[06:02:59] <tgr>	 bd808: I just ran into T212045, do you have any pointers on how to fix that?
[06:02:59] <stashbot>	 T212045: Vagrant has Xdebug no longer enabled, preventing debugging and code coverage generation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T212045
[06:03:15] <tgr>	 are the other php packages backported from sid?
[06:04:44] <tgr>	 although sid seems to use 7.3
[06:20:11] <legoktm>	 tgr: the packages are from https://deb.sury.org/, you can get an xdebug package from there, let me find it
[06:20:47] <legoktm>	 https://packages.sury.org/php/pool/main/x/xdebug/php-xdebug_2.7.0~beta1%2B2.6.1%2B2.5.5-2%2B0~20181019070242.5%2Bstretch~1.gbp70417f_amd64.deb
[06:21:58] <_joe_>	 can someone point me to how to create a beta feature for our production wikis?
[06:22:14] <_joe_>	 if there is any documentation for the process, that is
[06:22:53] <legoktm>	 tgr: and cc'd you on T212757
[06:22:54] <stashbot>	 T212757: Please import php-xdebug to apt.wm.o thirdparty/php72 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T212757
[06:23:11] <tgr>	 thanksk legoktm!
[06:23:26] <_joe_>	 legoktm: uh why do we need xdebug?
[06:23:27] <tgr>	 _joe_: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BetaFeatures ?
[06:23:38] <legoktm>	 _joe_: for vagrant
[06:23:42] <_joe_>	 tgr: that's probably it :)
[06:23:54] <_joe_>	 legoktm: can't vagrant use odrey's repo directly
[06:24:15] <_joe_>	 lemme see if it's available, I guess we need to rebuild it
[06:25:04] <_joe_>	 yeah, that's "all" is needed
[06:27:51] <legoktm>	 _joe_: we could, but I think we want vagrant to be as close to prod as reasonably possible, including PHP version
[06:28:19] <_joe_>	 legoktm: we use odrey's packages anyways
[06:28:28] <_joe_>	 but I don't think he provides xdebug, no
[06:28:36] <legoktm>	 but they're not automatically imported AIUI?
[06:28:42] <legoktm>	 he does
[06:28:58] <legoktm>	 s/imported/updated/
[06:29:45] <_joe_>	 he does? so why it's not in thirdparty/php72 atm
[06:29:48] <_joe_>	 lemme check
[06:30:50] <legoktm>	 we don't import all of the packages in it AIUI
[06:31:44] <legoktm>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/operations/puppet/+/production/modules/aptrepo/files/updates#188
[06:32:05] <legoktm>	 but that doesn't seem up to date, since moritzm had imported other packages since then that weren't from the php7.2 source package
[06:35:34] <_joe_>	 https://packages.sury.org/php/pool/main/p/
[06:35:40] <_joe_>	 no xdebug there
[06:35:43] <_joe_>	 anyways
[06:35:54] <_joe_>	 oh under x
[06:35:56] <_joe_>	 lol
[06:35:58] <_joe_>	 ok
[06:36:15] <legoktm>	 :)
[06:36:18] <_joe_>	 yeah I got to talk with moritz about that selection
[09:57:38] <godog>	 hi, I wanted to spread awareness on mw logging moving to the new logging infrastructure (i.e. group1 in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/operations/mediawiki-config/+/481825) what would be the right channels? mail to wikitech-l@ ?
[09:59:46] <tgr>	 the engineering list, maybe?
[10:00:22] <tgr>	 godog: since it only affects people with shell/logstash access and I think those are all subscribed
[10:01:45] <godog>	 tgr: indeed, engineering@ makes more sense, thanks!
[10:04:14] <_joe_>	 I'd send to engineering and ops, probably
[10:31:56] <godog>	 makes sense, sent!
[14:31:05] <James_F>	 _joe_: See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Beta_Features#Creating_your_own too.
[14:31:28] <_joe_>	 James_F: oh thanks
[14:31:39] <James_F>	 Sorry, was out for a walk.
[18:47:56] <subbu>	 anomie, is that spreadsheet good enough for you to work off of for now? Do you need to me to fill out more details?
[18:49:20] <subbu>	 it just lists the properties that are accessed for each of env.conf.wiki or env.conf.parsoid or env.page .. i haven't yet added annotations about whether they are atomic, derived, maps, etc.