2018-08-01 11:52:15
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<CFisch_remote>
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Where do I file complains about mistakenly banned usernames for this channel? ^^
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2018-08-01 11:52:59
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<CFisch_remote>
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( mark / Sigyn if possible please un-ban Andrew-WMDE )
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2018-08-01 12:00:53
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<p858snake|L>
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the username is currently not banned
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2018-08-01 12:03:52
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<p858snake|L>
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CFisch_remote: can you confirm the username -NickServ- User seen : Jun 20 03:49:22 2018 (6w 0d 8h ago)
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2018-08-01 12:04:21
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<CFisch_remote>
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hmmm
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2018-08-01 12:04:44
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<CFisch_remote>
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He says
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2018-08-01 12:04:46
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<CFisch_remote>
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"You canβt change your nick to Andrew-WMDE while banned on #wikimedia-tech"
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2018-08-01 12:05:15
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<CFisch_remote>
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and he gets "#wikimedia-tech: Cannot send to channel"
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2018-08-01 12:05:32
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<CFisch_remote>
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maybe Andrew-WMDE-NA is banned?
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2018-08-01 12:07:07
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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p858snake|L: I am identified now
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2018-08-01 12:07:43
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<p858snake|L>
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Andrew-WMDE-NA: leave the channel, ID with Nickserv and rejoin
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2018-08-01 12:07:55
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<revi>
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is it network ban?
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2018-08-01 12:08:09
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<revi>
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network ban by sigyn should be fixed by freenode staff
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2018-08-01 12:08:17
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<revi>
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oh that...
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2018-08-01 12:08:24
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<revi>
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yeah leave channel, id, rejoin
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2018-08-01 12:08:27
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<revi>
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is always the fix
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2018-08-01 12:08:27
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<closedmouth>
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it's not the username
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2018-08-01 12:08:39
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<p858snake|L>
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nope, unid'ed users are banned in the global channel
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2018-08-01 12:08:45
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<revi>
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we have +r on -vans
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2018-08-01 12:08:47
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<revi>
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bans*
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2018-08-01 12:08:48
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<p858snake|L>
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due to recent spam issues
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2018-08-01 12:08:54
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<revi>
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thanks to our lovely spammers
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2018-08-01 12:08:59
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<revi>
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really lovely
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2018-08-01 12:10:20
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<CFisch_WMDE>
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I forwarded your input thanks for the help
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2018-08-01 12:13:42
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<p858snake|L>
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Its recommended to have irccloud (or any IRC client) to identify with NickServ via SASL when you connect
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2018-08-01 12:14:14
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<Andrew-WMDE>
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Thanks all!
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2018-08-01 14:00:39
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<wm-bot>
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Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 60 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @CFisch_WMDE & @chiborg - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
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2018-08-01 14:50:49
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Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 10 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @CFisch_WMDE & @chiborg - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
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2018-08-01 16:50:47
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<wm-bot>
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2018-08-01 16:50:47
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<Matthew_>
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@help
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2018-08-01 22:00:54
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<wm-bot>
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Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 60 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @bd808 & @mooeypoo - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
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2018-08-01 22:08:17
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<addshore>
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:>
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2018-08-01 22:33:56
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<bd808>
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T-minus 27 minutes to my first time hosting a Technical Advice IRC meeting :) π
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2018-08-01 22:36:32
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<mooeypoo>
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And mine <3
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2018-08-01 22:46:26
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<brion>
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\o/
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2018-08-01 22:50:20
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<wm-bot>
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Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 10 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @bd808 & @mooeypoo - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
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2018-08-01 22:59:11
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<brion>
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drumroll
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2018-08-01 23:00:08
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<mooeypoo>
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And we're live!
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2018-08-01 23:00:18
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<AntiComposite>
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plays a trumpet
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2018-08-01 23:00:19
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<mooeypoo>
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Welcome to the Technical Advice IRC Meeting, everyone
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2018-08-01 23:00:29
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<jem>
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:)
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2018-08-01 23:00:34
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<bd808>
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We <3 πs
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2018-08-01 23:00:40
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<bd808>
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Hi jem
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2018-08-01 23:00:47
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<jem>
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Hi everyone
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2018-08-01 23:00:55
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<mooeypoo>
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We're here for questions and topics you want to discuss. For general info see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
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2018-08-01 23:00:57
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<mooeypoo>
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hey jem
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2018-08-01 23:01:40
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<bd808>
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So jem pre-announced a question about "Multilanguage SVG using <switch> vs Multiple SVGs with translations."
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2018-08-01 23:02:03
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<bd808>
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jem: can you give us more info about what you are hoping we can help you figure out?
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2018-08-01 23:02:09
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<jem>
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Sure
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2018-08-01 23:02:36
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<jem>
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Basically I want to know if there are reasons or arguments to endorse one option over the other
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2018-08-01 23:03:05
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<jem>
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Or to think that we will "migrating" all the svgs to one of the options
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2018-08-01 23:03:16
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<mooeypoo>
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jem: so this might be related -- there's a project in the 2017 community wishlist that is talking about SVG-Translate https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2017_Community_Wishlist_Survey/Multimedia_and_Commons/SVG-Translate
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2018-08-01 23:03:33
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<brion>
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a single base file is conceptually nice, especially if the base image may take on future edits, but it complicates editing a bit :)
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2018-08-01 23:03:40
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<mooeypoo>
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jem: the Community Tech team is now in the middle of analyzing this request and assessing what can be done. Is this related? can this help what you want to achieve?
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2018-08-01 23:04:03
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<jem>
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Maybe
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2018-08-01 23:04:14
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<bd808>
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oh look brion is here! I was going to say that he and bawolff are probably the people I would turn to about SVG magic
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2018-08-01 23:04:19
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<brion>
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:D
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2018-08-01 23:04:41
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<brion>
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i'm not sure the current state of the translation tools offhand though
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2018-08-01 23:04:47
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<jem>
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The point is that another user in eswiki village pump says that multilanguage svgs are a bad idea
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2018-08-01 23:05:10
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<jem>
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And I think the opposite, but I want to have "higher" opinions :)
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2018-08-01 23:05:17
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<brion>
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:D
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2018-08-01 23:06:00
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<brion>
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i think it depends on the available tooling mostly; what's good for people to use is what wins in practice
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2018-08-01 23:06:24
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<jem>
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Ok
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2018-08-01 23:06:24
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<brion>
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making separate files is _easier_ practically, if there's not a good enough editing tool
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2018-08-01 23:06:35
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<brion>
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that handles the multiple translations together
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2018-08-01 23:07:08
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<brion>
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but i think you do lose the advantage of having a common base image layer, if something gets updated in the original it's hard ti re-import it to all the copies
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2018-08-01 23:07:10
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<brion>
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*to
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2018-08-01 23:07:23
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<jem>
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That's the point
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2018-08-01 23:07:32
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<brion>
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:D
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2018-08-01 23:08:17
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<jem>
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So let's say we have a tool to make it easier: will Commons recommend to join all translations into multilanguage SVGs?
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2018-08-01 23:08:22
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<brion>
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given the tradeoffs i'd tend to prefer the multilingual svg myself :)
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2018-08-01 23:09:19
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<jem>
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(Or to make new uploads as multilanguage SVGs)
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2018-08-01 23:10:20
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<brion>
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sounds like a community question for commons :)
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2018-08-01 23:11:07
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<jem>
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Ok then :)
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2018-08-01 23:11:26
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<brion>
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i'm not sure of the current guidelines offhand
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2018-08-01 23:11:37
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<jem>
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https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Translation_possible/Learn_more
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2018-08-01 23:12:00
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<jem>
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There is this page, which just explains both options
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2018-08-01 23:12:12
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<jem>
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But with no recommendation
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2018-08-01 23:12:17
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<brion>
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*nod*
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2018-08-01 23:12:35
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<brion>
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probably start with a note on the talk page suggesting making such a recommendation, then see who pokes back ;)
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2018-08-01 23:12:50
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<brion>
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i think there's an rfc proposal system in commons land as well, but this is getting away from my expertise :)
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2018-08-01 23:12:50
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<mooeypoo>
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Also, I'd look at this page anyways: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2017_Community_Wishlist_Survey/Multimedia_and_Commons/SVG-Translate
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2018-08-01 23:13:12
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<mooeypoo>
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It looks like the request/discussion about translateable SVGs is there too with some (quite a bunch) of community input
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2018-08-01 23:14:54
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<jem>
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Ok, for the moment I'm just interested in the village pump answer
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2018-08-01 23:15:15
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<jem>
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But I'll try to comment in Commons and see
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2018-08-01 23:15:59
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<mooeypoo>
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cool
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2018-08-01 23:16:01
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<jem>
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And I'm interested in any possible tool, I may even help with that work
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2018-08-01 23:16:12
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<jem>
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But in the long term, my task list is long :)
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2018-08-01 23:16:20
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<mooeypoo>
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that's familiar :)
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2018-08-01 23:16:21
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<brion>
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yay :)
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2018-08-01 23:16:31
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<jem>
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:)
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2018-08-01 23:16:47
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<mooeypoo>
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coolbeans. Are there any more topics we can help with? Anyone who needs a question answered or assistance?
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2018-08-01 23:16:50
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<bd808>
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Anyone else here to ask questions that I can hand off to brion? ;)
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2018-08-01 23:17:02
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<brion>
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:D
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2018-08-01 23:17:21
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<jem>
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(I have another last-minute question but I'll wait for others) :)
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2018-08-01 23:17:43
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<bd808>
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Go aheads and ask jem!
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2018-08-01 23:17:47
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<bd808>
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*ahead
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2018-08-01 23:17:53
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<jem>
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:)
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2018-08-01 23:17:56
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<jem>
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Ok then
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2018-08-01 23:18:30
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<jem>
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I've found a MediaWiki message untranslated and I'm confused about how to translate it in translatewiki
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2018-08-01 23:18:49
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<jem>
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https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=stable&user=&page=&wpdate=&tagfilter=&subtype=&uselang=qqx
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2018-08-01 23:18:52
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<jem>
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For example
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2018-08-01 23:19:12
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<jem>
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It's the (date) part, for all the logs
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2018-08-01 23:19:14
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<mooeypoo>
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Which message is untranslated?
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2018-08-01 23:20:29
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<mooeypoo>
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Are you talking about the (august) message?
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2018-08-01 23:20:36
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<mooeypoo>
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I can't immediately see which isn't translated in that full page
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2018-08-01 23:20:38
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<jem>
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Appears as "From date (and earlier)"
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2018-08-01 23:20:58
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<jem>
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And the qqx trick says its name is "date"
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2018-08-01 23:21:02
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<foks>
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is this the technical advice mth?
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2018-08-01 23:21:06
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<foks>
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mtg?*
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2018-08-01 23:21:42
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<jem>
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But https://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Date doesn't exist
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2018-08-01 23:22:08
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<Matiia>
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it's https://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Date/en
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2018-08-01 23:22:36
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<mooeypoo>
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awesome, thanks Matiia
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2018-08-01 23:22:39
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<brion>
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foks: yep!
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2018-08-01 23:22:49
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<jem>
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Oops
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2018-08-01 23:22:54
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<mooeypoo>
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I do agree this message is pretty confusing as just "date" for the key
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2018-08-01 23:23:01
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<mooeypoo>
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foks: yes it is, welcome
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2018-08-01 23:23:04
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<foks>
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brion, ah - there are people trying to get in but unregistered users are presently banned because of spambots
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2018-08-01 23:23:29
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<jem>
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Yes, I was also a bit confused with the name, but I should have checked more
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2018-08-01 23:23:29
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<mooeypoo>
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:\
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2018-08-01 23:23:35
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<jem>
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Gracias, Matiia :)
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2018-08-01 23:23:39
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<brion>
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:(
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2018-08-01 23:23:44
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<mooeypoo>
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jem: no problems, it *is* confusing!
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2018-08-01 23:23:49
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<foks>
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lemme try to fix
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2018-08-01 23:23:58
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<mooeypoo>
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uhm... I'm not sure if we can do anything about the ban on IRC... is it temporary?
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2018-08-01 23:24:23
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<bd808>
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folks: oh that's lame. I think the shared channel settings were set to +r today because of the spammer jerks
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2018-08-01 23:25:08
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<wmfgc-foks>
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perfect :)
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2018-08-01 23:25:14
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<mooeypoo>
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w00t
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2018-08-01 23:25:45
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<foks>
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will hang with the wmfgc for a sec in case spam starts
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2018-08-01 23:25:48
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<foks>
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continue! sorry to intrude.
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2018-08-01 23:26:01
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<bd808>
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thanks foks!
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2018-08-01 23:26:03
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<mooeypoo>
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thanks for that foks !
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2018-08-01 23:26:17
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<foks>
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You got it!
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2018-08-01 23:26:32
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<foks>
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(will alt-tab, pls ping direct if spam resumes)
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2018-08-01 23:29:23
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<jem>
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Ok, thanks for your help and now I go afk to sleep, see you in next TAIMs :)
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2018-08-01 23:29:37
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<mooeypoo>
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see ya, jem, thanks for coming!
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2018-08-01 23:29:46
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<foks>
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hm, unreg'd can't talk here
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2018-08-01 23:31:20
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<foks>
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YairRand__, try now?
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2018-08-01 23:31:23
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<YairRand__>
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test
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2018-08-01 23:31:26
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<foks>
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there we go
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2018-08-01 23:31:29
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<bd808>
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hi YairRand__
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2018-08-01 23:31:29
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<YairRand__>
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yay :)
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2018-08-01 23:31:32
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<mooeypoo>
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Ah! hi YairRand__
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2018-08-01 23:31:33
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<foks>
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Sorry :(
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2018-08-01 23:31:46
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<YairRand__>
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thank you very much foks
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2018-08-01 23:31:49
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<foks>
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np!
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2018-08-01 23:31:54
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<YairRand__>
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so anyway
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2018-08-01 23:32:00
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<YairRand__>
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I'm looking for design-related advice/suggestions regarding a userscript I'm working on ([[User:Yair rand/HistoryView.js]] on ENWP). anyone who could help with that?
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2018-08-01 23:32:14
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<mooeypoo>
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ooh
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2018-08-01 23:32:57
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<YairRand__>
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(short screencast of use here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:YairRandHistoryView.ogv )
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2018-08-01 23:34:04
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<mooeypoo>
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oh that's neat. Reminds me a bit of revision slider
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2018-08-01 23:34:29
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<mooeypoo>
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YairRand__: hm, design input are a good question. I'm trying to think if there's a specific person you could contact, or if there's a team or group available
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2018-08-01 23:36:44
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<mooeypoo>
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honestly, YairRand__ my recommendation is to send it on wikitech-l and ask for design input.
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2018-08-01 23:38:04
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<bd808>
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there is also https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design
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2018-08-01 23:38:49
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<YairRand__>
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huh, I didn't know there was a design mailing list. do people regularly ask for advice/suggestions there?
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2018-08-01 23:39:13
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<bd808>
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it looks like its been pretty quiet for the last few months
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2018-08-01 23:40:20
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<YairRand__>
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(checks archives) hmm...
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2018-08-01 23:46:59
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<mooeypoo>
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Any oter questions or topics we can help with, in the last 14 minutes?
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2018-08-01 23:47:13
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<mooeypoo>
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13 now, that sentence took a while to type apparently
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2018-08-01 23:47:24
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<bd808>
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looks around for raised hands
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2018-08-01 23:52:57
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<bd808>
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(crickets)
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2018-08-01 23:53:11
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<brion>
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remixes crickets into applause
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2018-08-01 23:54:05
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<YairRand__>
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all cricket chirps are pretty much applauses
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2018-08-01 23:54:11
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<brion>
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:)
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2018-08-01 23:54:16
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<mooeypoo>
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good point!
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2018-08-01 23:54:47
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<brion>
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π¦π»π
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2018-08-01 23:59:48
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<mooeypoo>
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15 seconds.
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