[18:50:16] <subbu>	 anomie, responded 
[18:51:23] <subbu>	 it took me a while as i had to page in the discussion again, and update my thinking based on recent comments.
[22:34:20] <Reedy>	 https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_17072489.html https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_13205556.html