[00:34:31] <tgr>	 is there any system in what repositories are pinned on https://github.com/wikimedia ?
[00:34:57] <tgr>	 varnishkafka or puppet does not seem too interesting to the average visitor
[00:38:55] <Reedy>	 There's a "Customise pinned respositories" link
[00:38:57] * Reedy presses
[00:39:36] <Reedy>	 I removed varnishkafka
[01:08:42] <bd808>	 If we went purely by github stars, the ios app is the winner and VE and restbase are *way* down the list.
[01:18:45] <James_F>	 bd808: Sniff.
[01:19:13] <bd808>	 I didn't boot you out :)
[01:19:26] <bd808>	 I did add the android app to fill the empty hole though
[01:19:35] * James_F nods.
[01:20:13] <James_F>	 For variety of languages we should kill one of the JS (VE/RB) and add in something else in a non-PHP/Java/Python/JS/Puppet – maybe the iOS app in Obj.C isn't a bad idea.
[01:20:33] * James_F kills VE.
[01:21:05] <bd808>	 iOS having a lot of stars is actually pretty awesome. They moved to using github as the primary repo with the argument that it would be easier to get contributors there.
[01:21:25] <bd808>	 I haven't checked their PRs but at least they are getting star attention
[01:21:38] <James_F>	 Yeah.
[01:22:10] <James_F>	 Also my impression is that there aren't as many FLOSS iOS apps, so it's probably an interesting member of the community.
[01:22:34] <bd808>	 there are a decent number of libraries, but yeah not many full apps
[01:23:19] <James_F>	 Especially as the iOS team does early-access stuff with Apple on new features sometimes.
[01:30:47] <bd808>	 oh sexy -- https://github.com/wikimedia/wikipedia-ios/pull/1176 -- 2fa for the ios app
[01:32:21] <James_F>	 Nice. I knew they were going to work on it "soon".
[01:32:35] <James_F>	 Next step of course is enforcing 2FA. ;-)
[01:33:25] <bd808>	 I think 2fa is a pain in the ass for 99.99% of our register users
[01:33:55] <bd808>	 I have it everywhere, but I'm a geek and have some elevated rights
[01:33:55] <James_F>	 Oh, indeed. But for anyone with RevDel/CU/RightsManagement rights…
[01:34:03] <bd808>	 *nod*
[01:34:10] <bd808>	 CU for sure
[01:34:27] <James_F>	 At last count I think I have 15 different entries in my Authenticator app.
[01:34:51] <bd808>	 mine just keeps scrolling. not sure how many in there :/
[01:35:01] <bd808>	 I know its a pain to find some of them in the list
[01:36:23] <bd808>	 tgr, Reedy: thoughts on T157342? Would it be crazy to point to loginwiki for an OAuth handshake?
[01:36:24] <stashbot>	 T157342: Users blocked from account creation on meta can not use Quarry - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T157342
[01:37:25] <bd808>	 part of me wants to say that if you are blocked on meta there is maybe a reason, but if its not a global ban then not sure why we would lock folks out of a tool like Quarry
[01:37:56] <tgr>	 blocked users can still do an OAuth handshake
[01:38:32] <bd808>	 hmmm... that doesn't match what Reguyla is saying.
[01:38:45] <bd808>	 Oh would the ident api call fail?
[01:39:03] <tgr>	 I don't think anything would fail
[01:39:08] <bd808>	 I guess I should make a blocked user and test things out
[01:39:25] <tgr>	 we even have a bug report with people complaining about how blocked users can still identif
[01:39:47] <bd808>	 huh
[01:41:54] <legoktm[NE]>	 bd808: we should avoid pointing people at loginwiki at all costs IMO
[01:44:16] <tgr>	 bd808: T156803
[01:44:16] <stashbot>	 T156803: Take local bans into consideration in Oauth - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T156803
[01:44:22] <bd808>	 anybody a meta admin? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Block/Bd808BlockedTestAccount
[01:45:07] <tgr>	 blocked
[01:45:23] <bd808>	 thx. I'll test quarry with it
[01:46:58] <bd808>	 "Your account is not allowed to use Connected Apps, contact your site administrator to find out why."
[01:47:07] <bd808>	 "Insufficient OAuth user rights, E007"
[01:48:06] <tgr>	 ugh that error messge is horrible
[01:48:17] <bd808>	 all of them are honestly
[01:48:48] <Reedy>	 developers developers developers developers developers
[01:49:25] <tgr>	 huh, apparently we do that on authorize, just not on identify
[01:50:11] <bd808>	 I didn't want to say you were wrong without a test, but I actually counted on that in Striker's account creation flow.
[01:50:30] <bd808>	 So I was pretty sure that the block held
[01:51:23] <tgr>	 we have a pretty random mix of checking $user->isLocked() || $wgBlockDisablesLogin && $user->isBlocked() vs. just checking $user->isBlocked
[01:51:52] <tgr>	 IMO we should standardize on the first
[01:53:15] <tgr>	  /identify will tell you whether the user is blocked, if you care about it
[01:54:37] <tgr>	 want to file a task about it? less ugly approach than sending people to loginwiki, IMO
[01:54:55] <tgr>	 meta has customized some of the error messages, has a contact us page etc
[01:55:21] <tgr>	 allows account creation
[01:56:02] <tgr>	 on second thought I'll just repurpose T156803
[01:56:03] <stashbot>	 T156803: Take local bans into consideration in Oauth - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T156803
[01:57:48] * bd808 managed to lock up his laptop with too many FF tabs/windows
[07:13:23] <tgr>	 bd808: congrats on the new team!
[07:13:35] <tgr>	 how does it feel to be a manager again? :)
[16:25:00] <bd808>	 tgr: I'm not a manger until April, so I'm enjoying the last bits of my 'year of not being a manager' ;)
[16:25:22] <bd808>	 although I'm doing a lot of manager stuff for annual planning at the moment
[16:38:36] <hashar>	 bd808: time to rename #wikimedia-labs to #wikimedia-cloud ? :}
[16:39:05] <bd808>	 hashar: not yet, but soon
[16:39:16] <hashar>	 freenode supports redirecting channels
[16:39:20] <hashar>	 if it can help
[16:39:35] <bd808>	 I'm going to work up a page on potential renames and get community input on it
[16:39:56] <bd808>	 the team isn't 'official' until 2017-04-01
[16:40:11] <bd808>	 so we have some time to work out details
[16:42:31] <James_F>	 bd808: BTW, "WMCS" is a not-quite naming conflict with Czechoslovakia (which doesn't exist any more, but makes me double-take each time). WiKloud is unique and almost as short. ;-) </bikeshed>
[16:43:15] <bd808>	 https://people.wikimedia.org/~gwicke/bikeshed.svg
[16:44:02] <bd808>	 how does one pronounce 'WiKloud' ?
[16:44:18] <bd808>	 we-cloud? wik-loud?
[16:44:54] * bd808 prefers "Cloud" and lets legoktm[NE] read that as "my butt"
[16:46:03] <bd808>	 Under WMCS I want to rename the products too and hope those see more actual use than the umbrella team name.
[16:46:37] <bd808>	 Wikimedia Labs (our OpenStack install) -> Wikimedia VPS
[16:46:56] <bd808>	 Wikimedia Tool Labs -> ?? not sure, but one idea is Tools Forge
[16:47:02] <bd808>	 or just Tools
[16:47:40] <bd808>	 Dropping the word 'tool' seems difficult since we've been using that term since 2005 or so
[16:48:49] <hashar>	 tgr|away: psysh maintainer replied to your issue just a minute ago :-}  https://github.com/bobthecow/psysh/issues/353
[16:49:29] <hashar>	 bd808: MWCGA  Make Wikimedia Cloud Great Again
[16:49:43] <bd808>	 too soon hashar, too soon
[16:50:11] <bd808>	 now Freedom Cloud... ;)
[16:50:49] <bd808>	 ref: http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2061530_2061531_2061545,00.html
[16:51:18] <bd808>	 heh. that idiocy even has an enwiki page -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_fries
[16:52:19] <chasemp>	 WMFS
[16:52:53] * bd808 smiles at his new team being in the left-over channel for his first WMF team
[16:53:32] <bd808>	 freedom as a service. we have no idea what that means, but how could anyone be against freedom?
[16:57:29] <James_F>	 bd808: Wik-Loud. Because you are. ;-)
[17:08:55] <RainbowSprinkles>	 bd808: Not just your new team, others idle there too :p
[17:09:11] <bd808>	 RainbowSprinkles: but you are my old team :)
[17:09:45] <RainbowSprinkles>	 Oh, I guess it wasn't exclusive "my team is in foo"
[17:09:50] <RainbowSprinkles>	 (and nobody else)
[17:10:39] * bd808 misses the 'refugees from the Great Reorg of 2015™' topic
[17:14:27] <RainbowSprinkles>	 I'm still waiting for that reorg to be great again
[17:14:32] <RainbowSprinkles>	 And by again, I mean for the first time ever :p
[18:31:33] <legoktm[NE]>	 bd808: I propose "Toolserver"
[18:31:55] <bd808>	 legoktm[NE]: heh. cause that won't cause any confusion
[18:32:03] <chasemp>	 serveroftools
[19:46:27] <RainbowSprinkles>	 Who would you say is responsible for PdfHandler?
[20:03:32] <tgr>	 RainbowSprinkles: seems to be us, per https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Component_responsibility
[20:49:45] <hashar>	 tgr: goood morning!
[20:50:14] <hashar>	 I had a pleasant surprise today.  I have read your Psy issue on  https://github.com/bobthecow/psysh/issues/353
[20:50:36] <hashar>	 eventualyl went to read a few other things and when I came back to the tab, magically Psysh author had written everything that was needed
[20:51:06] <hashar>	 most probably for his breakfast hehe
[20:51:30] <hashar>	 anyway I incorporated his code and rename the script to maintenance/shell.php https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/334217/   and it looks all fine
[20:51:38] <hashar>	 thanks a ton Gergo :)
[20:52:07] <RainbowSprinkles>	 tgr: Great! Sooo, there's been a spike in errors recently that all have had to do with pdf files. 
[20:52:08] <RainbowSprinkles>	 Such as....
[20:52:28] <RainbowSprinkles>	 Syntax Error: Top-level pages object is wrong type (null)
[20:52:30] <RainbowSprinkles>	 Syntax Error: Invalid XRef entry
[20:53:18] <RainbowSprinkles>	 I dunno if they're related to some bogus PDFs people have been uploading or what....
[20:54:30] <RainbowSprinkles>	 (Where recently = last 2 weeks or so)
[20:56:24] <hashar>	 RainbowSprinkles: oh tyler and I talked about those yesterday
[20:56:50] <hashar>	 most definitely it is just wfShellExec() stderr that ends up in the 'hhvm' log bucket
[20:57:26] <hashar>	 and in the few cases I have investigated last week for easytimeline and others, that was always some fault in the timeline definition / pdf file / svg file etc
[21:02:10] <RainbowSprinkles>	 I don't think that's the case with the PDF ones.
[21:02:18] <RainbowSprinkles>	 I think it's bogus input for some of them
[21:02:25] <RainbowSprinkles>	 For timeline and svgs, yes more likely
[21:02:30] <RainbowSprinkles>	 DjVU has been wonky too
[21:12:17] <hashar>	 I am off to bed *wave*
[23:19:42] <tgr>	 RainbowSprinkles: is there a task?
[23:19:49] <RainbowSprinkles>	 I...don't think so
[23:28:00] <tgr>	 I'll file one
[23:40:46] <tgr>	 RainbowSprinkles: can you figure out whom to assign T157636 to? it's related to the usergroup expiry thing, and it breaks the browser tests
[23:40:47] <stashbot>	 T157636: Global account manager (Special:CentralAuth) errors out on beta - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T157636