[00:08:33] <bd808>	 My Intro to CS college course was based on Turbo Pascal :)
[00:09:14] * bd808 got a CS degree from a liberal arts school ;)
[01:22:32] <RoanKattouw>	 I definitely could not schedule uni around my life (or influence its scheduling at all) in NL, but I could in the US
[01:22:32] <RoanKattouw>	 Fortunately/unfortunately, the timezone difference working from NL was so large that it didn't matter
[01:34:02] <no_justification>	 Scheduling day was never fun. Better be on student services intranet right at 8am!
[04:31:48] <Krinkle>	 TimStarling: Hm. do we actually use furl and the hhvm warmup? I know we had a plan to do hhvm warmup at some point, but I'm not sure whether it is enabled or not.
[04:33:38] <TimStarling>	 the puppet config for it looks broken
[04:33:50] <TimStarling>	 it's in a section "if os_version('ubuntu >= trusty') {"
[04:34:01] <Krinkle>	 Assuming that creating a file in /etc/init/ is enough to create a service, I guess it is enabled? It is monkey patching itself into the hhvm service startup.
[04:34:03] <TimStarling>	 because there's only an upstart job to make it happen
[04:34:14] <Krinkle>	 But yeah, that conditional probably doesn't result in debian matching.
[04:34:26] <TimStarling>	 can easily check
[04:35:36] <TimStarling>	 yeah, there's no /etc/init/hhvm-warmup.conf on mw1201 (random apache)
[04:36:04] <TimStarling>	     # Note: the warmup process should be revisited and is thus not implemented on
[04:36:04] <TimStarling>	     # Debian/systemd at the moment.
[04:45:08] <Krinkle>	 Right
[04:57:27] <Krinkle>	 TimStarling: Thoughts on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/391162/ ?
[04:57:40] <Krinkle>	 I figured the easiest way to migrate it so have it in a separate file first.
[04:58:10] <Krinkle>	 and then I cancelled the rest of my over-complicated idea in the hopes that require_once will just work as expected.
[04:58:13] <Krinkle>	 So this might be all that's needed.
[04:59:31] <TimStarling>	 still WIP though?
[05:01:24] <Krinkle>	 I haven't tested it yet.
[05:02:23] <Krinkle>	 I got half-way writing a PHPUnit test, but it ended up being quite useless given the current code of StartProfile.php. I've added documentation comments and moved it to a new file, but took care not to change any of the logic for now. 
[05:03:12] <Krinkle>	 For example, the logic for writing to /tmp seems broken, given that I can't get Apache/HHVM to respond over 127.0.0.1 
[05:03:22] <Krinkle>	 only responded for localhost -6 (::1)
[05:03:52] <Krinkle>	 But oh well, I guess that broke at some point in the last two years. Maybe as part of moving to debian. Not sure though
[05:04:26] <TimStarling>	 I guess you didn't see my previous comment about it in this channel
[05:05:01] <Krinkle>	 Aye, I see it now.
[05:06:08] <Krinkle>	 I thought $wmg* is for InitialiseSettings and $wmf for other WMF-specific globals
[05:06:41] <Krinkle>	 e.g. $wmfAllServices
[05:06:41] <TimStarling>	 I did a review of them a while back, and even made a WIP patch to standardise them, it seemed pretty random
[05:06:48] <Krinkle>	 Yeah.
[05:06:56] <Krinkle>	 I think you proposed using wgWMF, right?
[05:07:02] <TimStarling>	 yes
[05:07:16] <TimStarling>	 so that the wg prefix can be removed in future
[05:08:30] <TimStarling>	 StartProfiler.php overwrites $wmfProfiler with an empty array, when it was set by PhpAutoPrepend.php
[05:09:04] <TimStarling>	 then it does require_once which will be a no-op because PhpAutoPrepend.php already included it
[05:09:11] <Krinkle>	 Woops, yeah
[05:11:05] <Krinkle>	 Changed profiler.php to declares its own global and unconditionally assign it
[05:15:13] <TimStarling>	 looks good now
[05:18:06] <TimStarling>	 I will give it +1 with advice to self-merge when you're ready
[05:20:23] <Krinkle>	 k, won't be today anymore, but will do tomorrow. Thanks :)
[05:37:42] <quiddity>	 <no_justification>  Scheduling day was never fun. Better be on student services intranet right at 8am!  <--- IIRC we had an automated telephone system, which often resulted in a busy signal if we weren't fast enough, plus classes would fill up, so we still had to be ready at N o'clock.   I guess IVR? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interactive_voice_response
[06:13:26] <tgr>	 we just had professors put papers with dashes where the names should go on their doors; once all the dashes were filled that course was full
[06:13:41] <tgr>	 was lots of fun if you lived far away from campus
[06:14:12] <tgr>	 fortunately the uni bought an actual IT system in my second year
[14:52:44] * anomie reads backscroll about languages used in different Intro to CS
[14:53:29] <anomie>	 ... I don't know what language was used for "Intro to Computer Programming", I tested out of it.
[15:58:17] <bd808>	 I honestly don't remember how class scheduling was done at my school. weird
[16:50:17] <anomie>	 For scheduling, my school had a somewhat-crappy website which I think was relatively new at the time. And randomly-assigned windows for people to be able to start signing up to avoid overloading it.
[17:12:12] <bd808>	 I think that we had to go around to the profs with a sheet of paper and ask them to sign it...
[17:12:25] <bd808>	 small school obviously
[17:12:43] <bd808>	 and websites weren't a thing yet :)
[17:13:11] * bd808 built the CWIS in '93-'94
[17:14:56] <bd808>	 slackware 0.something; ncsa httpd; a static snapshot of the class catalog built via perl from the framemaker docs; some bash cgi scripts
[17:15:28] <bd808>	 A fancy image map at some point later too :)
[17:15:36] <bd808>	 it was soooo high tech
[18:10:48] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 anomie: thanks for the review :)
[18:11:11] <anomie>	 Sorry it took so long. I've been a bit busy this week.
[18:17:01] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 yea, i know how it is. i have the same problem
[18:17:25] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 when latency is high on both ends, things get slow... :/