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2018-04-18 00:53:06 <Platonides> HunterH: /3
2018-04-18 00:53:11 <Platonides> sorry
2018-04-18 12:36:54 <jeblad> There are a complaint about Chrome reporting an outdated certificate for https
2018-04-18 12:38:12 <jeblad> It is said to be from WebProxy, and valid from 21.12.2017 until 25.04.2018
2018-04-18 12:39:18 <jeblad> When I'm checking I find a certificate from DigiCert Inc. and it should be valid until sometimes in 2019
2018-04-18 12:51:52 <volans> jeblad: for which domain?
2018-04-18 13:06:47 <jeblad> Question at https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tinget#Wikipedia_og_Chrome so I assume it is the same domain
2018-04-18 13:06:58 <jeblad> I can't reproduce this
2018-04-18 13:08:09 <jeblad> Only reason for this would be a really old browser, but the reporter hasn't said anything about version except "chrome"
2018-04-18 13:29:55 <volans> jeblad: thanks for the link, I'm looking, do you know if who reported it is connecting from an office or public WiFi?
2018-04-18 13:38:44 <jeblad> I have no idea
2018-04-18 13:39:25 <jeblad> The reporter says the browser suddenly started to let him in, so I assume the browser has autoupdated
2018-04-18 13:41:38 <jeblad> Wild guess; this is a newly installed machine that has an old browser, or he has reused an old download to install the browser
2018-04-18 13:42:41 <volans> jeblad: From the looks of it, this seems a case of attempted Man-In-The-Middle by the owner of the network that the user is using
2018-04-18 13:51:05 <jeblad> Nah, old certificateā€¦
2018-04-18 13:57:26 <volans> jeblad: our certificates are not issued by WebProxy, you can see our certificate history here: https://crt.sh/?q=wikipedia.org
2018-04-18 14:00:59 <volans> it could be a proxy in a corporate-owned network for example
2018-04-18 15:00:48 <CFisch_WMDE> \o/
2018-04-18 15:00:53 <CFisch_WMDE> Hello hello!
2018-04-18 15:01:15 <CFisch_WMDE> Welcome to todays episode of the technical advice IRC meeting!
2018-04-18 15:01:46 <CFisch_WMDE> This time starring jakob_WMDE and me!
2018-04-18 15:02:02 <jakob_WMDE> Helloo!
2018-04-18 15:03:07 <CFisch_WMDE> So we already have two topics on the agenda ... mainframe98 just left ... :-/
2018-04-18 15:03:29 <mainframe98_> I'm still here, but my connection failed, and I apparently reconnected under a different nick?
2018-04-18 15:03:29 <CFisch_WMDE> But I see Bamyers99 is here
2018-04-18 15:03:37 <mainframe98_> Dunno why
2018-04-18 15:03:40 <CFisch_WMDE> ahh yeah :-)
2018-04-18 15:03:55 <CFisch_WMDE> internet strangeness
2018-04-18 15:05:08 <mainframe98_> Well, anyway. My question that I wanted to ask had to do with OOUI HTMLForm anti frustration, but that problem seems to have solved itself already.
2018-04-18 15:05:08 <CFisch_WMDE> So since you now responded first mainframe98_ ... whats the matter with OOUI? :-)
2018-04-18 15:05:17 <CFisch_WMDE> oh perfect :-D
2018-04-18 15:05:46 <mainframe98_> I was wondering if OOUI would auto submit when one presses the enter button, because that is undesirable for my form.
2018-04-18 15:06:09 <CFisch_WMDE> and did it? :-)
2018-04-18 15:07:28 <mainframe98_> But apparently, this only occurs in certain cases. I'll need to do a quick check, but it appears that when there is no textarea in the form descriptor, the enter key is also used to submit the form
2018-04-18 15:08:08 <CFisch_WMDE> Yeah, that's what I would have guessed. And in most cases this is something you want to happen.
2018-04-18 15:08:29 <CFisch_WMDE> You can override that behavior if wanted though.
2018-04-18 15:09:17 <mainframe98_> How would I do that? Currently depending on the form I have there's either submit on enter press, or only on the button press. I can't nail down why that is though.
2018-04-18 15:09:51 <CFisch_WMDE> So normally it depends not on the kind of form but in the kind if element where your focus is in.
2018-04-18 15:10:05 <CFisch_WMDE> So a form with a normal text input field and a textarea
2018-04-18 15:10:19 <CFisch_WMDE> would submit when your focus is in the input field with enter
2018-04-18 15:10:31 <CFisch_WMDE> but not when you are currently in the textarea
2018-04-18 15:11:07 <CFisch_WMDE> so this is something you could set per form element
2018-04-18 15:12:38 <CFisch_WMDE> atm I am not entirely sure how to manipulate that the OOUI way but I could have a look
2018-04-18 15:14:48 <mainframe98_> That explains why the submit only behaves like that on input fields. The strange thing is that in a large form (probably pushes HTMLForm to its limits itself) the submit on enter does not seem to work.
2018-04-18 15:16:27 <CFisch_WMDE> mainframe98_: that sounds strange ... so lets say you have a form with 50 input fields then the submit with Enter does not work when one of them is focused?
2018-04-18 15:18:55 <mainframe98_> My last count was just shy of 400 input fields of all kinds, but yes, that's correct
2018-04-18 15:21:39 <mainframe98_> Although, it appears that this doesn't occur when JavaScript is disabled, so that suggests some OOUI JS changes the behaviour of the input fields.
2018-04-18 15:32:23 <Bamyers99> I am not familiar with the protocol here, can I ask my question now?
2018-04-18 15:32:42 <CFisch_WMDE> Bamyers99: sure :-)
2018-04-18 15:33:08 <CFisch_WMDE> mainframe98_: yeah maybe with so many fields somethings goes wrong there
2018-04-18 15:33:32 <Bamyers99> It is regarding the qacct command line tool on ToolForge
2018-04-18 15:33:59 <Bamyers99> It take a very long time to get results for a job that was run in the past day or so.
2018-04-18 15:34:50 <mainframe98_> CFisch_WMDE: I'll look into this further on a later time. Currently, only my "test" form submits on enter press, and not the actual form, so the priority isn't that high anymore. Regardless, thank you.
2018-04-18 15:35:16 <CFisch_WMDE> mainframe98_: okay you're welcome
2018-04-18 15:35:39 <CFisch_WMDE> Bamyers99: hmm sounds like something the for the could guys
2018-04-18 15:36:26 <CFisch_WMDE> so you could try to ask that question in #wikimedia-cloud
2018-04-18 15:37:18 <CFisch_WMDE> the guys there are mostly involved with the whole infrastructure around tools
2018-04-18 15:37:31 <CFisch_WMDE> could be that they have an idea on the topic
2018-04-18 15:39:13 <Bamyers99> ok, thanks
2018-04-18 15:39:13 <jakob_WMDE> I think Bryan (bd808 on IRC) specifically can probably help or point you to someone
2018-04-18 15:39:47 <jakob_WMDE> I have no clue about the particular problem either, unfortunately :/
2018-04-18 15:43:27 <jakob_WMDE> Does anyone else have a question? :)
2018-04-18 15:43:47 <CFisch_WMDE> :-)
2018-04-18 15:44:22 <mainframe98_> Oh, I forgot to ask my second question: I've noticed that $wgSiteSupportPage is not used in MediaWiki anywhere in the code, nor in any extension.
2018-04-18 15:44:36 <mainframe98_> How would one go ask for deprecation of this global?
2018-04-18 15:45:12 <Reedy> If it's not used, it's already deprecated
2018-04-18 15:45:15 <Reedy> It just needs removing
2018-04-18 15:45:18 <mainframe98_> See https://codesearch.wmflabs.org/search/?q=wgSiteSupportPage&i=nope&files=&repos=
2018-04-18 15:45:23 <Reedy> Or, it could be a bug
2018-04-18 15:45:30 <Reedy> FYI, you need to search without the wg too
2018-04-18 15:46:46 <mainframe98_> It's not officially deprecated according to DefaultSettings.php. Search without wg (I was lazy) shows the same results
2018-04-18 15:48:09 <CFisch_WMDE> hmm I don't really know how the official process would be, but I guess best practice is to create a Phab ticket "Remove deprecated ...."
2018-04-18 15:48:30 <mainframe98_> An interesting tidbit is that it's defined in wmf-config for default and dewiki. Both links redirect to donatewiki, so those values are outdated as well.
2018-04-18 15:48:40 <CFisch_WMDE> and the one could add patches removing it everywhere
2018-04-18 15:48:46 <Reedy> If it's not used in code, there's really no point deprecating it
2018-04-18 15:48:56 <Reedy> Just like CFisch_WMDE says, clean up wmf-config etc
2018-04-18 15:50:08 <mainframe98_> I'll just create a task for it then. Thank you both.
2018-04-18 15:55:37 <CFisch_WMDE> So anyone else? Still 5 minutes left ;-)
2018-04-18 16:02:20 <CFisch_WMDE> Ok that's it for today, see you next time! o/
2018-04-18 16:02:44 <jakob_WMDE> Thanks everyone!
2018-04-18 16:02:51 <mainframe98_> Until next time! o/
2018-04-18 16:08:26 <Stryn> what's wrong with those sorting headers here: https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luokka:Nokian_matkapuhelimet ? I mean "š’‘–" character should not be there

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