[02:38:18] <TimStarling>	 I have had about enough of gerrit
[02:38:38] <TimStarling>	 there are so many bugs, it makes it so hard to do the simplest things
[02:41:19] <TimStarling>	 I was trying to type a code comment, but the box kept scrolling off the screen as I typed
[02:43:53] <TimStarling>	 so I switched from side-by-side to unified diff mode, and that problem went away, but then the diff highlighting and line numbers were incorrect, so that if I tried to attach a comment to code, it would be attached to the wrong line
[02:46:36] <TimStarling>	 my settings are already arranged so as to work around a previously noted bug in diff display
[02:48:13] <RainbowSprinkles>	 When we upgrade from 2.13.x -> 2.14.x we get the new PolyGerrit UI
[02:48:15] <RainbowSprinkles>	 It's...cleaner
[02:48:23] <RainbowSprinkles>	 I don't know how many of your UI bugs will be fixed
[02:49:18] <RainbowSprinkles>	 (I was a little leery of the 2.14.x branch, there were some backend regressions I was unhappy with, but the .2 release should fix them all)
[02:49:38] <RainbowSprinkles>	 Working on migrating to scap-based deploys, then we'll test+schedule an upgrade
[02:50:57] <RainbowSprinkles>	 TimStarling: I know "please wait and see" is never a great answer, but the UI situation is /completely different/ come the 2.14.x releases
[02:51:01] <TimStarling>	 thanks RainbowSprinkles
[02:51:12] <RainbowSprinkles>	 So we'll need to reassess all the UI bugs people have filed
[02:51:16] <TimStarling>	 is it written by different people?
[02:51:25] <RainbowSprinkles>	 It actually had real designers input on it ;-)
[02:51:58] <TimStarling>	 I mean, fundamentally the problem is lack of attention to quality
[02:52:29] <RainbowSprinkles>	 Yeah. Well the software was designed for engineers by engineers for years. I've met a good number of them. They can't draw a circle using the circle tool in mspaint.
[02:52:38] <TimStarling>	 lol
[02:53:03] <RainbowSprinkles>	 Very smart guys, terrible designers :)
[02:53:50] <RainbowSprinkles>	 https://gerrit-review.googlesource.com/c/98996?polygerrit=1 will force the new UI if you want a sneak peek
[02:54:30] <MaxSem>	 dæmn, even I know how to draw circles in Paint!
[02:54:54] <RainbowSprinkles>	 MaxSem: I don't :(
[02:55:04] <MaxSem>	 hold shift
[02:55:12] <RainbowSprinkles>	 Yeah I'd still fuck it up
[02:55:40] <RainbowSprinkles>	 I'm pretty sure my neighbor's fish could do a better job than I (or the Gerrit core devs :p)
[02:56:07] <MaxSem>	 as our friends from the apps team love to say, SHIPITSHIPITSHIPIT!
[02:56:16] <TimStarling>	 that definitely looks better
[02:56:35] <RainbowSprinkles>	 A little rough around the edges, but far cleaner yes
[02:56:43] <TimStarling>	 real scroll bars, for a start
[02:57:11] <RainbowSprinkles>	 iirc, big change there was I think they actually swapped out the code editor
[02:57:14] <RainbowSprinkles>	 (I could be wrong...)
[02:58:12] <RainbowSprinkles>	 I lied. It's the same one. Prolly newer version.
[02:58:41] <RainbowSprinkles>	 But yeah, real scroll bars instead of like iframe-based ones within the real scroll space is a vast improvement
[02:58:59] <RainbowSprinkles>	 (I've had that same jumping-all-over issue constantly since they swapped to CodeMirror in 2.10+)
[03:01:19] <RainbowSprinkles>	 I *can* compile 2.13.x with the polygerrit support, but it requires a custom build + it was woefully incomplete in 2.13.x
[03:01:32] <RainbowSprinkles>	 Like, missing major features to the point of being unusable
[03:03:36] <RainbowSprinkles>	 Hmm, if the schema changes weren't so big between the versions I could run the slave on 2.14.x
[03:03:39] <RainbowSprinkles>	 But it'd complain
[03:12:57] <MaxSem>	 TimStarling, any other comments re my sections stuff?
[03:14:01] <TimStarling>	 probably not, since I gave it in-principle approval on July 20
[03:14:25] <TimStarling>	 my comments are addressed now?
[03:14:34] <MaxSem>	 yep
[03:14:40] <MaxSem>	 hmm, so I need someone to pull the trigger...
[03:15:53] <TimStarling>	 I'll have a look
[03:16:17] <MaxSem>	 thanks :)
[03:29:00] <TimStarling>	 ok, I can merge it, do you want to merge RELEASE-NOTES-DRAFT or should I?
[03:29:16] <MaxSem>	 1 sec
[03:32:47] <MaxSem>	 done
[03:33:50] <MaxSem>	 heading home
[21:04:57] <TimStarling>	 RFC meeting starting now in #wikimedia-office: IPv6 contributions and talk pages