2015-06-24 09:21:06
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<benestar>
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Thiemo_WMDE: hi :) sjoerddebruin spotted a very strange bug (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103603) and I found the issue (https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/220424/)
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2015-06-24 09:21:23
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<benestar>
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maybe you wanna merge that, I really felt wft when finding out what's going on there
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2015-06-24 09:35:38
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<Jonas_WMDE>
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/msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER Jonas_WMDE zqdmwqclmrla
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2015-06-24 09:36:08
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<sjoerddebruin>
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ehmm
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2015-06-24 09:36:16
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<sjoerddebruin>
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Beter change your password.
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2015-06-24 09:49:32
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<sjoerddebruin>
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benestar: Is there any way to prevent the references script making the width too large that it goes out of thebody?
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2015-06-24 10:20:45
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<benestar>
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sjoerddebruin: hi :) how does it make the width too large?
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2015-06-24 10:21:55
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<sjoerddebruin>
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benestar: There are some rare situations that the page is overflowing.
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2015-06-24 10:22:06
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<benestar>
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can you provide a screenshot?
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2015-06-24 10:23:57
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<sjoerddebruin>
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It's another Wikibase thing it seems.
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2015-06-24 10:25:23
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<sjoerddebruin>
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https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q200194, my window width is 1130
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2015-06-24 10:28:26
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<benestar>
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sjoerddebruin: I don't see any issues, a screenshot would help ;)
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2015-06-24 10:33:49
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<sjoerddebruin>
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benestar: Not working atm... :/
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2015-06-24 10:34:06
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<benestar>
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just do it when it occurs again ;)
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2015-06-24 10:37:20
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<sjoerddebruin>
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http://i.imgur.com/mO4jwdg.png
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2015-06-24 10:38:12
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<benestar>
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o.O
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2015-06-24 10:38:31
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<benestar>
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the grey border at the right looks indeed very strange
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2015-06-24 10:39:08
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<sjoerddebruin>
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It's the background. :P
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2015-06-24 10:39:30
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<JeroenDeDauw>
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sjoerddebruin: for a sec I thought that said trout.nl, which would have been a weird name
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2015-06-24 10:40:00
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<sjoerddebruin>
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JeroenDeDauw: Wrong side of the screen. :)
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2015-06-24 10:41:03
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<sjoerddebruin>
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benestar: Try random item with 1030 width.
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2015-06-24 10:41:23
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<sjoerddebruin>
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Wait a few seconds, it doesn't appear instantly.
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2015-06-24 10:41:50
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<benestar>
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seems to be ok in FF, trying chrome
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2015-06-24 10:42:54
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<DanielK_WMDE_>
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Thiemo_WMDE: care to take a look? We discussed this code before, and I think my patch actually resolves an old argument of ours :) https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/220167/
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2015-06-24 10:43:22
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<sjoerddebruin>
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Only seems to happen on pages where the AuthorityControl gadget needs to do something, benestar.
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2015-06-24 10:45:54
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<sjoerddebruin>
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Doesn'
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2015-06-24 10:46:04
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<sjoerddebruin>
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happen when i disable that one.
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2015-06-24 10:46:25
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<sjoerddebruin>
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Said that too fast.
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2015-06-24 10:46:35
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<benestar>
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sjoerddebruin: hmm, I can't reproduce that :S
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2015-06-24 10:47:35
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<benestar>
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ok, got it now :)
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2015-06-24 10:48:41
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<benestar>
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it's because the boxes with statements have a min-width set
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2015-06-24 10:48:53
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<benestar>
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will perhaps be fixed with the new UI
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2015-06-24 10:50:46
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<benestar>
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margin-left: 15em; margin-right: 18em; <-- that breaks it
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2015-06-24 10:51:40
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<benestar>
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nah, sth else but anyways, that's something for the redesign
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2015-06-24 10:54:56
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<Tobi_WMDE_SW>
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DanielK_WMDE_: jzerebecki Thiemo_WMDE can you please check if the boward is up to date? https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/sprint/board/1296/
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2015-06-24 10:55:14
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<Tobi_WMDE_SW>
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there are quite some tasts in the backlog that are assigned already..
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2015-06-24 11:02:54
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<benestar>
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Lydia_WMDE: what is the Epic tag for on phabricator?
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2015-06-24 11:03:32
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<JohnFLewis>
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benestar: it's to denote a really long project which has a goal that is achievable over a long period of time
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2015-06-24 11:04:05
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<benestar>
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JohnFLewis: how specific is "really long" defined?
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2015-06-24 11:04:32
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<JohnFLewis>
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It's up to you.
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2015-06-24 11:04:55
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<JohnFLewis>
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Mostly it's used if a project requires a lot of work from multiple people or a lot of dedication from a particular team or so
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2015-06-24 11:07:47
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<matej_suchanek>
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hi guys, anyone want me help investigate a watchlist issue?
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2015-06-24 11:08:08
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<nikki>
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wonders what it involves
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2015-06-24 11:08:38
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<matej_suchanek>
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well, to add a page on cswiki to watchlist and enable some preferences
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2015-06-24 11:09:13
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<nikki>
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oh, that sounds easy enough then
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2015-06-24 11:09:57
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<matej_suchanek>
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so are you volunteer, nikki?
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2015-06-24 11:10:03
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<nikki>
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sure :)
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2015-06-24 11:10:26
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<matej_suchanek>
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ok so first go to cswiki and activate "Show Wikidata changes on watchlist"
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2015-06-24 11:11:33
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<nikki>
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done
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2015-06-24 11:11:41
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<matej_suchanek>
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now add page "Five Nights at Freddy's 3" to your watchlist and tell me what you see
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2015-06-24 11:12:11
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<matej_suchanek>
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I mean on the watchlist
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2015-06-24 11:12:21
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<nikki>
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"(diff | hist) . . D Five Nights at Freddy's 3 (Q18671654); 10:08 . . Jvs (Talk | contribs) (This page has been unlinked from Wikidata item. Language links removed.)"
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2015-06-24 11:12:36
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<matej_suchanek>
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yes... now check the item's history
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2015-06-24 11:12:48
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<benestar>
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matej_suchanek: that game is fun xD
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2015-06-24 11:12:53
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<matej_suchanek>
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it is not the same one
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2015-06-24 11:13:24
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<matej_suchanek>
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benestar: don't know anything about it, maybe this issue will force me to give it a try :)
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2015-06-24 11:13:33
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<nikki>
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ah, so it isn't
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2015-06-24 11:14:07
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<matej_suchanek>
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the "hist" links to another item Q18671654, doesn't it?
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2015-06-24 11:14:23
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<benestar>
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matej_suchanek: but what is the exact issue with the watchlist entry?
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2015-06-24 11:14:31
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<matej_suchanek>
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sorry, wrong
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2015-06-24 11:15:00
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<matej_suchanek>
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that it shows Five Nights at Freddy's 3 (Q18671654) while the page is connected to Q18913274
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2015-06-24 11:15:11
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<benestar>
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oh, I see o.O
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2015-06-24 11:15:24
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<matej_suchanek>
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strange, isn't it?
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2015-06-24 11:15:35
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<matej_suchanek>
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thanks nikki for your help! :D
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2015-06-24 11:15:42
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<nikki>
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no problem :)
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2015-06-24 11:15:58
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<benestar>
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matej_suchanek: did you create a task on phabricator?
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2015-06-24 11:16:04
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<matej_suchanek>
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not yet
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2015-06-24 11:16:14
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<matej_suchanek>
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wanted to check it's not only on my side
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2015-06-24 11:47:02
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<hussainmirahmadi>
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Hi everyone
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2015-06-24 11:47:09
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<hussainmirahmadi>
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I have a question about Wikidata .
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2015-06-24 11:47:57
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<hussainmirahmadi>
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what is the difference between "subclass of" and "instance of" in wikidata ?
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2015-06-24 11:49:00
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<matej_suchanek>
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hussainmirahmadi: instance of is used when there exists/existed only one such thing (people, cities)
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2015-06-24 11:49:39
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<matej_suchanek>
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subclass of is used when you can find more such things in the world
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2015-06-24 11:50:25
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<matej_suchanek>
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ie. Wikidata - instance of - database; laptop - subclass of - device
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2015-06-24 11:55:55
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<DanielK_WMDE_>
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hussainmirahmadi: generally, instances have a concrete time and place (though that doesn't have to be fixed, e.g. for individual people).
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2015-06-24 11:56:38
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<DanielK_WMDE_>
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sometimes, it's not obvious whetehr something is a subclass or an instance. There was quite a bit of argument about whetehr "ethanol" should be a subclass or an instance of alcohol. As it turns out, it should be a subclass, even though that's a bit counter-intuitive on a first look
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2015-06-24 11:56:46
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<DanielK_WMDE_>
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(individual molecules would be the instances)
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2015-06-24 11:57:09
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<hussainmirahmadi>
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THANKS METEJ
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2015-06-24 11:57:56
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<hussainmirahmadi>
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THANKS DANIELK
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2015-06-24 11:58:15
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<DanielK_WMDE_>
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yw
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2015-06-24 11:59:07
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<hussainmirahmadi>
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but dont you think like making these concepts separate is not necessary ?
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2015-06-24 11:59:26
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<hussainmirahmadi>
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let me explain more
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2015-06-24 11:59:45
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<hussainmirahmadi>
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an instance is located in the lowest position in a conceptual hierarchy .
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2015-06-24 12:00:14
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<hussainmirahmadi>
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but is it necessary to confirm this by using a separate keyword "istance-of"
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2015-06-24 12:00:55
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<hussainmirahmadi>
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instead of just using the same keyword as higher concepts relations as "subclass of" ?
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2015-06-24 12:01:17
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<hussainmirahmadi>
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so if for example we could find two types of ETHANOL in this expamle
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2015-06-24 12:01:30
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<hussainmirahmadi>
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we can just easily add more branches to ethanol .
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2015-06-24 12:02:11
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<hussainmirahmadi>
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instead of encountering with the problem that we have been defining ETHANOL as an istance not a subclass
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2015-06-24 12:02:39
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<hussainmirahmadi>
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I MEAN
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2015-06-24 12:03:11
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<hussainmirahmadi>
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what is the point in adding this new term of "instance of"
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2015-06-24 12:03:33
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<hussainmirahmadi>
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rather than keep using "subclass of" in all levels
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2015-06-24 12:03:36
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<DanielK_WMDE_>
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hussainmirahmadi: basically, saying that it's an instance makes additional guarantees. E.g. it guarantees we are talking about an individual, there are no subclasses of it, it has a concrete time and place (of some sort)
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2015-06-24 12:03:53
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<DanielK_WMDE_>
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it'sa convenient way of cosntructing an onthology.
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2015-06-24 12:04:13
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<DanielK_WMDE_>
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it'S not the only way, though. in oparticular, it becomes strange when talking about groups or sets as individuals.
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2015-06-24 12:05:06
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<DanielK_WMDE_>
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hussainmirahmadi: but using "subclass of" throughout would also be strange. I'm not a subclass of human. there cannot be subclasses or instances of me. I'm not a collective.
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2015-06-24 12:06:36
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<hussainmirahmadi>
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another question
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2015-06-24 12:19:00
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<Lydia_WMDE>
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benestar: yeah as JohnFLewis said. i used it to tag the high-level stuff that is on the development plan now
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2015-06-24 12:25:16
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<hussain>
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HELOOOOO
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2015-06-24 12:25:20
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<hussain>
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I HAVE A QUESTION
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2015-06-24 12:25:24
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<hussain>
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ANYONE CAN HELP ?
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2015-06-24 12:26:04
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<hussain>
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IS THERE ANY WIKIDATA EXPERT HERE ?
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2015-06-24 12:26:41
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<matej_suchanek>
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there are many here, just ask and someone will propably answer you
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2015-06-24 12:27:15
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<hussain>
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you described the difference of "class of" and "instance of"
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2015-06-24 12:27:17
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<hussain>
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and I got it
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2015-06-24 12:27:27
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<hussain>
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but with that description
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2015-06-24 12:27:46
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<hussain>
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an element cant' be both instance and subclass at the same time
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2015-06-24 12:27:59
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<hussain>
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but I can see things on wikidata that
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2015-06-24 12:28:10
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<matej_suchanek>
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I remeber there was a discussion about this
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2015-06-24 12:28:16
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<hussain>
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have both "subclass" and "instance of" fields .
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2015-06-24 12:28:23
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<hussain>
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can you explain it ?
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2015-06-24 12:28:59
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<hussain>
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do you need an exmaple url ?
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2015-06-24 12:29:15
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<matej_suchanek>
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one example about this: politician is an occupation and all politicians are people
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2015-06-24 12:29:34
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<matej_suchanek>
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however, i don't know whether this is correct
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2015-06-24 12:30:05
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<matej_suchanek>
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what's your example?
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2015-06-24 12:31:14
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<hussain>
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sorry
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2015-06-24 12:31:18
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<hussain>
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I was in the kitchen
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2015-06-24 12:31:20
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<hussain>
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wait a sec
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2015-06-24 12:34:02
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<hussain>
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here for example
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2015-06-24 12:34:05
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<hussain>
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https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q197
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2015-06-24 12:34:21
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<hussain>
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an airplane has both "instance of" and "subclass of" fields .
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2015-06-24 12:34:38
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<hussain>
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an airplane = airplane*
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2015-06-24 12:34:59
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<hussain>
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it's confusing .
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2015-06-24 12:35:01
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<hussain>
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isn't it ?
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2015-06-24 12:35:32
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<matej_suchanek>
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https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Adopt_Help:Classification_as_an_official_help_page
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2015-06-24 12:36:04
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<matej_suchanek>
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yes it is but we shoukd knwo that not everyone understands the classification
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2015-06-24 12:36:49
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<matej_suchanek>
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for this case, just read the linked RfC
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2015-06-24 12:42:27
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<sjoerddebruin>
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Most airplanes get https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q15056995 btw
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2015-06-24 12:51:40
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<hoo>
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DanielK_WMDE_: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/219001 Would be nice, if you could reply there sometime today. Doesn't need to be now
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2015-06-24 12:52:11
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<DanielK_WMDE_>
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hoo: it'S either now or not today
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2015-06-24 12:52:26
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<hoo>
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I'd rather have it now, then :D
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2015-06-24 12:52:52
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<DanielK_WMDE_>
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jzerebecki, Thiemo_WMDE: this is up for the RFC meeting tonight. would you read & comment? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_focus_2015
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2015-06-24 12:53:05
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<DanielK_WMDE_>
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i have to run off to the council meeting now
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2015-06-24 13:23:44
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<MGChecker>
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Is any translation admin here?
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2015-06-24 13:24:29
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<matej_suchanek>
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yes, I will be here ~30 mins before leaving
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2015-06-24 13:26:06
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<MGChecker>
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Can you mark this page in the newest revsion of this page for translating:
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2015-06-24 13:26:15
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<MGChecker>
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https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Arbitrary_access
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2015-06-24 13:26:53
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<matej_suchanek>
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I though you would need marking some page for translation
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2015-06-24 13:27:33
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<matej_suchanek>
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hm I think we could use more auto-translate methods on this page
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2015-06-24 13:30:25
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<MGChecker>
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You mean that new data gets translated automatically?
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2015-06-24 13:31:20
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<matej_suchanek>
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I mean e.g. 11 May 2015 automatically translated to 11. května 2015 etc.
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2015-06-24 13:31:29
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<MGChecker>
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yes
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2015-06-24 13:31:30
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<matej_suchanek>
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or using labels for "French Wikisource"
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2015-06-24 13:31:46
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<MGChecker>
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hm
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2015-06-24 13:31:52
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<matej_suchanek>
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and also not including "{{done}}" in translations
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2015-06-24 13:31:59
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<MGChecker>
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yeah
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2015-06-24 13:33:24
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<MGChecker>
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I know what you mean, but the only thing I can do with Extension:Translate until now, is translating, because I didn't look for other features of the extension till now
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2015-06-24 13:34:09
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<matej_suchanek>
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well, I will mark it for now and later get back to it because date auto-translation needs more work
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2015-06-24 13:34:29
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<MGChecker>
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okay
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2015-06-24 13:34:33
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<MGChecker>
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thank you
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2015-06-24 13:38:24
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<matej_suchanek>
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MGChecker: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:ISOdate will help us, I don't have much time now, you can try to make it work
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2015-06-24 14:17:45
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<hoo>
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Phabricator has calendars... mh
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2015-06-24 14:23:06
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<MGChecker>
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Why it isn't possible to save a range of dates, if you aren't sure abozut the date because it is in the feature?
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2015-06-24 14:24:38
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<hoo>
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You can have an uncertainty by lowering the precision
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2015-06-24 14:25:39
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<MGChecker>
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Yes, but if yozu want to say 2017-2019 or 2018+-1, you can't to this but only save 2010s, which isn't an option, I think
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2015-06-24 14:25:50
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<MGChecker>
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Or if I know a quartet, but not the month
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2015-06-24 14:27:36
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<DanielK_WMDE_>
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MGChecker: it's actually possible via the API, but our parser for human readable input isn't smart enough for this at the moment.
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2015-06-24 14:28:22
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<MGChecker>
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It would be nice if it would be possible to define quarter as assitionaly precision
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2015-06-24 14:29:25
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<MGChecker>
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DanielK_WMDE_: Is there a Phab task about this problem that auch things aren't possible with GUI?
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2015-06-24 14:46:44
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<jzerebecki>
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Jonas_WMDE: http://wikidata.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Wikidata:Main_Page
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2015-06-24 16:39:32
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<jzerebecki>
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DanielK_WMDE_: should i add something about every deployed extension should be able to use their own composer.json to reuse our own components to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_focus_2015#Modularity_and_testability ?
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2015-06-24 17:47:31
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<benestar>
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JeroenDeDauw: eazy reviews https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/owner:Bene+status:open,n,z
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2015-06-24 17:47:35
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<benestar>
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!review
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2015-06-24 17:47:35
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<wm-bot>
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https://bit.ly/wdrieview
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2015-06-24 17:48:20
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<benestar>
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!nyanreview
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2015-06-24 17:49:50
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<DanielK_WMDE_>
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Lydia_WMDE: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102717
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2015-06-24 18:45:48
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<sjoerddebruin>
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I'm getting a lot of "page already exists" errors.
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2015-06-24 18:48:12
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<sjoerddebruin>
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Highly annoying, when you're working on family's.
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2015-06-24 18:48:21
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<sjoerddebruin>
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Geez, five times
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2015-06-24 18:48:52
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<sjoerddebruin>
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And counting.
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2015-06-24 18:55:40
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<sjoerddebruin>
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Lydia_WMDE: It's driving me mad. ^
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2015-06-24 18:55:50
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<Lydia_WMDE>
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sjoerddebruin: ohnoes!
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2015-06-24 18:55:54
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<Lydia_WMDE>
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what's happening?
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2015-06-24 18:56:17
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<sjoerddebruin>
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Getting errors on Special:NewItem about pages that are already existing but they don't.
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2015-06-24 18:56:30
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<sjoerddebruin>
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The last one I had to press the button 10 times.
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2015-06-24 18:56:36
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<Lydia_WMDE>
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Oo
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2015-06-24 18:56:39
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<Lydia_WMDE>
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hoo: ^
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2015-06-24 18:56:45
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<Lydia_WMDE>
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db being funny?
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2015-06-24 18:57:58
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<hoo>
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uhm... not good
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2015-06-24 18:58:00
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<hoo>
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looking
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2015-06-24 18:58:39
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<sjoerddebruin>
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There is good news: Magnus is working on his tools again. :) https://bitbucket.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/issue/14/change-p513-to-p1477-birth-name
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2015-06-24 19:00:12
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<Lydia_WMDE>
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\o/
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2015-06-24 19:00:33
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<hoo>
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sjoerddebruin: Can you paste the exact error you get, please?
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2015-06-24 19:01:51
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<sjoerddebruin>
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It's in Dutch, was trying in English but that seems working. "De pagina is niet aangemaakt. Deze bestaat al."
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2015-06-24 19:03:39
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<hoo>
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mh
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2015-06-24 19:04:00
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<hoo>
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there's a flood of items being created
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2015-06-24 19:04:30
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<sjoerddebruin>
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https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:NewPages
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2015-06-24 19:04:38
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<sjoerddebruin>
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So it can't reserve a ID?
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2015-06-24 19:04:53
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<hoo>
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It probably does, but then something else creates it in the process
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2015-06-24 19:05:05
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<sjoerddebruin>
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Anyway, the error is wrong then.
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2015-06-24 19:05:14
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<hoo>
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Technically not
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2015-06-24 19:05:17
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<hoo>
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The page exists
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2015-06-24 19:05:39
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<sjoerddebruin>
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:/
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2015-06-24 19:06:25
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<sjoerddebruin>
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GZWDer should do this stuff in European nights...
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2015-06-24 19:07:56
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<hoo>
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No, it should just work
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2015-06-24 19:12:05
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<hoo>
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sjoerddebruin: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/220551 should fix it
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2015-06-24 19:12:25
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<hoo>
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meh, based on wrong branch
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2015-06-24 19:14:41
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<hoo>
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sjoerddebruin: If this persists, please create bug for it, in taht case I can make sure we push for this faster. Otherwise that change will (hopefully) be on Wikidata next week
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2015-06-24 19:15:07
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<sjoerddebruin>
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Ok
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2015-06-24 20:37:37
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<kalle>
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hi everybody
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2015-06-24 20:39:18
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<kalle>
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i'm trying to figure out how to assemble an url that returns me the property P625 (coordinate) for a query on site=svwiki where the name is a unique location name
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2015-06-24 20:39:24
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<kalle>
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something like https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbgetentities&sites=svwiki&titles=Halmstad&format=json
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2015-06-24 20:39:42
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<kalle>
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but where i only get p625 back. can someone please assist me_
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2015-06-24 20:39:43
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<kalle>
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?
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2015-06-24 20:41:56
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<sjoerddebruin>
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Be patient. Looking at your question now. :)
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2015-06-24 20:43:32
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<sjoerddebruin>
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kalle: There was a relevant discussion in the project chat, this seems to do the job. https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbgetclaims&property=p625&entity=q26521&format=jsonfm
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2015-06-24 20:43:42
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<sjoerddebruin>
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See https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#API_usage for the discussion.
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2015-06-24 20:46:15
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<kalle>
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sjoerddebruin: thanks!
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2015-06-24 20:46:47
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<sjoerddebruin>
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np
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