[00:05:31] <mooeypoo>	 RoanKattouw, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/204327/
[00:07:11] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Move 'applyStaging' after the operation is done in Citoid [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204327 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96120) (owner: 10Mooeypoo)
[00:07:59] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-04-22_(1.26wmf3): "Undo" only undoes Citoid's addition of content, not the whole ref (aka Citoid inserts empty <ref/> tags) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96120#1210955 (10Jdforre...
[00:08:03] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-04-22_(1.26wmf3): "Undo" only undoes Citoid's addition of content, not the whole ref (aka Citoid inserts empty <ref/> tags) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96120#1208780 (10Jdforre...
[00:13:41] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile, 6Mobile-Web, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 5Patch-For-Review: Rewrite the edit summary screen of VisualEditorOverlay in oojs ui - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96188#1210974 (10Jdlrobson)
[00:18:03] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Make adding sortkeys for DEFAULTSORT easier - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96116#1210990 (10coldchrist) From a user's point of view, I think the best thing VE could do for articles with DEFAULTSORT not set is to put the text of the article title in the default sort field so it's available f...
[00:18:40] <RoanKattouw>	 Krenair: So IIRC this morning you asked me a question about https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95919
[00:18:47] <RoanKattouw>	 Krenair: I'm not sure how to deal with that
[00:19:04] <Krenair>	 halfak had an idea
[00:19:11] <RoanKattouw>	 Except maybe clearing the ID on save
[00:19:34] <Krenair>	 though I'm not sure it makes sense
[00:19:36] <Krenair>	 what is the parentRevId field? :/
[00:20:26] <RoanKattouw>	 Ahm
[00:20:32] <RoanKattouw>	 revid the edit was based on maybe?
[00:22:24] <Krenair>	 I recognise it from somewhere
[00:28:50] <Krenair>	 RoanKattouw, it's a hidden input in the edit form
[00:29:27] <Krenair>	 revision you're currently editing from, yes
[00:29:56] <Krenair>	 RoanKattouw, but then we have to query the server to find out what the current version of the page is
[00:35:22] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Krinkle: [C: 032] "Excellent." [oojs/ui] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204326 (owner: 10Kmenger)
[00:36:55] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: VE should prompt user to log in if they are not logged in and their IP is anononly blocked - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95752#1211129 (10Krenair) {T95072} would help here, given this text comes straight from the API
[00:43:12] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Create a preview widget for generated content nodes [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204129 (owner: 10Mooeypoo)
[00:46:03] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Move 'applyStaging' after the operation is done in Citoid [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204327 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96120) (owner: 10Mooeypoo)
[01:01:31] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: editSessionID is duplicated in Edit:Schema for Wikitext - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95919#1211150 (10Krenair) Urgh. Then we'd have to query the API to check the latest revision ID for the page, every time you open the edit page?
[01:05:33] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: MenuLayout: Add example [oojs/ui] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204326 (owner: 10Kmenger)
[01:13:19] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Create a preview widget for generated content nodes [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204129 (owner: 10Mooeypoo)
[01:13:39] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] "…" [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204129 (owner: 10Mooeypoo)
[01:13:50] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Newly made links are red until page is saved - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T75741#1211174 (10Krenair) 5Open>3Invalid I can replicate the issue. I think it's separate - the reason those links get marked red is because their CE elements get a blank href element set somehow. Do you want to...
[01:13:55] <Krenair>	 That's pretty weird ^
[01:14:34] <Krenair>	 <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="" title="International Standard Book Number" id="mwAw" class="new">ISBN</a>
[01:15:01] <RoanKattouw>	 Ugh, href="" ?
[01:15:07] <RoanKattouw>	 Again?
[01:15:08] <Krenair>	 <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="" title="Special:BookSources/isbn" id="mwBA" class="new">isbn</a>
[01:15:10] <Krenair>	 yes
[01:15:11] <RoanKattouw>	 I thought we'd fixed that bug
[01:15:17] <James_F>	 Magic links suck.
[01:15:29] <Krenair>	 Parsoid gives us valid-looking output though
[01:15:33] <RoanKattouw>	 Yes
[01:15:35] <RoanKattouw>	 But we fixed this!
[01:15:37] <RoanKattouw>	 Somewhere!
[01:15:40] * RoanKattouw searches
[01:15:45] <James_F>	 Did we re-break it?
[01:15:47] <Krenair>	 How recently?
[01:15:51] <Krenair>	 I just tested it on enwiki
[01:15:52] <RoanKattouw>	 Last week I think
[01:15:54] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh OK
[01:15:59] <RoanKattouw>	 Then maybe the fix is in the pipeline
[01:16:46] <RoanKattouw>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/202942/
[01:16:47] <RoanKattouw>	 wmf2
[01:18:04] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Newly made links are red until page is saved - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T75741#1211179 (10Krenair) Right, it was T95247
[01:18:14] <Krenair>	 thanks RoanKattouw 
[01:18:36] <Krenair>	 James_F, the first time I discovered them in MediaWiki I was shocked
[01:18:53] <RoanKattouw>	 Thanks for reminding me though that I need to watch for that being preserved in the PreviewWidget commit
[01:18:54] <Krenair>	 At some point, someone with mediawiki commit access thought this was a good idea
[01:18:56] <James_F>	 Krenair: Auto ISBNs?
[01:19:10] <James_F>	 Krenair: They've been around since before templates and categories, I think.
[01:19:12] <Krenair>	 magic links in general
[01:19:33] <James_F>	 Krenair: They do suck, but more generally they go in a different direction to how the rest of MediaWiki went.
[01:19:39] <James_F>	 Which itself sucks most.
[01:20:02] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: editSessionID is duplicated in Edit:Schema for Wikitext - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95919#1211197 (10Halfak) Maybe you could store the sessionId some other way[1] and destroy it upon loading the completed edit screen.  I'm worried that speculating...
[01:22:40] <Krenair>	 cookies... Didn't we think about cookies RoanKattouw?
[01:23:04] <Krenair>	 I think we thought localstorage would not work due to it being filled up in some cases
[01:23:26] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah localStorage is full on Firefox because ori 
[01:32:14] <Krenair>	 RoanKattouw, any thoughts re. cookies?
[01:33:39] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah we could use a cookie
[01:34:58] <RoanKattouw>	 Instead of relying on the session
[01:35:00] <RoanKattouw>	 That seems sensible
[01:35:07] <RoanKattouw>	 But
[01:35:21] <RoanKattouw>	 In either case, we'd want to recompute the session ID once a session ends, right?
[01:35:43] <RoanKattouw>	 How is that easier or harder if we use server-side session storage vs a cookie>?
[01:35:50] <Krenair>	 right, on saveSuccess or abort or whatever
[01:36:06] <Krenair>	 it needs to be accessible by the client for events like ready or abort
[01:36:17] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah
[01:36:30] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Create a preview widget for generated content nodes [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204129 (owner: 10Mooeypoo)
[01:36:38] <RoanKattouw>	 But, what about abandon
[01:36:46] <RoanKattouw>	 Maybe we should clear on init instead? Is that feasible?
[01:37:15] <Krenair>	 I think so
[01:37:37] <ori>	 RoanKattouw: that's only true in a very small number of cases
[01:37:57] <RoanKattouw>	 I suppose that's true
[01:38:06] <RoanKattouw>	 You would have to have visited a large-ish number of wikis
[01:38:21] <RoanKattouw>	 So in the population it's probably rare, but among developers it's very common
[01:39:44] <Krenair>	 yeah my account would be doomed
[01:40:10] <ori>	 I also think the behavior had been fixed
[01:40:14] <ori>	 it's only for older versions of FF
[01:40:35] <ori>	 I have notes about this somewhere in phab..
[01:40:42] <ori>	 I'm on the bus but I'll look later
[01:40:44] <RoanKattouw>	 OK
[01:41:11] <ori>	 but like I said before, a better approach might be to push back on all this elaborate analytics
[01:41:12] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS1) 10Jforrester: Update VE core submodule to master (fd363f4) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204431 
[01:41:28] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Update VE core submodule to master (fd363f4) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204431 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[01:41:31] <ori>	 we're always very eager to collect data but when time comes to analyze it everyone is suddenly suspiciously busy
[01:42:10] <RoanKattouw>	 ori: In this case communications wants it, I think
[01:45:58] <ori>	 the way it plays out is usually: <data_analyst> What question do you want to answer? <product_manager> I don't know; I'm confused. <data_analyst> I better collect a lot of data then. <programmer> OMG, I can't collect all this data! <product_manager> But data_analyst says we need it.
[01:46:33] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update VE core submodule to master (fd363f4) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204431 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[01:46:34] <ori>	 well, my caricature unfairly maligns product manager; in truth everyone is culpable
[01:47:04] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS14) 10Catrope: [PULL THROUGH] Use the preview widget in context items [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/200762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93042) (owner: 10Mooeypoo)
[01:47:06] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS4) 10Jforrester: Don't self-instantiate platform [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/203677 (owner: 10Esanders)
[01:47:09] <ori>	 oh, let's not forget:
[01:47:12] <ori>	 ...six month passes...
[01:47:16] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS15) 10Catrope: Use the preview widget in context items [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/200762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93042) (owner: 10Mooeypoo)
[01:47:46] <ori>	 <springle> Hi, FooSchema_123 table has 65 million rows -- do we need all of them? <programmer> Dunno, I think so. <data_analyst> Dunno, I think so. <product_manager> Dunno, I think so.
[01:48:16] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Use the preview widget in context items [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/200762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93042) (owner: 10Mooeypoo)
[01:48:21] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: "PS4 updates extension.json too." [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/203677 (owner: 10Esanders)
[01:48:44] <ori>	 the way you can push back as a developer is to explain that the implementation costs are nontrivial and to demand a very clear research proposal before you go and implement anything.
[01:49:05] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Don't self-instantiate platform [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/203677 (owner: 10Esanders)
[01:49:09] <Krenair>	 ori, I wonder how many rows I'm responsible for in the edit schema table :/
[01:49:53] <HaeB>	 what's a good reply to this: https://twitter.com/Nick_Lange_/status/587955238226763776 "@mediawiki is there any working WYSIWYG Editor for the actual release?"
[01:50:06] <Krenair>	 I didn't collect all the data but I collected (almost) everything needed to do some analysis
[01:50:14] <HaeB>	 just tweet back with the link to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VisualEditor ?
[01:50:28] <Krenair>	 sounds good to me
[01:50:55] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 04-1] Use the new ve.ui.PreviewWidget to display citation previews (031 comment) [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/202607 (owner: 10Mooeypoo)
[01:51:43] <ori>	 HaeB: "No; VisualEditor is not bundled with MediaWiki yet. But fear not, installation is straightforward: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VisualEditor"
[01:54:01] <Krenair>	 "for the actual release", hmm
[01:54:07] <HaeB>	 Krenair, ori : thanks, done https://twitter.com/mediawiki/status/588520556460314624
[01:54:32] <HaeB>	 huh, can still delete it again ;)
[01:56:04] <HaeB>	 Krenair: seems to be a german native speaker, so "actual" might be a false friend for "current"
[01:56:37] <Krenair>	 did we have some issues with REL1_24 perhaps? :/
[01:57:57] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Use the preview widget in context items [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/200762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93042) (owner: 10Mooeypoo)
[01:58:21] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Tables: Bugfix for CSV drag and drop into VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96218#1211264 (10Pine) 3NEW
[01:58:45] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] "…" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/200762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93042) (owner: 10Mooeypoo)
[01:59:29] <Josve05a>	 Krenair: You said in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135 you can't reproduse it. Can you open https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/sfs?veaction=edit for me and check? and say wich beowser you're on?
[01:59:55] <Krenair>	 hmm, you triaged it yourself?
[02:00:39] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 04-1] "No substantial comments" (031 comment) [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/201874 (owner: 10Divec)
[02:00:42] <Krenair>	 but chrome...
[02:01:24] <Josve05a>	 Krenair: I did, but not intentionally knowing why...
[02:01:47] <Krenair>	 Anyway I checked again and could not reproduce the issue
[02:01:51] <Josve05a>	 Is a breaker for me on svwp. Seemed high to me
[02:02:09] <Josve05a>	 I can reproduce it 100% of the times in this browser
[02:02:32] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: Cursor holders for native cursoring to ce=false nodes (031 comment) [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/201874 (owner: 10Divec)
[02:02:34] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] Add get(Col|Row)Count to TableSelection and use in isFull* [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204271 (owner: 10Esanders)
[02:02:36] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Don't self-instantiate platform [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/203677 (owner: 10Esanders)
[02:03:02] <Josve05a>	 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/jYY9r4b7/Screenshot+2015-04-15+at+23.43.24.png
[02:04:42] <Krenair>	 I believe you that it happened but I don't know why it's behaving like that for you and not me
[02:05:28] <Josve05a>	 I'm using version 685e7ff, you too? Just a thought...
[02:05:59] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Use the preview widget in context items [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/200762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93042) (owner: 10Mooeypoo)
[02:06:02] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Add get(Col|Row)Count to TableSelection and use in isFull* [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204271 (owner: 10Esanders)
[02:08:35] <Josve05a>	 Krenair: anything in console or something I could gather for you?
[02:09:29] <Krenair>	 I wish I had the magic power to see into user's JS consoles but unfortunately I don't
[02:09:43] <Krenair>	 It's your job to tell me if there's anything in your console :)
[02:10:24] <Josve05a>	 I could perhaps make https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chrome-remote-desktop/gbchcmhmhahfdphkhkmpfmihenigjmpp?hl=sv work?
[02:11:39] <Josve05a>	 wanna give it a try? I'm compleatly lost when it comes to codes...
[02:15:20] <Josve05a>	 (that is the "magic power to see into user's JS consoles")
[02:21:45] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] "grmbl" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/203677 (owner: 10Esanders)
[02:24:17] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-04-22_(1.26wmf3): Slugs should not be visible through context menu - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93042#1211307 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved
[02:24:53] <wikibugs>	 10MediaWiki-ResourceLoader, 6Mobile-Web, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-04-22_(1.26wmf3): ResourceLoaderImageModule does no cache invalidation after icons change - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94733#1171375 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:28:24] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Don't self-instantiate platform [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/203677 (owner: 10Esanders)
[02:33:33] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Krinkle: [C: 032] Don't self-instantiate platform [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/203677 (owner: 10Esanders)
[02:37:06] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Don't self-instantiate platform [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/203677 (owner: 10Esanders)
[03:28:30] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Divec: Cursor holders for native cursoring to ce=false nodes (031 comment) [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/201874 (owner: 10Divec)
[03:33:18] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS12) 10Divec: Cursor holders for native cursoring to ce=false nodes [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/201874 
[03:41:50] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: VE mangles the UI when creating a non-existent page in mainspace (svwp) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1211371 (10Lixxx235) I can reproduce this at https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pwdes?veaction=edit. Screenshot attached.  For reference:  Operating System Mac...
[03:43:56] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: VE mangles the UI when creating a non-existent page in mainspace (svwp) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1211372 (10Josve05a)
[03:49:30] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: VE mangles the UI when creating a non-existent page in mainspace (svwp) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1211377 (10Josve05a)
[03:51:47] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: VE mangles the UI when creating a non-existent page in mainspace (svwp) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1211378 (10Lixxx235) Also reproduced in Firefox Developer Edition and Firefox Nightly (on the same machine):  Operating System Macintosh OS X 10.9 Screen...
[03:57:19] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: VE mangles the UI when creating a non-existent page in mainspace (svwp) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1211380 (10Josve05a)
[04:00:55] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: VE mangles the UI when creating a non-existent page in mainspace (svwp) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1211383 (10Josve05a)
[04:11:24] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: VE mangles the UI when creating a non-existent page in mainspace (svwp) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1211385 (10Josve05a)
[04:15:56] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: VE mangles the UI when creating a non-existent page in mainspace (svwp) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1211389 (10Josve05a) This is now confirmed in Safari, Fireox and Chrome on iOS, Mac, Chromebook and Windows.
[04:27:08] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: VE mangles the UI when creating a non-existent page in mainspace (svwp) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1211391 (10Josve05a)
[04:44:35] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] "Per Roan." [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/201874 (owner: 10Divec)
[04:46:52] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Cursor holders for native cursoring to ce=false nodes [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/201874 (owner: 10Divec)
[04:52:57] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: VE mangles the UI when creating a non-existent page in mainspace (svwp) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1211462 (10Josve05a)
[04:59:03] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: VE mangles the UI when creating a non-existent page in mainspace (svwp) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1211500 (10TheMesquito) Reproduced on Chrome for Linux  Reference:  Operating System Linux Mint 17.1, Kernel 4.0 Screen Resolution 1280x720  Web Browser C...
[05:01:36] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: VE mangles the UI when creating a non-existent page in mainspace (svwp) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1211507 (10Deskana) p:5High>3Unbreak! I reproduced this myself (Chrome 41, Mac OS 10.9.5). Went to a random nonexistent page and tapped edit. This isn...
[05:02:22] <Deskana>	 James_F|Away: You need to look at this when you're back ^
[05:02:26] <Deskana>	 James_F|Away: It's pretty badly broken
[05:07:33] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: VE mangles the UI when creating a non-existent page in mainspace (svwp) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1211527 (10TheMesquito) Also can reproduce with same result on Firefox for Linux with user agent "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:37.0) Gecko/2...
[05:41:20] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: VE mangles the UI when creating a non-existent page in mainspace (svwp) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1211574 (10PhantomTech) Confirmed with language set to sv, cannot reproduce with language set to en
[05:46:19] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Krinkle: build: Update devDependencies [oojs/core] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204457 
[06:03:02] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: VE mangles the UI when creating a non-existent page in mainspace (svwp) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1211606 (10Deskana) I turned all my gadgets off and the problem went away. So it's probably an issue with the default gadgets.
[06:07:21] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: VE mangles the UI when creating a non-existent page in mainspace (svwp) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1211609 (10Deskana) Narrowed it down to this gadget: https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-editsection0.js
[06:14:06] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: VE mangles the UI when creating a non-existent page in mainspace (svwp) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1211619 (10Deskana) Disregard the above, it was a red herring. This problem appears to be related to the user's language choice: I can reproduce this prob...
[07:33:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10BryanDavis: Use namespaced \MediaWiki\Logger\LoggerFactory [extensions/Math] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204098 (owner: 10Legoktm)
[07:33:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10BryanDavis: [C: 032] Use namespaced \MediaWiki\Logger\LoggerFactory [extensions/Math] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204098 (owner: 10Legoktm)
[07:37:26] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Use namespaced \MediaWiki\Logger\LoggerFactory [extensions/Math] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204098 (owner: 10Legoktm)
[07:46:03] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Tables: Bugfix for CSV drag and drop into VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96218#1211682 (10Pine)
[07:47:21] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Tables: Bugfix for CSV drag and drop into VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96218#1211264 (10Pine) More info:  * I am able to drag and drop a text file using Firefox, but not a CSV file. * I am unable to drag and drop text or CSV files using Opera.  Perhaps this b...
[07:50:15] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10MediaWiki-extensions-LanguageSelector, 7Blocked-on-Language: VE mangles the UI when creating a non-existent page in mainspace (svwp) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1211691 (10Josve05a)
[07:50:54] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Tables: Bugfix for dragging and dropping files into VisualEditor on Windows-based browsers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96218#1211692 (10Pine)
[07:55:48] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10MediaWiki-extensions-LanguageSelector, 7Blocked-on-Language: VE mangles the UI when creating a non-existent page in mainspace (svwp) and with Swedish language - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1211704 (10Josve05a)
[08:16:23] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10MediaWiki-extensions-UniversalLanguageSelector, 7Blocked-on-Language: VE mangles the UI when creating a non-existent page in mainspace (svwp) and with Swedish language - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1211726 (10Josve05a)
[08:19:38] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10MediaWiki-extensions-UniversalLanguageSelector, 7Blocked-on-Language: VE mangles the UI when creating a non-existent page in mainspace (svwp) and with Swedish language - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1211728 (10Nemo_bis) LanguageSelector is not deploye...
[08:19:56] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 7I18n: VE mangles the UI when creating a non-existent page in mainspace (svwp) and with Swedish language - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1211729 (10Nemo_bis)
[09:56:08] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Community-Liaison: Collaborate with TeaHouse and others to update VE Documentation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96237#1211816 (10Rdicerb) 3NEW
[11:37:24] <wikibugs>	 10Cite: Cite: Add namespace detection for automatically generated reference list - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T70324#1211940 (10Aklapper) p:5Triage>3Low
[11:56:44] <edsanders>	 Krinkle|detached, Krenair are you aware of a hook in core that is similar to the 'rerender' event in VE? i.e. when something on the page changes size
[12:01:19] <Krenair>	 the page changes size?
[12:01:27] <Krenair>	 in MW core?
[12:14:45] <wikibugs>	 10TemplateData: TemplateData: Add parameter type for selecting one of predefined values (like "<select>" or ENUM) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T53375#1211965 (10NicoV) >>! In T53375#564935, @Krinkle wrote: >  params: { >   "key": { >     "type": ... >     "values": [ .. ]  Seems a good way of specifying i...
[12:17:58] <Krenair>	 edsanders, I'm not exactly sure what you're looking for, sorry
[12:18:18] <edsanders>	 Krenair, the content changes size
[12:18:21] <edsanders>	 or the page
[12:18:51] <Krenair>	 well there's the on save hook
[12:19:09] <Krenair>	 you can check for change in size there
[12:19:40] <edsanders>	 I mean a live update of the rendering
[12:19:56] <edsanders>	 the example is
[12:20:19] <edsanders>	 packed galleries, which resize themselves 300ms after a window resize
[12:20:39] <edsanders>	 I'd like to emit an event after the galleries resize
[12:20:49] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 7I18n: Hebrew Wikipedia shows a reverse question mark for VisualEditor help - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96243#1211973 (10Amire80) 3NEW
[12:30:39] <Krenair>	 edsanders, ... in the wikitext editor?
[12:31:27] <Krenair>	 it doesn't do live updates, you have to press the preview button which sends your wikitext back to the server to send through the php parser
[12:38:12] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Tables: Fix dragging and dropping files into VisualEditor on Windows-based browsers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96218#1211992 (10Aklapper)
[12:39:07] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Tables: Fix dragging and dropping files into VisualEditor on Windows-based browsers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96218#1211264 (10Aklapper) p:5Normal>3Low
[12:53:55] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] build: Update devDependencies [oojs/core] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204457 (owner: 10Krinkle)
[12:56:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: build: Update devDependencies [oojs/core] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204457 (owner: 10Krinkle)
[13:06:51] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 7Browser-Support-Apple-Safari, 5WMF-deploy-2015-04-01_(1.25wmf24), and 2 others: Insufficient span tags stripping from copy-and-paste in Safari - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71494#1212033 (10Elitre) 5Resolved>3Open Reopening because this doesn't look fix...
[13:21:49] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor: Configurable presence of the signature button - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T30149#1212062 (10He7d3r)
[13:21:51] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor: Signature button in Hungarian should produce "– ~~~~" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T26191#1212061 (10He7d3r)
[13:21:57] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor: toolbar buttons not working - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T33411#1212068 (10He7d3r)
[13:36:54] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 7I18n: Hebrew Wikipedia shows a reverse question mark for VisualEditor help - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96243#1212080 (10matmarex)
[13:36:55] <wikibugs>	 10OOjs-UI, 10VisualEditor, 5WMF-deploy-2015-04-15_(1.26wmf2): betalabs displays oo-ui-icon-help icon as mirrored right-to-left in Hebrew - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95636#1212081 (10matmarex)
[13:46:12] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Esanders: Provide file extension fallback for FileTransferHandlers [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204508 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96218) 
[13:46:23] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Tables, 5Patch-For-Review: Fix dragging and dropping files into VisualEditor on Windows-based browsers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96218#1212089 (10Esanders) a:3Esanders
[13:48:03] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10RESTBase, 6operations, 7Performance: Set up an API base path for REST and action APIs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95229#1212093 (10Anomie) Since the comments on the gerrit change seem to not be having any real attention paid: I (and apparently also @MaxSem) think that "/api/v1/"...
[13:48:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Esanders: Provide file extension fallback for FileTransferHandlers [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204508 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96218) 
[13:50:52] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Esanders: Trigger packed galleries resizing logic to match read mode [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204509 
[13:51:14] <edsanders>	 Krenair, VE
[13:52:26] <Krenair>	 I thought you were looking for a MW core hook like VE's rerender event
[13:52:27] <edsanders>	 In general the galleries resize themselves 300ms after a window resize, but there's no event accompanying that, e.g. in VE we want to redraw the highlights
[13:52:36] <edsanders>	 yes
[13:52:44] <edsanders>	 the galleries resizing themselves is in core
[13:53:00] <edsanders>	 if core emitted an event when they were done resizing, we could listen in VE
[13:54:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Trigger packed galleries resizing logic to match read mode [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204509 (owner: 10Esanders)
[13:54:42] <Krenair>	 hmm
[13:54:44] <Krenair>	 https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki/blob/master/resources/src/mediawiki.page/mediawiki.page.gallery.js
[13:58:12] <Krenair>	 edsanders, doesn't look like it
[14:01:50] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: [[Mediawiki:Badtitletext]] being added to articles - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93045#1212116 (10ssastry)
[14:31:54] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: [[Mediawiki:Badtitletext]] being added to articles - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93045#1212171 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved
[14:45:34] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 031] "Aha, this'd do it." [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204508 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96218) (owner: 10Esanders)
[14:50:49] <Deskana>	 James_F: Good morning
[14:50:56] <James_F>	 Good morning!
[14:54:17] <Deskana>	 James_F: Bad bug for you: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135
[14:55:30] <James_F>	 Deskana: Hmm. Works fine for me.
[14:55:36] <James_F>	 Deskana: Probably a user script issue.
[14:55:38] <Krenair>	 yeah, I thought the same thing
[14:55:44] <Krenair>	 read the comments though
[14:55:58] <Krenair>	 (this is on my todo list at number..3, I think)
[14:55:58] <Deskana>	 James_F: Strangely it works for me if my language is set to English, but not if it's set to Swedish.
[14:56:31] <James_F>	 Deskana: But my language is sv and it works fine.
[14:56:50] <Deskana>	 James_F: Odd. Well, when I get to the office I'll show you on my laptop. :-)
[14:56:51] * James_F tries to see if it's CX.
[14:57:40] <Deskana>	 James_F: btw, it's still broken even if I turn off every single gadget.
[14:57:55] <James_F>	 Deskana: I've not been able to reproduce yet.
[14:57:59] <Deskana>	 :(
[15:00:10] <Deskana>	 I'll show you later.
[15:11:36] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10RESTBase, 6operations, 7Performance: Set up an API base path for REST and action APIs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95229#1212302 (10GWicke) @anomie, my understanding is that there are no plans to version the action api, which is why I believe `/api/action/` could work well. We'll...
[15:12:43] <James_F>	 Deskana: Found it.
[15:14:05] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10MediaWiki-extensions-Graph, 10Parsoid, 10Possible-Tech-Projects, and 3 others: Graph editing in VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89287#1212308 (10Ricordisamoa) I'd suggest that the visual editing UI focus on presentation rather than raw data, since the latter pertain to W...
[15:17:25] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10MediaWiki-extensions-Graph, 10Parsoid, 10Possible-Tech-Projects, and 3 others: Graph editing in VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89287#1212330 (10Ricordisamoa) I think this could share some work with T29156/T29157.
[15:19:07] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 7I18n: VE mangles the UI when creating a non-existent page in mainspace (svwp) and with Swedish language - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1212350 (10Jdforrester-WMF) It looks like a site script issue (this is why it only affects you if your user language is...
[15:20:56] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: svwiki site script (?) mangles the page when using VisualEditor on a non-extant page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1212355 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[15:25:18] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: svwiki site script (?) mangles the page when using VisualEditor on a non-extant page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1212367 (10Jdforrester-WMF) https://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Senaste_%C3%A4ndringar&days=30&from=&namespace=8 has a few oth...
[15:34:09] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10RESTBase, 6operations, 7Performance: Set up an API base path for REST and action APIs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95229#1212410 (10Anomie) >>! In T95229#1212302, @GWicke wrote: > and lets us present documentation for each api at /api/{name}/.  You changed the name of restbase to...
[15:34:17] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10MediaWiki-extensions-EasyTimeline, 10Possible-Tech-Projects: EasyTimeline: in-browser visual editing - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T29157#1212419 (10Yurik) Will this feature be needed after launching [[ https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Graph/Demo | Graph ]] extension? Vega cou...
[15:35:15] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10RESTBase, 6operations, 7Performance: Set up an API base path for REST and action APIs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95229#1212424 (10GWicke) >>! In T95229#1212410, @Anomie wrote: > You changed the name of restbase to "v1" now?  No, 'v1' is the name of the API we expose currently. R...
[15:35:26] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10MediaWiki-extensions-EasyTimeline, 10Possible-Tech-Projects: EasyTimeline: in-browser visual editing - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T29157#1212425 (10Jdforrester-WMF) >>! In T29157#1212419, @Yurik wrote: > Will this feature be needed after launching [[ https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Ex...
[15:36:57] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Esanders: "recheck" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204509 (owner: 10Esanders)
[15:37:50] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: "Should bump our wfUseMW call to 1.26wmf5 or whatever when the core patch lands." [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204509 (owner: 10Esanders)
[15:40:47] <wikibugs>	 10OOjs-UI, 10Living-Style-Guide, 7Design: LSG navbar & context bar - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95657#1212427 (10violetto)
[15:44:38] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10MediaWiki-extensions-EasyTimeline, 10Possible-Tech-Projects: EasyTimeline: in-browser visual editing - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T29157#1212439 (10Yurik) Well, unless EasyTimeline provides significant additional value (which it just might - I don't know it well enough), I think we s...
[16:16:57] <Krenair>	 Krinkle, have you seen this issue on svwiki?
[16:16:57] <Krinkle>	 what issue?
[16:17:00] <Krenair>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135
[16:17:18] <Krenair>	 I'm wondering if it's related to this error I get in console while loading VE: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'get' of undefined
[16:17:29] <Krenair>	 (it's trying to use mw.cookie.get, but mw.cookie is not defined yet)
[16:18:08] <Krenair>	 The weird thing is it's coming from MediaWiki:Gadget-Teckenstorlek.js, which is supposed to depend on mediawiki.cookie according to Gadgets-definition
[16:19:12] <Krinkle>	 Krenair: Can you reproduce the layout distortion?
[16:19:12] <Krenair>	 Nope :/
[16:19:12] <Krinkle>	 Did any of the people there get a js error?
[16:19:40] <Krinkle>	 I see the get error on every page
[16:19:43] <Krinkle>	 Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'get' of undefined
[16:19:53] <Krinkle>	 It's coming from MediaWiki:Gadget-Teckenstorlek.js
[16:19:54] <Krenair>	 You realise how many more things we could help with and fix if people bothered to check and tell us that? :P
[16:19:57] <Krenair>	 right
[16:19:57] <Krinkle>	 Which means it's not using REsourceLoader
[16:20:09] <Krinkle>	 because then it'd be ext.gadget.Tecken*
[16:20:13] <Krenair>	 ohhh
[16:20:17] <Krenair>	 Teckenstorlek[default|dependencies=mediawiki.cookie]|Teckenstorlek.js|Teckenstorlek.css
[16:20:26] <Krinkle>	 [ResourceLoader]
[16:20:28] <Krenair>	 is it supposed to have a ResourceLoader option with that dependencies?
[16:20:32] <Krinkle>	 Yep
[16:20:37] * Krenair fixes
[16:21:44] <Krenair>	 this was very new code: https://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-Teckenstorlek.js&diff=29790293&oldid=29631480
[16:22:22] <James_F>	 Krenair, Krinkle: Unrelated to that bug. Roan's just fixed it.
[16:23:00] <Krenair>	 https://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Noarticletext-0&diff=prev&oldid=29793269
[16:25:22] <Krinkle>	 James_F: Hm.. no tidy for i18n?
[16:26:17] <James_F>	 Krinkle: You build it, we'll enable it.
[16:26:34] <Krinkle>	 James_F: It uses Parser
[16:26:38] <Krinkle>	 how can it not use Tidy
[16:26:44] <Krinkle>	 I guess it was intentionally disabeld
[16:27:53] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: svwiki site script (?) mangles the page when using VisualEditor on a non-extant page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1212659 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Jdforrester-WMF Fixed by @Catrope – https://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki...
[16:27:53] <Krinkle>	 Either that, or performance.
[16:27:53] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: svwiki site script (?) mangles the page when using VisualEditor on a non-extant page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1212669 (10Deskana) Fix verified. Thank you!
[16:36:00] <marktraceur>	 Have you guys not had any reason to use hidden inputs yet, or is it just so trivial that they should just be HtmlSnippets?
[16:36:14] <marktraceur>	 Or I guess InputWidgets
[16:36:18] <Krenair>	 MatmaRex, ^
[16:36:44] <marktraceur>	 Time for MatmaRex to write a new widget!? :D
[16:36:57] <MatmaRex>	 marktraceur: either/both
[16:37:48] <MatmaRex>	 i could make a HiddenInputWidget, but that sounds a bit backwards, if OOUI is supposed to be a UI library
[16:38:48] <MatmaRex>	 (there's a hidden input in DropdownInputWidget, by the way)
[16:38:48] <marktraceur>	 Right.
[16:38:48] <Krenair>	 I think there's a couple more places we might have to use hidden input widgets as well
[16:38:48] <marktraceur>	 I guess I'll dump an HtmlSnippet in
[16:38:56] <marktraceur>	 Or...not? Hm.
[16:40:37] <marktraceur>	 Son of a bitch.
[16:40:44] <marktraceur>	 HTMLHiddenField doesn't actually build the field, that would be too easy.
[16:42:28] <marktraceur>	 I guess it doesn't matter
[16:59:56] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Collaboration-Team, 10Flow: clicking a link to a Hebrew Wikipedia category while editing a Flow post in VisualEditor shows a broken page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96272#1212766 (10Amire80) 3NEW
[16:59:59] <wikibugs>	 10OOjs-UI, 10MediaWiki-General-or-Unknown, 5MW-1.25-release: Remove OOUI icon packs from MW 1.25 release - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96273#1212774 (10matmarex) 3NEW a:3matmarex
[17:00:59] <wikibugs>	 10OOjs-UI, 10MediaWiki-General-or-Unknown, 5MW-1.25-release: Remove OOUI icon packs from MW 1.25 release - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96273#1212782 (10Jdforrester-WMF) This will make VisualEditor incompatible with MediaWiki 1.25 before it's even released…
[17:02:29] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-DataModel, 10Parsoid, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-04-08_(1.26wmf1): Links aren't merged aggressively enough - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95028#1212795 (10cscott) There's a Parsoid patch which is under discussion: https://gerrit.wikimedi...
[17:04:16] <wikibugs>	 10MediaWiki-ResourceLoader, 10OOjs-UI, 10VisualEditor, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, and 2 others: RL manifest for OOjs UI icon packs should be better - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92551#1212798 (10matmarex) Idea dump:  We want to use ResourceLoaderImageModule to serve icons for OOjs UI i...
[17:06:26] <wikibugs>	 10MediaWiki-ResourceLoader, 10OOjs-UI, 10VisualEditor, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, and 2 others: RL manifest for OOjs UI icon packs should be better - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92551#1212799 (10matmarex) I am not very happy with the current state of the patch, but I'm also not sure if...
[17:10:48] <Krinkle>	 RE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/201583/ I told RoanKattouw yesterday I'm not familiar enough with the Converter to review this swiftly. I can if needed, but I think Ed would do this better.
[17:10:51] <Krinkle>	 (and with less risk)
[17:11:16] <James_F>	 Krinkle: Not said on gerrit. :-)
[17:11:19] * James_F adds a comment.
[17:11:26] <RoanKattouw>	 edsanders: ---^^
[17:13:35] <wikibugs>	 10MediaWiki-ResourceLoader, 10OOjs-UI, 10VisualEditor, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, and 2 others: RL manifest for OOjs UI icon packs should be better - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92551#1212829 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[17:13:39] <wikibugs>	 10OOjs-UI, 10UI-Standardization: Move the "MediaWiki" OOjs UI theme to the MediaWiki repo - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76633#1212828 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[17:13:42] <wikibugs>	 10OOjs-UI, 10MediaWiki-General-or-Unknown, 5MW-1.25-release: Remove OOUI icon packs from MW 1.25 release - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96273#1212830 (10matmarex) VisualEditor master, that is? Doesn't seem like a very big deal to me.
[17:13:56] <edsanders>	 RoanKattouw, what is node.deleteData?
[17:14:10] <wikibugs>	 10OOjs-UI, 10MediaWiki-General-or-Unknown, 5MW-1.25-release: Remove OOUI icon packs from MW 1.25 release - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96273#1212838 (10Jdforrester-WMF) >>! In T96273#1212830, @matmarex wrote: > VisualEditor master, that is? Doesn't seem like a very big deal to me.  That's because you'...
[17:14:23] <RoanKattouw>	 edsanders: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/CharacterData
[17:15:01] <edsanders>	 is that a text node?
[17:15:19] <RoanKattouw>	 CharacterData is TextNode and CommentNode
[17:15:26] <RoanKattouw>	 And I think also some CData crap we don't use
[17:15:43] <RoanKattouw>	 ": it is implemented by other interfaces, like Text, Comment,"
[17:16:56] <RoanKattouw>	 edsanders: http://www.w3schools.com/dom/met_text_deletedata.asp
[17:17:00] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Tables, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-04-22_(1.26wmf3): Fix dragging and dropping files into VisualEditor on Windows-based browsers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96218#1212842 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved
[17:17:03] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Tables, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-04-22_(1.26wmf3): Fix dragging and dropping files into VisualEditor on Windows-based browsers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96218#1211264 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[17:17:35] <RoanKattouw>	 Painfully, w3schools has good docs here while MDN doesn't have any
[17:17:35] <wikibugs>	 10OOjs-UI, 10MediaWiki-General-or-Unknown, 5MW-1.25-release: Remove OOUI icon packs from MW 1.25 release - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96273#1212846 (10matmarex) I would, however, be the one to get shouted at about icon incompatibilities, because I've had the misfortune to implement most of the code s...
[17:17:44] * MatmaRex grumbles
[17:18:17] <edsanders>	 Yes - methods I can't find on MDN worry me - as long as it's supported in IE9+ though...
[17:20:20] <Krenair>	 https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-ContentTranslation/blob/master/api/ApiContentTranslationPublish.php - line 70 :|
[17:20:59] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Links, 5Patch-For-Review: VisualEditor: A link can span whitespace but won't be displayed so cannot be edited or noticed - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T39835#1212881 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[17:21:00] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-DataModel, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-04-22_(1.26wmf3): Strip annotations (e.g. bold, italics, link) from terminal whitespace - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54037#1212878 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved
[17:22:03] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable: Add link to the "Generated from: ..." page name in the transclusion popup - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96275#1212887 (10Raymond) 3NEW
[17:22:30] <Krenair>	 I guess I'll file a bug
[17:22:48] <James_F>	 Thanks edsanders.
[17:23:34] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 7Browser-Support-Apple-Safari, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, and 3 others: Insufficient span tags stripping from copy-and-paste in Safari - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71494#1212899 (10gpaumier)
[17:23:51] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Templates: Add link to the "Generated from: ..." page name in the transclusion popup - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96275#1212903 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Normal
[17:26:06] <RoanKattouw>	 edsanders: Yeah methods on TextNodes are poorly documented, people don't seem to use them much
[17:26:07] <RoanKattouw>	 But they are in the spec
[17:27:13] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile, 6Mobile-Web, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Inspector titles clipped in VisualEditor on mobile - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85068#1212918 (10Jdlrobson)
[17:27:44] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile, 6Mobile-Web, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Inspector titles clipped in VisualEditor on mobile - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85068#938000 (10Jdlrobson) Is this still a problem?
[17:28:44] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile, 6Mobile-Web, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Inspector titles clipped in VisualEditor on mobile - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85068#1212928 (10Jdforrester-WMF) Yes. We're waiting for the stalled patch in Mobile to be merged.
[17:29:45] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile, 6Mobile-Web, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Inspector titles clipped in VisualEditor on mobile - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85068#1212933 (10Jdforrester-WMF) Belay that. now that T86366 is fixed, this is fixed too in master. Thanks!
[17:30:03] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Make VisualEditor good enough for mobile tablet and phone enablement - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94725#1212937 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[17:30:05] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile, 6Mobile-Web, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-04-22_(1.26wmf3): Inspector titles clipped in VisualEditor on mobile - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85068#1212935 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved
[17:30:58] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile, 6Mobile-Web, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 7Technical-Debt: Move VisualEditor code from MobileFrontend to VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96186#1212939 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[17:31:00] <wikibugs>	 10OOjs-UI, 5Patch-For-Review: Create a simpler API into SelectWidget - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87602#1212940 (10Esanders) What's so wrong with get/setValue? Having a common API between InputWidgets and SelectWidgets is probably a good thing.
[17:35:49] * marktraceur feels so much pain, looking at this nasty design
[17:36:00] <wikibugs>	 10OOjs-UI, 5Patch-For-Review: Create a simpler API into SelectWidget - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87602#1212946 (10Esanders) Also if you want correctness, I think the long but correct 'getSelectedItemData' is still an improvement.
[17:40:56] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools: Creating a link after scrolling moves text in VE edit window unpredictably - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95360#1212990 (10AxelBoldt) I cannot reproduce the issue anymore with the current version of VE installed on Wikipedia [0.1.0 (685e7ff) 12:17, 8 April 2015].
[17:41:36] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools: Creating a link after scrolling moves text in VE edit window unpredictably - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95360#1212997 (10AxelBoldt) 5Open>3Resolved
[17:41:58] <wikibugs>	 10OOjs-UI, 5Patch-For-Review: Create a simpler API into SelectWidget - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87602#1213007 (10Mooeypoo) Yeah, I agree, there are also comments on the patchset to this effect.  To reiterate my own comments from gerrit:  If that's the only difference between FooWidget and FooInputWid...
[17:43:19] <MatmaRex>	 James_F: got a few seconds to talk about https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96273 "Remove OOUI icon packs from MW 1.25 release"?
[17:43:56] <MatmaRex>	 James_F: i really think we shouldn't make this a public API yet, there *will* be certainly breaking changes to it in 1.26. if we care about compatibility, then we could just move the module definitions to mw/ext/VisualEditor.
[17:44:12] <MatmaRex>	 (for REL1_25 only)
[17:44:45] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase, 7RESTBase-API: RFC: API for retrieval and saving of top-level HTML elements by element ID - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94890#1213026 (10GWicke) @catrope, @trevorparscal: It would be great to get your input on the API design. Does...
[17:45:52] <wikibugs>	 10OOjs-UI, 5Patch-For-Review: Create a simpler API into SelectWidget - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87602#1213044 (10matmarex) Hmm. Okay, you have a point and perhaps I am wrong. This sounds reasonable to me now.
[17:52:04] <James_F>	 MatmaRex: We make breaking changes quite often, though.
[17:56:35] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Collaboration-Team, 10Flow: clicking a link to a Hebrew Wikipedia category while editing a Flow post in VisualEditor shows a broken page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96272#1213125 (10Mattflaschen) Probably BaseHrefFixer needs to handle another case.
[17:56:49] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Collaboration-Team, 10Flow: clicking a link to a Hebrew Wikipedia category while editing a Flow post in VisualEditor shows a broken page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96272#1213126 (10Mattflaschen) p:5Triage>3High
[18:01:17] <James_F>	 edsanders: Could you respond on https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94890#1213026 please?
[18:12:45] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Scrolling does not work for last hint in the window - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96281#1213192 (10Sunpriat) 3NEW
[18:14:00] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase, 7RESTBase-API: RFC: API for retrieval and saving of top-level HTML elements by element ID - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94890#1213219 (10GWicke)
[18:21:33] <Krenair>	 MatmaRex, why are OOUI's stack traces so huge? :/
[18:22:08] <MatmaRex>	 Krenair: like which ones?
[18:22:57] <Krenair>	 like https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P468
[18:24:08] <Krenair>	 all the line breaks get replaced with "#012" and it goes into hhvm.log instead of the exception log
[18:47:14] <MatmaRex>	 Krenair: (sorry, got distracted and you didn't ping me)
[18:47:34] <MatmaRex>	 Krenair: toString() does recursive calls to toString() of child widgets/elements
[18:48:20] <MatmaRex>	 Krenair: so that looks like four levels of nesting. say, a form, fieldset, field, widget
[18:48:44] <MatmaRex>	 as for why it goes to weird places in weird formats, i'm afraid i know none of that
[18:49:42] <MatmaRex>	 in other news, VisualEditor's dependency graph. :( http://i.imgur.com/l1f1IFU.png
[18:50:16] <James_F>	 MatmaRex: You missed quite a lot of them.
[18:50:36] <James_F>	 MatmaRex: UnicodeJS, jQuery, jQuery.client, jQuery.ULS, …
[18:50:39] <James_F>	 MatmaRex: It's insane.
[18:52:14] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase, 7RESTBase-API: RFC: API for retrieval and saving of top-level HTML elements by element ID - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94890#1213367 (10Esanders) How would this look with multiple sections inserted at a time. In terms of performan...
[18:53:14] <James_F>	 MatmaRex: Want to +2 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/196511/ whilst you're thinking about these things, BTW?
[18:53:28] <James_F>	 MatmaRex: Removes all except three of our images from VE-core.
[18:53:34] <MatmaRex>	 James_F: yeah, this just has the ones that we keep changing like every day
[18:53:47] <James_F>	 MatmaRex: Fair. :-)
[18:54:01] <MatmaRex>	 (and where we keep adding bugs that we ought to fix and backport like every week ;) )
[18:54:11] <James_F>	 Meh. :-)
[18:55:01] <MatmaRex>	 (looking at that one)
[18:55:19] <James_F>	 Thanks.
[18:58:32] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase, 7RESTBase-API: RFC: API for retrieval and saving of top-level HTML elements by element ID - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94890#1213381 (10GWicke) @Esanders, agreed on simplicity and limited impact of including the original paragraph...
[19:03:35] <MatmaRex>	 James_F: hmm, standalone demo doesn't do languages right and thus language-specific icons don't work. fixing.
[19:03:48] <James_F>	 MatmaRex: Ah, is that what was odd there?
[19:04:31] <MatmaRex>	 probably?
[19:15:17] <Krinkle>	 MatmaRex: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F112876 is private. I can't view it
[19:16:55] <MatmaRex>	 Krinkle: fixed
[19:17:35] <MatmaRex>	 James_F: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204569
[19:17:55] <MatmaRex>	 James_F: is that "BREAKING CHANGE" breaking for us? it doesn't look like it is. safe to merge?
[19:18:15] <James_F>	 MatmaRex: In VE-MW we need to change the load stuff, which I've created a patch for.
[19:18:24] <James_F>	 MatmaRex: Go for it.
[19:18:54] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile: Space should be reserved for mobile inspector - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96289#1213425 (10TrevorParscal) 3NEW
[19:19:04] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase, 7RESTBase-API: RFC: API for retrieval and saving of top-level HTML elements by element ID - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94890#1213432 (10GWicke) We discussed this on IRC. Outcomes:  - Use simple replace semantics for changesets - D...
[19:20:21] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 7Technical-Debt: Tech debt: Refactor masonry fit in media search to be resize-flexible - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96290#1213433 (10Mooeypoo) 3NEW
[19:20:27] <James_F>	 edsanders: Can you work out why https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/204560/ fails its tests?
[19:20:28] <MatmaRex>	 grrrit-wm is awol :(
[19:22:28] <James_F>	 Yeah.
[19:22:36] <Krenair>	 People keeping pointing it out and different people avoid fixing it.
[19:22:44] * James_F grins.
[19:22:48] <James_F>	 I guess I'm one of them.
[19:22:58] <James_F>	 (I have grrrit-wm shell access, inexplicably.)
[19:23:03] <Krenair>	 I'm pretty sure I've seen at least 4 discussions about fixing grrrit-wm today.
[19:23:10] <Krenair>	 Probably more.
[19:23:15] <Krenair>	 jouncebot has been down for longer.
[19:23:27] <wikibugs>	 10OOjs-UI, 10VisualEditor, 7Technical-Debt: Generalize the media search widget masonry fit algorithm into an OOUI masonry fit widget - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96292#1213455 (10Mooeypoo) 3NEW
[19:23:33] <RoanKattouw>	 morebots was revived yesterday
[19:24:00] <wikibugs>	 10OOjs-UI, 10VisualEditor, 7Technical-Debt: Generalize the media search widget masonry fit algorithm into an OOUI masonry fit widget - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96292#1213455 (10Mooeypoo)
[19:24:02] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 7Technical-Debt: Tech debt: Refactor masonry fit in media search to be resize-flexible - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96290#1213462 (10Mooeypoo)
[19:24:13] <Krenair>	 It really sucks how easy it is for them to go down
[19:24:29] <Krenair>	 And how difficult it is to find someone who can fix it and who actually will fix it
[19:25:35] <James_F>	 Yeah.
[19:26:00] <James_F>	 Once we get everything in Phabricator, I guess we'll have only one SPOF for bots. ;-)
[19:26:30] <Krenair>	 We'll still have ecmabot-wm
[19:26:32] <Krenair>	 and jouncebot
[19:26:43] <RoanKattouw>	 Krinkle: Hmm so running grunt / npm locally still doesn't run QUnit tests for VE-MW?
[19:27:03] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: It does. But you need to do it Right.
[19:27:14] <Krinkle>	 This has been the same for a year.
[19:27:22] <Krinkle>	 Although only recently possible via grunt
[19:27:31] <Krinkle>	 It's still the same: Spcial:JavaScriptTest/qunit
[19:27:40] <Krinkle>	 it runs whatever extensions are installed, like phpunit does too
[19:27:51] <Krinkle>	 But you have to run it from mediawiki-core
[19:28:31] <James_F>	 Krenair: True.
[19:28:33] <Krinkle>	 "grunt qunit" from mediawiki-core runs it including VisualEditor if you have that installed.
[19:28:45] <RoanKattouw>	 Ooh OK
[19:28:50] <Krenair>	 and that meeting bot
[19:28:52] <James_F>	 Krenair: Should we put qunit in grunt default for mw-core?
[19:28:57] <James_F>	 Bah.
[19:28:59] <Krenair>	 and wm-bot
[19:28:59] <James_F>	 Krinkle: ^^^
[19:29:02] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: I added it to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:JavaScript_unit_testing last week.
[19:29:07] <RoanKattouw>	 Nice
[19:29:09] <Krinkle>	 James_F: Nope, because it requires mediawiki to be installed.
[19:29:18] <James_F>	 Krinkle: You mean, PHP?
[19:29:30] <Krinkle>	 It leverages grunt/npm but it doesn't work statically.
[19:29:32] <James_F>	 (Amongst other things.)
[19:29:34] <James_F>	 Yeah.
[19:30:10] <Krinkle>	 James_F: Requiring php and mysql to be installed is fine. The problem is it installing mediawiki itself, and knowing where the server is.
[19:30:33] <Krinkle>	 We'd have to do setup/teardown of database inside grunt.
[19:31:03] <Krinkle>	 Which isn't worth investing in since people have mw installed already anyway. And instead we should focus on not requiring mediawiki to be installed to test its PHP and JS code base. Which is not as hard as it sounds. 
[19:31:15] <James_F>	 Yeah.
[19:31:49] <Krinkle>	 so that we can run it statically, like we do with ve core and oojs etc. already
[19:54:17] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: "Unit test or go home? :-)" [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204607 (owner: 10Catrope)
[20:03:57] <milimetric>	 btw, guys, thanks very much for the sampling, it made EL much much happier
[20:03:59] <milimetric>	 <3
[20:15:23] <Belerafon>	 Hi. I have a problem: today I install VisualEditor to my local MediaWiki 1.24.1. It works, but then I press "save changes" after editing page - it is not saved. Wiki is protected apache htaccess. In Parsoid log there are no errors. Ubuntu 14.
[20:15:53] <Belerafon>	 What I need to check?
[20:16:02] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Paladox: Do all of Cite's real work during unstrip [extensions/Cite] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/181112 (owner: 10Jackmcbarn)
[20:17:47] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Jackmcbarn: Do all of Cite's real work during unstrip [extensions/Cite] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/181112 
[20:18:08] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jackmcbarn: "Paladox, don't touch my patches." [extensions/Cite] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/181112 (owner: 10Jackmcbarn)
[20:18:27] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Do all of Cite's real work during unstrip [extensions/Cite] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/181112 (owner: 10Jackmcbarn)
[20:27:43] <ori>	 Krinkle: would you mind if I tried libeatmydata on one of the integration slaves?
[20:28:26] <Krinkle>	 ori: I'm stil gathering data about the tmpfs switch. I finalised it (I think) only a few hours ago.
[20:28:30] <Krinkle>	 But we can depool one slave.
[20:28:38] <Krinkle>	 still fixing puppet failures as they come up
[20:29:20] <ori>	 let me know which slave
[20:31:09] <Krinkle>	 ori: I've depooled integration-slave-trusty-1015. I'm rebooting it now to make sure it's clean and no new errors come up after reboot in puppet
[20:31:13] <Krinkle>	 after that you can have it :)
[20:31:47] <ori>	 sweet, thanks!
[20:33:28] <RoanKattouw_away>	 edsanders: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204607
[20:35:19] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Paladox: (bug T4700) Pre-save transform inside extension hooks [extensions/Cite] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/8785 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T4700) (owner: 10Dan Collins)
[20:35:45] <edsanders>	 <edsanders> James_F, where are the VE jsduck pages hosted?
[20:35:45] <edsanders>	 <edsanders> Krinkle?
[20:35:45] <edsanders>	 <edsanders> And do we have a hosted demo of VE core?
[20:35:50] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] Follow-up 8dc8b266: account for annotations that return [] [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204607 (owner: 10Catrope)
[20:36:05] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS5) 10Paladox: (bug T4700) Pre-save transform inside extension hooks [extensions/Cite] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/8785 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T4700) (owner: 10Dan Collins)
[20:36:19] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Esanders: [C: 04-2] Follow-up 8dc8b266: account for annotations that return [] [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204607 (owner: 10Catrope)
[20:36:33] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Esanders: [C: 04-1] "Yes please, unit test." [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204607 (owner: 10Catrope)
[20:36:40] <James_F>	 edsanders: No, we agreed tech debt.
[20:36:54] <edsanders>	 I'm very strict
[20:37:10] <James_F>	 But not very likely to deal with the tech debt yourself. ;-)
[20:37:18] <RoanKattouw>	 Well there is a test
[20:37:20] <RoanKattouw>	 It's in VE-MW
[20:37:25] <RoanKattouw>	 And it's blocking VE core pull-throughs
[20:38:02] <edsanders>	 what's the case?
[20:38:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Follow-up 8dc8b266: account for annotations that return [] [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204607 (owner: 10Catrope)
[20:38:32] <RoanKattouw>	 edsanders: annotation's toDomElements function returns []
[20:38:37] <RoanKattouw>	 Like MWNowikiAnnotation
[20:38:53] <RoanKattouw>	 My code doesn't account for the possibility that the returned array's [0] will be undefined
[20:38:57] <RoanKattouw>	 and so it crashes
[20:40:35] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 7Technical-Debt: Unit tests in VE core for self-unwrapping annotations - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96295#1213600 (10Catrope) 3NEW
[20:41:51] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Trevor Parscal: [C: 04-1] Refactor ve.ui.Context to create ve.ui.LinearContext (031 comment) [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204268 (owner: 10Esanders)
[20:42:28] <Krinkle>	 edsanders: we do not yet publish docs or demos of ve-core. We publish docs of ve-mw (which includes ve-core) to doc.wikimedia.org.
[20:42:42] <Krinkle>	 There is a demo of ve-core at https://wikimedia.github.io/VisualEditor
[20:42:51] <Krinkle>	 (1 week old)
[20:43:09] <Krinkle>	 The only thing we publish of ve-core is code coverage
[20:43:33] <James_F>	 Krinkle: So far. :-)
[20:44:14] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: Refactor ve.ui.Context to create ve.ui.LinearContext (031 comment) [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204268 (owner: 10Esanders)
[20:46:03] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Trevor Parscal: [C: 032] Refactor ve.ui.Context to create ve.ui.LinearContext [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204268 (owner: 10Esanders)
[20:46:44] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Abandoned) 10Jforrester: Update VE core submodule to master (421fa62) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204560 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[20:47:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Mooeypoo: Use the new ve.ui.PreviewWidget to display citation previews (031 comment) [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/202607 (owner: 10Mooeypoo)
[20:47:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS9) 10Mooeypoo: Use the new ve.ui.PreviewWidget to display citation previews [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/202607 
[20:47:46] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS10) 10Mooeypoo: Use the new ve.ui.PreviewWidget to display citation previews [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/202607 
[20:48:20] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Use the new ve.ui.PreviewWidget to display citation previews [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/202607 (owner: 10Mooeypoo)
[20:48:22] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Refactor ve.ui.Context to create ve.ui.LinearContext [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204268 (owner: 10Esanders)
[20:48:56] <mooeypoo>	 TrevorParscal, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/204197/
[20:48:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Jforrester: Update VE core submodule to master (2714bfc) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204566 
[20:49:04] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Use the new ve.ui.PreviewWidget to display citation previews [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/202607 (owner: 10Mooeypoo)
[20:49:20] <mooeypoo>	 TrevorParscal, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/204204/
[20:50:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Update VE core submodule to master (2714bfc) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204566 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[20:50:58] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Find first focusable element in booklet and add focusable utility [oojs/ui] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204197 (owner: 10Mooeypoo)
[20:55:34] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Find first focusable element in booklet and add focusable utility [oojs/ui] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204197 (owner: 10Mooeypoo)
[20:58:20] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 04-1] Rewrite the table context as an actual ve.ui.Context (032 comments) [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204269 (owner: 10Esanders)
[20:59:09] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 04-1] Use plural grammar in table context for deleting multiple rows/columns (031 comment) [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198738 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87234) (owner: 10Pratikbsp)
[21:02:20] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Come up with a better way to auto-label references - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92432#1213674 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Normal>3Low
[21:02:36] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile, 6Mobile-Web, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Mobile VE - Cite dialogue fields are buggy - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91849#1213677 (10Jdforrester-WMF) a:3Mooeypoo
[21:03:22] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Catrope: Update VE core submodule to master (2714bfc) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204566 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[21:04:23] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Update VE core submodule to master (2714bfc) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204566 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[21:05:38] <wikibugs>	 10Cite, 7Easy, 5Patch-For-Review: <ref> doesn't expand triple-brace template parameters - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T36999#1213682 (10Paladox)
[21:06:18] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Paladox: Made Changes as per Bug T36999 <ref>{{{foo}}}</ref> is working on the local machine....also added some changes after review by Bawolff [extensions/Cite] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/104794 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T36999) (owner: 10AalekhN)
[21:06:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Made Changes as per Bug T36999 <ref>{{{foo}}}</ref> is working on the local machine....also added some changes after review by Bawolff [extensions/Cite] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/104794 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T36999) (owner: 10AalekhN)
[21:07:43] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update VE core submodule to master (2714bfc) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204566 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[21:09:15] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 7Verified-in-Phase0, 5WMF-deploy-2015-04-08_(1.26wmf1): View/model out of sync when undoing paragraph creation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94696#1213691 (10Etonkovidova)
[21:09:30] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 7Verified-in-Phase0, and 2 others: View/model out of sync when undoing paragraph creation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94696#1170340 (10Etonkovidova)
[21:12:53] <Krinkle>	 ori: Okay, you can see her now. integration-slave-trusty-1015.eqiad.wmflabs
[21:13:01] <Krinkle>	 Patient is ready
[21:13:11] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Collaboration-Team, 10Flow, 10Thanks: Update to Pimple 2.x in Flow broke merge pipelines for Thanks, VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91967#1213729 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[21:13:14] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Collaboration-Team, 10Flow: Sometimes VE toolbar gets stuck in upper left until reflow/resize window - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90762#1213731 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[21:13:51] <ori>	 Krinkle: danke
[21:16:05] <wikibugs>	 10OOjs-UI, 10OOjs-UI-0.9.5, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 7Verified-in-Phase0, and 2 others: Some form fields use monospace font ('Insert template' text-area boxes, 'Save' dialog edit summary) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94450#1213746 (10Etonkovidova)
[21:16:08] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Templates, 5Patch-For-Review: Keep list of parameters open when I'm inserting a template - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95696#1197923 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[21:18:22] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 7Technical-Debt: Unit tests in VE core for self-unwrapping annotations - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96295#1213754 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Low
[21:20:37] <Krenair>	 sigh.
[21:20:53] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10MediaWiki-extensions-Graph, 10Parsoid, 10Possible-Tech-Projects, and 3 others: Graph editing in VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89287#1032390 (10Yurik)
[21:22:17] <eranroz>	 Is there a smart merge in case of edit conflict? I noticed that during "show changes" there are some changes that were made while I was editing and it was magiclly fixed somehow
[21:22:29] <ori>	 Krinkle: I'm done with it; is there a good way to see if it's performing better?
[21:22:43] <ori>	 some standard benchmark, or a way to run the unit tests from the command line?
[21:22:43] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Language-appropriate icons for italic and bold for Serbian language - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95761#1213790 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3stalled Isn't that what Serbian currently has?  {F115247}
[21:23:01] <Krinkle>	 ori: Yeah, let me walk you through it in PM.
[21:23:06] <Krinkle>	 It's only a few steps, but a bit verbose
[21:25:15] <RoanKattouw>	 eranroz: Nothing that the wikitext editor doesn't do
[21:25:39] <RoanKattouw>	 eranroz: If the conflicting changes aren't near you, the conflict is resolved magically, the wikitext editor does that too :)
[21:26:22] <eranroz>	 RoanKattouw: nice to know. I thought it is done only when I use section editing which the VE doesn't have
[21:27:55] <mooeypoo>	 Who can review/merge my small mobile frontend patch? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/204634/
[21:29:04] <eranroz>	 mooeypoo: I see the ? in the top-left in Hebrew is mirrored. You are doing overfixing for RTL issues :)
[21:29:31] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools: VisualEditor: Make defaultsort input field always use "real" text, not a placeholder - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T52002#1213828 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[21:29:39] <mooeypoo>	 eranroz, ... uh... this was only in Hebrew beta labs... did it make its way to regress hewiki!?
[21:29:46] <eranroz>	 yes
[21:29:51] <mooeypoo>	 eranroz, oy vey
[21:30:00] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 7Verified-in-Phase0, and 2 others: When opening reference dialog from the MWGeneralReferenceDialog the cursor "insists" on being on the general document surface rat... - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95069#1213832
[21:30:02] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Make adding sortkeys for DEFAULTSORT easier - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96116#1213835 (10Jdforrester-WMF) Isn't this a duplicate of {T52002}?
[21:30:09] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Make adding sortkeys for DEFAULTSORT easier - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96116#1213837 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3stalled
[21:31:46] <mooeypoo>	 eranroz, ah! Apparently this is already fixed. You'll get it in production next week
[21:32:11] <mooeypoo>	 eranroz, we overtl'ed.
[21:32:21] <eranroz>	 mooeypoo: thanks :) 
[21:32:27] <mooeypoo>	 :D
[21:33:16] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 7Verified-in-Phase0, 5WMF-deploy-2015-04-15_(1.26wmf2): When you open the Cite > Re-use dialog, the cursor should be placed in the search box - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91479#1213843 (10Etonkovidova)
[21:33:23] <James_F>	 eranroz: Nope, section editing doesn't help with edit conflicts (except stopping you from editing the same paragraph unless you're editing the same section, which is just cheating).
[21:37:56] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah this is a common misconception
[21:38:08] <RoanKattouw>	 The only reason I know it can't be true is because I read the section editing code
[21:38:25] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Browser-Tests: Delete or fix failed VisualEditor browsertests Jenkins job - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94162#1213850 (10Jdforrester-WMF) a:3Ryasmeen
[21:38:26] <RoanKattouw>	 Which literally just splices your section into the entire page's wikitext and then sends that to the regular editing code
[21:48:29] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Scrolling does not work for last hint in the window - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96281#1213883 (10Neil_P._Quinn_WMF) p:5Triage>3Normal
[21:49:58] <eranroz>	 I see that model.getSelection().getRange() is now called getRanges() and returns list, but when I use Ctrl to get multiple selection or 2 words it doesn't give the 2 ranges, so why is it returning list?
[21:50:52] <eranroz>	 (ops getRanges is additional to getRange)
[21:52:06] <eranroz>	 ahhh finally... VeDmTableSelection don't have getRange but only getRanges...
[21:53:48] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: svwiki site script (?) mangles the page when using VisualEditor on a non-extant page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1213908 (10Ainali) Great to have this fixed, thanks! So if I understand it correctly, this </div> error has been around since 30 May 2014 and...
[21:57:36] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile: VE Inspectors in movile should have a "cancel" or "back" buttons - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96303#1213921 (10Mooeypoo) 3NEW
[22:01:48] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile: VE mobile toolbar should be disabled if the focus is not on the document - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96305#1213966 (10Mooeypoo) 3NEW
[22:03:04] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 7Verified-in-Phase0, 7Verified-in-Phase2, 5WMF-deploy-2015-04-08_(1.26wmf1): Resolvable DOIs, PMIDs, and PMCIDs should be checked for itemType and manually set to journalArticle - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94597#1213976 (10Etonkovidova)
[22:10:50] <edsanders>	 eranroz, we don't support multiple ranges on LinearSelections
[22:10:59] <edsanders>	 only TableSelections
[22:11:28] <edsanders>	 e.g. selecting a column necessarily produces a selection with multiple ranges
[22:11:49] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 10Mathoid-General-or-Unknown, 10MediaWiki-extensions-Graph, 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikiHiero, and 4 others: Services need to share the same domain name - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95402#1213999 (10GWicke)
[22:11:54] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10RESTBase, 6operations, 7Performance: Set up an API base path for REST and action APIs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95229#1214000 (10GWicke)
[22:12:38] <edsanders>	 I didn't realise that Firefox let you create a multi-range selection like that, we should probably do something about that
[22:12:53] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Cursoring over an MWLinkNode takes you two characters to the right/left, not one - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96307#1214005 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 3NEW a:3dchan
[22:14:43] <eranroz>	 edsanders: thanks. Intuitively when I think on selection it is single selection, so it make sense that selection will always have "getRange". I got confused when table selection breaks this assumption (though it has good reason), but can't we expect .getRange to return some object with similar interface?
[22:15:11] <eranroz>	 .getSelection*
[22:15:37] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10RESTBase, 6operations, 7Performance: Set up an API base path for REST and action APIs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95229#1214020 (10GWicke)
[22:17:13] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: editSessionID is duplicated in Edit:Schema for Wikitext - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95919#1214022 (10Krenair) I have a feeling we're going to run into issues with multiple tabs...
[22:19:12] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: editSessionID is duplicated in Edit:Schema for Wikitext - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95919#1214023 (10Krenair) Actually, when I press back, I seem to get my old cookies as well.
[22:22:15] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Firefox lets you create a multi range selection - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96310#1214038 (10Esanders) 3NEW
[22:22:38] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile: Citoid mobile opens with the right half of its screen blank - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96313#1214061 (10Mooeypoo) 3NEW
[22:23:06] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile: Citoid mobile opens with the right half of its screen blank - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96313#1214061 (10Mooeypoo) {F115275}
[22:24:15] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: When cutting and pasting list items, it is hard to achieve the intended formatting - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T64742#1214077 (10Neil_P._Quinn_WMF) Appears to be fixed now. If you can still reproduce, please reopen.
[22:24:25] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: When cutting and pasting list items, it is hard to achieve the intended formatting - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T64742#1214078 (10Neil_P._Quinn_WMF) 5stalled>3Resolved
[22:38:45] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: VisualEditor: Duplicating references groups - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T56265#1214093 (10Neil_P._Quinn_WMF) I've tried to reproduce this using @Elitre's testcases, but couldn't; I'm tentatively closing as fixed.
[22:38:58] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: VisualEditor: Duplicating references groups - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T56265#1214095 (10Neil_P._Quinn_WMF) 5Open>3Resolved
[22:41:20] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: svwiki site script (?) mangles the page when using VisualEditor on a non-extant page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1214102 (10Josve05a) Fix conrirmed on at least Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv 40.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/40.0, however I was affect...
[22:41:48] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: svwiki site script (?) mangles the page when using VisualEditor on a non-extant page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1214104 (10Jdforrester-WMF) >>! In T95135#1213908, @Ainali wrote: > Great to have this fixed, thanks! So if I understand it correctly, this <...
[22:43:33] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS13) 10Physikerwelt: Render math tags in search results [extensions/Math] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/197737 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93075) 
[22:47:07] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: VE detecting ISBN magic word as invalid link - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95992#1214115 (10Josve05a)
[22:47:33] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10MediaWiki-Special-pages: VE detecting ISBN magic word as invalid link - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95992#1205732 (10Josve05a)
[22:49:05] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Physikerwelt: "I added the random number." [extensions/Math] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/197737 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93075) (owner: 10Physikerwelt)
[22:50:30] <Josve05a>	 Since VE has so many bugs, do they have bug triaging-drives or something?
[22:51:30] <James_F>	 Josve05a: Every Wednesday at 11:00 SF time.
[22:51:39] <James_F>	 Josve05a: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:VisualEditor/Portal
[22:55:56] <Josve05a>	 ah :D
[22:58:52] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: VE disables the ability to update the page by using "Read" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95985#1214139 (10Josve05a)
[23:00:33] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 10VisualEditor-Links, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Copying link makes it relative to edited page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95136#1214141 (10Josve05a)
[23:07:11] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 7notice: svwiki site script (?) mangles the page when using VisualEditor on a non-extant page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95135#1214153 (10Josve05a)
[23:20:02] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: VisualEditor: unintended ref change resulting in a dirty diff - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T58520#1214206 (10Neil_P._Quinn_WMF) I [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ANeil_P._Quinn-WMF%2Fsandbox&diff=656821548&oldid=656821441 | repeated ]] @MZMcBride's testcase, and I didn'...
[23:20:16] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: VisualEditor: unintended ref change resulting in a dirty diff - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T58520#1214212 (10Neil_P._Quinn_WMF) 5stalled>3Resolved
[23:22:59] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 7Verified-in-Phase0, and 2 others: Pop-up context menu shows redlinks in Citoid-created citation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95247#1214221 (10Etonkovidova)
[23:23:29] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Cursoring over an MWLinkNode takes you two characters to the right/left, not one - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96307#1214224 (10Neil_P._Quinn_WMF)
[23:24:45] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-DataModel, 10Parsoid, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-04-08_(1.26wmf1): Links aren't merged aggressively enough - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95028#1214228 (10Etonkovidova) The fix is in test2(1.26wmf2 (71e4dd1). The production still display...
[23:25:03] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-DataModel, 10Parsoid, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, and 2 others: Links aren't merged aggressively enough - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95028#1214230 (10Etonkovidova)
[23:29:31] <wikibugs>	 10TemplateData, 7Verified-in-Phase0, 5WMF-deploy-2015-04-01_(1.25wmf24), 5WMF-deploy-2015-04-15_(1.26wmf2), 7user-notice: TemplateData: Provide property "example" for template parameters - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T53049#1214257 (10Etonkovidova)
[23:32:16] <James_F>	 neilpquinn: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor/Roadmap#Metrics
[23:42:13] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 7Easy, and 2 others: Register <ref as a keyboard sequence to open the auto-fill citation tool - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95631#1214312 (10Etonkovidova) Works in beta and test2 - the shortcut sequence feels a little bit awkward.
[23:43:40] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 7Easy, and 3 others: Register <ref as a keyboard sequence to open the auto-fill citation tool - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95631#1214313 (10Etonkovidova)
[23:45:46] <wikibugs>	 10TemplateData, 6Community-Liaison, 10WMF-Product-Strategy: Please make me a list of commonly used templates in Wikipedia articles - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96323#1214314 (10Whatamidoing-WMF)