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2019-10-16 09:19:08 <ST47> tools.wmflabs.org seems to be timing out at the moment
2019-10-16 13:01:16 <Daimona> Hello, could someone please help me with user rights on the beta cluster?
2019-10-16 13:01:26 <hauskater> Daimona: sure
2019-10-16 13:01:32 <Daimona> Thanks :)
2019-10-16 13:01:36 <hauskater> cinquemille
2019-10-16 13:01:38 <hauskater> :P
2019-10-16 13:02:02 <Daimona> DannyS712 asked me to be added to global developers but I have no idea how to do that 0:)
2019-10-16 13:02:25 <hauskater> You file a task on Phab for #wikitech.wikimedia.org
2019-10-16 13:02:36 <hauskater> but afaik there's no 'global devs'
2019-10-16 13:02:52 <hauskater> it's been a while that I don't look at the list over there though
2019-10-16 13:03:21 <Daimona> There's one: https://deployment.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:GlobalGroupPermissions/developer
2019-10-16 13:03:32 <Daimona> Though I don't know anything else
2019-10-16 13:04:31 <hauskater> I see
2019-10-16 13:05:27 <hauskater> I don't think there would be any issues adding you there. Please file a task and if no one objects we can add you :)
2019-10-16 13:06:00 <hauskater> did I say wikitech project? Scratch that, beta cluster infraestructure
2019-10-16 13:06:28 <hauskater> post-lunch coffee not yet flowing properly :)
2019-10-16 13:06:43 <Daimona> Danny wants to be added, not me :)
2019-10-16 13:06:49 <Daimona> I don't even know what that group is for
2019-10-16 13:06:58 <Daimona> As I said, I'm completely ignorant about that :D
2019-10-16 13:07:12 <Daimona> Will open a task anyway, thanks :)
2019-10-16 13:07:17 <hauskater> Ah, well, the process is the same for anyone
2019-10-16 13:35:25 <hauskater> Daimona: fwiw to grant global privs you can use https://deployment.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:GlobalUserRights
2019-10-16 14:00:24 <wm-bot> Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 60 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
2019-10-16 14:50:22 <wm-bot> Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 10 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
2019-10-16 14:54:24 <James_F> I’ll be happy to help answer questions for the Advice meeting if there aren’t any hosts (per the bot).
2019-10-16 14:54:47 <Lucas_WMDE_> we have a WMDE host in the spreadsheet, but no WMF host yet (at least as of ~20 mins ago)
2019-10-16 14:54:57 <Lucas_WMDE_> guess the wiki page wasn’t updated yet
2019-10-16 14:55:36 <James_F> Right.
2019-10-16 14:56:00 <James_F> I’m stuck on a train right now waiting for it to move, so I’m all ears.
2019-10-16 14:56:47 <hauskater> James_F: well, since you volunteered, I was wondering if we shall implement Umherirrender's comments at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth/+/329810/
2019-10-16 14:56:53 <hauskater> see last comment
2019-10-16 14:57:00 <hauskater> or if it is okay to merge as-is
2019-10-16 14:57:37 <James_F> Hmm. Might be simpler to use the built-in function.
2019-10-16 14:57:48 <James_F> When it changes later you get it for free.
2019-10-16 14:58:07 <hauskater> also, having https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth/+/475930/ would be a dream to come true
2019-10-16 14:58:21 <hauskater> but I think it kinda requires a more paused review
2019-10-16 14:58:26 <hauskater> idk
2019-10-16 14:58:52 <James_F> That’ll need DBA assistance to make the production schema changes first.
2019-10-16 14:59:09 <James_F> With back-compat/forwards-compat code.
2019-10-16 14:59:37 <James_F> But it makes sense as a feature.
2019-10-16 15:00:16 <hauskater> Given that we already have temporary local user rights, it'd be awesome to have the global counterpart
2019-10-16 15:00:21 <James_F> Yeah.
2019-10-16 15:00:36 <hauskater> I guess Melos is waiting to have that patch reviewed before asking DBAs for help?
2019-10-16 15:01:04 <James_F> Possibly. Will look later.
2019-10-16 15:01:41 <tgr> I can also answer questions for the first half
2019-10-16 15:01:56 <James_F> Thanks, tgr
2019-10-16 15:02:56 <hauskater> If you can take that look later James_F that'd be awesome. I think tgr does too some CentralAuth stuff iirc
2019-10-16 15:03:12 <hauskater> I'll ask Manuel A. too
2019-10-16 15:05:06 <James_F> tgr knows far more about CentralAuth code than I do. :-) But I can do a quick review.
2019-10-16 15:05:47 <tgr> the expiry patch makes sense, I can't commit to review it anytime soon though
2019-10-16 15:05:47 <hauskater> Thanks both, I appreciate your time
2019-10-16 15:05:54 <Reedy> Easiest way is just to split that schema change into a different patch. Get it reviewed, merged
2019-10-16 15:06:04 <James_F> Yeah.
2019-10-16 15:06:06 <tgr> feel free to poke me in a month if it hasn't moved by then
2019-10-16 15:06:06 <Reedy> Then merge the code using it when WMF schema changes are all done
2019-10-16 15:06:17 <James_F> But we should check that the schema change is right first. :-)
2019-10-16 15:06:22 <tgr> the other patch needs to be rewritten as James says
2019-10-16 15:07:53 <hauskater> I was also doing Reedy's proposed task to update some extensions to use manifest_version 2 and I'm stuck at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/mediawiki/extensions/AntiSpoof/+/539727/
2019-10-16 15:08:31 <hauskater> the script also converted the unicode stuff into words and I'm not sure if we should keep the original u+numbers stuff or it's okay as it's now
2019-10-16 15:08:48 <tgr> the other timestampts in the centralauth DB use varchar, not varbinary
2019-10-16 15:09:33 <tgr> I think MediaWiki is inconsistent in general, but maybe you'd want to be consistent within a single extension at least
2019-10-16 15:09:52 <hauskater> I agree
2019-10-16 15:16:28 <Reedy> should be trivial enough things to fix
2019-10-16 15:16:30 <Reedy> and to split
2019-10-16 15:16:40 <Reedy> DBA review should be easy enough too
2019-10-16 15:21:20 <Reedy> hauskater: For the AntiSpoof, I'd just revert the unicode changes
2019-10-16 15:22:57 <James_F> Hmm. I think we can expect code editors to be Unicode-safe nowadays.
2019-10-16 15:23:17 <hauskater> Reedy: okay, I'm waiting for jenkins for the phan change
2019-10-16 15:23:33 <Reedy> James_F: That feels like a "famous last words"
2019-10-16 15:23:37 <Reedy> I'd hope you're right though
2019-10-16 15:23:55 <James_F> Reedy: Ha.
2019-10-16 15:24:15 <hauskater> So I'll just use the \u1234 format?
2019-10-16 15:24:42 <hauskater> yay, v+2
2019-10-16 15:24:50 <James_F> Sure.
2019-10-16 15:26:30 <tgr> yeah, use the \u format
2019-10-16 15:26:45 <hauskater> Amending
2019-10-16 15:26:52 <tgr> there is no difference but less of a pain in the ass to find out which character it is
2019-10-16 15:26:58 <Reedy> heh
2019-10-16 15:27:22 <James_F> hauskater: Seen my query on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/Memento/+/543151 ?
2019-10-16 15:27:27 <tgr> I wouldn't blame the script, they have the same PHP representation
2019-10-16 15:27:33 <James_F> tgr: Less?
2019-10-16 15:27:45 <James_F> Surely, more?
2019-10-16 15:27:59 <hauskater> James_F: yeah, but I don't know the answer. I see there's another .sh file there and that was the only one which was publicly executable.
2019-10-16 15:28:11 <James_F> hauskater: Eh. Let's merge for now.
2019-10-16 15:28:34 <tgr> I guess you get a vague idea at least (except for the ones which are just tofu) but U numbers are easier to goole for
2019-10-16 15:28:43 <hauskater> If you hear a blast and server kittens meow, then we'll know it's time to revert
2019-10-16 15:29:29 <James_F> Those are all non-BMP. None should be tofu on a modern machine.
2019-10-16 15:36:21 <hauskater> Back to unicode, and added some "description" as well for some config values
2019-10-16 15:41:30 <James_F> Cool.
2019-10-16 15:41:48 <hauskater> and is passing zuul
2019-10-16 15:41:55 <hauskater> I'm so proud of myself :P
2019-10-16 15:57:17 <hauskater> James_F: so "public": "true", ?
2019-10-16 15:57:34 <hauskater> because afaik if nothing is stated it's taken as private by default
2019-10-16 15:59:22 <James_F> hauskater: Yeah, we're defaulting to private.
2019-10-16 15:59:29 <James_F> Not that that means much.
2019-10-16 15:59:47 <hauskater> Okay, I'll add the public value
2019-10-16 15:59:49 <James_F> But in the magical future there'll be Special:SiteConfiguration or whatever which will list things like this.
2019-10-16 15:59:51 <James_F> Thanks.
2019-10-16 16:00:07 <hauskater> As long as it doesn't break AntiSpoof :D
2019-10-16 16:02:30 <McJill> Sounds neat
2019-10-16 16:02:47 <hauskater> done James_F - rebased and waiting for jenkins as well, again :)
2019-10-16 16:02:52 <Lucas_WMDE> I’ve been meaning to write a Phab task for that, actually (unless it already exists?)
2019-10-16 16:05:02 <hauskater> T155155 I think
2019-10-16 16:05:03 <stashbot> T155155: Implement a way to view (extension) configuration options and its value on-wiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155155
2019-10-16 16:05:06 <hauskater> but that's the general view
2019-10-16 16:08:00 <Lucas_WMDE> I guess
2019-10-16 16:08:11 <Lucas_WMDE> I was thinking more in an API direction, but that task seems general enough to cover that too
2019-10-16 16:11:18 <hauskater> as for aftv5 James_F I've tried to update the whole lot of NPM dev deps but if I upgrade eslint then a whole lot of things start to break
2019-10-16 16:11:26 <hauskater> like that house fire pic from yesterday
2019-10-16 16:14:51 <hauskater> Argh. The phan issue I fixed was already fixed in another commit so in the rebase the changed file rightly do not appear, but I now have to ammend the commit message again
2019-10-16 16:34:52 <James_F> hauskater: :-)
2019-10-16 16:44:01 <hauskater> Thanks James_F - one thing less to worry about :)
2019-10-16 16:44:20 <hauskater> I'll keep an eye on logstash-beta now that it's being merged to spot any issues
2019-10-16 16:45:26 <James_F> Cool
2019-10-16 17:07:43 <hauskater> ehm James_F beta-scap-eqiad is ~20 hours inactive at this moment
2019-10-16 17:07:53 <hauskater> last run was a day ago or so
2019-10-16 17:07:59 <hauskater> I'll ask releng

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