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2015-06-24 09:21:06 <benestar> Thiemo_WMDE: hi :) sjoerddebruin spotted a very strange bug (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103603) and I found the issue (https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/220424/)
2015-06-24 09:21:23 <benestar> maybe you wanna merge that, I really felt wft when finding out what's going on there
2015-06-24 09:35:38 <Jonas_WMDE> /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER Jonas_WMDE zqdmwqclmrla
2015-06-24 09:36:08 <sjoerddebruin> ehmm
2015-06-24 09:36:16 <sjoerddebruin> Beter change your password.
2015-06-24 09:49:32 <sjoerddebruin> benestar: Is there any way to prevent the references script making the width too large that it goes out of thebody?
2015-06-24 10:20:45 <benestar> sjoerddebruin: hi :) how does it make the width too large?
2015-06-24 10:21:55 <sjoerddebruin> benestar: There are some rare situations that the page is overflowing.
2015-06-24 10:22:06 <benestar> can you provide a screenshot?
2015-06-24 10:23:57 <sjoerddebruin> It's another Wikibase thing it seems.
2015-06-24 10:25:23 <sjoerddebruin> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q200194, my window width is 1130
2015-06-24 10:28:26 <benestar> sjoerddebruin: I don't see any issues, a screenshot would help ;)
2015-06-24 10:33:49 <sjoerddebruin> benestar: Not working atm... :/
2015-06-24 10:34:06 <benestar> just do it when it occurs again ;)
2015-06-24 10:37:20 <sjoerddebruin> http://i.imgur.com/mO4jwdg.png
2015-06-24 10:38:12 <benestar> o.O
2015-06-24 10:38:31 <benestar> the grey border at the right looks indeed very strange
2015-06-24 10:39:08 <sjoerddebruin> It's the background. :P
2015-06-24 10:39:30 <JeroenDeDauw> sjoerddebruin: for a sec I thought that said trout.nl, which would have been a weird name
2015-06-24 10:40:00 <sjoerddebruin> JeroenDeDauw: Wrong side of the screen. :)
2015-06-24 10:41:03 <sjoerddebruin> benestar: Try random item with 1030 width.
2015-06-24 10:41:23 <sjoerddebruin> Wait a few seconds, it doesn't appear instantly.
2015-06-24 10:41:50 <benestar> seems to be ok in FF, trying chrome
2015-06-24 10:42:54 <DanielK_WMDE_> Thiemo_WMDE: care to take a look? We discussed this code before, and I think my patch actually resolves an old argument of ours :) https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/220167/
2015-06-24 10:43:22 <sjoerddebruin> Only seems to happen on pages where the AuthorityControl gadget needs to do something, benestar.
2015-06-24 10:45:54 <sjoerddebruin> Doesn'
2015-06-24 10:46:04 <sjoerddebruin> happen when i disable that one.
2015-06-24 10:46:25 <sjoerddebruin> Said that too fast.
2015-06-24 10:46:35 <benestar> sjoerddebruin: hmm, I can't reproduce that :S
2015-06-24 10:47:35 <benestar> ok, got it now :)
2015-06-24 10:48:41 <benestar> it's because the boxes with statements have a min-width set
2015-06-24 10:48:53 <benestar> will perhaps be fixed with the new UI
2015-06-24 10:50:46 <benestar> margin-left: 15em; margin-right: 18em; <-- that breaks it
2015-06-24 10:51:40 <benestar> nah, sth else but anyways, that's something for the redesign
2015-06-24 10:54:56 <Tobi_WMDE_SW> DanielK_WMDE_: jzerebecki Thiemo_WMDE can you please check if the boward is up to date? https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/sprint/board/1296/
2015-06-24 10:55:14 <Tobi_WMDE_SW> there are quite some tasts in the backlog that are assigned already..
2015-06-24 11:02:54 <benestar> Lydia_WMDE: what is the Epic tag for on phabricator?
2015-06-24 11:03:32 <JohnFLewis> benestar: it's to denote a really long project which has a goal that is achievable over a long period of time
2015-06-24 11:04:05 <benestar> JohnFLewis: how specific is "really long" defined?
2015-06-24 11:04:32 <JohnFLewis> It's up to you.
2015-06-24 11:04:55 <JohnFLewis> Mostly it's used if a project requires a lot of work from multiple people or a lot of dedication from a particular team or so
2015-06-24 11:07:47 <matej_suchanek> hi guys, anyone want me help investigate a watchlist issue?
2015-06-24 11:08:08 <nikki> wonders what it involves
2015-06-24 11:08:38 <matej_suchanek> well, to add a page on cswiki to watchlist and enable some preferences
2015-06-24 11:09:13 <nikki> oh, that sounds easy enough then
2015-06-24 11:09:57 <matej_suchanek> so are you volunteer, nikki?
2015-06-24 11:10:03 <nikki> sure :)
2015-06-24 11:10:26 <matej_suchanek> ok so first go to cswiki and activate "Show Wikidata changes on watchlist"
2015-06-24 11:11:33 <nikki> done
2015-06-24 11:11:41 <matej_suchanek> now add page "Five Nights at Freddy's 3" to your watchlist and tell me what you see
2015-06-24 11:12:11 <matej_suchanek> I mean on the watchlist
2015-06-24 11:12:21 <nikki> "(diff | hist) . . D Five Nights at Freddy's 3 (Q18671654); 10:08 . . Jvs (Talk | contribs) (This page has been unlinked from Wikidata item. Language links removed.)"
2015-06-24 11:12:36 <matej_suchanek> yes... now check the item's history
2015-06-24 11:12:48 <benestar> matej_suchanek: that game is fun xD
2015-06-24 11:12:53 <matej_suchanek> it is not the same one
2015-06-24 11:13:24 <matej_suchanek> benestar: don't know anything about it, maybe this issue will force me to give it a try :)
2015-06-24 11:13:33 <nikki> ah, so it isn't
2015-06-24 11:14:07 <matej_suchanek> the "hist" links to another item Q18671654, doesn't it?
2015-06-24 11:14:23 <benestar> matej_suchanek: but what is the exact issue with the watchlist entry?
2015-06-24 11:14:31 <matej_suchanek> sorry, wrong
2015-06-24 11:15:00 <matej_suchanek> that it shows Five Nights at Freddy's 3 (Q18671654) while the page is connected to Q18913274
2015-06-24 11:15:11 <benestar> oh, I see o.O
2015-06-24 11:15:24 <matej_suchanek> strange, isn't it?
2015-06-24 11:15:35 <matej_suchanek> thanks nikki for your help! :D
2015-06-24 11:15:42 <nikki> no problem :)
2015-06-24 11:15:58 <benestar> matej_suchanek: did you create a task on phabricator?
2015-06-24 11:16:04 <matej_suchanek> not yet
2015-06-24 11:16:14 <matej_suchanek> wanted to check it's not only on my side
2015-06-24 11:47:02 <hussainmirahmadi> Hi everyone
2015-06-24 11:47:09 <hussainmirahmadi> I have a question about Wikidata .
2015-06-24 11:47:57 <hussainmirahmadi> what is the difference between "subclass of" and "instance of" in wikidata ?
2015-06-24 11:49:00 <matej_suchanek> hussainmirahmadi: instance of is used when there exists/existed only one such thing (people, cities)
2015-06-24 11:49:39 <matej_suchanek> subclass of is used when you can find more such things in the world
2015-06-24 11:50:25 <matej_suchanek> ie. Wikidata - instance of - database; laptop - subclass of - device
2015-06-24 11:55:55 <DanielK_WMDE_> hussainmirahmadi: generally, instances have a concrete time and place (though that doesn't have to be fixed, e.g. for individual people).
2015-06-24 11:56:38 <DanielK_WMDE_> sometimes, it's not obvious whetehr something is a subclass or an instance. There was quite a bit of argument about whetehr "ethanol" should be a subclass or an instance of alcohol. As it turns out, it should be a subclass, even though that's a bit counter-intuitive on a first look
2015-06-24 11:56:46 <DanielK_WMDE_> (individual molecules would be the instances)
2015-06-24 11:57:09 <hussainmirahmadi> THANKS METEJ
2015-06-24 11:57:56 <hussainmirahmadi> THANKS DANIELK
2015-06-24 11:58:15 <DanielK_WMDE_> yw
2015-06-24 11:59:07 <hussainmirahmadi> but dont you think like making these concepts separate is not necessary ?
2015-06-24 11:59:26 <hussainmirahmadi> let me explain more
2015-06-24 11:59:45 <hussainmirahmadi> an instance is located in the lowest position in a conceptual hierarchy .
2015-06-24 12:00:14 <hussainmirahmadi> but is it necessary to confirm this by using a separate keyword "istance-of"
2015-06-24 12:00:55 <hussainmirahmadi> instead of just using the same keyword as higher concepts relations as "subclass of" ?
2015-06-24 12:01:17 <hussainmirahmadi> so if for example we could find two types of ETHANOL in this expamle
2015-06-24 12:01:30 <hussainmirahmadi> we can just easily add more branches to ethanol .
2015-06-24 12:02:11 <hussainmirahmadi> instead of encountering with the problem that we have been defining ETHANOL as an istance not a subclass
2015-06-24 12:02:39 <hussainmirahmadi> I MEAN
2015-06-24 12:03:11 <hussainmirahmadi> what is the point in adding this new term of "instance of"
2015-06-24 12:03:33 <hussainmirahmadi> rather than keep using "subclass of" in all levels
2015-06-24 12:03:36 <DanielK_WMDE_> hussainmirahmadi: basically, saying that it's an instance makes additional guarantees. E.g. it guarantees we are talking about an individual, there are no subclasses of it, it has a concrete time and place (of some sort)
2015-06-24 12:03:53 <DanielK_WMDE_> it'sa convenient way of cosntructing an onthology.
2015-06-24 12:04:13 <DanielK_WMDE_> it'S not the only way, though. in oparticular, it becomes strange when talking about groups or sets as individuals.
2015-06-24 12:05:06 <DanielK_WMDE_> hussainmirahmadi: but using "subclass of" throughout would also be strange. I'm not a subclass of human. there cannot be subclasses or instances of me. I'm not a collective.
2015-06-24 12:06:36 <hussainmirahmadi> another question
2015-06-24 12:19:00 <Lydia_WMDE> benestar: yeah as JohnFLewis said. i used it to tag the high-level stuff that is on the development plan now
2015-06-24 12:25:16 <hussain> HELOOOOO
2015-06-24 12:25:20 <hussain> I HAVE A QUESTION
2015-06-24 12:25:24 <hussain> ANYONE CAN HELP ?
2015-06-24 12:26:04 <hussain> IS THERE ANY WIKIDATA EXPERT HERE ?
2015-06-24 12:26:41 <matej_suchanek> there are many here, just ask and someone will propably answer you
2015-06-24 12:27:15 <hussain> you described the difference of "class of" and "instance of"
2015-06-24 12:27:17 <hussain> and I got it
2015-06-24 12:27:27 <hussain> but with that description
2015-06-24 12:27:46 <hussain> an element cant' be both instance and subclass at the same time
2015-06-24 12:27:59 <hussain> but I can see things on wikidata that
2015-06-24 12:28:10 <matej_suchanek> I remeber there was a discussion about this
2015-06-24 12:28:16 <hussain> have both "subclass" and "instance of" fields .
2015-06-24 12:28:23 <hussain> can you explain it ?
2015-06-24 12:28:59 <hussain> do you need an exmaple url ?
2015-06-24 12:29:15 <matej_suchanek> one example about this: politician is an occupation and all politicians are people
2015-06-24 12:29:34 <matej_suchanek> however, i don't know whether this is correct
2015-06-24 12:30:05 <matej_suchanek> what's your example?
2015-06-24 12:31:14 <hussain> sorry
2015-06-24 12:31:18 <hussain> I was in the kitchen
2015-06-24 12:31:20 <hussain> wait a sec
2015-06-24 12:34:02 <hussain> here for example
2015-06-24 12:34:05 <hussain> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q197
2015-06-24 12:34:21 <hussain> an airplane has both "instance of" and "subclass of" fields .
2015-06-24 12:34:38 <hussain> an airplane = airplane*
2015-06-24 12:34:59 <hussain> it's confusing .
2015-06-24 12:35:01 <hussain> isn't it ?
2015-06-24 12:35:32 <matej_suchanek> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Adopt_Help:Classification_as_an_official_help_page
2015-06-24 12:36:04 <matej_suchanek> yes it is but we shoukd knwo that not everyone understands the classification
2015-06-24 12:36:49 <matej_suchanek> for this case, just read the linked RfC
2015-06-24 12:42:27 <sjoerddebruin> Most airplanes get https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q15056995 btw
2015-06-24 12:51:40 <hoo> DanielK_WMDE_: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/219001 Would be nice, if you could reply there sometime today. Doesn't need to be now
2015-06-24 12:52:11 <DanielK_WMDE_> hoo: it'S either now or not today
2015-06-24 12:52:26 <hoo> I'd rather have it now, then :D
2015-06-24 12:52:52 <DanielK_WMDE_> jzerebecki, Thiemo_WMDE: this is up for the RFC meeting tonight. would you read & comment? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_focus_2015
2015-06-24 12:53:05 <DanielK_WMDE_> i have to run off to the council meeting now
2015-06-24 13:23:44 <MGChecker> Is any translation admin here?
2015-06-24 13:24:29 <matej_suchanek> yes, I will be here ~30 mins before leaving
2015-06-24 13:26:06 <MGChecker> Can you mark this page in the newest revsion of this page for translating:
2015-06-24 13:26:15 <MGChecker> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Arbitrary_access
2015-06-24 13:26:53 <matej_suchanek> I though you would need marking some page for translation
2015-06-24 13:27:33 <matej_suchanek> hm I think we could use more auto-translate methods on this page
2015-06-24 13:30:25 <MGChecker> You mean that new data gets translated automatically?
2015-06-24 13:31:20 <matej_suchanek> I mean e.g. 11 May 2015 automatically translated to 11. května 2015 etc.
2015-06-24 13:31:29 <MGChecker> yes
2015-06-24 13:31:30 <matej_suchanek> or using labels for "French Wikisource"
2015-06-24 13:31:46 <MGChecker> hm
2015-06-24 13:31:52 <matej_suchanek> and also not including "{{done}}" in translations
2015-06-24 13:31:59 <MGChecker> yeah
2015-06-24 13:33:24 <MGChecker> I know what you mean, but the only thing I can do with Extension:Translate until now, is translating, because I didn't look for other features of the extension till now
2015-06-24 13:34:09 <matej_suchanek> well, I will mark it for now and later get back to it because date auto-translation needs more work
2015-06-24 13:34:29 <MGChecker> okay
2015-06-24 13:34:33 <MGChecker> thank you
2015-06-24 13:38:24 <matej_suchanek> MGChecker: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:ISOdate will help us, I don't have much time now, you can try to make it work
2015-06-24 14:17:45 <hoo> Phabricator has calendars... mh
2015-06-24 14:23:06 <MGChecker> Why it isn't possible to save a range of dates, if you aren't sure abozut the date because it is in the feature?
2015-06-24 14:24:38 <hoo> You can have an uncertainty by lowering the precision
2015-06-24 14:25:39 <MGChecker> Yes, but if yozu want to say 2017-2019 or 2018+-1, you can't to this but only save 2010s, which isn't an option, I think
2015-06-24 14:25:50 <MGChecker> Or if I know a quartet, but not the month
2015-06-24 14:27:36 <DanielK_WMDE_> MGChecker: it's actually possible via the API, but our parser for human readable input isn't smart enough for this at the moment.
2015-06-24 14:28:22 <MGChecker> It would be nice if it would be possible to define quarter as assitionaly precision
2015-06-24 14:29:25 <MGChecker> DanielK_WMDE_: Is there a Phab task about this problem that auch things aren't possible with GUI?
2015-06-24 14:46:44 <jzerebecki> Jonas_WMDE: http://wikidata.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Wikidata:Main_Page
2015-06-24 16:39:32 <jzerebecki> DanielK_WMDE_: should i add something about every deployed extension should be able to use their own composer.json to reuse our own components to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_focus_2015#Modularity_and_testability ?
2015-06-24 17:47:31 <benestar> JeroenDeDauw: eazy reviews https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/owner:Bene+status:open,n,z
2015-06-24 17:47:35 <benestar> !review
2015-06-24 17:47:35 <wm-bot> https://bit.ly/wdrieview
2015-06-24 17:48:20 <benestar> !nyanreview
2015-06-24 17:49:50 <DanielK_WMDE_> Lydia_WMDE: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102717
2015-06-24 18:45:48 <sjoerddebruin> I'm getting a lot of "page already exists" errors.
2015-06-24 18:48:12 <sjoerddebruin> Highly annoying, when you're working on family's.
2015-06-24 18:48:21 <sjoerddebruin> Geez, five times
2015-06-24 18:48:52 <sjoerddebruin> And counting.
2015-06-24 18:55:40 <sjoerddebruin> Lydia_WMDE: It's driving me mad. ^
2015-06-24 18:55:50 <Lydia_WMDE> sjoerddebruin: ohnoes!
2015-06-24 18:55:54 <Lydia_WMDE> what's happening?
2015-06-24 18:56:17 <sjoerddebruin> Getting errors on Special:NewItem about pages that are already existing but they don't.
2015-06-24 18:56:30 <sjoerddebruin> The last one I had to press the button 10 times.
2015-06-24 18:56:36 <Lydia_WMDE> Oo
2015-06-24 18:56:39 <Lydia_WMDE> hoo: ^
2015-06-24 18:56:45 <Lydia_WMDE> db being funny?
2015-06-24 18:57:58 <hoo> uhm... not good
2015-06-24 18:58:00 <hoo> looking
2015-06-24 18:58:39 <sjoerddebruin> There is good news: Magnus is working on his tools again. :) https://bitbucket.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/issue/14/change-p513-to-p1477-birth-name
2015-06-24 19:00:12 <Lydia_WMDE> \o/
2015-06-24 19:00:33 <hoo> sjoerddebruin: Can you paste the exact error you get, please?
2015-06-24 19:01:51 <sjoerddebruin> It's in Dutch, was trying in English but that seems working. "De pagina is niet aangemaakt. Deze bestaat al."
2015-06-24 19:03:39 <hoo> mh
2015-06-24 19:04:00 <hoo> there's a flood of items being created
2015-06-24 19:04:30 <sjoerddebruin> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:NewPages
2015-06-24 19:04:38 <sjoerddebruin> So it can't reserve a ID?
2015-06-24 19:04:53 <hoo> It probably does, but then something else creates it in the process
2015-06-24 19:05:05 <sjoerddebruin> Anyway, the error is wrong then.
2015-06-24 19:05:14 <hoo> Technically not
2015-06-24 19:05:17 <hoo> The page exists
2015-06-24 19:05:39 <sjoerddebruin> :/
2015-06-24 19:06:25 <sjoerddebruin> ‎GZWDer should do this stuff in European nights...
2015-06-24 19:07:56 <hoo> No, it should just work
2015-06-24 19:12:05 <hoo> sjoerddebruin: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/220551 should fix it
2015-06-24 19:12:25 <hoo> meh, based on wrong branch
2015-06-24 19:14:41 <hoo> sjoerddebruin: If this persists, please create bug for it, in taht case I can make sure we push for this faster. Otherwise that change will (hopefully) be on Wikidata next week
2015-06-24 19:15:07 <sjoerddebruin> Ok
2015-06-24 20:37:37 <kalle> hi everybody
2015-06-24 20:39:18 <kalle> i'm trying to figure out how to assemble an url that returns me the property P625 (coordinate) for a query on site=svwiki where the name is a unique location name
2015-06-24 20:39:24 <kalle> something like https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbgetentities&sites=svwiki&titles=Halmstad&format=json
2015-06-24 20:39:42 <kalle> but where i only get p625 back. can someone please assist me_
2015-06-24 20:39:43 <kalle> ?
2015-06-24 20:41:56 <sjoerddebruin> Be patient. Looking at your question now. :)
2015-06-24 20:43:32 <sjoerddebruin> kalle: There was a relevant discussion in the project chat, this seems to do the job. https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbgetclaims&property=p625&entity=q26521&format=jsonfm
2015-06-24 20:43:42 <sjoerddebruin> See https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#API_usage for the discussion.
2015-06-24 20:46:15 <kalle> sjoerddebruin: thanks!
2015-06-24 20:46:47 <sjoerddebruin> np

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