[02:36:39] <TimStarling>	 I have no idea how internal links work in MF
[02:36:50] <TimStarling>	 after reading code and docs for 20 minutes, maybe I am just being stupid
[02:37:44] <subbu>	 what is MF?
[02:37:58] <TimStarling>	 MobileFrontend
[02:38:09] <subbu>	 ah, k
[02:39:28] <TimStarling>	 ok I am being stupid, obviously saying things out loud helps
[02:40:55] <TimStarling>	 I was reading the discussion about Tor hidden services on wikimedia-l
[02:41:32] <TimStarling>	 Faidon was talking about the ugly way that links are rewritten in HTML content in EOTK
[02:41:38] <TimStarling>	 I wondered how that is done in MF
[02:41:45] <subbu>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging
[02:41:53] <TimStarling>	 the answer is that it isn't, links are domain-relative
[02:41:54] <subbu>	 that is what someone once mentioned to me a couple years back. :)
[02:43:24] <TimStarling>	 yep
[02:43:52] <TimStarling>	 so a hidden service could be done in the same way, if we could have a .onion address for each wiki
[02:44:21] <subbu>	 i haven't followed that thread after the first couple mails. i should point arlo to it.
[02:48:32] <subbu>	 alright, i am signing off .. i just happened to sign onto irc briefly ... tomorrow is a holiday, fyi.
[02:50:10] <TimStarling>	 have fun
[03:18:12] <Reedy>	 TimStarling: Going to brute force some like facebook did? :)
[03:20:22] <TimStarling>	 could do, there is https://github.com/lachesis/scallion for that
[03:20:50] <TimStarling>	 "For example on my nVidia Quadro K2000M, I see around 90 MH/s. With those speed I can generate an eight character .onion prefix in about 1h 41m, 2^(5*8-1)/90 million = 101 minutes."
[03:20:59] <TimStarling>	 easy
[03:21:11] <Reedy>	 Nice
[03:28:19] <TimStarling>	 I have a GTX 1050, just an entry level newish video card for gaming, which is probably around 10 times as fast as that
[03:28:42] <Reedy>	 Can it do multi gpu?
[03:29:53] <Reedy>	 I've got a GTX970 and a GTX670 in my desktop
[03:30:53] <Reedy>	 How can you use multiple devices?
[03:30:54] <Reedy>	 Run multiple Scallion instances
[03:31:48] <TimStarling>	 yeah, you could run multiple instances, it says that the search order is random
[03:33:48] <TimStarling>	  .Add<uint>("d|device=", "Specifies the opencl device that should be used.", (i) => parms.DeviceId = i)
[03:38:10] <Reedy>	 What would we go for? dblists? enwiki.onion? enwikipedia.onion?
[03:41:32] <TimStarling>	 you mean enwikipediaXXXXX.onion where XXXXX is 5 random characters
[03:45:20] <TimStarling>	 a prefix of 11 would be stretching it a bit for our random handful of GPUs
[03:45:43] <TimStarling>	 maybe 208 days
[03:46:17] <TimStarling>	 18 years if you need a prefix of 12, for a three-letter language code
[03:47:05] <TimStarling>	 facebook of course brute-forced the whole 16 characters, that would take like 19 million years
[03:47:48] <bd808>	 we could ask Jordan for a pile of credits and use https://cloud.google.com/gpu/
[03:53:50] <TimStarling>	 you can apparently have subdomains of .onion addresses
[03:54:09] <TimStarling>	 e.g. en.wikipediaXXXXXXX.onion
[05:00:44] <Reedy>	 I created a Tor tag
[05:05:10] <TimStarling>	 thanks
[05:08:24] <Reedy>	 Probably needs a better description, but that's fixable
[05:51:14] <legoktm>	 bd808: but that would mean the hidden service's private keys were on the google cloud at some point right?
[06:12:58] <TimStarling>	 according to https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2014-October/035413.html , Facebook got very lucky in getting such a nice suffix for their .onion hostname
[06:13:18] <TimStarling>	 they just generated hashes that start with "facebook" and then went through the results by eye
[06:14:21] <TimStarling>	 so we could do the same ourselves, with my video card I could probably generate 100 addresses that start with "wikipedia"
[06:25:21] <legoktm>	 wikipediaenglish.onion