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2019-03-13 00:17:57 <lucaswerkmeister> now at https://discourse-mediawiki.wmflabs.org/t/edit-conflicts-by-tool-not-detected/1223
2019-03-13 09:14:06 <snitch> [[Tech]]; Karinakyrylivna; /* Unblock my account please (Karinakyrylivna) */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=18931589&oldid=18926903&rcid=13297940
2019-03-13 11:35:20 <snitch> [[Tech]]; MarcoAurelio; /* Not all pages tagged with {{tl|delete}} appear in Category:Deleteme */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=18931727&oldid=18931589&rcid=13298269
2019-03-13 11:37:26 <snitch> [[Tech]]; MarcoAurelio; /* Unblock my account please (Karinakyrylivna) */ off topic for this page - moved to https://meta.wikimedia.org/?oldid=18931731; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=18931733&oldid=18931727&rcid=13298277
2019-03-13 15:01:08 <wm-bot> Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 60 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @nuria & @Thiemo_WMDE - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
2019-03-13 15:31:38 <FR30799386> Is there a way to check my code with the tests that jenkins-bot does before uploading it ?
2019-03-13 15:32:08 <FR30799386> Like those tab-space errors for javascript ?
2019-03-13 15:42:18 <Lucas_WMDE> FR30799386: in general yes, but the “how” depends on what repository you’re working with AFAIK
2019-03-13 15:43:10 <Lucas_WMDE> in MediaWiki core it would be `grunt lint`, I believe
2019-03-13 15:43:29 <FR30799386> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage/+/495951
2019-03-13 15:44:01 <FR30799386> I fixed it up this time by following the comments
2019-03-13 15:44:55 <Lucas_WMDE> it looks like it would be `grunt lint` there as well (after `npm install`)
2019-03-13 15:45:05 <Lucas_WMDE> you can see the registered tasks in Gruntfile.js
2019-03-13 15:49:47 <FR30799386> Lucas_WMDE : There seem to be 890 issues of something to do with unix linebreaks
2019-03-13 15:50:37 <wm-bot> Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 10 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @nuria & @Thiemo_WMDE - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
2019-03-13 15:50:43 <FR30799386> Nothing was reported about that during jenkins-bot's runs ?
2019-03-13 15:51:07 <Lucas_WMDE> hm, that’s odd
2019-03-13 15:51:52 <Lucas_WMDE> oh, if you’re on Windows, your git might be configured so that the files only have \r\n in your repository, but in the commit they have \n
2019-03-13 15:51:55 <Lucas_WMDE> then CI wouldn’t see those errors
2019-03-13 15:52:45 <FR30799386> Is there any way to suppress those errors ?
2019-03-13 15:55:44 <FR30799386> Like so that I can see the actual error ?
2019-03-13 15:56:19 <FR30799386> (The ones which jenkin's bot will raise)
2019-03-13 15:56:38 <Lucas_WMDE> not sure
2019-03-13 15:58:17 <Lucas_WMDE> try adding a line "linebreak-style": "off" to .eslintrc.json
2019-03-13 15:58:24 <Lucas_WMDE> in the "rules" block
2019-03-13 15:58:38 <Lucas_WMDE> (and add a trailing comma to the previous line, so it’s still valid JSON)
2019-03-13 16:00:15 <nuria> hola
2019-03-13 16:00:33 <revansx[m]> sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/xsKvZhuwGLcGVWloqsEzrGNg >
2019-03-13 16:02:27 <FR30799386> Lucas_WMDE: That works....
2019-03-13 16:03:18 <nuria> hello Thiemo_WMDE
2019-03-13 16:06:21 <FR30799386> Who should I add as reviewer for this https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/FlaggedRevs/+/495438
2019-03-13 16:06:35 <FR30799386> So that it gets reviewed ?
2019-03-13 16:07:02 <Thiemo_WMDE> nuria: Hi!
2019-03-13 16:07:43 <Thiemo_WMDE> I guess we should do the TAIM introduction.
2019-03-13 16:07:46 <mainframe98> FR30799386: According to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developers/Maintainers, the Growth team and Aaron Schulz
2019-03-13 16:08:26 <Thiemo_WMDE> Welcome to the Technical Advice IRC Meeting! for the next 60 minutes the amazing @nuria and myself are all yours!
2019-03-13 16:08:55 <RhinosF1> Hello, I have a few questions, One how could an IRC Bot be deployed to monitor specific pages and logs on en-wiki. I know there's hat_collector but it's tempromental and I know it shouldn't affect us but will WMF be doing anything about porn age verification in the UK.
2019-03-13 16:09:13 <RhinosF1> ^^ ShakespeareFan00 / L235
2019-03-13 16:10:33 <RhinosF1> Also, is there a place to request SQL for Quarry is written?
2019-03-13 16:11:14 <nuria> RhinosF1: to your second question
2019-03-13 16:11:32 <nuria> RhinosF1: you mean to ask for help about a wikimedia quarry query?
2019-03-13 16:11:58 <nuria> RhinosF1: on .. how to get a piece of info from db?
2019-03-13 16:12:14 <Thiemo_WMDE> FR30799386: I added a few people and left a comment on the patch.
2019-03-13 16:12:45 <RhinosF1> Nuria - Yes, I mean to ask for a WikiMedia quarry query to be created.
2019-03-13 16:13:13 <Krenair> you want someone to write your SQL for you? :)
2019-03-13 16:13:22 <nuria> RhinosF1: you can create the query yourself , anyone has permits to do that , is the question about permits or rather how to write the query?
2019-03-13 16:13:59 <RhinosF1> Nuria - I mean how to write as I'm not experienced in SQL.
2019-03-13 16:14:04 <FR30799386> Thiemo_WMDE: Okay Great :-)
2019-03-13 16:15:04 <nuria> RhinosF1: I see, you can request help on analytics@ e-mail list (https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics) on I think (Krenair correct me if I am wrong #wikimedia-cloud)
2019-03-13 16:15:16 <nuria> RhinosF1: what information are you looking for ?
2019-03-13 16:15:32 <Krenair> well
2019-03-13 16:15:39 <Krenair> you could ask in -cloud I guess
2019-03-13 16:15:45 <Krenair> it might not strictly be the right place for it but
2019-03-13 16:15:50 <RhinosF1> Some stats on users and activity nuria
2019-03-13 16:16:05 <Krenair> maybe someone will feel particularly extra helpful and have time to help with it
2019-03-13 16:16:23 <Krenair> analytics or here in -tech is likely better suited
2019-03-13 16:16:26 <nuria> RhinosF1: for what kind of users ? a edit-a-thon or similar ?
2019-03-13 16:18:09 <RhinosF1> Nuria - mainly looking at the level of accounts that read only and how accurate the active users figure is. I did one query last night and it's interested me.
2019-03-13 16:19:15 <nuria> RhinosF1: can you describe that a bit more ? quarry has access only to editing data (editors, pages edited, deleted) but not users just reading wikipedia
2019-03-13 16:19:59 <nuria> RhinosF1: "looking at the level of accounts that read only "-> can you give an example of this so I can see if that data is elsewhere?
2019-03-13 16:20:46 <revansx[m]> sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/xiitQzphUYggZPEBOvzPwKev >
2019-03-13 16:23:16 <nuria> ping RhinosF1
2019-03-13 16:23:20 <RhinosF1> Nuria - The first query I did brought back a number of users that are human, confirmed and have edited recently. I then intend to look into how many users have Edited in 30 days since creating accounts but only once. I also want to look at how many editors create accounts but never reach 4 days 10 edits and also how many are logged as creating accounts but never edit.
2019-03-13 16:23:48 <Thiemo_WMDE> revansx[m]: To recap, the question is about the {{#ask:…}} feature of SemanticMediaWiki along with a template that uses comma-separated values, e.g. {{MyTemplate|has Users=A, B}}.
2019-03-13 16:24:10 <nuria> RhinosF1: I see, and you want to know that for all projects ?
2019-03-13 16:25:15 <RhinosF1> Just enwiki
2019-03-13 16:25:52 <Thiemo_WMDE> revansx[m]: Personally, I'm not very familiar with SMW. https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Search_operators mentions a "not like" operator, but the help page is broken. It should be !~ but the ~ fall out of the formatting.
2019-03-13 16:26:28 <nuria> RhinosF1: i see, ok, there was a recent research project on this regard that looked at similar data for two samller wikis: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Growth/Analytics_updates/EditorJourney_initial_report
2019-03-13 16:26:34 <Thiemo_WMDE> revansx[m]: Can you try {{#ask: [[has Users::!~*User:Jane*]] }}
2019-03-13 16:28:12 <Thiemo_WMDE> RhinosF1: I'm curious. What is this "UK porn age verification" you mentioned, and how is it relevant for WMF?
2019-03-13 16:28:22 <nuria> RhinosF1: Wrinting queries for that for enwiki can be done but I think you are probably better off consulting reserach already done on that regard, see query:
2019-03-13 16:28:31 <Thiemo_WMDE> After all, we don#t host porn sites, or do we?
2019-03-13 16:28:34 <nuria> RhinosF1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Rolling_surviving_new_active_editor (click on sql panel)
2019-03-13 16:28:38 <revansx[m]> Thiemo_WMDE, yes I tried that and it does not work either
2019-03-13 16:29:07 <nuria> RhinosF1: see numbers of newly register editors in enwiki last month: https://stats.wikimedia.org/v2/#/en.wikipedia.org/contributing/new-registered-users/normal|bar|1-Month|~total
2019-03-13 16:29:35 <RhinosF1> The principal things is the UK intends to impose age verification requirements on explicit images. (Although WMF wikis should be exempt)
2019-03-13 16:31:06 <Thiemo_WMDE> revansx[m]: That's my best guess. If this doesn't work I suggest to ask at https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Getting_support
2019-03-13 16:32:27 <Thiemo_WMDE> RhinosF1: That would be something the legal team needs to look at. Personally I hope they can't force an encyclopedia to censor educational illustrations. :-(
2019-03-13 16:33:02 <RhinosF1> Thiemo_WMDE - looking at the regulation we should be exempt.
2019-03-13 16:33:41 <Thiemo_WMDE> Certainly not a technical discussion and not something I can help with. ;-)
2019-03-13 16:33:46 <RhinosF1> What about IRC bots? Is there a way to monitor set pages and logs via IRC?
2019-03-13 16:34:20 <nuria> RhinosF1: "set pages?" (not sure of what those are but maybe Thiemo_WMDE knows..
2019-03-13 16:34:22 <revansx[m]> Thiemo_WMDE, ok. thanks!
2019-03-13 16:34:52 <revansx[m]> Thiemo_WMDE do you know if there is a SMW channel like this one?
2019-03-13 16:35:21 <Thiemo_WMDE> RhinosF1: I know it's possible to monitor edits via IRC, and even do instant rollbacks via commands. But I don't know who is running these IRC channels/bots.
2019-03-13 16:35:38 <RhinosF1> Set pages - pages that are picked by us rather than all
2019-03-13 16:36:03 <Thiemo_WMDE> https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Semantic_MediaWiki_chatroom
2019-03-13 16:36:32 <RhinosF1> L235 / Revi and JD|Cloud run hat_collector but it's not been working recently. I'm not sure about logs specifically maunal permissions changes.
2019-03-13 16:38:37 <Thiemo_WMDE> RhinosF1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IRC might contain something you can use.
2019-03-13 16:39:24 <nuria> RhinosF1: and you want to monitor what kind of thing, edits?
2019-03-13 16:39:56 <nuria> RhinosF1: cause yeas, it is very possible and easy, you consume a feed of all edits and "do something" once a page of interest shows up
2019-03-13 16:40:05 <nuria> RhinosF1: doable from a python script
2019-03-13 16:40:10 <Thiemo_WMDE> RhinosF1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Countervandalism_Network
2019-03-13 16:40:35 <nuria> RhinosF1: but to Thiemo_WMDE 's point that is already done by many bot/tools
2019-03-13 16:40:41 <nuria> RhinosF1: as of now
2019-03-13 16:43:42 <RhinosF1> Nuria - Edits to RfA/B, Arbcom and BRfA pages + manual permissions changes. I've not found one for permissions changes and the edit bots that I use is down.
2019-03-13 16:44:16 <RhinosF1> Pinging maintainer of that bot : revi / L235 / JD|Cloud
2019-03-13 16:45:48 <nuria> RhinosF1: i am not sure what "permission changes" are but it is possible to write a bot to see changes to those pages yes, you can consume one of the eventstreams for edits , an example of how to do that using javascript is here: https://codepen.io/Krinkle/pen/BwEKgW?editors=1010
2019-03-13 16:47:19 <RhinosF1> Nuria - Permission change - a change to a users permissions
2019-03-13 16:49:04 <nuria> RhinosF1: if that is an edit on a page (i doubt it) you can monitor it just like any kind of edit is monitored
2019-03-13 16:50:07 <RhinosF1> No it's a logged action nuria
2019-03-13 16:50:30 <nuria> RhinosF1: then, i doubt you can monitor it with a bot
2019-03-13 16:52:12 <RhinosF1> Thanks anyway nuria - I'll try to see if the edits one can be fixed first then ask other IRC bot ops.
2019-03-13 16:52:52 <jem> Hola, si hay tiempo y como hoy se acepta el español :), tenía una duda sobre MediaWiki:Titleblacklist, si es que entra en el ámbito...
2019-03-13 16:53:20 <Thiemo_WMDE> I can ask Google to translate this question. ;-)
2019-03-13 16:53:42 <Gaelan> Anyone know about where PagePreview gets its images? There was a (transcluded) vandal image that's been removed but still appears in previews of [[Syria missile strikes (September 2018)]].
2019-03-13 16:53:52 <Thiemo_WMDE> Titleblacklist is a relatively trivial thing. What is the question?
2019-03-13 16:54:16 <Thiemo_WMDE> Gaelan: Yes, I know. :-) This sounds like a caching issue.
2019-03-13 16:54:37 <jem> Thiemo_WMDE: It should be trivial for me also, but it seems it isn't working
2019-03-13 16:54:38 <RhinosF1> One more thing - Can you tell when T211490 goes live?
2019-03-13 16:54:38 <stashbot> T211490: iPad Pro/iOS 12.1: scrolling is broken when editing mobile site in source mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T211490
2019-03-13 16:54:46 <Gaelan> Figured. Can the cache get cleared somehow?
2019-03-13 16:55:05 <jem> The problem is: We have the line " .*Carla.*Medina.* <autoconfirmed> <errmsg=Vandalismo reiterado>"
2019-03-13 16:55:23 <nuria> Gaelan: images for page previews are from a service deployed that synthesizes page content, service is deployed on WMF stack
2019-03-13 16:55:28 <jem> But titles like " El Discusión de Vicente Fernández, Carla Medina Amiga de Alejandro Fernández, siendo en Sismo en México" and many more are being created without problems
2019-03-13 16:55:44 <jem> By IP
2019-03-13 16:56:21 <nuria> Gaelan: it is still being cached despite page having nbeen edited?
2019-03-13 16:56:25 <nuria> *been
2019-03-13 16:56:58 <Thiemo_WMDE> As of now, the page does not have any image: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=query&format=json&prop=pageimages&titles=Syria%20missile%20strikes%20(September%202018)
2019-03-13 16:57:03 <jem> (In es.wikipedia, to complete the information)
2019-03-13 16:57:09 <nuria> Gaelan: i think we need to purge page https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Purge
2019-03-13 16:57:50 <nuria> Gaelan: once purged image should disappear
2019-03-13 16:58:29 <Gaelan> The cleanup edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Campaignbox_Idlib_demilitarization_and_frozen_conflict&diff=next&oldid=886733043&diffmode=source) happened several days ago, but hovering over the link to [[Syria missile strikes (September 2018)]] from [[Category:21st-century aircraft shootdown incidents]] still appears. I've purged both Syria missile strikes (September 2018) and the category—do I need to purge the
2019-03-13 16:58:30 <Gaelan> templates in the middle too?
2019-03-13 16:59:09 <Thiemo_WMDE> The endpoint also does not return an image any more: https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/#!/Page_content/get_page_summary_title
2019-03-13 16:59:13 <Thiemo_WMDE> Where does it appear?
2019-03-13 16:59:34 <nuria> Gaelan: i do not think so pages are cached fully on varnish and teh purge takes effect (if not imediately but in a few minutes) in varnish too
2019-03-13 16:59:45 <Gaelan> Hovering over the link to Syria missile strikes… from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:21st-century_aircraft_shootdown_incidents
2019-03-13 17:00:02 <Gaelan> (In an incognito tab, because my logged-in account uses navpopups instead)
2019-03-13 17:01:30 <nuria> Gaelan: howering on that page or in any page that links to that one?
2019-03-13 17:02:50 <Gaelan> overing over the link to the Syria page, on some pages that link to it
2019-03-13 17:02:56 <jem> Hi?
2019-03-13 17:03:11 <Gaelan> I've been testing on the category i linked, just checked and at least one other link seems fine
2019-03-13 17:03:18 <Thiemo_WMDE> jem: Can you please provide a link to one of the pages that was created? I suspect hidden characters that make the regular expression not match.
2019-03-13 17:03:32 <jem> Ok, Thiemo_WMDE
2019-03-13 17:03:46 <jem> https://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=El_Discusi%C3%B3n_de_Vicente_Fern%C3%A1ndez,_Carla_Medina_Amiga_de_Alejandro_Fern%C3%A1ndez,_siendo_en_Sismo_en_M%C3%A9xico&action=edit&redlink=1
2019-03-13 17:03:48 <snitch> [[Tech]]; L2212; /* Changing the helppage link */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=18932061&oldid=18931733&rcid=13299039
2019-03-13 17:03:49 <nuria> jem: no entindo bien su pregunta, hay paginas con un cierto titulo que no puede crear porque han sido borradas antes?
2019-03-13 17:04:05 <Thiemo_WMDE> Gaelan: When I hover the link there is no image. I believe this is client-side caching in your browser.
2019-03-13 17:04:12 <jem> nuria: No, el problema es que la lista negra debería impedir su creación y no lo está haciendo
2019-03-13 17:04:12 <Gaelan> ugh
2019-03-13 17:04:25 <jem> Y me parece que no es por culpa de caracteres especiales, al menos en el enlace no los veo
2019-03-13 17:04:28 <nuria> jem: i see, I think Thiemo_WMDE can help you there better than me
2019-03-13 17:04:34 <jem> Ok then
2019-03-13 17:04:35 <Thiemo_WMDE> The Popups extension intentionally does this to reduce load on the endpoint that provides the text snippets and thumbnails. The stuff is cached for a while. I can look up for how long if it helps.
2019-03-13 17:04:47 <nuria> Gaelan: f5 and see if it still appears or open dev tools
2019-03-13 17:05:07 <RhinosF1> Not sure if you missed it - when will T211490 go live?
2019-03-13 17:05:08 <stashbot> T211490: iPad Pro/iOS 12.1: scrolling is broken when editing mobile site in source mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T211490
2019-03-13 17:05:30 <Gaelan> I gtg. Emptying caches in safari seems to do nothing, but it doesn't show up in chrome. huh
2019-03-13 17:07:15 <Thiemo_WMDE> jem: I think the format is wrong. <autoconfirmed> <errmsg=Vandalismo reiterado> should probably be <autoconfirmed|errmsg=Vandalismo reiterado>
2019-03-13 17:07:46 <Thiemo_WMDE> RhinosF1: When a patch is merged it should go live with the next "train", once a week.
2019-03-13 17:08:19 <Thiemo_WMDE> https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Heterogeneous_deployment/Train_deploys
2019-03-13 17:08:34 <Thiemo_WMDE> https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments
2019-03-13 17:08:49 <RhinosF1> Patch was merged according to gerritbot if I read correctly.
2019-03-13 17:09:13 <Thiemo_WMDE> Yes.
2019-03-13 17:09:24 <nuria> RhinosF1: yes, sorry do not know if there is anything holding up teh deployment of that extension, best is to ping people on ticket
2019-03-13 17:09:41 <nuria> ciaoooo everyone
2019-03-13 17:10:52 <jem> Thiemo_WMDE: Yes, that could be it... there are more lines like that and that confused me
2019-03-13 17:10:58 <Thiemo_WMDE> I need to go as well. Did we missed somebody entirely, or does everyone at least have one link or idea to continue working with? ;-)
2019-03-13 17:11:10 <jem> Thanks, I'll fix it and I'll keep watching
2019-03-13 17:32:57 <snitch> [[Tech]]; Stryn; /* Changing the helppage link */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=18932090&oldid=18932061&rcid=13299080
2019-03-13 20:16:15 <Operator873> Are there known problems serverside especially on Simple English Wikipedia?
2019-03-13 20:16:21 <Operator873> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/UnuLQuLZ/image.png
2019-03-13 20:18:20 <RhinosF1> Not for me Opeartor873 - see https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:RhinosF1/sandbox&oldid=6471915
2019-03-13 20:20:30 <Operator873> yeah I just found that ticket
2019-03-13 20:20:44 <Operator873> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T218252
2019-03-13 20:22:45 <McJill> Kb03: ^^
2019-03-13 20:22:59 <Kb03> Thanks McJill
2019-03-13 20:29:43 <snitch> [[Tech]]; Billinghurst; /* Not all pages tagged with {{tl|delete}} appear in Category:Deleteme */ note; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=18932255&oldid=18932090&rcid=13299442
2019-03-13 20:59:34 <snitch> [[Tech]]; Billinghurst; /* Not all pages tagged with {{tl|delete}} appear in Category:Deleteme */ general note about the weirdness and blackmagic of Translations; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=18932300&oldid=18932255&rcid=13299584
2019-03-13 21:18:01 <snitch> [[Tech]]; L2212; /* Changing the helppage link */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=18932324&oldid=18932300&rcid=13299617
2019-03-13 21:18:25 <snitch> [[Tech]]; L2212; /* Changing the helppage link */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=18932327&oldid=18932324&rcid=13299620
2019-03-13 21:18:44 <snitch> [[Tech]]; L2212; /* Changing the helppage link */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=18932329&oldid=18932327&rcid=13299622

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