[01:20:14] (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 04-1] "Excellent idea. Minor comments inline" (032 comments) [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/167388 (owner: 10Esanders) [01:26:08] (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 04-1] "Great idea! Inline comment about typo" (031 comment) [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/167387 (owner: 10Esanders) [01:26:32] (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Use better unicorn image data [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/167365 (owner: 10Esanders) [01:28:03] (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 04-1] Add button to debug bar to enable input debugging (031 comment) [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/167366 (owner: 10Esanders) [01:28:28] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Use better unicorn image data [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/167365 (owner: 10Esanders) [08:10:55] (03PS2) 10Esanders: Stage a space when inserting a special character [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/167388 [08:12:01] (03PS2) 10Esanders: Stage an empty comment node when inserting [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/167387 [14:21:09] 3MediaWiki / 3Page editing: Separate edit summaries when adding comments to a page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8341#c2 (10Andre Klapper) (In reply to Tsee from comment #0) > Currently, when adding a new section to a user or article talk page, the > section header automatically becomes the Edit Summary... [14:26:30] (03PS1) 10Esanders: Remove insertion insepctor class [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/167443 [15:37:21] (03PS1) 10Esanders: Fix height calculation in fragment inspector [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/167446 [15:45:51] (03PS3) 10Esanders: Stage a space when inserting a special character [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/167388 [15:45:53] (03PS2) 10Esanders: Remove insertion insepctor class [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/167443 [16:30:40] Corruption alert: visualeditor-needcheck on zhwiki: https://zh.wikipedia.org/?diff=33018467 [16:30:40] Corruption alert: visualeditor-needcheck on dawiki: https://da.wikipedia.org/?diff=7824975 [16:39:01] (03PS2) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: [WIP] Display keyboard shortcuts in right gutter of toolbar menus [oojs/ui] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/166627 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/71855) [17:11:20] (03CR) 10Paladox: WikiEditor: Convert .css to .less and also fixes SVG issues. [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/151203 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35342) (owner: 10Paladox) [17:11:37] (03CR) 10Paladox: [C: 031] "Please review again." [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/151203 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35342) (owner: 10Paladox) [17:17:38] (03PS1) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: build: Introduce 'quick-build' task [oojs/ui] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/167449 [18:13:16] (03PS3) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: Display keyboard shortcuts in right gutter of toolbar menus [oojs/ui] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/166627 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/71855) [18:14:50] (03CR) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: "I did some thinking and some poking and I'm sufficiently happy with this version. I'm also contemplating rewriting both PopupToolGroups' s" [oojs/ui] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/166627 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/71855) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [18:25:10] Hi, we started developing a wiki on translation recently (www.tradwiki.net.br only in Portuguese for now) and we would like to adopt the visual editor. It's being quite difficult to find help. Could someone here indicate where to find basic help or give us some direct support? [18:30:24] Daniel_01, There are instructions on how to install here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VisualEditor to have VisualEditor working, you will need to install Parsoid as well, which works on NodeJS. Do you have NodeJS in your host or an ability to install it on your web server? [18:34:02] Can we go pvt? I have very basic questions and perhaps I could flood this chat with my dumbness. [18:34:51] Asking in the channel will be better, because then others may be able to contribute answers. Don't worry about "flooding" the channel, it's what it's here for :) [18:35:09] Great :) [18:36:47] Well, I have two techfriends that certainly could answer you better. I'm not sure if we have NodeJS. So far, what I was told is that we need an exclusive server to be able to implement VE. [18:38:00] The only reason I can think of that this would be the case (and 'exclusive' server) is because you need NodeJS [18:38:24] and while there are web hosts that have it implemented, most don't just yet, and when they don't, I'm not sure they let you install it on the server. [18:38:49] Without NodeJS you won't be able to have Parsoid, which is the underlying service that allows VisualEditor to work in MediaWiki [18:39:09] Daniel_01, you can see information about nodejs here: http://nodejs.org/ [18:39:52] So, Parsoid installation is here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid/Setup and VisualEditor installation is here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VisualEditor [18:40:18] And the second link also has instructions on how to connect the two together. But nodeJS is pretty essential; you will have to check if your server has it, or if you can get a server that has it. [18:40:26] Or if you can install it, maybe. [18:41:16] So, we don't have it and we need to change the server to one with support to all of that. [18:41:36] Yeah :\ [18:42:30] But, of course we don't have the money to pay a proper webserver. But I'm sure there must be a way, since other wikis are adopting it. [18:43:00] There's a list of compatible hosts in the nodejs github: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Node-Hosting [18:43:02] might help. [18:43:10] Hmm. [18:43:51] And VisualEditor would make a great difference to atract collaboration (that's why it's being developped, right?) [18:43:53] I'm not sure. I know you need Parsoid with NodeJS, but I am not sure if you can use it remotely. There might be a way, but to answer that I will have to ask the Parsoid folks, and this is a weekend, so they're not around right now :) [18:44:02] It is indeed. And we'd love to have more people use it. [18:44:23] Daniel_01, can you come back tomorrow? We will have more people around, and I can ask if anyone may have a creative idea that might help you. [18:45:04] Sure, of course! I will check if the tech guys can join as well. Any prefered time? [18:46:14] Around this time will be good, but probably any time from around 10am to 5-6pm California time would work [18:46:30] Probably after, too, but the best time would be somewhere within that range. [18:47:55] Yeah! I'll be here! Great. It's excelent to have real people to give us a hand. :) [18:49:26] We'd love to help! [18:49:36] Or at least try :) [18:50:04] Daniel_01: basically any VPS will work [18:50:42] those tend to start at around 99¢/month, for example https://www.atlantic.net/ [18:52:20] Nice. [18:52:48] gwicke! hi :) yay [18:53:36] another popular one is https://www.digitalocean.com/ [18:54:16] Is there any specific recommendation to choose a VPS? Or anyone will be fine? [18:54:59] any vps should let you run nodejs [18:55:11] *nod* [18:55:37] I'd pick Ubuntu or Debian for the distro [18:55:52] basically every provider offers that [18:56:24] 256m ram should be fine for a small wiki with parsoid [18:56:36] it's tight though [18:56:56] but 99¢ is hard to beat ;) [18:57:31] I'm not sure about the volume, it's still pretty small, no heavy media, basically text and a few images. [18:57:45] if your wiki is slightly bigger, then investing $4 or $5 per month for 512m of ram would be a good idea [18:58:04] you can typically upgrade later as well [18:58:06] That's possible [18:58:33] yes, I thing that is the way [18:59:01] there's sites for various offers, for example http://lowendbox.com/tag/openvz/ [18:59:02] We intend it to grow, even to incorporate othe languages [18:59:33] a lot of competition these days, which is good for us consumers ;) [19:00:42] But, we still need to set the infrastructure, find proper layout and all that stuff. Yeah, many options, sometimes it gets hard to choose :) [19:04:18] Thank you, guys, you already gave me some starting points. But I'll certainly come back with more doubts ;) [19:09:09] Wow, I had no idea VPS can be that cheap. Most "big" hosting companies make it an expensive upgrade [19:13:51] (03PS1) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: ve.ui.MWFormatTool: Update heading size CSS for new OOUI version [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/167455 [19:14:24] (03PS1) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: ve.ui.FormatTool: Update heading size CSS for new OOUI version [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/167456 [19:14:50] (03CR) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: [C: 04-2] "Needs I38fa56aabf2e857e070f521a1aa8c2da66c044ba merged and pulled." [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/167455 (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [19:14:54] (03CR) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: [C: 04-2] "Needs I38fa56aabf2e857e070f521a1aa8c2da66c044ba merged and pulled." [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/167456 (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [19:15:55] (03PS4) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: Display keyboard shortcuts in right gutter of toolbar menus [oojs/ui] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/166627 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/71855) [19:16:37] ugh, i really need to get vagrant. [19:18:50] why? [19:21:09] 3VisualEditor / 3Language: VisualEditor: Pawning prevention code in ve.ce.Surface sometimes prevents some legit keypresses from being handled (e.g. typing “ą” in Polish on a new line) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67367#c4 (10Bartosz Dziewoński) a:5Bartosz Dziewoński>3None I can still reproduce on b... [19:22:35] Krenair: i currently develop on windows and have a ubuntu VM where i run a testing wiki, and pushing out updates to submodules to the VM via SSH turns out to be a major pain [19:22:45] lol [19:23:18] i like this way since it lets me run a known state of the code, rather than whatever happens to be in the work tree [19:24:02] (i did some setup and pushing the code for core/extensions/skins is one command on the host) [19:24:34] but submodules, ugh… evil stuff [19:25:13] I used to do that MatmaRex [19:25:14] yeah, I've probably screwed up a few times testing due to forgetting about what changes I had made to my work tree [19:25:29] But vagrant didn't work for me very well; I ended up just working in the VM [19:25:39] simple solution: replace windows with ubuntu [19:25:52] You'd be surprised about how *not* simple this may be :\ [19:26:07] Some of the new computers lock stuff in the BIOS, it gets really a pain in the butt [19:26:23] And I needed to have SOME windows installation for school, so I wanted a dual boot [19:26:26] Krenair: i could do that, but seems not worth the effort for me [19:26:33] that was almost impossible with Windows 8 [19:26:35] mooeypoo, so you can stick windows in a VM [19:26:52] i've got too many things set up *just* the way i want them to be [19:27:01] Yup, but that also meant doing that in the middle of a semester when I need stuff for school [19:27:07] plus what MatmaRex just said [19:27:13] i'll consider ubuntu again when windows 7 is EOL ;) [19:27:23] it's not that simple. But MatmaRex try to work in the VM? [19:28:01] i could probably also try to figure out how to share some directory between host and guest [19:28:10] hahaha [19:28:17] MatmaRex, what vm are you using? [19:28:23] (afaik that's one of the things vagrant does) [19:28:32] virtualbox [19:28:44] I worked with virtualbox, and transfered to vmware -- I loved vmware a LOT more i have to say [19:28:51] vmware player is free [19:29:05] yes, virtualbox (which is what vagrant uses) lets you share directories between host and guest [19:29:18] Both do, yeah [19:30:20] i'm apparently going to have some "fun" with vmware at uni soon, i have sql and database design class (lol) where we run mssql server on windows 7 on fedora via vmware [19:30:48] O.O [19:30:50] ... why? [19:30:55] yes... why... [19:30:55] don't ask me [19:31:18] i just couldn't decide which part of that stack is the weirdest [19:31:20] I had that class too, but the prof didn't care what system we're using as long as it was SQL [19:31:30] could use mySQL or MSSQL or whatever you wanted [19:32:08] yeah, the syntax is close enough between them all for the boring stuff we're going to do [19:32:21] but the lab computers run fedora with vmware with win7 with mssql [19:32:27] I probably still have my project and report somewhere [19:32:34] oi vey [19:33:37] did anyone use mssql? [19:43:57] ... maybe in the 90s or something [19:44:09] I used all kinds of weird stuff when I was little(r) [19:44:22] I even did .asp stuff. [19:44:27] * mooeypoo shakes her head [20:20:02] Is there a tracked bug for that? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bighorn_River_(Alberta)&diff=630280487&oldid=558550584 [20:20:31] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bighorn_River_(Alberta\)&diff=630280487&oldid=558550584 [20:20:45] hmm... there was some way to get irc clients to link these things... [20:21:01] exclamation mark "link"? [20:21:37] ah well anyway, FDMS [20:21:55] the issue here is the
in the see also section title? [20:22:21] Exactly. [20:24:16] so it looks like you tried to swap the references and see also sections around [20:24:32] Exactly. [20:24:44] Not exactly. [20:24:48] ... [20:24:52] I had to delete the references section. [20:25:00] then remake it underneath? [20:25:20] Yes. And, the "See also" got plain, I had to re-h2 it. [20:34:03] mvolz: James_F|Away: There is a phpcs SublimeLinter package indeed, but unlike jshint and jscs packages, phpcs has no standard configuration format so unless you manually configure it (globally) to use mediawiki's phpcs config, it's useless. [20:34:24] that is, it has no way of finding the config relative to the file you're editing [20:41:55] FDMS, I'm not personally aware of a bug for this [20:42:16] Krenair: So shall I open a bug? Or you? [20:43:00] You can try creating a bug [20:43:28] If someone else knows of one already existing for this, that's fine, it will just be marked as a duplicate [20:43:41] OK, thanks, will do so. [20:43:48] A helpful bug describes exactly what you did to reach the issue/error [20:44:03] I know :) [20:44:16] I *even* have a bugzilla account [20:44:57] (sorry, I wasn't sure how familiar you were with it) [20:45:15] No a problem [20:45:17] *not [20:47:39] Krenair: Component? [20:49:14] General, I think. [20:49:27] Thanks. [21:10:55] Krenair: related, but probably different: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68800