2018-04-18 00:53:06
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<Platonides>
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HunterH: /3
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2018-04-18 00:53:11
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<Platonides>
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sorry
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2018-04-18 12:36:54
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<jeblad>
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There are a complaint about Chrome reporting an outdated certificate for https
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2018-04-18 12:38:12
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<jeblad>
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It is said to be from WebProxy, and valid from 21.12.2017 until 25.04.2018
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2018-04-18 12:39:18
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<jeblad>
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When I'm checking I find a certificate from DigiCert Inc. and it should be valid until sometimes in 2019
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2018-04-18 12:51:52
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<volans>
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jeblad: for which domain?
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2018-04-18 13:06:47
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<jeblad>
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Question at https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tinget#Wikipedia_og_Chrome so I assume it is the same domain
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2018-04-18 13:06:58
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<jeblad>
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I can't reproduce this
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2018-04-18 13:08:09
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<jeblad>
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Only reason for this would be a really old browser, but the reporter hasn't said anything about version except "chrome"
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2018-04-18 13:29:55
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<volans>
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jeblad: thanks for the link, I'm looking, do you know if who reported it is connecting from an office or public WiFi?
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2018-04-18 13:38:44
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<jeblad>
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I have no idea
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2018-04-18 13:39:25
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<jeblad>
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The reporter says the browser suddenly started to let him in, so I assume the browser has autoupdated
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2018-04-18 13:41:38
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<jeblad>
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Wild guess; this is a newly installed machine that has an old browser, or he has reused an old download to install the browser
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2018-04-18 13:42:41
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<volans>
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jeblad: From the looks of it, this seems a case of attempted Man-In-The-Middle by the owner of the network that the user is using
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2018-04-18 13:51:05
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<jeblad>
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Nah, old certificateā€¦
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2018-04-18 13:57:26
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<volans>
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jeblad: our certificates are not issued by WebProxy, you can see our certificate history here: https://crt.sh/?q=wikipedia.org
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2018-04-18 14:00:59
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<volans>
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it could be a proxy in a corporate-owned network for example
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2018-04-18 15:00:48
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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\o/
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2018-04-18 15:00:53
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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Hello hello!
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2018-04-18 15:01:15
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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Welcome to todays episode of the technical advice IRC meeting!
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2018-04-18 15:01:46
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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This time starring jakob_WMDE and me!
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2018-04-18 15:02:02
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<jakob_WMDE>
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Helloo!
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2018-04-18 15:03:07
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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So we already have two topics on the agenda ... mainframe98 just left ... :-/
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2018-04-18 15:03:29
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<mainframe98_>
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I'm still here, but my connection failed, and I apparently reconnected under a different nick?
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2018-04-18 15:03:29
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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But I see Bamyers99 is here
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2018-04-18 15:03:37
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<mainframe98_>
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Dunno why
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2018-04-18 15:03:40
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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ahh yeah :-)
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2018-04-18 15:03:55
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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internet strangeness
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2018-04-18 15:05:08
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<mainframe98_>
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Well, anyway. My question that I wanted to ask had to do with OOUI HTMLForm anti frustration, but that problem seems to have solved itself already.
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2018-04-18 15:05:08
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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So since you now responded first mainframe98_ ... whats the matter with OOUI? :-)
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2018-04-18 15:05:17
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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oh perfect :-D
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2018-04-18 15:05:46
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<mainframe98_>
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I was wondering if OOUI would auto submit when one presses the enter button, because that is undesirable for my form.
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2018-04-18 15:06:09
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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and did it? :-)
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2018-04-18 15:07:28
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<mainframe98_>
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But apparently, this only occurs in certain cases. I'll need to do a quick check, but it appears that when there is no textarea in the form descriptor, the enter key is also used to submit the form
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2018-04-18 15:08:08
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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Yeah, that's what I would have guessed. And in most cases this is something you want to happen.
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2018-04-18 15:08:29
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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You can override that behavior if wanted though.
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2018-04-18 15:09:17
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<mainframe98_>
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How would I do that? Currently depending on the form I have there's either submit on enter press, or only on the button press. I can't nail down why that is though.
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2018-04-18 15:09:51
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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So normally it depends not on the kind of form but in the kind if element where your focus is in.
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2018-04-18 15:10:05
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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So a form with a normal text input field and a textarea
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2018-04-18 15:10:19
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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would submit when your focus is in the input field with enter
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2018-04-18 15:10:31
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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but not when you are currently in the textarea
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2018-04-18 15:11:07
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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so this is something you could set per form element
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2018-04-18 15:12:38
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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atm I am not entirely sure how to manipulate that the OOUI way but I could have a look
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2018-04-18 15:14:48
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<mainframe98_>
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That explains why the submit only behaves like that on input fields. The strange thing is that in a large form (probably pushes HTMLForm to its limits itself) the submit on enter does not seem to work.
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2018-04-18 15:16:27
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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mainframe98_: that sounds strange ... so lets say you have a form with 50 input fields then the submit with Enter does not work when one of them is focused?
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2018-04-18 15:18:55
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<mainframe98_>
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My last count was just shy of 400 input fields of all kinds, but yes, that's correct
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2018-04-18 15:21:39
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<mainframe98_>
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Although, it appears that this doesn't occur when JavaScript is disabled, so that suggests some OOUI JS changes the behaviour of the input fields.
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2018-04-18 15:32:23
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<Bamyers99>
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I am not familiar with the protocol here, can I ask my question now?
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2018-04-18 15:32:42
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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Bamyers99: sure :-)
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2018-04-18 15:33:08
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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mainframe98_: yeah maybe with so many fields somethings goes wrong there
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2018-04-18 15:33:32
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<Bamyers99>
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It is regarding the qacct command line tool on ToolForge
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2018-04-18 15:33:59
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<Bamyers99>
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It take a very long time to get results for a job that was run in the past day or so.
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2018-04-18 15:34:50
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<mainframe98_>
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CFisch_WMDE: I'll look into this further on a later time. Currently, only my "test" form submits on enter press, and not the actual form, so the priority isn't that high anymore. Regardless, thank you.
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2018-04-18 15:35:16
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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mainframe98_: okay you're welcome
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2018-04-18 15:35:39
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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Bamyers99: hmm sounds like something the for the could guys
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2018-04-18 15:36:26
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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so you could try to ask that question in #wikimedia-cloud
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2018-04-18 15:37:18
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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the guys there are mostly involved with the whole infrastructure around tools
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2018-04-18 15:37:31
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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could be that they have an idea on the topic
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2018-04-18 15:39:13
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<Bamyers99>
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ok, thanks
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2018-04-18 15:39:13
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<jakob_WMDE>
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I think Bryan (bd808 on IRC) specifically can probably help or point you to someone
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2018-04-18 15:39:47
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<jakob_WMDE>
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I have no clue about the particular problem either, unfortunately :/
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2018-04-18 15:43:27
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<jakob_WMDE>
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Does anyone else have a question? :)
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2018-04-18 15:43:47
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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:-)
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2018-04-18 15:44:22
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<mainframe98_>
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Oh, I forgot to ask my second question: I've noticed that $wgSiteSupportPage is not used in MediaWiki anywhere in the code, nor in any extension.
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2018-04-18 15:44:36
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<mainframe98_>
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How would one go ask for deprecation of this global?
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2018-04-18 15:45:12
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<Reedy>
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If it's not used, it's already deprecated
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2018-04-18 15:45:15
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<Reedy>
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It just needs removing
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2018-04-18 15:45:18
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<mainframe98_>
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See https://codesearch.wmflabs.org/search/?q=wgSiteSupportPage&i=nope&files=&repos=
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2018-04-18 15:45:23
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<Reedy>
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Or, it could be a bug
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2018-04-18 15:45:30
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<Reedy>
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FYI, you need to search without the wg too
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2018-04-18 15:46:46
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<mainframe98_>
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It's not officially deprecated according to DefaultSettings.php. Search without wg (I was lazy) shows the same results
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2018-04-18 15:48:09
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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hmm I don't really know how the official process would be, but I guess best practice is to create a Phab ticket "Remove deprecated ...."
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2018-04-18 15:48:30
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<mainframe98_>
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An interesting tidbit is that it's defined in wmf-config for default and dewiki. Both links redirect to donatewiki, so those values are outdated as well.
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2018-04-18 15:48:40
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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and the one could add patches removing it everywhere
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2018-04-18 15:48:46
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<Reedy>
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If it's not used in code, there's really no point deprecating it
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2018-04-18 15:48:56
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<Reedy>
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Just like CFisch_WMDE says, clean up wmf-config etc
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2018-04-18 15:50:08
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<mainframe98_>
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I'll just create a task for it then. Thank you both.
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2018-04-18 15:55:37
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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So anyone else? Still 5 minutes left ;-)
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2018-04-18 16:02:20
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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Ok that's it for today, see you next time! o/
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2018-04-18 16:02:44
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<jakob_WMDE>
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Thanks everyone!
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2018-04-18 16:02:51
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<mainframe98_>
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Until next time! o/
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2018-04-18 16:08:26
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<Stryn>
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what's wrong with those sorting headers here: https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luokka:Nokian_matkapuhelimet ? I mean "š’‘–" character should not be there
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