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2018-08-01 11:52:15 <CFisch_remote> Where do I file complains about mistakenly banned usernames for this channel? ^^
2018-08-01 11:52:59 <CFisch_remote> ( mark / Sigyn if possible please un-ban Andrew-WMDE )
2018-08-01 12:00:53 <p858snake|L> the username is currently not banned
2018-08-01 12:03:52 <p858snake|L> CFisch_remote: can you confirm the username -NickServ- User seen : Jun 20 03:49:22 2018 (6w 0d 8h ago)
2018-08-01 12:04:21 <CFisch_remote> hmmm
2018-08-01 12:04:44 <CFisch_remote> He says
2018-08-01 12:04:46 <CFisch_remote> "You can’t change your nick to Andrew-WMDE while banned on #wikimedia-tech"
2018-08-01 12:05:15 <CFisch_remote> and he gets "#wikimedia-tech: Cannot send to channel"
2018-08-01 12:05:32 <CFisch_remote> maybe Andrew-WMDE-NA is banned?
2018-08-01 12:07:07 <CFisch_WMDE> p858snake|L: I am identified now
2018-08-01 12:07:43 <p858snake|L> Andrew-WMDE-NA: leave the channel, ID with Nickserv and rejoin
2018-08-01 12:07:55 <revi> is it network ban?
2018-08-01 12:08:09 <revi> network ban by sigyn should be fixed by freenode staff
2018-08-01 12:08:17 <revi> oh that...
2018-08-01 12:08:24 <revi> yeah leave channel, id, rejoin
2018-08-01 12:08:27 <revi> is always the fix
2018-08-01 12:08:27 <closedmouth> it's not the username
2018-08-01 12:08:39 <p858snake|L> nope, unid'ed users are banned in the global channel
2018-08-01 12:08:45 <revi> we have +r on -vans
2018-08-01 12:08:47 <revi> bans*
2018-08-01 12:08:48 <p858snake|L> due to recent spam issues
2018-08-01 12:08:54 <revi> thanks to our lovely spammers
2018-08-01 12:08:59 <revi> really lovely
2018-08-01 12:10:20 <CFisch_WMDE> I forwarded your input thanks for the help
2018-08-01 12:13:42 <p858snake|L> Its recommended to have irccloud (or any IRC client) to identify with NickServ via SASL when you connect
2018-08-01 12:14:14 <Andrew-WMDE> Thanks all!
2018-08-01 14:00:39 <wm-bot> Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 60 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @CFisch_WMDE & @chiborg - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
2018-08-01 14:50:49 <wm-bot> Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 10 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @CFisch_WMDE & @chiborg - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
2018-08-01 16:50:47 <wm-bot> I am running http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WM-Bot version wikimedia bot v. 2.8.0.0 [libirc v. 1.0.3] my source code is licensed under GPL and located at https://github.com/benapetr/wikimedia-bot I will be very happy if you fix my bugs or implement new features
2018-08-01 16:50:47 <Matthew_> @help
2018-08-01 22:00:54 <wm-bot> Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 60 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @bd808 & @mooeypoo - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
2018-08-01 22:08:17 <addshore> :>
2018-08-01 22:33:56 <bd808> T-minus 27 minutes to my first time hosting a Technical Advice IRC meeting :) 🐐
2018-08-01 22:36:32 <mooeypoo> And mine <3
2018-08-01 22:46:26 <brion> \o/
2018-08-01 22:50:20 <wm-bot> Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 10 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @bd808 & @mooeypoo - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
2018-08-01 22:59:11 <brion> drumroll
2018-08-01 23:00:08 <mooeypoo> And we're live!
2018-08-01 23:00:18 <AntiComposite> plays a trumpet
2018-08-01 23:00:19 <mooeypoo> Welcome to the Technical Advice IRC Meeting, everyone
2018-08-01 23:00:29 <jem> :)
2018-08-01 23:00:34 <bd808> We <3 🐐s
2018-08-01 23:00:40 <bd808> Hi jem
2018-08-01 23:00:47 <jem> Hi everyone
2018-08-01 23:00:55 <mooeypoo> We're here for questions and topics you want to discuss. For general info see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
2018-08-01 23:00:57 <mooeypoo> hey jem
2018-08-01 23:01:40 <bd808> So jem pre-announced a question about "Multilanguage SVG using <switch> vs Multiple SVGs with translations."
2018-08-01 23:02:03 <bd808> jem: can you give us more info about what you are hoping we can help you figure out?
2018-08-01 23:02:09 <jem> Sure
2018-08-01 23:02:36 <jem> Basically I want to know if there are reasons or arguments to endorse one option over the other
2018-08-01 23:03:05 <jem> Or to think that we will "migrating" all the svgs to one of the options
2018-08-01 23:03:16 <mooeypoo> jem: so this might be related -- there's a project in the 2017 community wishlist that is talking about SVG-Translate https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2017_Community_Wishlist_Survey/Multimedia_and_Commons/SVG-Translate
2018-08-01 23:03:33 <brion> a single base file is conceptually nice, especially if the base image may take on future edits, but it complicates editing a bit :)
2018-08-01 23:03:40 <mooeypoo> jem: the Community Tech team is now in the middle of analyzing this request and assessing what can be done. Is this related? can this help what you want to achieve?
2018-08-01 23:04:03 <jem> Maybe
2018-08-01 23:04:14 <bd808> oh look brion is here! I was going to say that he and bawolff are probably the people I would turn to about SVG magic
2018-08-01 23:04:19 <brion> :D
2018-08-01 23:04:41 <brion> i'm not sure the current state of the translation tools offhand though
2018-08-01 23:04:47 <jem> The point is that another user in eswiki village pump says that multilanguage svgs are a bad idea
2018-08-01 23:05:10 <jem> And I think the opposite, but I want to have "higher" opinions :)
2018-08-01 23:05:17 <brion> :D
2018-08-01 23:06:00 <brion> i think it depends on the available tooling mostly; what's good for people to use is what wins in practice
2018-08-01 23:06:24 <jem> Ok
2018-08-01 23:06:24 <brion> making separate files is _easier_ practically, if there's not a good enough editing tool
2018-08-01 23:06:35 <brion> that handles the multiple translations together
2018-08-01 23:07:08 <brion> but i think you do lose the advantage of having a common base image layer, if something gets updated in the original it's hard ti re-import it to all the copies
2018-08-01 23:07:10 <brion> *to
2018-08-01 23:07:23 <jem> That's the point
2018-08-01 23:07:32 <brion> :D
2018-08-01 23:08:17 <jem> So let's say we have a tool to make it easier: will Commons recommend to join all translations into multilanguage SVGs?
2018-08-01 23:08:22 <brion> given the tradeoffs i'd tend to prefer the multilingual svg myself :)
2018-08-01 23:09:19 <jem> (Or to make new uploads as multilanguage SVGs)
2018-08-01 23:10:20 <brion> sounds like a community question for commons :)
2018-08-01 23:11:07 <jem> Ok then :)
2018-08-01 23:11:26 <brion> i'm not sure of the current guidelines offhand
2018-08-01 23:11:37 <jem> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Translation_possible/Learn_more
2018-08-01 23:12:00 <jem> There is this page, which just explains both options
2018-08-01 23:12:12 <jem> But with no recommendation
2018-08-01 23:12:17 <brion> *nod*
2018-08-01 23:12:35 <brion> probably start with a note on the talk page suggesting making such a recommendation, then see who pokes back ;)
2018-08-01 23:12:50 <brion> i think there's an rfc proposal system in commons land as well, but this is getting away from my expertise :)
2018-08-01 23:12:50 <mooeypoo> Also, I'd look at this page anyways: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2017_Community_Wishlist_Survey/Multimedia_and_Commons/SVG-Translate
2018-08-01 23:13:12 <mooeypoo> It looks like the request/discussion about translateable SVGs is there too with some (quite a bunch) of community input
2018-08-01 23:14:54 <jem> Ok, for the moment I'm just interested in the village pump answer
2018-08-01 23:15:15 <jem> But I'll try to comment in Commons and see
2018-08-01 23:15:59 <mooeypoo> cool
2018-08-01 23:16:01 <jem> And I'm interested in any possible tool, I may even help with that work
2018-08-01 23:16:12 <jem> But in the long term, my task list is long :)
2018-08-01 23:16:20 <mooeypoo> that's familiar :)
2018-08-01 23:16:21 <brion> yay :)
2018-08-01 23:16:31 <jem> :)
2018-08-01 23:16:47 <mooeypoo> coolbeans. Are there any more topics we can help with? Anyone who needs a question answered or assistance?
2018-08-01 23:16:50 <bd808> Anyone else here to ask questions that I can hand off to brion? ;)
2018-08-01 23:17:02 <brion> :D
2018-08-01 23:17:21 <jem> (I have another last-minute question but I'll wait for others) :)
2018-08-01 23:17:43 <bd808> Go aheads and ask jem!
2018-08-01 23:17:47 <bd808> *ahead
2018-08-01 23:17:53 <jem> :)
2018-08-01 23:17:56 <jem> Ok then
2018-08-01 23:18:30 <jem> I've found a MediaWiki message untranslated and I'm confused about how to translate it in translatewiki
2018-08-01 23:18:49 <jem> https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=stable&user=&page=&wpdate=&tagfilter=&subtype=&uselang=qqx
2018-08-01 23:18:52 <jem> For example
2018-08-01 23:19:12 <jem> It's the (date) part, for all the logs
2018-08-01 23:19:14 <mooeypoo> Which message is untranslated?
2018-08-01 23:20:29 <mooeypoo> Are you talking about the (august) message?
2018-08-01 23:20:36 <mooeypoo> I can't immediately see which isn't translated in that full page
2018-08-01 23:20:38 <jem> Appears as "From date (and earlier)"
2018-08-01 23:20:58 <jem> And the qqx trick says its name is "date"
2018-08-01 23:21:02 <foks> is this the technical advice mth?
2018-08-01 23:21:06 <foks> mtg?*
2018-08-01 23:21:42 <jem> But https://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Date doesn't exist
2018-08-01 23:22:08 <Matiia> it's https://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Date/en
2018-08-01 23:22:36 <mooeypoo> awesome, thanks Matiia
2018-08-01 23:22:39 <brion> foks: yep!
2018-08-01 23:22:49 <jem> Oops
2018-08-01 23:22:54 <mooeypoo> I do agree this message is pretty confusing as just "date" for the key
2018-08-01 23:23:01 <mooeypoo> foks: yes it is, welcome
2018-08-01 23:23:04 <foks> brion, ah - there are people trying to get in but unregistered users are presently banned because of spambots
2018-08-01 23:23:29 <jem> Yes, I was also a bit confused with the name, but I should have checked more
2018-08-01 23:23:29 <mooeypoo> :\
2018-08-01 23:23:35 <jem> Gracias, Matiia :)
2018-08-01 23:23:39 <brion> :(
2018-08-01 23:23:44 <mooeypoo> jem: no problems, it *is* confusing!
2018-08-01 23:23:49 <foks> lemme try to fix
2018-08-01 23:23:58 <mooeypoo> uhm... I'm not sure if we can do anything about the ban on IRC... is it temporary?
2018-08-01 23:24:23 <bd808> folks: oh that's lame. I think the shared channel settings were set to +r today because of the spammer jerks
2018-08-01 23:25:08 <wmfgc-foks> perfect :)
2018-08-01 23:25:14 <mooeypoo> w00t
2018-08-01 23:25:45 <foks> will hang with the wmfgc for a sec in case spam starts
2018-08-01 23:25:48 <foks> continue! sorry to intrude.
2018-08-01 23:26:01 <bd808> thanks foks!
2018-08-01 23:26:03 <mooeypoo> thanks for that foks !
2018-08-01 23:26:17 <foks> You got it!
2018-08-01 23:26:32 <foks> (will alt-tab, pls ping direct if spam resumes)
2018-08-01 23:29:23 <jem> Ok, thanks for your help and now I go afk to sleep, see you in next TAIMs :)
2018-08-01 23:29:37 <mooeypoo> see ya, jem, thanks for coming!
2018-08-01 23:29:46 <foks> hm, unreg'd can't talk here
2018-08-01 23:31:20 <foks> YairRand__, try now?
2018-08-01 23:31:23 <YairRand__> test
2018-08-01 23:31:26 <foks> there we go
2018-08-01 23:31:29 <bd808> hi YairRand__
2018-08-01 23:31:29 <YairRand__> yay :)
2018-08-01 23:31:32 <mooeypoo> Ah! hi YairRand__
2018-08-01 23:31:33 <foks> Sorry :(
2018-08-01 23:31:46 <YairRand__> thank you very much foks
2018-08-01 23:31:49 <foks> np!
2018-08-01 23:31:54 <YairRand__> so anyway
2018-08-01 23:32:00 <YairRand__> I'm looking for design-related advice/suggestions regarding a userscript I'm working on ([[User:Yair rand/HistoryView.js]] on ENWP). anyone who could help with that?
2018-08-01 23:32:14 <mooeypoo> ooh
2018-08-01 23:32:57 <YairRand__> (short screencast of use here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:YairRandHistoryView.ogv )
2018-08-01 23:34:04 <mooeypoo> oh that's neat. Reminds me a bit of revision slider
2018-08-01 23:34:29 <mooeypoo> YairRand__: hm, design input are a good question. I'm trying to think if there's a specific person you could contact, or if there's a team or group available
2018-08-01 23:36:44 <mooeypoo> honestly, YairRand__ my recommendation is to send it on wikitech-l and ask for design input.
2018-08-01 23:38:04 <bd808> there is also https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design
2018-08-01 23:38:49 <YairRand__> huh, I didn't know there was a design mailing list. do people regularly ask for advice/suggestions there?
2018-08-01 23:39:13 <bd808> it looks like its been pretty quiet for the last few months
2018-08-01 23:40:20 <YairRand__> (checks archives) hmm...
2018-08-01 23:46:59 <mooeypoo> Any oter questions or topics we can help with, in the last 14 minutes?
2018-08-01 23:47:13 <mooeypoo> 13 now, that sentence took a while to type apparently
2018-08-01 23:47:24 <bd808> looks around for raised hands
2018-08-01 23:52:57 <bd808> (crickets)
2018-08-01 23:53:11 <brion> remixes crickets into applause
2018-08-01 23:54:05 <YairRand__> all cricket chirps are pretty much applauses
2018-08-01 23:54:11 <brion> :)
2018-08-01 23:54:16 <mooeypoo> good point!
2018-08-01 23:54:47 <brion> πŸ¦—πŸŽ»πŸ‘
2018-08-01 23:59:48 <mooeypoo> 15 seconds.

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