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2019-11-27 10:10:33
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<snitch>
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[[Tech]]; 41.244.233.239; NEWAOIKE ZRA wikipedia */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=19591663&oldid=19584317&rcid=14499901
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2019-11-27 11:16:32
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<snitch>
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[[Tech]]; Masumrezarock100; Reverted changes by [[Special:Contributions/41.244.233.239|41.244.233.239]] ([[User talk:41.244.233.239|talk]]) to last version by Digidietze; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=19591744&oldid=19591663&rcid=14500020
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2019-11-27 15:00:23
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<wm-bot>
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Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 60 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
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2019-11-27 15:18:31
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<abhishek-bvs>
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I just made a PR for the issue that I was assigned. So Gopa can u please review it.
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2019-11-27 15:19:51
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<Gopa>
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Hi abhishek-bvs
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2019-11-27 15:20:25
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<Gopa>
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Which task ?
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2019-11-27 15:20:39
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<abhishek-bvs>
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https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T232296
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2019-11-27 15:21:08
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<Gopa>
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Sure, on it ^^
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2019-11-27 15:27:17
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<Gopa>
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abhishek-bvs: gave my feedback on your patch, Please go through my comments and update your PR.
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2019-11-27 15:37:13
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<abhishek-bvs>
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Updated can u check now
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2019-11-27 15:41:17
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<Gopa>
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LGTM and Approved, Thanks :)
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2019-11-27 15:50:07
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<wm-bot>
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Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 10 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
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2019-11-27 15:51:59
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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fake news
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2019-11-27 15:52:10
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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we have a Foundation host, it’s just nobody updated the wiki page
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2019-11-27 15:52:16
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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and I can host from WMDE, I guess
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2019-11-27 15:52:20
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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updates wiki
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2019-11-27 15:52:46
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<apergos>
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heh
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2019-11-27 15:53:26
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<WhitePhosphorus>
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no hosts today?
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2019-11-27 15:54:22
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 6 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: Lucas_WMDE and James_F - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
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2019-11-27 15:54:22
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<apergos>
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there are hosts
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2019-11-27 15:55:34
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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meh, I didn’t mimic wm-bot perfectly, in the real message the hosts are separated with “&” and not “and” ^^
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2019-11-27 15:56:01
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<apergos>
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close enough!
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2019-11-27 16:00:25
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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okay, welcome everyone to the Technical Advice IRC Meeting!
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2019-11-27 16:00:50
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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the rumors of it having no hosts have been greatly exaggerated ;)
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2019-11-27 16:01:44
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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any questions?
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2019-11-27 16:04:49
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<apergos>
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what backend storage mechanisms are available for parsoid/php? when it becomes the default parser, what will third party installers need to have available? will they need a restbase/cassandra setup?
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2019-11-27 16:05:03
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<apergos>
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tossing out the first question to break the ice...
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2019-11-27 16:07:18
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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oof :D
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2019-11-27 16:07:27
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<apergos>
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(asking this given that we actually have parsoid/php running on some wikis in production right now! woo hoo)
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2019-11-27 16:07:33
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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\o/ \o/
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2019-11-27 16:08:06
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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(but only replacing Parsoid/JS, not (yet?) the traditional Parser, AFAIK)
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2019-11-27 16:08:35
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<Reedy>
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Lucas_WMDE: Patience my boy
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2019-11-27 16:08:44
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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^^
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2019-11-27 16:10:59
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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is anyone around who can answer the question? I know almost nothing about Parsoid/PHP, unfortunately
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2019-11-27 16:11:10
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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perhaps subbu?
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2019-11-27 16:11:28
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<apergos>
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it will at some point become (1.36?) the 'default' parser aiui
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2019-11-27 16:12:35
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<apergos>
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and I remember in various discussions that part of the motivation was to not have multiple parsers but one day just one codepath...
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2019-11-27 16:14:54
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<subbu>
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apergos, Lucas_WMDE backend storage is something that is the remit of the CPT .. but, i think there were some discussions during tech conf in atlanta.
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2019-11-27 16:15:26
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<subbu>
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https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T238257 might be relevant
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2019-11-27 16:15:28
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<apergos>
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oh I remember seeing a general ticket about storage... maybe I'll subscribe to that
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2019-11-27 16:16:54
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<apergos>
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if we have pluggable backend services one of which requires no external packages, that would meet my concerns
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2019-11-27 16:22:43
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<apergos>
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folks: 20 minutes have already gone by. Please, don't be shy! ask ask ask, now is the perfect time!
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2019-11-27 16:23:32
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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apergos: can I ask you for some clarifications around that XML schema change? :)
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2019-11-27 16:23:40
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<apergos>
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sure! ;-)
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2019-11-27 16:24:18
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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if I’m only interested in the main slot, I don’t need to change anything, right? that’s still in the main <text> of each revision?
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2019-11-27 16:24:39
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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and <content> is *only* for non-main slots? (otherwise the dumps would explode in size)
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2019-11-27 16:25:17
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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(I tried it out locally, but I don’t have any pages with real content in main and non-main content slots – only Wikitext pages without extra slots, and MediaInfo pages where the main slot is 0 bytes)
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2019-11-27 16:25:43
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<apergos>
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yes, with the caveat that there is now a sha1 attribute in the text tag
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2019-11-27 16:25:52
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<apergos>
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yes, content is only for the rest of the slots
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2019-11-27 16:26:06
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<apergos>
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$sometime we will use <content> for all the slots
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2019-11-27 16:26:10
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<apergos>
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this is a way to ease folsk in
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2019-11-27 16:26:12
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<apergos>
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*folks
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2019-11-27 16:26:27
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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ok, thanks
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2019-11-27 16:27:05
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<apergos>
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sure
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2019-11-27 16:28:30
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<apergos>
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for people not sure what we're talking about, it's this: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2019-November/092821.html (watch the one link broken by the archiver)
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2019-11-27 16:35:27
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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do you mind if I add some example XML in a comment on that task?
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2019-11-27 16:38:16
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<apergos>
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go ahead!
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2019-11-27 16:38:36
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<apergos>
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or put it on wiki and link to the task, even :-)
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2019-11-27 16:38:40
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<apergos>
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*from the task
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2019-11-27 16:39:02
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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hm, that’s a good idea
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2019-11-27 16:43:48
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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hm, the example XML at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Export#Example already looks outdated…
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2019-11-27 16:43:59
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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I’m missing at least a sha1
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2019-11-27 16:44:31
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<apergos>
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that's 0.10 which is current
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2019-11-27 16:44:50
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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I thought 0.10 already had sha1?
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2019-11-27 16:45:04
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<apergos>
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well the paragraph says sha1 but the xml doesn't have it. meh
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2019-11-27 16:45:31
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<apergos>
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have I ever edited this page? nope
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2019-11-27 16:46:23
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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might be better to completely redo the example after 0.11 is out
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2019-11-27 16:46:29
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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that’ll also update the 2001 timestamp ^^
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2019-11-27 16:46:38
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<apergos>
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lol
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2019-11-27 16:46:54
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<apergos>
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I will hope that $someone will take that on
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2019-11-27 16:47:13
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<apergos>
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(I already try to touch most of the pages with 'dump' in the name, on meta or wikitech. It is plenty)
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2019-11-27 16:47:43
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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(I can imagine)
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2019-11-27 16:47:52
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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any other questions, by the way? :D
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2019-11-27 16:56:19
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<Gopa>
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Hi Lucas_WMDE
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2019-11-27 16:59:00
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<apergos>
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Gopa: have a question??
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2019-11-27 16:59:03
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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hi!
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2019-11-27 16:59:54
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<Gopa>
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No, Thanks anyways ;)
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2019-11-27 17:00:53
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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okay, I guess that concludes this week’s Technical Advice IRC Meeting! thanks to all who participated :)
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2019-11-27 17:01:15
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<Lucas_WMDE>
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and don’t forget that you can always leave questions at the Wikimedia Developer Support forum: https://discourse-mediawiki.wmflabs.org/
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2019-11-27 17:01:37
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<apergos>
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thnk you for hosting!
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