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2018-08-08 03:06:24
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<Ursula>
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I'm intermittently having issues with loading scripts from meta.wikimedia.org on en.wikipedia.org.
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2018-08-08 14:00:11
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<wm-bot>
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Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 60 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @leszek_wmde & @jakob_WMDE - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
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2018-08-08 14:50:08
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<wm-bot>
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Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 10 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @leszek_wmde & @jakob_WMDE - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
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2018-08-08 15:00:38
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<jakob_WMDE>
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welcome to today's Technical Advice IRC Meeting hosted today by leszek_wmde and me!
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2018-08-08 15:00:49
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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o/
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2018-08-08 15:00:57
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<jakob_WMDE>
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o/
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2018-08-08 15:01:33
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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is not leszek_wmde, just to avoid confusion ^^
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2018-08-08 15:02:17
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<jakob_WMDE>
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we have one open question from Lucas_WMDE which Leszek (who will be here any minute now) promised to look into
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2018-08-08 15:02:33
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<jakob_WMDE>
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does anyone else have any questions for now? :)
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2018-08-08 15:05:25
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<leszek_wmde>
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So let's maybe pick the topic from the list: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
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2018-08-08 15:05:53
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<leszek_wmde>
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Lucas_WMDE: you've asked: we might need something like a {{USERLANGUAGE}} magic word. Such a magic word has been requested for ages (phabricator:T4085), and would in the past have caused problems with the cache; I would appreciate any information on how feasible it would be to introduce this today
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2018-08-08 15:05:54
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<stashbot>
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T4085: Add a {{USERLANGUAGE}}/{{USERLANG}} magic word - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T4085
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2018-08-08 15:06:10
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<leszek_wmde>
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Lucas_WMDE: that is the very interesting question indeed
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2018-08-08 15:06:58
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<leszek_wmde>
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Lucas_WMDE: disclaimer to begin with I am not the parser expert
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2018-08-08 15:07:47
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<leszek_wmde>
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Lucas_WMDE: I am concerned though that if I understand the idea behind parser cache right, having some magic word like this would practically mean disabling parser cache functionality for the page using this magic word
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2018-08-08 15:07:59
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<hoo>
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On multi-lang wikis that would be fine to have (we split the PC by user lang there often anyway)
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2018-08-08 15:08:09
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<hoo>
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On monolinguals this would not be acceptable
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2018-08-08 15:08:58
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<hoo>
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But shaping the concept slightly differently like a target language might work :)
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2018-08-08 15:08:59
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<leszek_wmde>
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Lucas_WMDE: unless Parser could be taught to handle somehow a "slot" that shouldn't be cached
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2018-08-08 15:09:24
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<leszek_wmde>
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Lucas_WMDE: but I am not sure if this is even feasible, so I might be talking pure nonsense here
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2018-08-08 15:09:36
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<d3r1ck>
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jakob_WMDE, Lucas_WMDE, o/
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2018-08-08 15:09:54
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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well, dewiki has MediaWiki:Lang to effectively provide {{USERLANGUAGE}} (masquerading as {{int:Lang}})
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2018-08-08 15:10:01
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<jakob_WMDE>
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d3r1ck: o/
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2018-08-08 15:10:01
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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does that mean when they use {{int:Lang}} they break the cache?
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2018-08-08 15:10:13
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<leszek_wmde>
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I see parser wizards like DanielK_WMDE and tgr are in the channel. Maybe they'd have some thoughts on this topic?
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2018-08-08 15:10:15
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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(wikidata has the same trick, and I don’t know how many other wikis as well)
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2018-08-08 15:10:18
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<hoo>
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Lucas_WMDE: Yeah
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2018-08-08 15:10:48
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<hoo>
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in practice this might be ok (if only used on few pages and almost all users have German set anyway)
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2018-08-08 15:11:57
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<d3r1ck>
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hoo: Recently, I updated my Wikibase and got some issues around ItemId object
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2018-08-08 15:12:07
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<hoo>
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PC is basically a key-value store… and on mono-lingual pages the user language is not part of the key, while on multilinguals it is
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2018-08-08 15:12:12
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<d3r1ck>
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I tried but no way to fix and I had to reinstall WB from scratch
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2018-08-08 15:12:29
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<d3r1ck>
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I dropped the questions on #wikidata, let me fetch the logs
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2018-08-08 15:12:35
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<jakob_WMDE>
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d3r1ck: class not found errors?
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2018-08-08 15:12:48
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<d3r1ck>
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jakob_WMDE: Yeah, let me search the logs
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2018-08-08 15:13:35
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<chicocvenancio>
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I have a task that I need some help https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T201374
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2018-08-08 15:13:35
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<chicocvenancio>
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Basically one of the images from the 500px site my tool allows to import into commons is triggering a safety check for .jar files. Is there an automated way to change the image to be complaint with the check?
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2018-08-08 15:13:38
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<leszek_wmde>
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hoo: so Lucas_WMDE asks in the context of T200814, which, potentially "might be ok" to use a hack like int:Lang. Although the number of pages might a bit more than a few. So I sadly cannot provide much help, sorry
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2018-08-08 15:13:38
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<stashbot>
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T200814: Use language names instead of language codes in edit summaries - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200814
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2018-08-08 15:13:43
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<jakob_WMDE>
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d3r1ck: we recently made it a requirement to load Wikibase classes from mediawiki using the composer merge plugin
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2018-08-08 15:14:13
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<d3r1ck>
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jakob_WMDE: Ohh I see
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2018-08-08 15:14:21
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<jakob_WMDE>
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d3r1ck: so these issues are likely to go away if you add a `composer.local.json` to your mediawiki directory
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2018-08-08 15:14:23
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<hoo>
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leszek_wmde: Oh, we're talking about edit summaries?
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2018-08-08 15:14:30
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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leszek_wmde: but we shouldn’t really encode that int:Lang hack directly into Wikibase
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2018-08-08 15:14:31
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<leszek_wmde>
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hoo: yes
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2018-08-08 15:14:32
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<tgr>
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I'm nowhere near a parser wizard, but FWIW Commons uses {{USERLANGUAGE}} and it's not on fire yet
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2018-08-08 15:14:34
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<hoo>
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In that case this can be done… those are not cached anyway
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2018-08-08 15:14:44
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<tgr>
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not sure how feasible it is for more wikis
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2018-08-08 15:14:55
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<hoo>
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they also use a different "parser"
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2018-08-08 15:15:02
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<d3r1ck>
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jakob_WMDE: Here is the error "extensions/Wikibase/lib/WikibaseLib.entitytypes.php: Class 'Wikibase\DataModel\Entity\ItemId' not found"
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2018-08-08 15:15:03
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<leszek_wmde>
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Lucas_WMDE: yes, encoding this into wikibase wouldn't be possible of course. That would be per wiki only
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2018-08-08 15:15:12
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<hoo>
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And Wikibase stuff even has more specific stuff to turn summaries into HTML
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2018-08-08 15:15:25
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<hoo>
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so in edit summaries this is perfectly feasible
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2018-08-08 15:15:30
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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tgr: how does Commons use it? is there some extension that provides this which is only enabled on Commons?
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2018-08-08 15:15:43
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<d3r1ck>
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jakob_WMDE: So maybe the documentation on Wikibase should be updated? So one know exactly what to do?
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2018-08-08 15:15:44
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<tgr>
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no, same int:lang trick
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2018-08-08 15:15:48
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<hoo>
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Even if the magic word were to exist, you couldn't use it in edit summaries
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2018-08-08 15:15:55
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<hoo>
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edit summaries don't use the real parser
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2018-08-08 15:15:55
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<leszek_wmde>
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hoo: oh right they do. So wikibase should "only" somehow mimic the behaviour of whatever parser does for int:lang?
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2018-08-08 15:16:08
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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ah, ok
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2018-08-08 15:16:08
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<hoo>
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Kind of, yes
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2018-08-08 15:16:09
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<tgr>
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they used to use it pretty heavily as a template localization mechanism though
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2018-08-08 15:16:36
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<leszek_wmde>
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chicocvenancio: reading up task you mentioned
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2018-08-08 15:16:46
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<d3r1ck>
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jakob_WMDE: Assuming I didn't redo the whole installation, is there a work around on how to fix that?
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2018-08-08 15:17:23
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<leszek_wmde>
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d3r1ck this looks like class autoloading issue. This have actually changed slightly in Wikibase very recently
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2018-08-08 15:17:25
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<jakob_WMDE>
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d3r1ck: which installation guide did you follow? I had a quick look and found that https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase/Installation and the readme https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/diffusion/EWBA/browse/master/README.md$53 already have the pointer to the composer merge plugin there
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2018-08-08 15:18:09
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<hoo>
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I only updated the mediawiki.org page today
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2018-08-08 15:18:34
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<jakob_WMDE>
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d3r1ck: adding `composer.local.json` with the JSON it has in the two links I just mentioned should do the trick :)
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2018-08-08 15:18:34
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<hoo>
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so revisiting it might make sense… installation via running composer in Wikibase no longer works
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2018-08-08 15:18:41
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<jakob_WMDE>
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oh, thanks hoo!
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2018-08-08 15:20:33
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<d3r1ck>
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hoo: Thanks for updating :)
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2018-08-08 15:21:04
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<d3r1ck>
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jakob_WMDE: Yeah, hoo just saved the day :D
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2018-08-08 15:21:13
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<Niridya>
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hello ;) do you have news about this task https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T64987 ?
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2018-08-08 15:21:51
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<jakob_WMDE>
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d3r1ck: great! :)
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2018-08-08 15:22:06
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<Reedy>
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Niridya: It looks like it's blocked on an upstream bug
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2018-08-08 15:22:45
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<DanielK_WMDE>
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leszek_wmde: the output of all slots is cached together. so if one slot is not cached, nothign is
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2018-08-08 15:23:17
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<leszek_wmde>
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there you go. I new I should not be using the word "slot" without a disclaimer I don't mean anything related to MCR :)
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2018-08-08 15:23:18
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<Niridya>
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Reedy oh ! and does a task exist for this bug ?
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2018-08-08 15:23:28
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<leszek_wmde>
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I meant part of the actual page/slot
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2018-08-08 15:23:45
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<leszek_wmde>
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but it also turned out that it all is not related to parser cache apparently DanielK_WMDE
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2018-08-08 15:23:48
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<d3r1ck>
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There's been a pending patch, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase/+/367320, maybe Theimo can throw more lights?
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2018-08-08 15:23:52
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<Reedy>
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https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739329 -> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/librsvg/issues/95
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2018-08-08 15:24:02
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<d3r1ck>
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jakob_WMDE: Lydia had to give some pointers on what to do after that patch
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2018-08-08 15:24:41
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<DanielK_WMDE>
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leszek_wmde: non-cached bits and pieces are possible but hack: cache a placeholder in the text, "hydrate" later. core does this for edit links. wikibase does this for the term box
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2018-08-08 15:24:54
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<Niridya>
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Reedy so it's not a problem in our side. thanks ;)
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2018-08-08 15:25:29
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<Niridya>
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Reedy and do you have news about https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T174374 ?
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2018-08-08 15:26:26
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<Reedy>
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Niridya: Nope. If there's been no comments, changes of status, or dependent bugs added/removed, chances are there's no updates
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2018-08-08 15:26:32
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<d3r1ck>
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jakob_WMDE: Tomorrow will clock 1 year that the patch has been around :)
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2018-08-08 15:27:01
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<Niridya>
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Reedy thanks ;)
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2018-08-08 15:28:29
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<jakob_WMDE>
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d3r1ck: I'm taking a look at it right now. Unfortunately Thiemo is on leave this week, but I could try to ping him about it next week
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2018-08-08 15:28:46
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<d3r1ck>
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jakob_WMDE: ohh thank you very much :)
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2018-08-08 15:29:12
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<d3r1ck>
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I'm pretty sure that task has a lot of poking around to do in order to get it resolved
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2018-08-08 15:29:26
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<d3r1ck>
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Some discussions as per whether it should be done or not and why etc
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2018-08-08 15:30:13
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<leszek_wmde>
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chicocvenancio: sorry for taking that long to get back to you
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2018-08-08 15:30:36
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<leszek_wmde>
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chicocvenancio: sadly I am not aware of automatic ways to "fix" images like that
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2018-08-08 15:31:17
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<chicocvenancio>
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:(
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2018-08-08 15:31:46
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<leszek_wmde>
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chicocvenancio: it is an annoying bug though
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2018-08-08 15:32:03
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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if the {{USERLANGUAGE}} discussion is over I’ll log off for now, see you all
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2018-08-08 15:32:31
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<chicocvenancio>
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leszek_wmde: On the "exif has html tags" I managed to pad the jpeg and that solved it
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2018-08-08 15:33:00
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<chicocvenancio>
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But this doesn't seem as easy
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2018-08-08 15:33:25
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<jakob_WMDE>
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d3r1ck: I added myself to the reviewer list and will try to have a look as soon as I'm not swamped with other stuff ;)
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2018-08-08 15:33:44
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<leszek_wmde>
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chicocvenancio: do you maybe have any hint what part of the jpeg file might be involved?
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2018-08-08 15:33:50
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<d3r1ck>
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jakob_WMDE: Sure :)
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2018-08-08 15:34:05
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<leszek_wmde>
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I am not sure how deep did you manage to dig into this really chicocvenancio :)
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2018-08-08 15:34:17
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<chicocvenancio>
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Apparently the end bytes
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2018-08-08 15:35:00
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<chicocvenancio>
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IE6 ignored mime types and tried to figure out filetypes from content
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2018-08-08 15:35:48
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<chicocvenancio>
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And hiding a jar in images was an attack vector. Because it not only looked at the beginning of the file, but the end as well
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2018-08-08 15:36:27
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<chicocvenancio>
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And apparently some innocent images trigger this by accident
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2018-08-08 15:36:45
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<chicocvenancio>
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(not sure what IE6 would do with them...)
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2018-08-08 15:37:08
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<leszek_wmde>
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chicocvenancio: oh
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2018-08-08 15:37:10
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<Reedy>
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own your computer
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2018-08-08 15:37:53
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<chicocvenancio>
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So basically I am looking for a lossless process to change the ending of the image file into something that won't make it seem like a zip file
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2018-08-08 15:38:31
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<chicocvenancio>
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Reedy: I mean I'm not sure what IE6 would do with the innocent images that look like zip files...
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2018-08-08 15:38:58
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<chicocvenancio>
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Not the maliciously created ones
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2018-08-08 15:40:42
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<Reedy>
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It's quite possible you're just getting a false positive in the MW detection
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2018-08-08 15:41:04
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<chicocvenancio>
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Indeed
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2018-08-08 15:41:22
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<d3r1ck>
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Just a notice lately when I use flow. When I want to mention someone using the @<name>, once it inserts the name of the person mentioned, the cursor moves to the beginning of the name rather than the end of the name, is it intentional?
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2018-08-08 15:42:34
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<leszek_wmde>
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chicocvenancio: how frequent those false positives are, do you have any estimate?
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2018-08-08 15:47:16
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<d3r1ck>
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I'm also wondering how watchlist link behaves lately on wikis, has someone seen this? https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200656, Andre gave some hints already
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2018-08-08 15:47:44
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<chicocvenancio>
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leszek_wmde: Not very frequent, 1 in 40k if the 500px is a random sample
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2018-08-08 15:47:58
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<leszek_wmde>
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chicocvenancio: not that I am happy to give such advice, but if the case are really rare, maybe some manual fixing (like the file save again etc) would be good enough
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2018-08-08 15:48:04
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<leszek_wmde>
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chicocvenancio: oh, 1 in 40k
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2018-08-08 15:48:39
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<leszek_wmde>
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chicocvenancio: sorry to not have better thing to offer than hope this is a really an edge case :)
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2018-08-08 15:49:11
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<chicocvenancio>
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Thanks for thinking about it, leszek_wmde
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2018-08-08 15:50:10
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<leszek_wmde>
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chicocvenancio: you're welcome
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2018-08-08 15:50:20
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<d3r1ck>
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jakob_WMDE: Is it possible to have interwiki Categories? Something like this: [[mw:Category:Some category]]?
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2018-08-08 15:50:47
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<d3r1ck>
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That is coming in handy, I remember I wanted to use that sometime ago
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2018-08-08 15:51:32
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<d3r1ck>
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Assuming I'm on Meta-Wiki and want to add a category that is on MediaWiki wiki and don't want to create it on Meta-Wiki, can I do [[mw:Category:Some category]]?
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2018-08-08 15:52:18
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<Reedy>
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No
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2018-08-08 15:52:21
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<jakob_WMDE>
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d3r1ck: ohh, that is outside of my expertise unfortunately. can someone else in the channel offer help regarding that?
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2018-08-08 15:52:23
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<Reedy>
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That'll link to it
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2018-08-08 15:53:06
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<d3r1ck>
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Reedy: Is interwiki categories useful at all? Maybe a use case to see if this can be tried out or something?
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2018-08-08 15:53:14
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<d3r1ck>
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jakob_WMDE: Okay, np
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2018-08-08 15:53:23
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<apergos>
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afaik there is no cross-category capability, a caegory exists on the local wiki and is in the table, or it isn't
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2018-08-08 15:53:28
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<apergos>
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*category
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2018-08-08 15:53:44
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<d3r1ck>
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apergos: Okay! :)
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2018-08-08 15:55:11
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<apergos>
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some categories do have interwiki links already. example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Privacy_law
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2018-08-08 15:55:30
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<Reedy>
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yay, wikidata
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2018-08-08 16:00:39
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<jakob_WMDE>
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and that concludes today's Technical Advice IRC Meeting! thanks everyone for participating and for the questions!
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2018-08-08 16:00:49
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<jakob_WMDE>
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see you! :)
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2018-08-08 16:00:55
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<apergos>
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thanks for running it!
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2018-08-08 16:01:33
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<leszek_wmde>
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thanks guys and make sure you join the next meeting on August, 15th!
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2018-08-08 18:29:29
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<revi>
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let's say admin who is int-admin deleted a CSS page, and later admin who IS NOT an int-admin tries to undelete that page. Is this possible (after the transition period is over)?
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2018-08-08 18:30:03
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<revi>
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(I know admin who is not int-admin won't be allowed to delete the page after the transition)
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2018-08-08 18:30:44
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<revi>
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(maybe tgr knows?)
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2018-08-08 18:34:49
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<Urbanecm>
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Good question revi
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2018-08-08 18:45:05
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<ToBeCloud>
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receiving 503s
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2018-08-08 18:45:22
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<sjoerddebruin>
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problem is known
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2018-08-08 18:45:36
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<ToBeCloud>
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I was almost sure :) thanks
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2018-08-08 18:46:24
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<ToBeCloud>
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yep they're working on it
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2018-08-08 18:47:30
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<apergos>
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to people reporting issues, there's some network things happening
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2018-08-08 18:47:35
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<apergos>
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and folsk are looking at it
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2018-08-08 18:48:39
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<Bencemac>
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it is back
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2018-08-08 19:17:28
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<apergos>
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investigation of this issue is still ongoing
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2018-08-08 19:55:15
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<Nemo_bis>
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revi: Usually actions on a title require the permission to edit that title. Per-namespace protections should not be affected by deletion.
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2018-08-08 19:55:44
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<Nemo_bis>
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(I've not checked the specific implementation here.)
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2018-08-08 19:56:01
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<Hauskatze>
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Nemo_bis: I think revi is now sleeping :)
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2018-08-08 19:56:45
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<Nemo_bis>
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writes for posterity
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2018-08-08 22:00:08
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<wm-bot>
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Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 60 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @CFisch_WMDE & @chiborg - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
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2018-08-08 22:02:04
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<chicocvenancio>
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^is this accurate ?
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2018-08-08 22:03:22
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<quiddity>
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chicocvenancio, no :/ It was last week, but not this week.
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2018-08-08 22:23:25
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<bd808>
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chicocvenancio, quiddity: I sent addshore and Fisch an email about the logic bug in their notification bot. It misfired today because of a sneaky bash type coercion problem.
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2018-08-08 22:23:25
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<quiddity>
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ty!
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2018-08-08 22:23:53
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<bd808>
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$(date "+%d") -gt 7 -- today that turned into "08" -gt "7" instead of 8 -gt 7 as they had hoped
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2018-08-08 22:24:27
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<bd808>
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Changing to $(date "+%e") should fix the bug
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2018-08-08 22:31:35
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<jem>
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Hi everyone, wm-bot4 is inviting to a technical meeting in half an hour in #wikimedia-bots, which is wrong
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2018-08-08 22:50:12
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<wm-bot>
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Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 10 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @CFisch_WMDE & @chiborg - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
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