[20:50:13] Holy crap! I finally got my ldapauth wiki to create a new user! [20:50:46] * bd808 now wants 3 days of his life back and to unlearn LDAP right management crap [20:56:53] :D [21:09:31] Has anyone seen "Unknown User" in the personaltools area on mw.org? Is there a bug about that already? [21:15:31] I've seen it [21:15:46] at least on localhost [21:27:55] Yeah, I thought that was really annoying. I think they're trying to boost registrations by making people feel unknown. [21:29:30] Wait, what [21:29:33] This is *deliberate* ? [21:30:16] Aha, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/273574/ [21:31:34] Oh, from the task I see that it started out with "Anonymous user" and that got shot down for what seem like legitimate reasons [21:57:18] RoanKattouw: it's still poor product design, IMO. [21:57:56] Yeah I still don't like it [22:07:40] jimbo's appeal for donations from the last fundraising campaign likened Wikipedia to a public library or a park, and I think it's a useful analogy in this context, too [22:07:54] when you're walking through a park you're not an "unknown park visitor" [22:10:27] Right, even if you're not anonymous [22:18:09] it's not as though you're consciously and deliberately withholding information about who you are [22:18:30] for most visitors, they don't think of their relationship with the site as being mediated by identity at all [22:19:17] i think that's really important for a reference work [22:19:28] well, I'll just write this up on the task rather than complain here [23:06:24] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121793#2127900 [23:07:20] zomg philosophy [23:07:49] yes, my youth was misspent [23:13:01] ori: I don't disagree personally, but many/most/all direction that the Reading group has gotten in the last year from C-level has been to push towards creating a personal relationship with the reader and their extended social circle. [23:13:28] Assuming that all came from Lila wold be a mistake I think [23:13:50] they want to make people want to create an account [23:14:22] in the grand narrative of X% of registered users edit [23:18:04] I know, but one of the (few! ;)) benefits of working here is that we have a voice and quite a lot of autonomy [23:20:09] I think Toby's perspective evolved a lot too [23:20:21] so it wouldn't fall on deaf ears, esp. with Lila gone [23:24:28] *nod*