[15:05:26] continuing my page deletion performance investigation from yesterday, I created a page and a subpage within my sandbox on english wikipedia, but I don't have the option to delete it. Is that permission available, even temporarily, and if so, who would I ask? [15:11:32] You'd need sysop rights on enwiki [15:11:49] bpirkle: but if you just want it deleting, post the link and someone can delete it for you [15:14:01] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BPirkle_(WMF)/sandbox/bar , what I'm interested in is how performant it feels - does perceived performance of the delete operation take longer than expected? [15:17:05] if you want to play with sysop rights, you better do that in eg. test.wikipedia.org [15:17:32] Yeah, that [15:17:47] We can give you rights on testwiki no problem [15:18:17] bpirkle: Want me to delete that for you, and give you rights on testwiki? [15:18:40] Lego did that yesterday. I'm really just trying to triage T207530 (deleting pages on English wikipedia is slow). It was fast for me both locally and on test. [15:18:41] T207530: Deleting pages on the English Wikipedia is very slow - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T207530 [15:19:01] We can give temporary rights on enwiki if you need it [15:19:53] That'd be fine, but if someone will just zap my sandbox page and tell me if it is slow or not, that'll get me going. I just hate to go back to the task with "it was fast for me in places you didn't mention, but I didn't try it in the place you did mention". [15:20:10] (change visibility) 15:19, 23 October 2018 Reedy (WMF) (talk | contribs | block) changed group membership for BPirkle (WMF) from (none) to administrator (temporary, until 15:19, 30 October 2018) (For testing https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T207530) [15:20:28] Given you it for a week [15:20:33] Reedy: thank you [15:20:35] np [20:31:06] James_F: I'm about to run out the door, but re: T196650#4689982, those are intended to be two separate things. No code in core/bundled should trigger deprecation warnings. And any removals of code *in core* should happen after 2 releases. The "Removal of code cannot be done unless" part does not apply to bundled extensions [20:31:07] T196650: Expand the set of bundled extensions and skins in MediaWiki 1.32 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T196650 [20:32:07] legoktm: Oh? That's not how people have interpreted it. I've been shouted at for changing features in WikiEditor with "only" one release of deprecations, let alone doing so immediately. [20:32:35] Either way, the support request load is not trivial. :-( [20:32:58] I wish we had a MediaWiki support & evangelism team who helped people use MW installations. [20:33:39] hmm, I'll clarify it on the talk page later then [20:33:52] but that was my intention when writing it