[01:16:52] I was just speaking to a user who was reporting that she was getting white pages all the time on the desktop site. [01:17:17] I wondered if it was related to the deprecation of document.write and that was giving her white pages (although I thought that was fixed) [01:17:26] I asked her to blank her monobook.js and she said it fixed the problem [01:17:47] It's entirely possible it's a coincidence because there's a lot of stuff in there... but I did notice a document.writeln: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Dawnseeker2000/monobook.js&oldid=621655751 [01:17:52] Was that bug fixed and deployed? [01:17:58] If so, this might be a regression worth investigating. [01:18:00] Yeah, I think they only wrapped document.write, not writeln? [01:18:00] Krinkle_ ^ [01:18:43] Right, I'll file a Phab task for that then I think. [01:18:44] yeah [01:18:46] i'll add a fix [01:18:48] Deskana: please do [01:18:53] I can confirm that, at present on enwiki, write is wrapped but writeln isn't [01:18:53] Thanks, gents. [01:20:58] ori, RoanKattouw: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108423 [01:21:00] Thank you, both! [01:30:29] legoktm: is there a message for the wikifarm name? [01:31:08] when I want to output something like "when you visit a Wikimedia wiki" but keep the extension non-Wikimedia-specific? [01:31:33] think we had issues like this in CentralAuth [01:31:46] can put generic messages in the extension and then override them in WikimediaMessages iirc? [01:43:10] Krenair: that will work, thanks [01:43:48] not very comfortable for other wikifarm owners, but then anyone who runs CentralAuth for a non-WMF farm probably enjoys pain [02:20:09] ori, see anything suspicious in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/230262/1/wikihiero.body.php ? ROFL [03:00:50] MaxSem: durr [03:17:19] tgr: just WikimediiaMessages :/ [03:58:32] MaxSem: maps stuff seems to be moving quickly, pretty exciting [03:59:04] we were unexpectedly deployed [03:59:23] heh [03:59:55] now if i just knew how to pronounce kartotherian... [05:01:38] the story of the Hovercards extension is kind of mind-boggling [05:02:38] legoktm: ever since you told me off, I have been puzzling about it. [05:03:09] so the idea was to take a tool that, as nakon spontaneously said yesterday, some editors "can't really work without it ;)" [05:03:27] strip it of most useful functionality [05:03:40] and then tie a pretty ribbon around the result? [05:03:47] what the actual fuck? [05:05:10] "Our primary users are the casual readers who browse around the Wikipedia without any particular goal, simply enjoying reading the articles." [05:18:36] ori: design just wanted link previews. a very similar function is being built into the native apps currently. I think it may be out for android already [05:19:08] it's kind of staggering. i'm filing a task for getting that project on track. jared is gone; there's no reason for it to flounder. [05:19:13] it's candy for the "quick facts" use-case (which may or may not actually exist) [05:19:36] the original idea was "an initiative of the Design team, to move popular Gadgets into Beta Features" [05:19:37] we should really start tl;dr.enwiki [05:20:24] that may have been the day one goal, but I don't think it lasted long [05:20:27] then: "Our primary users are the casual readers who browse around the Wikipedia without any particular goal, simply enjoying reading the articles." [05:21:24] this could have been such an easy win for the design team, i don't get it [05:21:43] well it had that one PM... [05:22:09] let's just get it on track [05:22:27] who is going to take it on? [05:23:07] * bd808 hopes nobody says "community tech" [05:24:41] it's a good question. i think that merely proclaiming that we're not going to be dumb about this any more might actually encourage piecemeal contributions of functionality ported over from the gadget. [05:24:48] maybe that's wishful thinking. [05:28:43] looking through the issues in the wiki page, most of them would be good things to fix for multiple reasons (textextracts, leadimage) [05:32:09] * bd808 slinks off to bed [05:32:17] wait just a second [05:32:23] i need to vent for 20 more seconds :P [05:32:27] k [05:33:09] "Chefs love our spatula, but they complain that the handle is slippery, and could use a better grip. [05:34:10] "The User experience teams have over 40 years of combined user experience design and research, engineering, information architecture, HCI, visual design, and usability experience." -- for 12 people? amazing? [05:34:53] * bd808 wonders how many years of "combined experience" mw-core had when he joined [05:35:15] "Our new product, Spatula², targets casual diners. It does not improve the grip, but it does remove the grills, opting instead of a slick, streamlined appearance." [05:35:40] right? [05:35:44] HN said that grills were retro [05:35:48] yeah [05:36:45] do we usually leave *(WMF) user pages with no update after someone has left? [05:37:02] I've found a couple this week. sort of bugs me [05:37:08] Katie often updates them [05:37:32] changing present tense to past, but keeping the idealism and grandeur of the original phrasing [05:37:47] the effect is very subtle and very mocking [05:38:00] such an imp [05:38:22] I'll just leave this here then -- https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Jaredzimmerman_%28WMF%29 [05:39:33] thanks for hearing me out :P [05:40:28] heh. yw [05:41:08] we didn't even get harassed by homeless during this side talk before parthing [05:50:13] oh my god [05:50:21] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chind%C5%8Dgu [05:50:34] i propose we rename Extension:Gadgets to Extension:Chindōgu [05:50:45] "Chindōgu (珍道具?) is the Japanese art of inventing ingenious everyday gadgets that, on the face of it, seem like an ideal solution to a particular problem. However, chindōgu has a distinctive feature: anyone actually attempting to use one of these inventions would find that it causes so many new problems, or such significant social embarrassment, that effectively it has no utility whatsoever." [07:11:07] ori, nobody took a gadget and put their label on it. they took the idea and reimplemented it with 5% of the original's functionality [07:11:25] (and nothing more) [07:50:39] It's a basis for more! /me twitches, prays, twitches again. [07:57:35] bd808: the link preview is in the android beta (idk if it's in stable), iOS doesn't have it yet [07:59:57] ori: aside from the feature set, I think the biggest problem with hovercards is that there were dev resources to push it beta, and once it got to the point where some communities actually wanted to enable it by default, the resources got pulled and now its basically dead [08:02:08] the wikimedia foundation's attitude toward feature development sometimes recalls groucho marx's famous quip about not wanting to belong to any club that would have him as a member [08:04:07] but i think most of the people who made these sorts of decisions are gone now, and engineers have a bit more autonomy, so we can change that [08:46:08] ori: I don't see userpage changes in years https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=MZMcBride&namespace=2&tagfilter=&year=2015&month=-1 [09:48:58] bd808: I assume running "vagrant provision" on the urlshortener instance will wreck your apache hacks? [17:27:48] legoktm: yeah, quite likely it will. You should puppetize that :)