[00:00:16] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Jforrester: [BREAKING CHANGE] Emit a single event from confirmation dialog [oojs/ui] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/134620 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65571) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[00:00:27] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 031] [BREAKING CHANGE] Emit a single event from confirmation dialog [oojs/ui] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/134620 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65571) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[00:00:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Jforrester: Clean up interaction with confirmation dialog [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/134621 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65571) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[00:05:46] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 04-1] Attempt to detect slow machines and show an edit notice (031 comment) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135046 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/50518) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[00:07:25] <James_F>	 Krinkle: Looking at MW-core, all 40(!) matches for $.browser. are in resources/lib or tests/qunit/suites/resources (why the duplication, BTW?). :-(
[00:08:32] <James_F>	 Krinkle: jquery.ui is responsible for all but 2 of them.
[00:08:36] * James_F sighs.
[00:09:25] <Krinkle>	 James_F: What duplication?
[00:09:58] <James_F>	 Krinkle: Oh, tests/qunit/suites/resources/jquery/jquery.autoEllipsis.test.js isn't also in resource/lib/… ?
[00:10:12] <Krinkle>	 No?
[00:10:16] <Krinkle>	 We don't test libs
[00:10:29] <Krinkle>	 and for /src/ we maintain the tests in tests like we do for php
[00:10:33] <James_F>	 Oh, yes, autoEllipsis is our own.
[00:10:36] * James_F forgot.
[00:10:41] <Krinkle>	 Is it in lib?
[00:11:00] <Krinkle>	 nope
[00:11:15] <James_F>	 Indeed.
[00:11:28] <James_F>	 Well, I'll fix those two at least.
[00:12:35] <Krinkle>	 nn
[00:12:55] <James_F>	 ?
[00:13:04] <Krinkle>	 Gute Nacht
[00:13:05] <James_F>	 No need?
[00:13:08] <James_F>	 Oh, right. :-)
[00:13:10] <James_F>	 Sleep well.
[00:13:13] <James_F>	 See you… later.
[00:16:01] <Krenair>	 I'm confused about RoanKattouw_away's use of a and b in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/135046/1/modules/ve-mw/init/ve.init.mw.Target.js
[00:22:04] <wikibugs>	 3VisualEditor / 3Editing Tools: VisualEditor: Dialogs initially don't work in Safari 5.x (but do with 6.x+?) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65656#c2 (10ryasmeen) Yes, Confirmed on MAC OSX 10.6 and Safari 5.1. This is happening while opening any dialog for the first time , it does not open even if I try c...
[00:22:42] <Krenair>	 Any idea James_F?
[00:22:53] * James_F looks/
[00:23:48] <James_F>	 Krenair: He's saying that there's a base bootstrapping / initialisation time limit that is going to take some time.
[00:24:05] <Krenair>	 Which, which is b
[00:24:09] <James_F>	 Krenair: What you care about is how slow the machine is (a), but there's also the time taken just to switch it on (b).
[00:24:10] <James_F>	 Yeah.
[00:24:36] <James_F>	 E.g. in the trivial example of an empty document, the DOM is 4 items long, right?
[00:24:38] <Krenair>	 And that I'm checking a+(b/length)
[00:24:52] <Krenair>	 I thought I was checking (a+b)/length
[00:26:22] <James_F>	 Yeah, I'm not sure what Roan's getting at there.
[00:27:12] <Krenair>	 If b is the initialisation time, I'm pretty sure I'm not only dividing that
[00:27:26] <James_F>	 Anyway, I guess this can be solved by if(<time is greater than 0.1s> OR <time is more than 0.01*length>), ish.
[00:27:31] <James_F>	 Well, when a = 0 you are, ish.
[00:27:33] <James_F>	 But yeah.
[00:29:28] <Krenair>	 I agree the processing time is a*length+b
[00:30:05] <James_F>	 Oh.
[00:30:26] <James_F>	 So (a*length+b)/length == a*+(b/length)
[00:30:28] <Krenair>	 Okay, dividing it by length is a+b/length. Applying Maths is hard.
[00:30:33] * James_F grins.
[00:32:04] <Krenair>	 So yeah, what he said makes sense.
[00:33:11] <Krenair>	 For short inputs, b/length could be non-negligible..
[00:35:48] <wikibugs>	 3VisualEditor / 3Editing Tools: VisualEditor: [Regression pre-wmf6] Left aligned Frameless/Basic image does not move to right upon changing the alignment to Right - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65596#c4 (10ryasmeen) This is happening for all image types now.Not just Frameless and Basic
[00:35:49] <wikibugs>	 3VisualEditor / 3Editing Tools: VisualEditor: [Regression pre-wmf6] Left aligned Frameless/Basic image does not move to right upon changing the alignment to Right - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65596 (10ryasmeen) 5REO>3ASS
[00:39:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jforrester: Move Safari 5.x to greylist because dialogs aren't working well [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135154 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65656) 
[00:39:52] <mooeypoo>	 gah, damnit. James_F I had the brilliantest idea of making default alignment a computed attribute, since it basically is. Only, to check whether an image is inline or block the code checks if it's default aligned, and to check if it's default aligned, it checks if it's inline or block. I win the endless loop game \o/
[00:40:07] <Krenair>	 James_F, although "small documents don't suffer from most performance problems" sounds true in theory, does it really work in practice? I don't think UI response times were great on my slow VM... though I'm not entirely confident in my tests there :p
[00:40:09] <James_F>	 mooeypoo: :-(
[00:40:29] <James_F>	 Krenair: It's more that "if the document is crazy-short we can't easily tell". :-)
[00:40:30] <mooeypoo>	 I just need to cache the value, and make sure I constantly update it in all the strategically logical areas.
[00:40:44] <mooeypoo>	 But that error was a doozy.
[00:40:47] <James_F>	 :-(
[00:41:08] <mooeypoo>	 Now. Do I cache the image type or the default alignment. Hmm.
[00:41:12] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Move Safari 5.x to greylist because dialogs aren't working well [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135154 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65656) (owner: 10Jforrester)
[01:32:37] <mooeypoo>	 hm, I'm getting "you're not logged in" notice on master even though I'm logged in. Is this a known bug?
[01:36:52] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Krinkle: [C: 032] Remove IE check (and possible compatibility) from beforepaste/paste event switch [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/132431 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65404) (owner: 10Esanders)
[01:37:30] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Krinkle: "(good to merge, needs conflict resolution though)" [extensions/TemplateData] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/132449 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[01:38:05] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Remove IE check (and possible compatibility) from beforepaste/paste event switch [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/132431 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65404) (owner: 10Esanders)
[01:50:08] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS5) 10Jforrester: Add 'date' type support for ISO 8601 date-times [extensions/TemplateData] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/132449 
[01:50:48] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: "PS5 is a rebase." [extensions/TemplateData] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/132449 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[01:51:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] "Per Timo." [extensions/TemplateData] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/132449 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[01:51:28] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Add 'date' type support for ISO 8601 date-times [extensions/TemplateData] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/132449 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[02:26:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Move Safari 5.x to greylist because dialogs aren't working well [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135154 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65656) (owner: 10Jforrester)
[02:28:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Move Safari 5.x to greylist because dialogs aren't working well [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135154 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65656) (owner: 10Jforrester)
[03:05:08] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Jforrester: Move Safari 5.x to greylist because dialogs aren't working well [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135154 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65656) 
[03:06:09] <RoanKattouw>	 mooeypoo: Chris has been reporting trouble with staying logged in on beta labs
[03:06:10] <RoanKattouw>	 So maybe MW core broke logins recently
[03:07:51] <RoanKattouw>	 mooeypoo: BTW you might be interested to see https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/135167/2
[03:07:53] <RoanKattouw>	 James_F: You too --^^
[03:08:30] <mooeypoo>	 RoanKattouw, I think I did it
[03:08:39] <mooeypoo>	 I think I solved default alignment
[03:08:57] <mooeypoo>	 Knock on wood 99 times before I go completely insane, but I think I did it...
[03:09:00] <mooeypoo>	 muahaha
[03:11:00] * James_F laughs.
[03:12:14] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Mooeypoo: Fix default alignment in MWImageModel [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135168 
[03:12:15] * mooeypoo kackles madly
[03:13:04] <mooeypoo>	 And there's a thunderstorm outside... that was weird timing for a thunder.
[03:13:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Fix default alignment in MWImageModel [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135168 (owner: 10Mooeypoo)
[03:14:15] <James_F>	 Thunder and jenkins-bot's V-1. :-)
[03:17:35] <mooeypoo>	 but but
[03:17:38] <mooeypoo>	 I grunted!
[03:17:50] * mooeypoo mutters
[03:19:16] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Mooeypoo: Fix default alignment in MWImageModel [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135168 
[03:19:21] <mooeypoo>	 also, .docs/eg-iframe.html needs to be updated
[03:19:25] <James_F>	 Yeah.
[03:19:26] * James_F fixed.
[03:19:28] <James_F>	 Err.
[03:19:31] * James_F fixes.
[03:19:44] <mooeypoo>	 awesomesauce. Weird that grunt didn't catch the code style error, but it should be fixed now
[03:19:47] * mooeypoo stares jenkins down
[03:20:52] <mooeypoo>	 now I need to track down the list of bugs this should fix
[03:21:05] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jforrester: Update eg-iframe.html [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135169 
[03:22:55] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Mooeypoo: Fix default alignment in MWImageModel [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135168 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65564) 
[03:23:05] <mooeypoo>	 There we go. I hope it fixes them all.
[03:23:10] <mooeypoo>	 One fix to rule them all!
[03:23:16] * James_F grins.
[03:23:17] <mooeypoo>	 My preciouuuus
[03:25:00] <mooeypoo>	 I'm hopign the UX makes sense. I made it so if the image had default alignment and you change its type, it adapts automatically in the UI -- but if it didn't have default (like, the user chose a direction that is NOT default position) the position will stick even with type change.
[03:25:24] <mooeypoo>	 James_F, that works, *but* it can have small issues especially if the user changes the type or position multiple times without applying
[03:25:29] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] Move Safari 5.x to greylist because dialogs aren't working well [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135154 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65656) (owner: 10Jforrester)
[03:25:51] <James_F>	 mooeypoo: That sounds reasonable.
[03:26:31] <mooeypoo>	 I could make the dialog always remember whatever was previously selected, but it didn't seem to be horribly needed. Then again, the UX might be confusing... in any case adding it shouldn't be terrible.
[03:27:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Move Safari 5.x to greylist because dialogs aren't working well [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135154 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65656) (owner: 10Jforrester)
[03:31:29] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Fix default alignment in MWImageModel [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135168 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65564) (owner: 10Mooeypoo)
[03:32:03] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jforrester: Fix default alignment in MWImageModel [extensions/VisualEditor] (wmf/1.24wmf6) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135171 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65564) 
[03:32:12] <mooeypoo>	 err James_F the patchset didn't seem to update all of the bugzilla bugs for some reason
[03:32:26] <mooeypoo>	 oh, shoot, it's the space isn't it?
[03:32:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Update eg-iframe.html [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135169 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[03:32:45] <James_F>	 mooeypoo: It is. Don't worry, I'll do it manually. :-)
[03:32:53] <mooeypoo>	 thanks!
[03:33:03] <mooeypoo>	 It updated one of them, I think
[03:33:04] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Fix default alignment in MWImageModel [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135168 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65564) (owner: 10Mooeypoo)
[03:33:06] <mooeypoo>	 weird.
[03:33:09] <mooeypoo>	 but yaaaaaay
[03:33:15] <mooeypoo>	 merged! it's merged! my precccccccious
[03:33:57] * James_F grins.
[03:34:30] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update eg-iframe.html [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135169 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[03:35:18] <wikibugs>	 3VisualEditor / 3Editing Tools: VisualEditor: Dialogs initially don't work in Safari 5.x (but do with 6.x+?) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65656 (10James Forrester) 5PAT>3ASS p:5Normal>3Low s:5normal>3major
[03:36:05] <wikibugs>	 3VisualEditor / 3Editing Tools: VisualEditor: [Regression pre-wmf6] Left aligned Frameless/Basic image does not move to right upon changing the alignment to Right - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65596 (10James Forrester) 5PAT>3RES/FIX a:5Moriel Schottlender>3Roan Kattouw
[03:37:03] <wikibugs>	 3VisualEditor / 3Technical Debt: VisualEditor: Remove use of jQuery.browser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65404 (10James Forrester) 5PAT>3RES/FIX
[03:37:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jforrester: Update VE core submodule to master (d2c88c9) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135174 
[03:39:26] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Truncate undo stack before applying staged changes [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135129 (owner: 10Esanders)
[03:39:52] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Update VE core submodule to master (d2c88c9) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135174 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[03:40:18] <James_F>	 RoanKattouw: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/135013/2
[03:40:39] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Truncate undo stack before applying staged changes [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135129 (owner: 10Esanders)
[03:41:32] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update VE core submodule to master (d2c88c9) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135174 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[03:42:00] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Fix default alignment in MWImageModel [extensions/VisualEditor] (wmf/1.24wmf6) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135171 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65564) (owner: 10Jforrester)
[03:42:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Catrope: Use registered target, instead of ve.init.Target [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135013 (owner: 10Esanders)
[03:43:52] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Fix default alignment in MWImageModel [extensions/VisualEditor] (wmf/1.24wmf6) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135171 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65564) (owner: 10Jforrester)
[03:44:24] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Use registered target, instead of ve.init.Target [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135013 (owner: 10Esanders)
[03:50:24] <wikibugs>	 3VisualEditor / 3Editing Tools: VisualEditor: [Regression pre-wmf6] While changing the Image Type to Frame/Basic, it automatically selects the alignment as Left when it is positioned at the right of the page, but it doesn't change position in CE surface until save - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65564 (10J...
[03:50:48] <wikibugs>	 3VisualEditor / 3Editing Tools: VisualEditor: [Regression wmf18] Making an image Right, Basic and Border does not include the Right and Border in the wikitext - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62852 (10James Forrester) 5ASS>3RES/FIX
[03:50:48] <wikibugs>	 3VisualEditor / 3Editing Tools: VisualEditor: [Regression pre-wmf6] For a left aligned thumbnail and Frame image, unchecking the wrapping option moves it to the right side of the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65617 (10James Forrester) 5ASS>3RES/FIX
[03:51:09] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 04-1] Optionally allow undo while staging. (033 comments) [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135130 (owner: 10Esanders)
[03:52:47] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Jforrester: Cleanup createSurface methods [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135014 (owner: 10Esanders)
[03:53:09] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 04-1] Use registered target, instead of ve.init.Target (031 comment) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135013 (owner: 10Esanders)
[03:54:06] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Cleanup createSurface methods [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135014 (owner: 10Esanders)
[03:54:47] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Jforrester: Add createSurface to base target [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135012 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65642) (owner: 10Esanders)
[03:54:52] <James_F>	 RoanKattouw: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/135012/
[03:55:08] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: "@Krinkle: Ironically, the global scope problem you're afraid of does actually occur, but in the VE-MW change: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org" [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135012 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65642) (owner: 10Esanders)
[03:58:29] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: "@Ed: AFAICT, you can in fact instantiate a SurfaceWidget without a Target (at least without this commit). Commands and stuff are passed in" [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135012 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65642) (owner: 10Esanders)
[04:02:13] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Catrope: Move DesktopContext.css into desktop module [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135001 (owner: 10Esanders)
[04:02:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Move DesktopContext.css into desktop module [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135001 (owner: 10Esanders)
[04:04:02] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Move DesktopContext.css into desktop module [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135001 (owner: 10Esanders)
[04:04:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Remove DesktopContext.css/js from core, leave in desktop [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/134854 (owner: 10Esanders)
[04:06:13] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Remove DesktopContext.css/js from core, leave in desktop [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/134854 (owner: 10Esanders)
[04:06:33] <wikibugs>	 3VisualEditor / 3MediaWiki integration: VisualEditor: PageTriage UI appears after save - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65702 (10James Forrester) 5NEW>3ASS p:5Unprio>3High s:5normal>3minor
[06:04:30] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Mooeypoo: [WIP] Refactor TemplateData Editor [extensions/TemplateData] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/134928 
[06:04:32] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] [WIP] Refactor TemplateData Editor [extensions/TemplateData] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/134928 (owner: 10Mooeypoo)
[06:08:52] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Mooeypoo: [WIP] Refactor TemplateData Editor [extensions/TemplateData] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/134928 
[06:09:15] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] [WIP] Refactor TemplateData Editor [extensions/TemplateData] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/134928 (owner: 10Mooeypoo)
[06:25:44] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Mooeypoo: [WIP] Refactor TemplateData Editor [extensions/TemplateData] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/134928 
[06:26:04] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] [WIP] Refactor TemplateData Editor [extensions/TemplateData] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/134928 (owner: 10Mooeypoo)
[06:27:28] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS5) 10Mooeypoo: [WIP] Refactor TemplateData Editor [extensions/TemplateData] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/134928 
[08:13:48] <wikibugs>	 3VisualEditor: [Regression] Categories and DEFAULTSORT meta items getting modified to strip default whitespace? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65647#c4 (10NicoV) Other example that also displays other problems (extra characters at the beginning, and strange characters in the text ☃☃) https://fr.wikipedia.o...
[10:42:51] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Esanders: Optionally allow undo while staging [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135130 
[10:42:53] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Esanders: Stage slugs [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135131 
[13:16:09] <dpk>	 hi
[13:16:26] <dpk>	 has anyone successfully used VisualEditor on a non-MediaWiki site?
[13:16:33] <dpk>	 has that been worked at all yet?
[13:38:37] <mvolz>	 I'm not sure. The VE team might know, they're here on workdays on California time.
[13:38:51] <mvolz>	 There was someone on here a month ago that I remember was working in it.
[13:44:43] <mvolz>	 dpk: their name was nummi. in the April logs for the channel
[13:45:08] <mvolz>	 Not sure if  they ever got it working or not.
[13:45:11] <dpk>	 ooh, okay, thanks
[13:45:15] <dpk>	 i will take a look
[13:46:02] <mvolz>	 but like I said, the VE team probably would have a much better idea  about what's been done besides that :)
[22:09:28] <James_F>	 Heya.
[22:09:30] <James_F>	 dpk: No-one's admitted that they've got it working outside MediaWiki (other than the stand-alone we provide), at least. :-(
[23:09:24] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Esanders: WIP Stage slugs [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135131