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2018-10-03 12:34:33
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<samwalton9>
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Does anyone know if there's a list somewhere of all the projects included in the RecentChanges EventStream?
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2018-10-03 12:35:42
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<Krenair>
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samwalton9, I would assume it includes all public, in-cluster wikis?
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2018-10-03 12:36:13
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<samwalton9>
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Does that include outreach.wikimedia.org, do you know?
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2018-10-03 12:36:54
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<Krenair>
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alex@alex-laptop:~/Development/Wikimedia/Operations-MediaWiki-Config (master)$ grep outreachwiki dblists/all.dblist
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2018-10-03 12:36:55
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<Krenair>
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outreachwiki
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2018-10-03 12:36:55
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<Krenair>
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alex@alex-laptop:~/Development/Wikimedia/Operations-MediaWiki-Config (master)$ grep outreachwiki dblists/private.dblist
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2018-10-03 12:36:55
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<Krenair>
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alex@alex-laptop:~/Development/Wikimedia/Operations-MediaWiki-Config (master)$
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2018-10-03 12:36:57
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<Krenair>
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yes
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2018-10-03 12:37:06
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<samwalton9>
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Awesome, thanks :)
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2018-10-03 12:37:21
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<Krenair>
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can just make an edit there and find out
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2018-10-03 12:38:05
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<samwalton9>
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Yeah I was going to do that but wondered if there might be a comprehensive list somewhere, rather than me having to go around making edits to check :D
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2018-10-03 12:38:40
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<Krenair>
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Services like this don't generally get to keep their own lists of allowed wikis. It should be criteria based and the rules should be in MediaWiki.
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2018-10-03 12:38:58
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<Krenair>
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(MediaWiki config)
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2018-10-03 13:38:24
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<revi>
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quick edge case question: if someone has my password but fails on 2FA, will it be logged as successful or failed login?
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2018-10-03 13:39:35
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<Reedy>
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I'd hope failed... But I can't guarantee
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2018-10-03 13:39:59
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<Reedy>
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(not looked at the code)
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2018-10-03 13:40:11
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<Bsadowski1>
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Hopefully nobody has your password, revi :P
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2018-10-03 13:40:44
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<revi>
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obviously haha
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2018-10-03 13:41:11
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<revi>
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I usually don't care about my password, I let password manager do the job
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2018-10-03 13:41:32
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<Reedy>
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Is it hypothetical? Or do you need me to look at the logs?
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2018-10-03 13:41:38
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<revi>
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hypothetical
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2018-10-03 13:42:00
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<revi>
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I am in front of public PC and was logging to WP with my alt, and wondered that
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2018-10-03 13:54:40
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<Platonides>
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supposing they don't even provide the 2nd factor, it will probably be an incomplete login
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2018-10-03 14:00:09
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<wm-bot>
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Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 60 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @subbu & @tgr - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
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2018-10-03 14:50:10
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<wm-bot>
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Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 10 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @subbu & @tgr - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
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2018-10-03 15:01:34
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<subbu>
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Hello! Welcome to the Technical Advice IRC meeting. tgr and I are happy to help answer your questions.
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2018-10-03 15:01:47
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<tgr>
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Hi all!
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2018-10-03 15:02:31
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<tgr>
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Please ask you questions! Every topic is OK, the worst that can happen is that we don't know the answer.
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2018-10-03 15:03:10
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<subbu>
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Besides English, I can also answer queries in Hindi & Kannada.
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2018-10-03 15:03:14
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<tgr>
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This time you can also ask in Hungarian / ez alkalommal magyarul is kérdezhettek!
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2018-10-03 15:03:32
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<andre__>
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o/
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2018-10-03 15:07:00
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<stjn>
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Question with regards to https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113346 – I was looking yesterday around the code and couldn’t find any API that would provide customisation for first heading on special pages. Have I missed anything or is this not possible (in that task, we need to provide a parameter into default heading)?
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2018-10-03 15:08:40
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<subbu>
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Looking at the ticket now.
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2018-10-03 15:09:07
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<tgr>
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stjn: you need to override SpecialPage::getDescription()
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2018-10-03 15:09:52
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<tgr>
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note that that changes both the title and the page name as seen on places like Special:SpecialPages
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2018-10-03 15:14:09
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<tgr>
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the exact control flow is SpecialPage::execute calling setHeaders which calls $outputPage->setPageTitle( $this->getDescription() )
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2018-10-03 15:14:46
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<stjn>
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Thank you very much for this. Not a straightforward name :-)
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2018-10-03 15:34:30
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<[1997kB]>
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hi.. the new preferences is buggy..
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2018-10-03 15:34:37
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<d3r1ck>
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o/
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2018-10-03 15:34:53
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<d3r1ck>
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[1997kB]: What is buggy about it please? :)
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2018-10-03 15:35:16
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<d3r1ck>
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Could you share with us
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2018-10-03 15:36:11
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<[1997kB]>
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when I open, it shows all the tabs in one tab for the moment and then after scroll it fixes automatically
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2018-10-03 15:36:41
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<d3r1ck>
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hmm... I've not had this behavior
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2018-10-03 15:37:43
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<d3r1ck>
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[1997kB]: Could it have been an issue with internet lag? Not quite sure but I've not had that experience
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2018-10-03 15:37:59
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<[1997kB]>
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i am getting this every time when I open at first, but when I switches between tabs it's fine..
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2018-10-03 15:38:08
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<d3r1ck>
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[1997kB]: Maybe you could emmmm file a task about it and screen shot the behavior you get (if possible)?
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2018-10-03 15:38:19
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<[1997kB]>
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no.. is that because i am on mobile?
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2018-10-03 15:38:21
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<subbu>
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is it a flash of unstyled content" issue? i.e. the CSS takes a little bit to apply?
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2018-10-03 15:38:35
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<subbu>
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or, does it not apply at all till you scroll or click on a tab?
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2018-10-03 15:38:46
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<d3r1ck>
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Mobile, let me try that now
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2018-10-03 15:39:44
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<tgr>
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[1997kB]: can you file a Phabricator ticket about it?
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2018-10-03 15:40:02
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<tgr>
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ideally, with a video or animated gif showing what's happening
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2018-10-03 15:40:05
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<d3r1ck>
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agrees with tgr
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2018-10-03 15:40:11
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<[1997kB]>
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i can..
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2018-10-03 15:40:15
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<tgr>
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and information about your browser and your connection
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2018-10-03 15:40:35
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<[1997kB]>
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what info about connection?
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2018-10-03 15:41:07
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<tgr>
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what is your connection type, what is your connection speed
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2018-10-03 15:41:48
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<tgr>
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if you want to go all out you could attach a HAR recording of your browser traffic, after cleaning private data, but that's a bit of an effort
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2018-10-03 15:41:48
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<[1997kB]>
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alright.. thanks you everyone.
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2018-10-03 15:42:09
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<[1997kB]>
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HAR recording?
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2018-10-03 15:42:42
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<tgr>
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most browsers these days have a "save as HAR" option in their developer panels
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2018-10-03 15:43:11
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<tgr>
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it contains basically the same information you'd see in the network tab of the developer pannel
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2018-10-03 15:43:22
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<[1997kB]>
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i don't think Opera mini for mobile have this..
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2018-10-03 15:43:28
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<tgr>
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what requests the browser sent, what responses it received, cookies, exact timing
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2018-10-03 15:43:38
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<tgr>
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oh, you are using Opera Mini?
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2018-10-03 15:43:45
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<[1997kB]>
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yes..
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2018-10-03 15:44:00
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<tgr>
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yeah, probably not possible then
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2018-10-03 15:44:20
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<tgr>
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just test your connection speed and mention it so someone can try to reproduce
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2018-10-03 15:44:41
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<[1997kB]>
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does Chrome have HAR recording?
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2018-10-03 15:44:45
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<stjn>
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Did a patch based on tgr's help here: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/464170 Theoretically should do the job.
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2018-10-03 15:45:47
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<tgr>
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Chrome does, yeah: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whNW8mzHCbo
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2018-10-03 15:46:06
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<tgr>
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but then behavior in Chrome and Opera Mini might be very different
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2018-10-03 15:46:16
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<tgr>
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especially if you use Opera's proxy feature
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2018-10-03 15:46:19
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<[1997kB]>
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the mobile one?.
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2018-10-03 15:47:17
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<tgr>
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hm, not sure. Opera uses Chrome's rendering engine these days I think?
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2018-10-03 15:47:36
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<tgr>
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anyway probably best not to very about HARs unless asked on the ticket
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2018-10-03 15:47:44
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<[1997kB]>
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alright..
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2018-10-03 15:47:58
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<tgr>
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maybe the developers do not need it at all to understand what's happening
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2018-10-03 15:48:25
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<subbu>
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stjn, you seem to have a typo there: "inContentLnaguage"
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2018-10-03 15:48:47
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<subbu>
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jenkins will probably tell you anyway :)
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2018-10-03 15:49:23
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<subbu>
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or not ..
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2018-10-03 15:50:54
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<stjn>
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Oh. Thanks :-D
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2018-10-03 16:00:21
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<subbu>
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tgr looks like we are done for this round?
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2018-10-03 16:00:45
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<tgr>
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yeah. Thanks everyone for participating!
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2018-10-03 16:01:52
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<tgr>
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there will be another Tech Advice Hour later today, in a timezone that's nicer for those in the Americas (23:00 UTC)
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2018-10-03 16:02:31
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<subbu>
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thanks!
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2018-10-03 16:02:34
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<tgr>
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and of course this is a support channel so feel free to ask questions outside meeting hours as well, it just might take longer to get an answer
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2018-10-03 17:13:59
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<[1997kB]>
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hey I'M receiving- Exception: No configured storage engine can store this file. See "Configuring File Storage" in the documentation for information on configuring storage engines. when uploading video to phab.
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2018-10-03 17:14:18
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<paladox>
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how big is it?
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2018-10-03 17:14:25
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<[1997kB]>
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10mb
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2018-10-03 17:14:36
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<paladox>
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i think thats bigger then the max limit we have set
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2018-10-03 17:15:08
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<[1997kB]>
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what's the max?
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2018-10-03 17:15:28
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<paladox>
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i think 8mb
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2018-10-03 17:16:02
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<tgr>
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you can always upload it to Commons or some random internet storage service like Dropbox or Google Drive
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2018-10-03 17:18:58
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<Der_Keks>
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Hello, can you tell me where I can find the source for the VisualEditor?
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2018-10-03 17:21:36
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<Krenair>
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Der_Keks, the core or the bit that integrates with ME?
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2018-10-03 17:23:29
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<Krenair>
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MW*
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2018-10-03 17:24:12
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<MatmaRex>
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https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VisualEditor#Download
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2018-10-03 17:31:19
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<[1997kB]>
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tgr: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T206143
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2018-10-03 17:32:38
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<tgr>
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thanks [1997kB]
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2018-10-03 17:34:22
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<tgr>
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huh, that looks pretty bad
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2018-10-03 17:34:35
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<tgr>
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do you know what connection speed you have?
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2018-10-03 17:35:11
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<[1997kB]>
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~5mbps
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2018-10-03 17:35:41
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<andre__>
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I can confirm that bug.
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2018-10-03 17:36:35
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<tgr>
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can't be a speed issue then, the whole page is around 200K
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2018-10-03 17:36:51
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<tgr>
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andre__: also on Opera Mini?
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2018-10-03 17:37:05
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<Der_Keks>
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thanks MatmaRex
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2018-10-03 17:37:11
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<[1997kB]>
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also it happens on Chome for Android.
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2018-10-03 17:37:24
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<andre__>
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tgr: Firefox on Fedora
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2018-10-03 18:26:16
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<Der_Keks>
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I want to understand the technical background of Babel on meta. User:AKlapper_(WMF) has the following code on his userpage (meta): "{{babel-plain|Phabricator}}". I get the Phabricator-block in german and want to understand why. The second thing is that I cannot find the Phabricator-block on meta. In the de.wiki... for example I can access the code of the Babel-block "User_de" with calling https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:U
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2018-10-03 18:26:16
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<Der_Keks>
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ser_de. Can someone clearify me up?
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2018-10-03 18:42:06
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<Platonides>
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Der_Keks: the babel is provided by a MediaWiki extension
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2018-10-03 18:42:33
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<Der_Keks>
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so it's not like in my "well known" de wiki?
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2018-10-03 18:42:35
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<Platonides>
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https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Babel
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2018-10-03 18:42:41
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<Platonides>
|
?
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2018-10-03 18:43:22
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<Platonides>
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ah
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2018-10-03 18:43:28
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<Platonides>
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this seems like a hack
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2018-10-03 18:43:34
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<Der_Keks>
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?
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2018-10-03 18:43:46
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<Platonides>
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phabricator is not strictly a language people would speak
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2018-10-03 18:44:24
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<Der_Keks>
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yeah but the block can detect which clanguage i've chosen
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2018-10-03 18:44:25
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<Platonides>
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although if someone really masters phabricator, he is probably AKlapper
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2018-10-03 18:44:37
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<Der_Keks>
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ok i'll ask him directly :)
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2018-10-03 18:44:52
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<Platonides>
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I'm looking
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2018-10-03 18:45:00
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<Der_Keks>
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oh ok thx
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2018-10-03 18:45:10
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<Platonides>
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as for the language you see it in, that's because you have the interface in German
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2018-10-03 18:45:28
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<Platonides>
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the phabricator text is probably on a MediaWiki: message
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2018-10-03 18:45:56
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<Der_Keks>
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can you tell me how to get the link to the phabricator-block?
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2018-10-03 18:46:33
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<Der_Keks>
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on the dewiki it's https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:**NameOfBabelBlock** (Template)
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2018-10-03 18:46:54
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<Der_Keks>
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or with a ":" at the beginning in another namespace like user:
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2018-10-03 18:47:59
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<Der_Keks>
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so if i want to get the english-2 block i need to call https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:User_en-2
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2018-10-03 18:48:25
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<Der_Keks>
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this logic does not work on meta
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2018-10-03 18:48:58
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<Platonides>
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the template you want is https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:User_Phabricator
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2018-10-03 18:50:24
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<Der_Keks>
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ah ok. The reference in the source on aklapper's userpage is just "phabricator". Is it always with "User_*"?
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2018-10-03 18:50:50
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<Platonides>
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first of all
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2018-10-03 18:50:55
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<Platonides>
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on meta: it uses Babel extension
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2018-10-03 18:51:05
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<Platonides>
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while on dewiki you seem to be using a template-based version
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2018-10-03 18:51:11
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<Der_Keks>
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and that's not the same like in the wikis?
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2018-10-03 18:51:13
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<Der_Keks>
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ok
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2018-10-03 18:51:28
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<Der_Keks>
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thank you nice to know
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2018-10-03 18:51:38
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<Platonides>
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or maybe it's just that for en-2 there's a customized version... :P
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2018-10-03 18:51:41
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<Platonides>
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as for the name
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2018-10-03 18:51:57
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<Der_Keks>
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you helped me very much thank youi
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2018-10-03 18:51:58
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<Platonides>
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it is given by the contents of [[MediaWiki:Babel-template]]
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2018-10-03 18:52:00
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<Platonides>
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https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Babel-template
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2018-10-03 18:52:21
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<Platonides>
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which will be almost always Template:user_*
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2018-10-03 18:52:24
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<Der_Keks>
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ah I see
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2018-10-03 18:52:29
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<Platonides>
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as that's the default
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2018-10-03 18:52:50
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<Platonides>
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but on dewiki you could have changed it to eg. Vorlage:Benutzer_$1
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2018-10-03 18:53:09
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<Der_Keks>
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puh that cleared the mystic fog :)
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2018-10-03 18:55:39
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<Platonides>
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:)
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2018-10-03 18:58:35
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<Der_Keks>
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that explains why the block from dewiki ":de:User:Torana/Vorlage:NazisRaus" could not be imported: the extension does "Template:User :de:User:Torana/Vorlage:NazisRaus"
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2018-10-03 20:15:02
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<Urbanecm>
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Hi, is there any "working" gerrit test instance? I found gerrit-test.wmflabs.org and gerrit-new.wmflabs.org, both do not accept ssh connections on the gerrit's port. Thanks!
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2018-10-03 20:17:10
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<paladox>
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Urbanecm hi, there's https://gerrit.git.wmflabs.org/r/
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2018-10-03 20:17:25
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<Urbanecm>
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thank you paladox, looking
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2018-10-03 20:18:06
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<Urbanecm>
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silly question, how can I create credentials? Pressing sign up directs me to wikitech and my wikitech creds do not work
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2018-10-03 20:18:09
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<Urbanecm>
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paladox, ^^
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2018-10-03 20:18:25
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<paladox>
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Urbanecm you sign up at http://ldapauth-gitldap.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page
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2018-10-03 20:18:32
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<paladox>
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*https://ldapauth-gitldap.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page
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2018-10-03 20:19:24
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<Urbanecm>
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account from https://ldapauth-gitldap.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page doesn't work either
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2018-10-03 20:19:42
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<paladox>
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Urbanecm https://ldapauth-gitldap.wmflabs.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CreateAccount&returnto=Main+Page
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2018-10-03 20:19:57
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<paladox>
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you then use the username and password to login into https://gerrit.git.wmflabs.org/r/
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2018-10-03 20:20:11
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<Urbanecm>
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I just created account there, but the username and password do not work on gerrit.git.wmflabs.org
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2018-10-03 20:20:18
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<Urbanecm>
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It's called UrbanecmTest
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2018-10-03 20:20:24
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<paladox>
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hmm
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2018-10-03 20:21:36
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<paladox>
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Urbanecm try now
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2018-10-03 20:21:56
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<paladox>
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oh
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2018-10-03 20:21:59
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<paladox>
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found it
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2018-10-03 20:21:59
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<Urbanecm>
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still Authentication failed.
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2018-10-03 20:22:15
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<paladox>
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Urbanecm try now
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2018-10-03 20:22:39
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<Urbanecm>
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I'm in, thanks!
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2018-10-03 20:23:06
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<Urbanecm>
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BTW, do you know if there are any plans on how to the new UI of gerrit working on prod gerrit by default?
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2018-10-03 20:23:29
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<paladox>
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Urbanecm yep, as soon as we update to 2.16 it will be made the default
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2018-10-03 20:23:35
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<paladox>
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as upstream have made it the default
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2018-10-03 20:23:53
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<paladox>
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with the old ui now being offically deprecated and will be removed in the next release
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2018-10-03 20:24:08
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<Urbanecm>
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Ok, thanks Are there some time estimates on when our gerrit will be updated to 2.16?
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2018-10-03 20:24:23
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<paladox>
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Nope, 2.16 has not be branched yet.
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2018-10-03 20:24:37
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<Urbanecm>
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ok, thank you!
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2018-10-03 20:24:44
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<paladox>
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some users have called for it to be branched so it can be released at there next hackathon next month.
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2018-10-03 20:24:59
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<Urbanecm>
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you mean, gerrit's hackathon?
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2018-10-03 20:25:04
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<paladox>
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yep
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2018-10-03 20:25:13
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<paladox>
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https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/repo-discuss/uVQbBOC9IeU
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2018-10-03 20:25:40
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<Urbanecm>
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Ok, thank you. BTW, can you make the button sign up on gerrit.git.wmflabs.org to point to ldapauth-gitldap.wmflabs.org?
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2018-10-03 20:26:02
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<paladox>
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i could but that would require me to create a custom patch on the puppet master
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2018-10-03 20:26:40
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<Urbanecm>
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would that be a problem?
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2018-10-03 20:27:53
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<paladox>
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Not really
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2018-10-03 20:28:29
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<Urbanecm>
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Hmm. I tried to add my SSH key to test gerrit. I got "Server error: Internal server error" :(
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2018-10-03 20:29:09
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<paladox>
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done
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2018-10-03 20:29:12
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<paladox>
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hmm
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2018-10-03 20:29:14
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<paladox>
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looks
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2018-10-03 20:29:47
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<paladox>
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oh
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2018-10-03 20:29:54
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<paladox>
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it's using some old mail soy files
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2018-10-03 20:30:09
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<Urbanecm>
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I don't know what is "may soy file" :(
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2018-10-03 20:31:05
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<paladox>
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Urbanecm try now
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2018-10-03 20:31:15
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<paladox>
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Urbanecm it's files in the backend that generate the emails you get
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2018-10-03 20:31:44
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<Urbanecm>
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It says "Gerrit is down. We're working on bringing it back as soon as possible.
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2018-10-03 20:31:44
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<Urbanecm>
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Please follow along the discussion at #wikimedia-operations on freenode as we debug." now
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2018-10-03 20:33:29
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<paladox>
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hmm
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2018-10-03 20:34:28
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<paladox>
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Urbanecm try now
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2018-10-03 20:35:01
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<Urbanecm>
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works, thank you!
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2018-10-03 20:35:29
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<paladox>
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your welcome :)
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2018-10-03 21:49:19
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<ankry>
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@seen bawolf
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2018-10-03 21:49:19
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<wm-bot>
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ankry: I have never seen bawolf
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2018-10-03 21:50:54
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<Niharika>
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@seen bawolff
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2018-10-03 21:50:54
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<wm-bot>
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Niharika: Last time I saw bawolff they were quitting the network with reason: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 52.9.0/20180621064021] N/A at 10/3/2018 12:17:11 AM (21h33m42s ago)
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2018-10-03 22:00:17
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<wm-bot>
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Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 60 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @bawolff - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
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2018-10-03 22:50:20
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<wm-bot>
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Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 10 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @bawolff - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
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2018-10-03 22:50:41
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<jdlrobson>
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\o bawolff just to let you know im around :)
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2018-10-03 22:50:49
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<bawolff>
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What happened to my co-hosts? ;)
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2018-10-03 22:51:47
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<bawolff>
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Oh I guess its just us to, I thought there was a third signed up
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2018-10-03 22:51:50
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<bawolff>
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*two
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2018-10-03 22:52:34
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<bawolff>
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Anyways, exciting times
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2018-10-03 22:53:12
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<bawolff>
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Also, I guess this meeting is likely to attract unregistered users, any chance I can be an op for the duration of the meeting (/me looks at Isarra )
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2018-10-03 22:54:26
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<bd808>
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ugh. +r here is going to block unregistered users completely right?
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2018-10-03 22:55:14
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<bawolff>
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I think they are just invisible to non-ops
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2018-10-03 22:55:26
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<bawolff>
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and then ops can voice them once they have realized they are not spam
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2018-10-03 22:55:32
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<bawolff>
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*POWER*
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2018-10-03 22:55:36
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<bawolff>
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Thank you
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2018-10-03 22:56:16
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<bd808>
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bawolff: I just tried via webchat.freenonde.net and got kicked directly into #wikimedia-overflow
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2018-10-03 22:56:24
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<bawolff>
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oh, :(
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2018-10-03 22:56:45
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<Isarra>
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Can it just be turned off for the time being?
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2018-10-03 22:57:12
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<bawolff>
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I think that's best
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2018-10-03 22:57:28
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<bawolff>
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We could turn it back on in an hour
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2018-10-03 22:57:51
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<bd808>
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I think its worth trying personally, but do not have the ULTIMATE POWER!!! needed to do so
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2018-10-03 22:58:10
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<bawolff>
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Do i now that I'm an op
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2018-10-03 22:58:16
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<bawolff>
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doesn't know how irc works
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2018-10-03 22:58:35
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<bawolff>
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Is that right?
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2018-10-03 22:58:44
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<paladox>
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yep
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2018-10-03 22:58:54
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<bd808>
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yeah. let me try again with the web gateway
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2018-10-03 23:00:11
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<bd_test>
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waves to other self. Hi bd808
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2018-10-03 23:01:54
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<jdlrobson>
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haha
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2018-10-03 23:02:11
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<jdlrobson>
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just to check.. there's no real life hangout for this, right? Just IRC?
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2018-10-03 23:02:31
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<bd808>
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looks around for people to bug bawolff and jdlrobson with good questions
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2018-10-03 23:02:56
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<bawolff>
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I'm in the library today, so hangout doesn't really work for me
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2018-10-03 23:03:04
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<bd808>
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jdlrobson: yeah, irc only although you and bawolff may want a backchannel of some sort if multiple people show up
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2018-10-03 23:03:17
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<jdlrobson>
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fine with me :)
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2018-10-03 23:05:12
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<jdlrobson>
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Every question is helpful :)
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2018-10-03 23:06:02
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<jdlrobson>
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I mostly work with the mobile parts of MediaWiki - MobileFrontend, Minerva and the frontend parts of mediawiki-core (for better or worse!) so have lots of expertise in those areas if you are curious about anything, unsure about something, want to help with something in those areas
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2018-10-03 23:06:30
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<bd808>
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jdlrobson: while waiting for more interesting questions... are you working on an projects right now that you'd like to tell us about? I know you have done some interesting things with notifications and feeds in the past
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2018-10-03 23:07:56
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<geniice>
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does the mobil site play nicely with notches?
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2018-10-03 23:09:19
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<bd808>
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geniice: do you mean phones that have a speaker/mic that poke down into the display field?
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2018-10-03 23:09:48
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<geniice>
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I think so? I'm still using a flip phone
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2018-10-03 23:10:54
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<jdlrobson>
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we've not done anything specific in that area so i doubt it does
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2018-10-03 23:11:08
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<bawolff>
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is trying to google image search this
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2018-10-03 23:11:29
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<bd808>
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I think that would be handled by the web browser on the device. The iPhone X is one phone that I know got some press for its "notch" -- https://www.cnet.com/pictures/phones-with-notches/
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2018-10-03 23:11:29
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<jdlrobson>
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can you educate me ? Are there any sites that make use of this well? Is there any use cases you have in mind?
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2018-10-03 23:11:57
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<jdlrobson>
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ah interesting
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2018-10-03 23:12:12
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<jdlrobson>
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im an Android user so I can't say i've looked into this
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2018-10-03 23:12:15
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<geniice>
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jdlrobson the iPhone version will play videos in a manner that overlays the notch. You also lose anything else at the top of the broser if the phone is held upright
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2018-10-03 23:12:32
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<bawolff>
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So the screen area is not a rectangle? That seems kind of silly
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2018-10-03 23:12:45
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<bawolff>
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Technology man, I'll never understand
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2018-10-03 23:12:52
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<geniice>
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anroid uses the space for status stuff and just blacks out the screen for videos leaving a rectangle
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2018-10-03 23:13:52
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<jdlrobson>
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The mobile site does have a web manifest (https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Manifest) which is in w3c draft (https://w3c.github.io/manifest/)
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2018-10-03 23:14:13
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<jdlrobson>
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some changes were just pushed to tweak the android status bar display
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2018-10-03 23:14:28
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<jdlrobson>
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https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T204691
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2018-10-03 23:14:46
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<jdlrobson>
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I'm curious now how things look in iOS X with the notch :)
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2018-10-03 23:15:06
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<jdlrobson>
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boots up browser stack
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2018-10-03 23:15:28
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<geniice>
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does the WMF have test divices?
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2018-10-03 23:15:46
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<jdlrobson>
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so it looks like the notch is not part of the browser, so we do play well
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2018-10-03 23:16:12
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<jdlrobson>
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we do. We have a cabinet with some physical devices in the office and since lots of us are remote there's other test devices around the world
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2018-10-03 23:16:39
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<James_F>
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https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/qle6h97o/1538608594.JPG
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2018-10-03 23:16:40
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<jdlrobson>
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when distributing remotely we generally encourage different people to have different phones
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2018-10-03 23:17:00
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<jdlrobson>
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https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ZHAZ7XCS/Screen%20Shot%202018-10-03%20at%204.16.46%20PM.png
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2018-10-03 23:17:02
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<James_F>
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(From a real device in my hands.)
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2018-10-03 23:17:09
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<jdlrobson>
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James_F: helpful :)
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2018-10-03 23:17:11
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<geniice>
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so who gets lumbered with the wierd chinese things?
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2018-10-03 23:17:19
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<jdlrobson>
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geniice: also using browserstack for testing
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2018-10-03 23:17:34
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<bawolff>
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There's some interesting old devices on the office wiki page about it
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2018-10-03 23:17:36
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<jdlrobson>
|
browser stack has good coverage for ios and android
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2018-10-03 23:18:22
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<James_F>
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Unless you want to test very old stuff. Testing the oojs library in Safari 5 (with which we have nominal compatibility) isn't possible, for instance.
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2018-10-03 23:18:27
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<bawolff>
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Like old phones that don't support html
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2018-10-03 23:18:48
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<jdlrobson>
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most obscure device i have available is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_Asha_501 :)
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2018-10-03 23:19:42
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<jdlrobson>
|
generally we test for where the traffic is https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Compatibility#Browser_support_matrix
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2018-10-03 23:20:05
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<jdlrobson>
|
UC browser and Opera Mini are interesting to us
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2018-10-03 23:20:10
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<jdlrobson>
|
as we see lots of mobile traffic on those browsers
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2018-10-03 23:20:40
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<jdlrobson>
|
the former is luckily quite a decent browser. The latter has lots of issues (and we have a contact in Opera we generally ping about those issues).
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2018-10-03 23:20:52
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<bd808>
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jdlrobson: I could look in my closet for crappy old phones to donate to you. I think I still have a couple generations of blackberry devices from around 2006 and may have a first gen palm pilot
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2018-10-03 23:22:05
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<jdlrobson>
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It would be really cool if wikimedia could provide a device lab in SF :) https://www.devicelab.org/
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2018-10-03 23:22:15
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<jdlrobson>
|
bd808: i think the office gladly accepts donations :)
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2018-10-03 23:22:48
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<jdlrobson>
|
In terms of current projects mobile team is looking at:
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2018-10-03 23:23:13
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<jdlrobson>
|
We are working on better editing tools https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Advanced_mobile_contributions Several things on the go right now relating to that.
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2018-10-03 23:23:15
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<jdlrobson>
|
One I'm interested in is that the mobile site has some sub-par mobile-only special pages that replace desktop pages (e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jdlrobson + https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Watchlist, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:History/Spain ). I'm interested in making some changes in core's code to support removing those.
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2018-10-03 23:23:28
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<jdlrobson>
|
* pdf rendering via a chromium based service (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T181084)
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2018-10-03 23:23:55
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<jdlrobson>
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counting client side errors to hopefully make a case for having Sentry in production (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T205582)
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2018-10-03 23:24:29
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<geniice>
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has anyone looked into uploading mobile generated 3d scans?
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2018-10-03 23:24:29
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<jdlrobson>
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and modernising the tooling for building the complicated JavaScript the mobile site has (using webpack)
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2018-10-03 23:24:38
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<jdlrobson>
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not 3d scans no
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2018-10-03 23:24:44
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<jdlrobson>
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but we used to provide photo uploading via mobile
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2018-10-03 23:24:48
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<jdlrobson>
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but that didn't go so well..
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2018-10-03 23:25:21
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<bawolff>
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hmm, tbf, the selfie-apocolypse seems much less likely with 3d scans than photos
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2018-10-03 23:25:44
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<jdlrobson>
|
trying to find a link...
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2018-10-03 23:26:10
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<jdlrobson>
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bawolff: the issue is if you provide the ability to upload 3d photos
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2018-10-03 23:26:20
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<jdlrobson>
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you are also providing the ability to upload selfies :)
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2018-10-03 23:26:42
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<jdlrobson>
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The challenge is making uploading photos via web easy but not too easy that it invites selfies :)
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2018-10-03 23:26:57
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<bawolff>
|
I thought we were talking about like 3d models from sketch-up. Can phones really take sterographic photos now a days?
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2018-10-03 23:27:56
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<James_F>
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bawolff: Some can, e.g. the Google VR-focussed tablet.
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2018-10-03 23:28:16
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<bawolff>
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That's cool, technology marches forward
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2018-10-03 23:36:08
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<jdlrobson>
|
i can't find any links right now relating to the photo upload experiment
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2018-10-03 23:43:36
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<geniice>
|
It was painful
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2018-10-03 23:46:03
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<bawolff>
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*crickets*
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2018-10-03 23:46:20
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<jdlrobson>
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:)
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2018-10-03 23:46:23
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<bd808>
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bawolff: but you are here! thank you for that
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2018-10-03 23:46:55
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<bawolff>
|
Today's question to ponder: If a build fails in the forest, and nobody is there for jerkins-bot to spam, does it still fail?
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2018-10-03 23:47:38
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<bd808>
|
is any build a failure or is it just a learning opprotunity?
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2018-10-03 23:47:56
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<bd808>
|
deep thoughts™
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2018-10-03 23:49:46
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<bawolff>
|
I mostly have learned I hate putting a space between control structures and opening parenthesis
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2018-10-03 23:50:00
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<bawolff>
|
foreach( ... ) is the cause of like 50% of my test failures
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2018-10-03 23:54:19
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<jdlrobson>
|
i have to go now but it's been good to hang out :)
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2018-10-03 23:54:38
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<bawolff>
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Thanks for co-hosting :)
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2018-10-03 23:56:36
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<bd808>
|
You can always setup a git hook to run the code formatter against your patches before they are committed bawolff
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2018-10-03 23:57:29
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<bd808>
|
that's pretty standard in the golang communities I've seen. just make the tools figure out what matches the style guide
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2018-10-03 23:57:42
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<bawolff>
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bd808: Ideally i need something that runs it only on changed files. It takes too long to run it on all of mediawiki core
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2018-10-03 23:57:52
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<bawolff>
|
Ideally I could also do this for phpunit tests
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2018-10-03 23:59:29
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<bd808>
|
the hook would make limiting to changed files pretty easy. you can examine the commit contents and modify them in a pre-commit hook
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2018-10-03 23:59:44
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<bd808>
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and phpcs should work on tests just as well on other code
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