[00:00:41] <TrevorParscal>	 rdwrer: yeah, I know - unfortunately, while you are correctly redirecting me and I don't think you are doing anything wrong here, you are effectively suggesting I go pick a fight with a designer about a product I know very little about because I'm not personally impressed with something
[00:00:51] <TrevorParscal>	 probably not a good way to use my time or make friends
[00:01:13] <rdwrer>	 Heh
[00:01:19] * James_F  hugs TrevorParscal.

[00:01:27] <rdwrer>	 TrevorParscal: Good point, but it's not like we're not soliciting feedback
[00:01:40] <TrevorParscal>	 where are you soliciting feedback?
[00:01:58] <rdwrer>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Multimedia/About_Media_Viewer
[00:02:05] <rdwrer>	 Bugzilla
[00:02:07] <rdwrer>	 Mingle
[00:02:12] <rdwrer>	 Errrrrverywherrrrre
[00:04:11] <TrevorParscal>	 no offense to the efforts, but there probably will never be a way to solicit feedback from a broad enough audience at WMF, not because of the mechanisms or visibility, but the unresponsiveness
[00:04:15] <TrevorParscal>	 but, I will give it a shot
[00:04:38] <TrevorParscal>	 don't want to sell Pau short based on the likes of his colleagues 
[00:05:44] <rdwrer>	 TrevorParscal: If you have design feedback that's valid, it's better to have it and address it later than not have it and be unable - or so I'd say
[00:07:03] <TrevorParscal>	 I'm going to provide it, I don't want to be a downer... but dude. Where have you been working for the past couple years? Communication about design at Wikimedia is a one way street
[00:07:17] <rdwrer>	 Heh
[00:07:29] <rdwrer>	 TrevorParscal: I don't worry about design too much, I guess
[00:08:45] <rdwrer>	 TrevorParscal: The inline menu - how do I set a value to be displayed in the collapsed widget?
[00:08:57] <rdwrer>	 I want it to show the currently selected value
[00:09:21] <TrevorParscal>	 it uses the value of the selected item
[00:09:34] <TrevorParscal>	 if you don't have a selected item, you can use setLabel()
[00:09:43] <rdwrer>	 Hm.
[00:09:44] <TrevorParscal>	 it already does what you want
[00:09:59] <TrevorParscal>	 for items use OO.ui.MenuItemWidget
[00:10:01] <rdwrer>	 That's weird 'cause it isn't
[00:10:02] <rdwrer>	 Aha.
[00:10:19] <TrevorParscal>	 use the demos/widgets.js as an example
[00:10:21] <TrevorParscal>	 it's the last one
[00:36:14] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Trevor Parscal: [C: 032] [BREAKING CHANGE] Refactor dialog and window sets [oojs/ui] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/112132 (owner: 10Krinkle)
[00:36:41] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: [BREAKING CHANGE] Refactor dialog and window sets [oojs/ui] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/112132 (owner: 10Krinkle)
[00:37:03] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS7) 10Trevor Parscal: [WIP] Convert styles to LESS and implement grunt task [oojs/ui] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114093 
[00:50:05] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Trevor Parscal: Update OOjs UI to v0.1.0-pre (68c91ae065) [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114901 
[00:53:15] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Trevor Parscal: Update OOjs UI to v0.1.0-pre (68c91ae065) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114902 
[00:53:44] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Update OOjs UI to v0.1.0-pre (68c91ae065) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114902 (owner: 10Trevor Parscal)
[02:38:41] <James_F|Away>	 RoanKattouw: Per Trevor, please merge https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/114892/ and https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/114899/ and then do a new OOjs UI build for MW core.
[02:50:15] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Catrope: Update OOjs UI to v0.1.0-pre (68c91ae065) [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114901 (owner: 10Trevor Parscal)
[02:50:33] <RoanKattouw>	 TrevorP|Away: grumble grumble grumble ---^^
[03:17:54] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 04-1] Add OO.ui.InlineMenuWidget (031 comment) [oojs/ui] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114892 (owner: 10Trevor Parscal)
[03:18:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Catrope: Add OO.ui.InlineMenuWidget [oojs/ui] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114892 (owner: 10Trevor Parscal)
[03:18:52] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Catrope: Add OO.ui.InlineMenuWidget [oojs/ui] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114892 (owner: 10Trevor Parscal)
[03:19:01] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Add OO.ui.InlineMenuWidget [oojs/ui] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114892 (owner: 10Trevor Parscal)
[03:19:05] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Trevor Parscal: Basic support for automatically rendering menus above or below [oojs/ui] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114899 
[03:19:12] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Catrope: Basic support for automatically rendering menus above or below [oojs/ui] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114899 (owner: 10Trevor Parscal)
[03:20:30] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Add OO.ui.InlineMenuWidget [oojs/ui] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114892 (owner: 10Trevor Parscal)
[03:37:02] <James_F>	 RoanKattouw: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/113514/
[03:38:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 04-1] "This completely breaks the link inspector's input widget. It tries to render above (instead of below) always, but the suggestions still re" [oojs/ui] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114899 (owner: 10Trevor Parscal)
[03:43:51] <James_F>	 RoanKattouw: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114909
[04:22:48] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Trevor Parscal: [C: 032] Update OOjs UI to v0.1.0-pre (68c91ae065) [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114901 (owner: 10Trevor Parscal)
[04:23:52] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update OOjs UI to v0.1.0-pre (68c91ae065) [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114901 (owner: 10Trevor Parscal)
[15:37:32] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS4) 10Alex Monk: Don't show edit summary preview if it's blank [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114737 
[15:39:29] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Esanders: [C: 032] Don't show edit summary preview if it's blank [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114737 (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[15:41:16] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Don't show edit summary preview if it's blank [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114737 (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[20:52:37] <gry>	 Hello. Which part of VisualEditor should I read to understand how to add support for another skin?
[20:53:20] <gry>	 I already found the 'supported skins' line and added a skin to it, but of course clicking 'edit' produces no reaction and no error.
[20:54:54] <MatmaRex>	 gry: your skin is probably missing some of the ids/classes Vector and Monobook place on their content
[20:55:25] <MatmaRex>	 gry: it will likely be a lot easier for you to add those, than try to get visualeditor to recognize yours
[20:55:27] <gry>	 Right. Where can I read more on which ones VisualEditor uses.
[20:56:10] <gry>	 I'm not very good on skimming through its entire files tree and unerstanding which one is responsible for DOM interaction.
[20:56:30] <MatmaRex>	 i doubt you can read about it anywhere :P my bet would be that it requires #ca-edit at least
[20:56:39] <MatmaRex>	 (since it hooks to clicks on that)
[20:57:19] <MatmaRex>	 or #ca-ve-edit, this can depend on some configuration
[20:58:48] <gry>	 				<li id="ca-ve-edit"><a href="/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&amp;veaction=edit" title="Edit this page with VisualEditor [v]" accesskey="v">Edit</a></li>
[20:58:48] <gry>	 				<li id="ca-edit"><a href="/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&amp;action=edit" title="You can edit this page. Please use the preview button before saving [e]" accesskey="e">Edit source</a></li>
[20:58:51] <gry>	 that seems to be there
[21:08:35] <MatmaRex>	 gry: also, the developers are rarely here on weekends :/ try asking on monday, during working hours San Francisco time
[21:09:10] <gry>	 it's funny how the other skins aren't supported but it's not documented how to do it
[21:09:28] <gry>	 so I end up wasting time of the developers who said they don't want to support other skins :)