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2015-10-27 05:16:42
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<donutPower>
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+n
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2015-10-27 07:46:12
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<addshore>
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ahhhhhhh
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2015-10-27 08:22:49
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<addshore>
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Thiemo_WMDE: Adrian_WMDE https://gyazo.com/c31dff5ea923aade08111ba2435c8b3a
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2015-10-27 08:23:08
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<addshore>
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or as an mp4 :P https://i.gyazo.com/c31dff5ea923aade08111ba2435c8b3a.mp4
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2015-10-27 09:56:51
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<aharoni>
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Hallo.
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2015-10-27 09:57:44
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<aharoni>
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This ContentTranslation commit failed Jenkins tests: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/248864/
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2015-10-27 09:57:51
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<aharoni>
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You won't believe what happened next.
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2015-10-27 09:58:13
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<aharoni>
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Seriously though, it probably has something to do with Wikidata dependencies.
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2015-10-27 09:58:41
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<aharoni>
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aude: ^
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2015-10-27 09:58:45
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<aharoni>
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jzerebecki: ^
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2015-10-27 09:59:07
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<aude>
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aharoni: looking
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2015-10-27 09:59:09
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<aude>
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*sighs*
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2015-10-27 10:01:35
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<aharoni>
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We don't use Scribunto directly, and I guess that if we define Wikidata as a dependency (and I'm pretty sure that we do), and Wikidata needs Scribunto, the Wikidata should define it as a dependency, not us.
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2015-10-27 10:05:28
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<aude>
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wikidata does for our tests
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2015-10-27 10:05:53
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<aude>
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anyway looking
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2015-10-27 10:08:36
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<aude>
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suspects something in core is causing breakage and incompatibility
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2015-10-27 10:09:48
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<aude>
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Adrian_WMDE: are you looking at the test failures?
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2015-10-27 10:09:55
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<aude>
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https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/249083/ ?
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2015-10-27 10:09:55
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<Adrian_WMDE>
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Yes I am
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2015-10-27 10:09:57
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<aude>
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ok
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2015-10-27 10:10:10
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<aude>
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if you get stuck or need help, then i can look (or at least review)
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2015-10-27 10:10:32
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<Adrian_WMDE>
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Cool, thanks :)
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2015-10-27 10:13:03
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<aharoni>
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hi hashar :)
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2015-10-27 10:22:38
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<hashar>
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aharoni: hello
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2015-10-27 10:33:26
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<aude>
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thanks Adrian_WMDE and Thiemo_WMDE :)
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2015-10-27 10:33:31
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<Adrian_WMDE>
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:)
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2015-10-27 10:33:57
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<aude>
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i'll have to make a new build once it's merged, so tests pass for aharoni
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2015-10-27 10:34:35
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<aharoni>
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aude: thanks
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2015-10-27 10:47:06
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<Adrian_WMDE>
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hashar: Can you help us/me fixing https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/view/BrowserTests/view/Wikidata/job/browsertests-Wikidata-PerformanceTests-linux-firefox-sauce/415/consoleFull?
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2015-10-27 10:47:16
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<Adrian_WMDE>
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It currently fails with `ERROR: Publisher 'Publish JUnit test result report' failed: No test report files were found. Configuration error?`
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2015-10-27 10:51:54
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<hashar>
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Adrian_WMDE: busy dealing with Jenkins right now , will look at it after
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2015-10-27 10:52:00
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<hashar>
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seems some Junit xml file is not generated
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2015-10-27 10:52:10
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<Adrian_WMDE>
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Cool, it's not urgent
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2015-10-27 10:59:10
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<Sturm_>
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Hello there, is there anyone here who can merge two itens in Wikidata? I was not able to do it by myself. :/
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2015-10-27 11:00:51
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<hashar>
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Adrian_WMDE: looked at https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/browsertests-Wikidata-PerformanceTests-linux-firefox-sauce/415/consoleFull
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2015-10-27 11:01:09
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<hashar>
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Adrian_WMDE: looks like no scenario matches the cucumber tags
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2015-10-27 11:01:14
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<hashar>
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cucumber is invoked with --tags @performance_testing --tags @firefox
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2015-10-27 11:02:16
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<hashar>
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and since no tests are run, no JUnit result is written and the Jenkins plugin that deal with JUnit files complains and fail the build
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2015-10-27 11:02:36
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<Adrian_WMDE>
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But features/performance_test.feature matches that, and the output looks to me like it is recognized
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2015-10-27 11:07:49
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<Adrian_WMDE>
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Also, I just ran `bundle exec cucumber --backtrace --color --verbose --format junit --out junit --tags @performance_testing --tags @firefox` locally and it ran
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2015-10-27 11:48:23
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<Tobi_WMDE_SW>
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Adrian_WMDE: Thiemo_WMDE: what's happening here? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/249083/
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2015-10-27 11:48:46
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<Tobi_WMDE_SW>
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also the current build seems to fail because of that. https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/249089/
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2015-10-27 11:48:58
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<Adrian_WMDE>
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Jenkins went readonly while merging that
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2015-10-27 11:49:08
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<Adrian_WMDE>
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Oh
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2015-10-27 11:49:11
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<Adrian_WMDE>
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maybe not
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2015-10-27 11:49:48
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<Adrian_WMDE>
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maybe yes
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2015-10-27 11:50:00
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<Adrian_WMDE>
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I don't think the build failure is related to the change
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2015-10-27 11:50:36
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<hashar>
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aharoni: the error you have for contentTranslation is actually the test Wikibase\Test\EditEntityTest::testAttemptSaveRateLimit failling
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2015-10-27 11:50:40
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<hashar>
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aharoni: for some reason
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2015-10-27 11:51:07
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<Adrian_WMDE>
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hashar: aharoni: I fixed that in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/249083/
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2015-10-27 11:51:33
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<hashar>
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Adrian_WMDE: how the hell are you so fast to fix up issues? :-}
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2015-10-27 11:52:29
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<Adrian_WMDE>
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It broke my changes
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2015-10-27 11:52:30
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<JohnFLewis>
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hashar: WMDE people are given magic on hiring to enhance their work
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2015-10-27 11:55:47
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<hashar>
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sounds good
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2015-10-27 11:55:55
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<hashar>
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I should attend some magic training class in Berlin
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2015-10-27 11:56:16
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<sjoerddebruin>
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:P
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2015-10-27 11:56:23
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<hashar>
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bah
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2015-10-27 11:56:26
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<hashar>
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still broken https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/mwext-testextension-zend/13351/ :/
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2015-10-27 11:58:16
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<Adrian_WMDE>
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mh
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2015-10-27 11:58:56
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<hashar>
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probably unrelated
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2015-10-27 11:59:01
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<Adrian_WMDE>
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but that's the old build, isn't it?
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2015-10-27 11:59:05
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<hashar>
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that spurts out: "UsageException: The wiki is currently in read-only mode"
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2015-10-27 12:00:31
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<hashar>
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I am not sure what is happening there :-/
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2015-10-27 12:02:16
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<Adrian_WMDE>
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Strange, https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/mwext-Wikibase-repo-tests-sqlite-hhvm/ consistently fails again
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2015-10-27 12:02:46
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<hashar>
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seems related to https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/249083/
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2015-10-27 12:03:10
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<Adrian_WMDE>
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I have an idea
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2015-10-27 12:03:56
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<hashar>
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maybe the mw-debug-cli.log attached to the build can help
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2015-10-27 12:04:08
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<Adrian_WMDE>
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I change the config, then clear the ObjectCache. In tearDown, config is reverted, but ObjectCache probably isn't
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2015-10-27 12:05:01
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<Adrian_WMDE>
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cleared, so the reverted setting is not applied
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2015-10-27 12:09:33
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<hashar>
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food time
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2015-10-27 12:35:23
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<sjoerddebruin>
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hi Amir1
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2015-10-27 12:35:34
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<Amir1>
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sjoerddebruin: hey :)
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2015-10-27 12:35:38
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<Amir1>
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how are you?
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2015-10-27 12:37:10
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<sjoerddebruin>
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Good, you?
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2015-10-27 12:38:18
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<Amir1>
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great, I have so many good news to share in wikidata's birthday :)
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2015-10-27 12:39:09
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<sjoerddebruin>
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Ah, you're coming? :)
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2015-10-27 12:39:40
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<Amir1>
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no, visa is a huge problem. I meant online
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2015-10-27 12:40:05
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<sjoerddebruin>
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Ahw. :(
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2015-10-27 12:40:21
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<Amir1>
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I hope people enjoy the party
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2015-10-27 13:15:21
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<Adrian_WMDE>
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aude: halp
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2015-10-27 13:15:28
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<Adrian_WMDE>
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https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/249104/
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2015-10-27 13:15:54
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<Adrian_WMDE>
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All API tests report readonly db
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2015-10-27 13:18:59
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<aude>
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Adrian_WMDE: wtf?!
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2015-10-27 13:19:05
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<aude>
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looks
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2015-10-27 13:19:28
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<Adrian_WMDE>
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I suppose I broke something
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2015-10-27 13:19:33
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<aude>
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idk
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2015-10-27 13:26:11
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<sjoerddebruin>
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It's time. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:LongPages
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2015-10-27 13:29:56
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<addshore>
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Adrian_WMDE: aude I think this has happened before? maybe?
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2015-10-27 13:30:46
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<Adrian_WMDE>
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I don't know
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2015-10-27 13:45:55
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<Adrian_WMDE>
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https://git.wikimedia.org/blobdiff/mediawiki%2Fcore.git/6343ba575f7d98423f5d56bca477f4a149ce4721/includes%2Fapi%2FApiMain.php
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2015-10-27 13:47:46
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<Adrian_WMDE>
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https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/249119/
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2015-10-27 16:03:05
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<sjoerddebruin>
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Hm, is it just me or is search borked?
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2015-10-27 16:03:44
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<sjoerddebruin>
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Hm, only happening with the thing I want to use... Probably a big list of results.
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2015-10-27 16:04:35
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<sjoerddebruin>
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Weird stuff.
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2015-10-27 16:05:46
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<aude>
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like how?
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2015-10-27 16:06:08
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<aude>
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hopes it's not borked but possible
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2015-10-27 16:06:22
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<sjoerddebruin>
|
Well, "Wereldbeker schaatsen" was taking a long time to load the suggestions.
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2015-10-27 16:06:47
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<aude>
|
ok, so it's the terms table....
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2015-10-27 16:06:55
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<aude>
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and not Special:Search?
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2015-10-27 16:07:04
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<sjoerddebruin>
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I don't know...
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2015-10-27 16:07:20
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<aude>
|
you mean when adding new statements, the suggestions there?
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2015-10-27 16:07:31
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<sjoerddebruin>
|
Yep, but also the search suggestions on the top right.
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2015-10-27 16:07:41
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<aude>
|
essentially same thing
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2015-10-27 16:07:56
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<aude>
|
seems fast to me, but might depend on what you are searching :/
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2015-10-27 16:08:19
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<sjoerddebruin>
|
"Wereldbeker schaatsen" with a Dutch language setting. :)
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2015-10-27 16:08:43
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<aude>
|
tries
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2015-10-27 16:09:12
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<sjoerddebruin>
|
It works after a few seconds, but that is longer than other searches.
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2015-10-27 16:09:17
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<aude>
|
seems a little slow
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2015-10-27 16:10:12
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<sjoerddebruin>
|
Weird thing is, I don't have it with other items.
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2015-10-27 16:10:34
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<aude>
|
might be something about the particular query
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2015-10-27 16:10:42
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<aude>
|
we would have to investigate
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2015-10-27 16:10:55
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<sjoerddebruin>
|
Phab ticket? :O
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2015-10-27 16:11:05
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<aude>
|
if you like
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2015-10-27 16:11:39
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<aude>
|
we know that the term (entity suggestions) should be more 'performant' but could be a specific issue here
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2015-10-27 16:15:41
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<sjoerddebruin>
|
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T116773
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2015-10-27 16:18:18
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<aude>
|
thanks
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2015-10-27 16:19:23
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<sjoerddebruin>
|
Also wondering if there is a task for the bug that it also shows the MediaWiki suggestion thing together with our replacement..
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2015-10-27 16:21:11
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<aude>
|
i know there is a task for that
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2015-10-27 16:21:36
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<aude>
|
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T48251 maybe?
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2015-10-27 16:22:11
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<sjoerddebruin>
|
Nope, sometimes they just show both up, with the mediawiki one above our one.
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2015-10-27 16:49:16
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<tobias47n9e_>
|
https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-terminator/ down?
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2015-10-27 16:50:53
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<Stryn>
|
yes
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2015-10-27 16:51:12
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<tobias47n9e_>
|
Stryn, Thanks.
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2015-10-27 16:51:41
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<Stryn>
|
all tools in wmflabs are currently down, to be exact
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2015-10-27 16:52:41
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<tobias47n9e_>
|
Stryn, Yeah for me too. Just when I need to test something :)
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2015-10-27 16:53:03
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<Stryn>
|
the same for me, I didn't use autolist for few days, and now when I need it, it won't open :)
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2015-10-27 16:55:05
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<Stryn>
|
tobias47n9e_: and now should work again
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2015-10-27 17:02:53
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<tobias47n9e_>
|
Has anyone tried creating a Distributed Game?
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2015-10-27 17:03:55
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<tobias47n9e_>
|
I would like to turn Wikidata-Terminator into a game, so people can add translations on their mobiles.
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2015-10-27 17:04:41
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<sjoerddebruin>
|
Hm, a tricky one for a game
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2015-10-27 17:09:46
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<tobias47n9e_>
|
sjoerddebruin, It could possibly suggest 1 Translation and the user can say yes/no
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2015-10-27 17:27:36
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<Reedy>
|
When can I kill the ORM stuff from core? ;)
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2015-10-27 17:29:28
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<DanielK_WMDE_>
|
Reedy: whenever you like, wikibase doesn't use it any more
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2015-10-27 17:29:47
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<Reedy>
|
I think we were waiting for you to branch and use that branch
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2015-10-27 17:30:04
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<Reedy>
|
ie don't want to remove it from core if older wikibase still in use/being used needs it
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2015-10-27 17:33:18
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<DanielK_WMDE_>
|
Reedy: ah, right. i think the version we have life doesn't need the orm stuff any more, but please double-check with aude and jzerebecki
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2015-10-27 17:33:52
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<DanielK_WMDE_>
|
branching and deplyoment was a bit chaotic lately
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2015-10-27 17:36:37
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<aude>
|
we probably branch next week, but not sure
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2015-10-27 17:39:55
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<Reedy>
|
I'll leave it C-2 for now then
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2015-10-27 17:40:23
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<aude>
|
ok
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2015-10-27 18:25:36
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<nikki>
|
how do you query sitelinks in sparql? can't seem to find any examples
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2015-10-27 18:51:29
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<Nemo_bis>
|
nikki: I asked the same in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Wikibase/Indexing/SPARQL_Query_Examples
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2015-10-27 18:53:01
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<nikki>
|
aww, no response yet
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2015-10-27 19:43:02
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<harej>
|
Is it safe for me to assume that associating pictures with Wikidata items, en masse, is inappropriate?
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2015-10-27 19:43:13
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<harej>
|
I understand that Wikidata items may have, like, one, or a few pictures associated with them.
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2015-10-27 19:43:27
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<harej>
|
But I am thinking of having all of Commons somehow associated with Wikidata items.
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2015-10-27 19:43:39
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<harej>
|
It would be *very* useful but might just bloat things.
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2015-10-27 19:43:46
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<hoo>
|
harej: I guess so... otherwise people would probably have started to slap the whole commons category onto that
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2015-10-27 19:44:00
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<harej>
|
What I could entertain is starting my own wiki where we do that :}
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2015-10-27 19:44:03
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<hoo>
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(and that would be awful)
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2015-10-27 19:44:21
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<harej>
|
And we can tie it into a game thing. "What is this?" "Why, that's a picture of Qxxxxx"
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2015-10-27 19:44:34
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<nikki>
|
I think it would make more sense for commons to have proper metadata which links to various wikidata items
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2015-10-27 19:44:46
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<harej>
|
And there *is* CommonsMetadata, but I don't know how it works.
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2015-10-27 19:45:22
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<hoo>
|
commonsmetadata is only making the wikitext on the image description machine readable
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2015-10-27 19:45:40
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<hoo>
|
(the thing we have now, not the planned Wikibase thing)
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2015-10-27 19:45:59
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<harej>
|
which is... silly :)
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2015-10-27 19:46:12
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<harej>
|
i've done it before and i'll do it again! let a million wikibase instances bloom!
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2015-10-27 19:48:47
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<harej>
|
so, would i be duplicating work or interfering with someone's project if i created a service of some kind that associated commons media with wikidata items?
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2015-10-27 19:49:12
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<harej>
|
(wikibase may not be the correct technology to use here, but *some* service.)
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2015-10-27 19:50:29
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<hoo>
|
We kind of already have taht... commons categories are already linked
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2015-10-27 19:50:42
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<hoo>
|
and they should itself link their subcategories
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2015-10-27 19:50:52
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<hoo>
|
would just need to read that tree recursively, I guess
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2015-10-27 20:06:01
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<harej>
|
how fleshed out are the commons category items?
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2015-10-27 20:11:47
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<hoo>
|
harej: I guess it's pretty good in parts... and then again you will hit big big messes
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2015-10-27 20:12:08
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<harej>
|
well, it's a wiki... [[m:eventualism|eventually]], we'll get it right
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2015-10-27 20:12:09
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<AsimovBot>
|
'[1]' 'https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/eventualism'
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2015-10-27 20:12:12
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<hoo>
|
Whenever I look through them for some reason, I'm disappointed
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2015-10-27 20:12:36
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<harej>
|
the question is if there's potential. Is there a property for "this category includes pictures of," or something?
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2015-10-27 20:12:45
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<nikki>
|
what do you mean by fleshed out? how many we link to, or how much extra data we have on those items?
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2015-10-27 20:12:56
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<harej>
|
presence of statements on these items
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2015-10-27 20:12:59
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<harej>
|
as opposed to just being bare items
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2015-10-27 20:13:07
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<harej>
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or items with just "instance of wikimedia category"
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2015-10-27 20:13:33
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<hoo>
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Hopefully main topic will be set
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2015-10-27 20:14:12
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<harej>
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main topic! that is suitable
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2015-10-27 20:14:25
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<harej>
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and are categories on commons discrete enough that they refer to specific things?
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2015-10-27 20:14:46
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<hoo>
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Sometimes
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2015-10-27 20:14:47
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<harej>
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i imagine if they're anything like (english) wikipedia, they get really into the weeds and really describe different intersections of things
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2015-10-27 20:15:11
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<harej>
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so you have [[Category:White dogs]], https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:White_dogs
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2015-10-27 20:15:12
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<AsimovBot>
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'[2]' 'https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Category:White_dogs'
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2015-10-27 20:15:18
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<nikki>
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they tend to be more detailed than ones in other wikis, since they're grouping files, not articles
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2015-10-27 20:15:21
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<harej>
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it should be "main topic: dog" with a qualifier
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2015-10-27 20:15:39
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<hoo>
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https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Number_56_on_buses
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2015-10-27 20:15:46
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<hoo>
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these are my favorite :D
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2015-10-27 20:15:49
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<harej>
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...the free time some of these people have
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2015-10-27 20:16:06
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<harej>
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so, category:number 56 on buses.
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2015-10-27 20:16:17
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<harej>
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...no wikidata item!?
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2015-10-27 20:16:34
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<harej>
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well, if it had one, it would be "main topic: bus". how would we qualify it in a way distinct to this category?
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2015-10-27 20:17:06
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<hoo>
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main topic: buses and 56
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2015-10-27 20:17:17
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<harej>
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so, just having both of them. makes sense.
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2015-10-27 20:17:19
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<nikki>
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category combines topic, I think
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2015-10-27 20:17:24
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<hoo>
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also that's the point where we in a perfect world probably rather want the data on commons directly
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2015-10-27 20:17:44
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<harej>
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inference via category membership and corresponding wikidata entry is good enough for now
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2015-10-27 20:18:36
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<hoo>
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Also you have https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P910 on the categories main topic
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2015-10-27 20:18:54
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<hoo>
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Guess that is better for finding "general pictures"
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2015-10-27 20:19:44
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<harej>
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"main category" is limiting though. to reuse the wonderful example of dogs, commons has many categories about dogs
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2015-10-27 20:20:15
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<nikki>
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ah, https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P971 is the one I was referring to
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2015-10-27 20:20:34
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<harej>
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ooooh
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2015-10-27 20:22:24
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<hoo>
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nikki: Oh, didn't know that
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2015-10-27 20:22:26
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<hoo>
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nice to see
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2015-10-27 20:24:03
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<harej>
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what about categories that are just about one topic? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P301 ?
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2015-10-27 20:25:03
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<nikki>
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probably, yeah
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2015-10-27 20:28:24
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<nikki>
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oh, I'm not sure whether a commons category with no other sitelinks is excluded by the notability policy or not (it's confusingly worded), if they are, that might be why quite a few don't have wikidata items yet
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2015-10-27 20:28:56
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<harej>
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aren't categories considered to be wikidata-notable?
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2015-10-27 20:29:35
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<nikki>
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yes, but there's a specific bit about commons categories on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability that I don't really understand
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2015-10-27 20:32:38
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<harej>
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"In addition, an item with only a sitelink to a category page in Wikimedia Commons is not allowed on main article items. However, it is allowed to link Wikimedia Commons categories with categories in other Wikimedia sites in items"
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2015-10-27 20:33:00
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<harej>
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what that says is:
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2015-10-27 20:33:27
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<harej>
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[[commons:Category:Dogs]] cannot be a sitelink on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q144
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2015-10-27 20:33:29
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<AsimovBot>
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'[3]' 'https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Dogs'
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2015-10-27 20:33:53
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<nikki>
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that doesn't make sense though, it's the page about what makes an item notable
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2015-10-27 20:34:19
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<harej>
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it also says that [[commons:Category:Dogs]] can be a sitelink on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6830323
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2015-10-27 20:34:19
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<AsimovBot>
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'[4]' 'https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Dogs'
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2015-10-27 20:34:26
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<harej>
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and it is
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2015-10-27 20:34:37
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<harej>
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technically speaking, my use case isn't addressed
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2015-10-27 20:35:23
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<harej>
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it says i can't have a commons category as a sitelink on an item; it doesn't say i can't have a sitelink *about* that item
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2015-10-27 20:35:25
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<harej>
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err
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2015-10-27 20:35:29
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<harej>
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an item about that sitelink
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2015-10-27 20:35:46
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<harej>
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in which case, it falls under the general rule, which allows this
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2015-10-27 20:37:53
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<harej>
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i guess the idea is that the category shouldn't be associated with an article item, but rather, a *gallery* (i.e. a main namespace commons page) should
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2015-10-27 20:37:56
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<nikki>
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I still find it confusingly written, because that interpretation doesn't make sense to me in the context of that page :/
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2015-10-27 20:39:34
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<harej>
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I interpret "main article items" to be items other than those that are instances of wikimedia categories (P31: Q4167836)
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2015-10-27 20:39:53
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<harej>
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or are otherwise "meta"
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2015-10-27 20:41:28
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<nikki>
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the point I'm making is that the rest of the page is about which items are notable
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2015-10-27 20:42:52
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<nikki>
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and where you should add commons links has nothing to do with whether the categories are notable or not
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2015-10-27 20:51:08
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<harej>
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right; the other caveats phrase things in terms of "only allowed if"
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2015-10-27 20:51:18
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<harej>
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whereas the caveat for commons is more complex
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2015-10-27 20:51:30
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<nikki>
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another reading of it would be: normally, a sitelink makes something notable, but a sitelink to a commons category doesn't make it notable, it's only notable if it's being used to link to other categories
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2015-10-27 20:52:13
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<nikki>
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and if a commons category is always notable, then the main topic is also notable, since you can link to it using the properties we mentioned earlier to describe the category
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2015-10-27 20:52:22
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<nikki>
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which comes back to what I was saying, it's confusing :)
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2015-10-27 20:53:05
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<nikki>
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personally I don't have an issue with commons categories having items, but I wouldn't be surprised if other people have interpreted it to mean they're not notable
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2015-10-27 20:53:31
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<harej>
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"In addition, an item with only a sitelink to a category page in Wikimedia Commons is not allowed on main article items." should probably not be included in the notability policy then, since it describes an editorial practice, rather than a notability threshold.
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2015-10-27 21:19:25
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<harej>
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https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Dogs_by_colour << would this be considered a combination category?
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2015-10-27 21:21:44
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<harej>
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whereas "white dogs" combined "dog" and "white", this is more a topic being subdivided...
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