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2019-05-01 08:58:47
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<pdehaye2>
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hi, i have a question concerning user scripts. is there a way to make them work on mobile?
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2019-05-01 11:00:07
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<pdehaye2>
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(i am back, still looking for an answer, and checking the logs too)
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2019-05-01 14:00:21
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<wm-bot>
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Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 60 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @James_F & @mooeypoo - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
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2019-05-01 14:37:11
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<James_F>
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waves.
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2019-05-01 14:40:18
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<Urbanecm>
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Hi everyone. I'm experiencing really strange issues with git rn. Can anybody have a look at https://ctrlv.cz/KJlS and tell me what might be happening?
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2019-05-01 14:40:21
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<Urbanecm>
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I'm out of ideas :(
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2019-05-01 14:41:31
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<Reedy>
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It's not some weird .gitignore but force added file is it?
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2019-05-01 14:42:21
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<Urbanecm>
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Reedy, this is my .gitignore: https://paste.ee/p/5KXVN
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2019-05-01 14:43:11
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<Reedy>
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What does git add-ing the file explicitly happen
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2019-05-01 14:43:36
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<Urbanecm>
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Reedy, https://ctrlv.cz/WwXv
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2019-05-01 14:43:41
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<Urbanecm>
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nothing changes in git status
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2019-05-01 14:47:48
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<Reedy>
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No change of file case?
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2019-05-01 14:49:51
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<Urbanecm>
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Reedy, no visible change
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2019-05-01 14:50:05
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<Urbanecm>
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but I _did_ change casing of file names, maybe I screwed up something
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2019-05-01 14:50:09
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<Urbanecm>
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but I've no idea how and how to fix it
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2019-05-01 14:50:20
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<wm-bot>
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Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 10 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @James_F & @mooeypoo - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
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2019-05-01 14:55:01
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<Reedy>
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Urbanecm: What files did you change the case of?
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2019-05-01 14:55:22
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<Reedy>
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Do they still exist on disk?
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2019-05-01 14:55:48
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<Urbanecm>
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Reedy, the whole folder Statistics.Client was with lowercase s (statistics.Client)
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2019-05-01 14:56:15
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<Reedy>
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That's almost certainly the problem
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2019-05-01 14:56:16
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<James_F>
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Urbanecm: Are you on Windows with a case-insensitive filesystem?
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2019-05-01 14:56:26
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<Reedy>
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is there still a statistics.Client and Statistics.Client on disk?
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2019-05-01 14:56:26
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<Urbanecm>
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windows with linux subsystem
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2019-05-01 14:56:38
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<James_F>
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Could be a case-fight.
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2019-05-01 14:56:53
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<Urbanecm>
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not according to windows
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2019-05-01 14:58:28
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<James_F>
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Yeah, Windows gets confused about these things.
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2019-05-01 14:58:44
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<mooeypoo>
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o/
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2019-05-01 14:59:14
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<James_F>
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Generally the only advice is "don't use Windows", which isn't realistic for many, sadly.
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2019-05-01 14:59:32
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<Urbanecm>
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yeah...
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2019-05-01 14:59:48
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<Reedy>
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lol
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2019-05-01 14:59:56
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<Reedy>
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do a clean clone of the repo and use that?
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2019-05-01 15:00:12
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<Urbanecm>
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I've tried that, but that didn't help
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2019-05-01 15:00:37
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<James_F>
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Anyway, welcome all to the Tech Advice meeting.
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2019-05-01 15:00:45
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<xSavitar>
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lol
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2019-05-01 15:00:47
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<James_F>
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I'm here with mooeypoo to answer your questions.
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2019-05-01 15:00:57
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<Urbanecm>
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anyway, managed to fix that by deleting the files and recreating them - at least the clone is clean
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2019-05-01 15:01:05
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<Urbanecm>
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thanks for your help
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2019-05-01 15:01:07
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<mooeypoo>
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Welcome to the Technical Advice IRC meetings everyone. We're here to answer your questions! \o/
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2019-05-01 15:01:10
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<James_F>
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Be they about git and Windows, git and Linux, git and Macs, or indeed non-git issues. :-)
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2019-05-01 15:03:24
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<mainframe98>
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I've got a question: Is it preferred in MediaWiki to cache non-objects vs objects? I've got an instance of an object I need to cache, but from what I can deduce, that all uses serialize/unserialize.
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2019-05-01 15:04:00
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<James_F>
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mainframe98: I don't know, sorry.
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2019-05-01 15:04:39
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<mainframe98>
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I could also just cache the arrays that go into that class, but that would be slightly more work. It would be a little saver, as it wouldn't store any objects in the cache, but doesn't migate the issue entirely
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2019-05-01 15:05:08
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<mainframe98>
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meant safer
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2019-05-01 15:05:25
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<James_F>
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nods.
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2019-05-01 15:05:33
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<James_F>
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I don't touch PHP caching, sorry. :-(
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2019-05-01 15:06:28
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<mooeypoo>
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I'm afraid I can't answer that either, I don't know enough about this.
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2019-05-01 15:06:50
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<McJohn>
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I’ve got a quick question (not about git, sorry) but who is the intended audience for Special:ApiFeatureUsage ?
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2019-05-01 15:07:00
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<mainframe98>
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James_F: Alright, I'll ask again at another meeting. Thanks for answering.
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2019-05-01 15:07:46
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<McJohn>
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In particular, is it more helpful to set a useragent by tool, by tool version, or more narrow, like per task in a tool?
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2019-05-01 15:07:58
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<James_F>
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McJohn: The main use is for us developers in determining how much API endpoints are used and which we can switch off with less impact.
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2019-05-01 15:10:16
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<McJohn>
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So, in short, not much matters as far as user agent versioning, etc
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2019-05-01 15:10:17
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<McJohn>
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Thanks
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2019-05-01 15:10:37
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<James_F>
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(E.g. if we find that action=compare is being massively used by IE6, we should go find out why.)
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2019-05-01 15:10:57
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<miquel>
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hello, I have started using wikidata recently and I am very impressed by its performance. I am using other SPARQL endpoints at work and those do not perform ads well as yours. I would like to learn more about your architecture and data modeling. Could somebody point me to a source with updated information? Thank you.
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2019-05-01 15:10:58
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<James_F>
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Honestly, I don't think it's a very valuable thing for us to have built over the years. :-)
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2019-05-01 15:11:40
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<James_F>
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miquel: Hey. The SPARQL endpoint is provided via the wikidata query service which is I believe Blazegraph-powered.
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2019-05-01 15:12:46
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<James_F>
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miquel: hahttps://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikidata_Query_Service/Implementations a lot of details. https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/wikidata/query/rdf/+/masterhas the code
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2019-05-01 15:13:00
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<James_F>
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Err.
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2019-05-01 15:13:26
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<James_F>
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miquel: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikidata_Query_Service/Implementation has a lot of details. https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/wikidata/query/rdf/+/master has the code
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2019-05-01 15:13:39
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<James_F>
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Sorry, my IRC client is eating half of my typing. :-(
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2019-05-01 15:13:52
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<James_F>
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miquel: You may get some more information from people in #wikidata.
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2019-05-01 15:16:09
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<miquel>
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thank you James for your help :)
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2019-05-01 15:27:24
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<James_F>
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Still here for questions. :-)
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2019-05-01 15:54:27
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<lucaswerkmeister>
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can I still ask a question?
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2019-05-01 15:54:34
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<Reedy>
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nope
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2019-05-01 15:54:36
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<Reedy>
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never
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2019-05-01 15:55:19
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<McJohn>
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lol
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2019-05-01 15:55:32
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<James_F>
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lucaswerkmeister: Go for it. ;-)
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2019-05-01 15:55:45
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<lucaswerkmeister>
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any news on Python 3.5 availability in Toolforge?
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2019-05-01 15:55:59
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<James_F>
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Oh, sorry. No idea.
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2019-05-01 15:56:07
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<lucaswerkmeister>
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ok, then I’ll just keep watching https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T219091 I guess
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2019-05-01 15:56:11
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<lucaswerkmeister>
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was worth a try
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2019-05-01 15:56:18
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<James_F>
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Yeah.
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2019-05-01 18:25:37
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<legoktm>
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lucaswerkmeister: py3.5 for CLI or webservices?
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2019-05-01 18:25:46
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<lucaswerkmeister>
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webservices
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2019-05-01 18:25:51
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<lucaswerkmeister>
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kubernetes ones specifically
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2019-05-01 18:26:04
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<legoktm>
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oh, I read the ticket now
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2019-05-01 19:59:30
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<RhinosF1>
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thcipriani, Potential issue with today's train deployments - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T218511
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2019-05-01 20:00:08
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<Reedy>
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It's been around 6 weeks, it's not a blocker
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2019-05-01 20:00:51
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<RhinosF1>
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Reedy, according to a report, it's got worse since the train was deployed
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2019-05-01 20:04:49
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<thcipriani>
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report?
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2019-05-01 20:04:55
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<thcipriani>
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reads
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2019-05-01 20:05:47
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<Reedy>
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I see it as an annoyance, but not a train blocker
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2019-05-01 20:07:11
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<thcipriani>
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the fact that it has been ongoing would seem to indicate that rolling back would have no effect
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2019-05-01 20:07:31
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<Reedy>
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Not unless you go back many versions
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2019-05-01 20:09:15
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<RhinosF1>
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Thcipriani, Reedy, I doubt it's rollback worthy but a look at why it's worse since the train might be in order
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2019-05-01 20:09:46
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<Reedy>
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Well, Aaron has been dealing with it...
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2019-05-01 20:09:49
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<Reedy>
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It's only just been reported it
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2019-05-01 20:09:57
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<Reedy>
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He may or may not be working today (yet)
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2019-05-01 20:10:02
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<Reedy>
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I'm sure he'll look at it
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2019-05-01 20:10:51
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<RhinosF1>
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Reedy, Thanks for the help, I'll post on phab if no one beats me to it summing up the discussion on here
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2019-05-01 21:00:04
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<RhinosF1>
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Reedy, Still around? https://deployment.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/User:Rhinosf1/common.js - Don't need this anymore, any chance of a deletion??
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2019-05-01 21:30:01
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<quiddity>
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RhinosF1, just blank it. It's not worth the distraction-time for him to log-in and delete it. Blanked .js pages are harmless.
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2019-05-01 23:51:39
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<Dragonfly6-7>
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who runs the GLAM tool/
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2019-05-01 23:51:46
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<Dragonfly6-7>
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?
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2019-05-01 23:52:13
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<Reedy>
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glam tool?
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2019-05-01 23:52:57
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<Dragonfly6-7>
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https://tools.wmflabs.org/glamtools/glamorous.php
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2019-05-01 23:53:26
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<Dragonfly6-7>
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every time it's supposed to point to wikiquote, it actually points to 'wikiquote.wikipedia.org'
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2019-05-01 23:53:28
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<Reedy>
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Magnus Manske
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2019-05-01 23:53:36
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<Dragonfly6-7>
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he still active?
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2019-05-01 23:53:49
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<Reedy>
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https://bitbucket.org/magnusmanske/glamtools/src/master/
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2019-05-01 23:53:51
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<Reedy>
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Ish
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2019-05-01 23:54:22
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<Dragonfly6-7>
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i really don't feel like climbing up the learning curve just to post a bug report
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2019-05-01 23:54:31
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<Dragonfly6-7>
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is this something you could do for me
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2019-05-01 23:54:32
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<Reedy>
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shrugs
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2019-05-01 23:54:35
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<Reedy>
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No
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2019-05-01 23:54:38
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<Reedy>
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I don't have an account there
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2019-05-01 23:54:52
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<Dragonfly6-7>
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likewise
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2019-05-01 23:54:56
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<Dragonfly6-7>
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anyone else?
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2019-05-01 23:54:57
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<Reedy>
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Special:EmailUser?
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2019-05-01 23:56:16
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<Dragonfly6-7>
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shakes head
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2019-05-01 23:57:38
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<Dragonfly6-7>
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he does specifically ask that bug reports be made on bitbucket
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2019-05-01 23:57:59
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<Reedy>
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No
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2019-05-01 23:58:24
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<Reedy>
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But on https://tools.wmflabs.org/admin/tools that's basically the only info
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