[00:55:43] <James_F>	 _joe_: You have fan mail: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Usx7uerq380mzwq3
[11:25:12] <_joe_>	 ok I can confirm the issue with the error page handling with php7 - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ProtectedPages?limit=1000 
[11:26:20] <_joe_>	 with php, you get back a text-only "MediaWiki Internal error"
[20:29:50] <AaronSchulz>	 tgr: do you plan on looking into https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/mediawiki/core/+/475065/ sometime?
[20:39:10] <tgr>	 AaronSchulz: at some point but not soon
[20:39:28] <tgr>	 TBH I feel that choosing the structure test approach was a mistake
[20:40:24] <tgr>	 determining in a structure test that's run with a MySQL setup whether the Oracle update scripts are safe is going to be very fragile
[20:43:42] <AaronSchulz>	 tgr: maybe the LoadExtensionSchemaUpdates hook call could be wrapped in calls that disable/re-enable queries to $db
[20:43:45] * AaronSchulz shrugs
[20:44:56] <AaronSchulz>	 I don't see any need for things to use the $db to decide what updates to add to the array (they should just be idempotent callbacks)
[20:47:56] <tgr>	 well at a minimum $db needs to be used to determine the engine type (and so which update file to run)
[20:49:12] <tgr>	 oh, nvm, you mean SQL queries, not calls to the $db object
[20:49:29] <tgr>	 yeah that's probably a better approach
[20:49:55] <tgr>	 there is already a readonly mode for DB handles, right?
[20:50:20] <tgr>	 I can look into that when I have some free time
[21:07:28] <Krinkle>	 TimStarling: Have you also experienced that when using a mwdebug server via XWD that initially the first one or two requests seem to always time out (60s) before it starts working? 
[21:07:46] <Krinkle>	 I find this somewhat concerning, and this didn't used to be the case ~ 6 months ago.
[21:07:53] <Krinkle>	 (HHVM, default settings)
[21:08:06] <Krinkle>	 I wonder what changed.
[21:09:45] <tgr>	 I have also seen that a couple times (not consistently, I think)
[21:19:59] <Krinkle>	 I can't get anything to load currently in my main browser.
[21:20:10] <Krinkle>	 Been trying to view https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Krinkle/global.js 5 time now, keeps timing out
[21:22:36] <tgr>	 when it happened to me, it happened again after every scap pull, consistently
[21:22:50] <tgr>	 but at other times when I did SWAT it didn't happen
[21:23:58] <Krinkle>	 Hm.. 
[21:24:20] <Krinkle>	 My issue also seems strangely specific to one of my Chrome windows. And only when loading the page as view-source.
[21:24:37] <Krinkle>	 Meh, nevermind, must be Chrome related. Although only happens when XWD is on.