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2019-12-04 15:00:39 <wm-bot> Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 60 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @Lucas_WMDE & @James_F - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
2019-12-04 15:02:12 <Lucas_WMDE> fake news
2019-12-04 15:02:14 <Lucas_WMDE> I’ll update the wiki
2019-12-04 15:02:41 <Lucas_WMDE> oh, we even have hosts!
2019-12-04 15:32:37 <James_F> Lucas_WMDE: Hey. ;-)
2019-12-04 15:33:16 <Lucas_WMDE> hi :)
2019-12-04 15:50:24 <wm-bot> Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 10 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @CFisch_WMDE & @James_F - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting
2019-12-04 15:51:12 <James_F> I'll take questions from now, if needed. :-)
2019-12-04 15:57:08 <MMK21Games> hiii
2019-12-04 15:57:44 <James_F> Welcome, MMK21Games.
2019-12-04 16:00:10 <James_F> Hello all. Happy to take any questions!
2019-12-04 16:02:44 <mainframe98> I have one you might be able to help me with, James: I've created https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/oojs/ui/+/542079, but it hasn't seen any activity recently. Who should I ping to get it reviewed? The same also applies to https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/core/+/544296, I could only find Aaron Schulz as maintainer for that part of MW
2019-12-04 16:05:09 <James_F> Oh, right.
2019-12-04 16:05:32 <James_F> For the OOUI one, I'll leave that to Volker_E – will ping him in person about it.
2019-12-04 16:07:33 <James_F> For the MW core one, that area is owned by the Core Platform Team; if you want them to review it, create a Phabricator task for the changes you're trying to make and tag in their team (#Core-Platform-Team), explain that you need them to do code review, and you should get it within a week.
2019-12-04 16:08:40 <James_F> Specifically they'll triage it into the Clinic Duty Team board if they agree.
2019-12-04 16:09:08 <mainframe98> Ah, right, I read about that. I'll go do that, thanks!
2019-12-04 16:10:28 <mainframe98> I also have a question about https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T237873, which deals with deprecating/removing the old extension schema change globals that were effectively deprecated (but not officially) with 1.17.
2019-12-04 16:10:58 <tassu> James_F; I also would like to know who to ask for review: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth/+/549586
2019-12-04 16:11:44 <mainframe98> The task notes that the only extensions using it are using it as back-compat, which hasn't been relevant for a while now. I'm also unaware of any deprecation policy for these globals; they're only defined when the DatabaseUpdater is run, not in DefaultSettings.php. Do they need deprecation? (And how do you deprecate a global?)
2019-12-04 16:12:20 <James_F> mainframe98: To deprecate, in DatabaseUpdater throw a wfDeprecated if any of them are non-[], I guess.
2019-12-04 16:12:39 <James_F> Alternatively, I think it's reasonable to just remove them; it's been a decade.
2019-12-04 16:13:31 <James_F> But if we're going to just remove them without deprecation, that'll need an e-mail to wikitech-l as a heads-up.
2019-12-04 16:14:30 <James_F> tassu: Interesting. I think you should tag in the Core Platform Team for that task.
2019-12-04 16:14:37 <mainframe98> I'll create a patch and send an email to wikitech-l then, thanks!
2019-12-04 16:15:04 <James_F> mainframe98: Cool.
2019-12-04 16:15:18 <tassu> That's not a person who you can just request a review in Gerrit, right?
2019-12-04 16:15:49 <James_F> tassu: Sorry, I meant, do the same as I suggested to mainframe98; however, as your patch is already associated with a task, I've requested it on your behalf.
2019-12-04 16:15:58 <James_F> Hopefully they'll get to it soon.
2019-12-04 16:16:14 <tassu> Thank you, appreciate it.
2019-12-04 16:17:29 <James_F> Wow, there are entirely too many repos still using wgExtensionCredits.
2019-12-04 16:18:44 <mainframe98> I bet a lot of them won't work with supported recent versions of MediaWiki anymore. Perhaps we should do a extension cleanup drive some day
2019-12-04 16:19:13 <James_F> Yeah, I was thinking the same.
2019-12-04 16:19:24 <apergos> is there a maintenance script or tool or class (!) that would let me easily get the list of images on a local wiki that are not used anywhere except for the respective File: page? (yes i have a real life use case, I looked but didn't find anything but maybe someone knows....)
2019-12-04 16:19:28 <James_F> Anyway, for another time.
2019-12-04 16:20:02 <James_F> apergos: Special:UnusedFiles
2019-12-04 16:20:12 <apergos> assume that's out of date
2019-12-04 16:20:17 <apergos> 9because it is in my case)
2019-12-04 16:20:21 <James_F> The data, or the code?
2019-12-04 16:20:25 <apergos> the data
2019-12-04 16:20:38 <James_F> It should be updated by the job queue unless you're in miser mode.
2019-12-04 16:20:47 <apergos> i'm in wikitech-static mode
2019-12-04 16:21:00 <James_F> Maybe there's not a cron job set up for wikitech-static?
2019-12-04 16:21:07 <apergos> I am sure there is not.
2019-12-04 16:21:16 <apergos> what script would run for that?
2019-12-04 16:21:23 <apergos> we won't job queue things to there
2019-12-04 16:21:39 <James_F> https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UnusedFiles looks roughly right from a quick skim of results.
2019-12-04 16:21:57 <James_F> Erm.
2019-12-04 16:21:58 <apergos> for wikitech prod it is
2019-12-04 16:22:03 <apergos> for wikitech static it ain't
2019-12-04 16:22:18 <James_F> Yeah, MW is fundamentally not designed to work "statically".
2019-12-04 16:22:34 <James_F> The entire wikitech-static enterprise is… well, a mess.
2019-12-04 16:22:52 <apergos> I have a crufty plan (imagelinks vs image table entries etc) but was wondering if I was overlooking something known and already invented
2019-12-04 16:23:34 <James_F> Maybe refreshLinks will be sufficient?
2019-12-04 16:23:48 <mainframe98> apergos: couldn't you use https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:UpdateSpecialPages.php with the --only flag?
2019-12-04 16:24:08 <apergos> I don't know. happy to look at both of those and then see if we can get special:unused from the api
2019-12-04 16:24:14 <apergos> (to feed into a cleanup script)
2019-12-04 16:24:21 <apergos> those are both good ideas, thanks!
2019-12-04 16:24:52 <James_F> Good luck. And please report back on whether it works!
2019-12-04 16:27:56 <apergos> it will be a long time before I get to it; this is me doing due dilligence on a task created for $someone_with_free_time that can do that image cleanup
2019-12-04 16:28:08 <apergos> but i have added your suggestions to the task, thanks again!
2019-12-04 16:28:16 <apergos> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T239807
2019-12-04 16:28:17 <James_F> gruns.
2019-12-04 16:28:20 <James_F> Err.
2019-12-04 16:28:22 <James_F> grins, even.
2019-12-04 16:28:30 <apergos> between a grin and a grunt
2019-12-04 16:43:41 <apergos> shamelessly solicits other questions
2019-12-04 16:43:57 <apergos> 15 minutes to go, please don't be shy but step right up!
2019-12-04 16:46:17 <James_F> You can also ask questions later, if you don't think of it right now.
2019-12-04 16:59:39 <James_F> OK, well, thank you all for your questions! See you next week.
2019-12-04 17:05:23 <apergos> thanks for hosting!
2019-12-04 17:11:48 <MMK21Games> bye!

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