[00:31:50] <Esther>	 Shiv?
[00:32:26] <Esther>	 Wow, not a typo for shim. Hmm.
[00:33:27] <Esther>	 > The term shiv originates from John Resig, who was thought to have used the word for its slang meaning, a sharp object used as a knife-like weapon, intended for Internet Explorer. Truth be known, John probably intended to use the word shim, which in computing means an application compatibility workaround.
[00:33:36] <Esther>	 > Rather than correct his mispelling, most developers familiar with Internet Explorer appreciated the visual imagery. And that, kids, is etymology.
[00:33:51] <Esther>	 I wonder if "mispelling" is a troll.
[17:37:17] <Reedy>	 thanks anomie! :D
[18:25:40] <Niharika>	 What's the best way to find out all the hooks registered by an extension? I'm specifically looking for hooks offered by VE and there's nothing in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_hook_registry :(
[18:26:15] <Reedy>	 grep for wfRunHooks and Hooks::run ? :/
[18:27:07] <Niharika>	 Reedy: Did that. Nothing for former and just one for latter - EditFormPreloadText 
[18:27:12] <Niharika>	 That doesn't seem right. 
[18:27:15] <Reedy>	 Yeah...
[18:27:30] <Reedy>	 It could be
[18:27:36] <Reedy>	 There's not much PHP code to it
[18:27:36] <legoktm>	 Niharika: I don't think VE has any PHP hooks
[18:28:01] <Reedy>	 One in ApiVisualEditor.php
[18:28:08] <Reedy>	 As I guess it's re-implmenting the api edit
[18:28:28] <Niharika>	 legoktm: Oh. I want to cut VE off and redirect to another page according to some conditions. 
[18:28:52] <legoktm>	 use BeforePageDisplay?
[18:28:55] <Niharika>	 So I guess I can rely on any hook that runs before VE. 
[18:29:19] <Niharika>	 Right, will do. Thanks. 
[18:37:10] <Niharika>	 legoktm: When one clicks 'Create
[18:37:20] <Niharika>	  doesn't it load the editor using JS alone?
[18:37:45] <Niharika>	 So BeforePageDisplay will not come into picture?
[18:38:22] <legoktm>	 Well if you want to intercept what "Create" does why not change the URL it points to server-side?
[18:38:29] <legoktm>	 using the skintemplate hook
[18:41:11] <Niharika>	 Wouldn't that create a race with VE and my extension both trying to decide where that URL points to?
[18:41:49] <Niharika>	 VE uses the SkinTemplateNavigation hook to create the tab.
[18:48:12] <legoktm>	 hmm probably
[19:31:14] <DanielK_WMDE>	 Niharika: these days, hooks are often registered in extension.json, so you won't find anything if you grep through the code.
[19:31:26] <DanielK_WMDE>	 oh hm, missed the conversation by an hour
[22:07:01] <Reedy>	 Would people reckon... Rows in querycache with a qc_type of '' are erroneous?
[22:08:17] <Reedy>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P5944
[22:13:41] <Reedy>	 Filed as https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T174513
[22:28:50] <bd808>	 Reedy, legoktm: is there a maintenance script that would let me attach an existing LDAP account as a local account on Wikitech?
[22:28:57] <bd808>	 for T174469
[22:28:57] <stashbot>	 T174469: LDAP account that is not attached on wikitech has no means for password reset - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T174469
[22:29:23] <Reedy>	 probably not
[22:29:31] <Reedy>	 Just insert a row into ldap_domains?
[22:29:44] <bd808>	 yeah... I was wondering if that would work
[22:29:54] <bd808>	 I'll look at it later :)
[22:30:24] <bd808>	 I have a test wiki locally that I can mess with that has an LDAP directory and an LDAP auth wiki