[01:25:59] <MaxSem>	 brion: should Score output MP3s now, too?
[01:27:28] <brion>	 That's something we'll have to figure out how to make work hehe
[01:28:12] <brion>	 It probably should for consistency, or ideally somehow feed into TMH
[01:30:34] <MaxSem>	 DIE DIE DIE IDEALISTIC FREE FORMAT CREATED TO FIGHT IMMORAL FRAUNHOFER PATENTS
[01:45:39] <no_justification>	 brion: When do patents expire on non-shitty video formats? :P :P :P
[01:46:13] <brion>	 Too effing long
[02:06:37] <Krinkle>	 Isn't that dependant on the author's death? (:evil:) Or is that for copyright only.
[02:08:52] <Krinkle>	 Also, is there a "free license" equivalent to patents, like copyright? I mean, now that we're done considering killing the person, we might want them to consider releasing it under a free form instead. Afaik having a patent and requiring everyone to get a license to use it, are not mutually exclusive right?
[02:49:36] <no_justification>	 Krinkle: You could file a patent and enforce no royalties or such. But if you don't file someone else can.
[02:49:45] <no_justification>	 And if you don't contest their filing, they'd get it
[04:58:28] <tgr>	 no_justification: if you publish and no one else has filed yet, it cannot be patented
[04:58:48] <tgr>	 although the process in which that can be enforced can be abused in various ways
[04:59:50] <no_justification>	 Fair nuff
[05:00:42] <tgr>	 there are "mutual non-agression" patents which is the closest thing to copyleft I am aware of
[05:00:45] <tgr>	 https://github.com/twitter/innovators-patent-agreement
[05:00:54] <tgr>	 no idea how much they are used in practice
[06:29:37] <legoktm>	 MaxSem: brion: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T181875