[00:00:28] <bd808>	 "A dependency such as PHPUnit, which is only required for working on the software but not for its operation, must not be present on a production system." is legit, but yeah
[00:09:19] <Reedy>	 Indeed
[00:09:30] <Reedy>	 Especially when composer does stuff like including dev stuff by default..
[00:10:36] <bd808>	 Blaming Sebastian for the horror that Jordi & Nils have made of their project isn't too fair ;)
[00:10:46] * bd808 is on a bag on FLOSS autors roll today
[00:32:46] <Reedy>	 But one exacerbates teh other ;P
[01:13:43] <James_F>	 bd808: At some point, he decided he was OK publishing PHPUnit on packagist for use with composer. That means he bought into the issues.
[01:14:08] <James_F>	 In the same way as if e.g. we released official MW images for EC2, we're endorsing EC2 and all that goes with it.