[00:12:44] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Internal links weirdly mangled in VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97447#1247889 (10Jdforrester-WMF) This shouldn't be possible at all – [[ and ]] aren't exposed in VE, so the user can't break them. Possibly a Parsoid issue,... [00:40:14] James_F: howdy [00:40:24] sorry, my computer was in the middle of a dang update, took AGES! [00:40:49] No worries. :-) [00:41:31] ok, so - i guess now bartosz isn't around... [00:41:32] :( [00:41:50] Yeah. [00:47:05] ok, I commented, but - can we skip this patch for another week, or is it getting too complicated? [00:51:58] TrevorParscal: We can wait, but… [00:52:16] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/status:open+project:oojs/ui+-message:WIP+limit:10,n,z [00:52:33] TrevorParscal: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/207413/ and https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/201617/ would be good. [00:53:26] TrevorParscal: And did we want to merge https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/206101/ this week? [00:54:36] TrevorParscal: Also https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/205006/ [00:56:40] TrevorParscal: Also https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/206484/ needs a +2. :-) [00:56:46] RoanKattouw: Do you recall any issues with using ETag for MediaWiki? Currently considering it as part of switching to hash versions. Problem being that we don't have a timestamp to feed Last-Modified. [00:57:11] Not that I know of [00:57:28] Do browsers have support similar to If-Modified-Since for E-Tag though? [00:57:47] If-None-Match is what it's called I guess [00:58:08] My only worry would be, do browsers send that header automatically with the same 304 behavior as If-Modified-Since; and what's support for older browsers like [00:58:58] I'm pretty sure E-Tag/INM is newer than LM/IMS but I don't know if the difference is something we should care about (e.g. if popular old IE versions don't send INM) or not [00:59:41] fyi, imo, pink has more blue than green in it, light red has equal parts blue and green [00:59:41] 10VisualEditor: Use consistent error state for text input widgets - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97516#1247980 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [00:59:43] 10OOjs-UI, 5OOjs-UI-next-release, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Create error state for TextInputWidget - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97403#1247978 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved [00:59:46] 10OOjs-UI, 5OOjs-UI-next-release, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Create error state for TextInputWidget - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97403#1241281 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [01:02:55] TrevorParscal: WFM. [01:03:16] TrevorParscal: Note that OOjs UI activity is in #wikimedia-editing now. [01:04:24] cool [01:05:26] (03CR) 10Trevor Parscal: "I'm OK with this if Nirzar thinks it's a good way to respond to UX testing failures." [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206484 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96118) (owner: 10Jforrester) [01:06:33] RoanKattouw: Yeah, browser support for ETag is HTTP 1.1 (IE 5.5 even) [01:06:43] OK [01:06:59] RoanKattouw: But I recall some noise cuple years back about Varnish or Squid [01:07:01] Probably worth validating that some of the old-ish browsers we care about actually do send If-None-Match headers [01:07:13] I would hope that Varnish supports If-None-Match [01:07:37] Googling it suggests Varnish may have issues with Etag vs gzip [01:07:49] Though I'm not sure why it's different from any other Vary header. [01:08:31] ETag isn't supposed to be globally unique. According to the spec it can be anything from a hashed timestamp, to an internal revision number, or a checksum if so desired. [01:09:42] Do you recall any particular concerns about Etag from ops or yourself with regards to ETag when we first made RL? [01:46:49] (03PS3) 10Jforrester: Update OOjs UI to v0.11.0 [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206102 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91152) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [01:47:50] (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 031] Update OOjs UI to v0.11.0 [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206102 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91152) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [01:57:35] (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Update OOjs UI to v0.11.0 [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206102 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91152) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [02:00:10] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update OOjs UI to v0.11.0 [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206102 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91152) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [02:01:11] (03PS1) 10Jforrester: Update VE core submodule to master (3fd7629) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207707 [02:02:37] (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Update VE core submodule to master (3fd7629) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207707 (owner: 10Jforrester) [02:03:13] (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] Update for changes in OOjs UI (Ib40e3477) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206103 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91152) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [02:04:42] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Update VE core submodule to master (3fd7629) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207707 (owner: 10Jforrester) [02:12:25] (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Update VE core submodule to master (3fd7629) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207707 (owner: 10Jforrester) [02:19:17] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update VE core submodule to master (3fd7629) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207707 (owner: 10Jforrester) [02:19:19] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update for changes in OOjs UI (Ib40e3477) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206103 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91152) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [02:21:29] 10VisualEditor, 5Patch-For-Review: [Regression pre-wmf3] Inspectors inside Media Settings>caption and Basic reference dialog are appearing too big - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96628#1248118 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [02:21:34] 10OOjs-UI, 5OOjs-UI-next-release, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, and 5 others: OOjs UI uses font-size of 12.8px (0.8×16px) for windows and toolbars, but Vector skin uses 14px (0.875×16px) for body content, creating inconsistency between widgets in... - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91152#1248115 [02:21:36] 10OOjs-UI, 5OOjs-UI-next-release, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, and 5 others: OOjs UI uses font-size of 12.8px (0.8×16px) for windows and toolbars, but Vector skin uses 14px (0.875×16px) for body content, creating inconsistency between widgets in... - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91152#1075292 [02:22:26] 10OOjs-UI, 5OOjs-UI-0.11.0, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-05-06_(1.26wmf5): Create error state for TextInputWidget - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97403#1241281 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [02:22:40] 10OOjs-UI, 5OOjs-UI-0.11.0, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, and 5 others: OOjs UI uses font-size of 12.8px (0.8×16px) for windows and toolbars, but Vector skin uses 14px (0.875×16px) for body content, creating inconsistency between widgets in windo... - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91152#1075292 [02:25:13] Krinkle: Where is @example for jsduck implemented? [02:25:20] Or is it just a question of passing eg-iframe? [02:25:39] Cause I'm trying to get jsduck validation to pass in Flow and I'm getting lots of Unsupported tag: @example warnings [02:28:11] RoanKattouw: Are you using it on entities other than classes? [02:28:15] It's only supported in classes. [02:28:20] Oh OK [02:28:22] That might explain [02:28:26] If you don't have an eg-iframe, just use indentation [02:28:27] I have 300+ errors, so... :D [02:28:32] @example's only purpose is to generate an iframe [02:28:32] Yeah I'll do that [02:28:34] Also [02:28:37] to show code, indentation suffices :) [02:28:41] How can I ignore lib / vendor dirs? [02:28:44] .jsduckignore ? [02:28:48] A thing in jsduck.json? [02:28:53] RoanKattouw: jsduck uses a whitelist, they shouldn't be included. [02:29:15] Right [02:29:19] I recall Flow doing some bash-based gnu-find queries to feed jsduck in the past, that's likely the problem [02:29:22] Unfortunately... our directory structure :( [02:29:30] They don't run jsduck at all [02:29:36] That's why there are 357 errors [02:29:44] RoanKattouw: The whitelist should be in jsduck.json [02:29:49] Yeah it's there [02:29:51] after "--": [ .. ] [02:29:57] is it matching lib/vendor? [02:29:58] I suppose I can carefully craft it around the vendor directory :S [02:30:00] Well [02:30:23] Warning: /home/catrope/git/mediawiki/extensions/Flow/modules/vendor/Storer.js:47: Unsupported tag: @version [02:30:24] vendor is inside modules/ [02:30:28] Yeah... [02:30:35] Don't do that :P [02:30:46] move to src/ and lib/ should fix that [02:30:50] Yeah I'll move it [02:30:54] or modules/src,lib [02:31:16] cool stuff [02:31:59] Let me know when you're ready to set up Zuul. It should be pretty straight forward. I'll walk you through that when the times comes. [02:32:35] s/setup/add config in/ [02:32:50] omg, FileCache uses timestamps. [02:32:57] And RL supports that [02:33:03] Yeah I have a half patch for that but then I decided I needed to see if things passed and ... [02:33:04] Just how many tentacles does this thing get. [02:33:05] git mv modules/vendor/* vendor/modules/ [02:33:07] problem solved [02:33:26] until you start using composer [02:33:39] Ugh right [02:33:47] I should use lib/ shouldn't I [02:33:56] I'm too lazy to move modules/* to modules/src/ except for vendor [02:34:02] or modules/{src,lib} if you want to keep it contained [02:34:23] since Flow has a decent PHP base, that might make sense [02:34:55] Yeah I think that's what I might end up doing [02:34:59] OK I'm gonna go home [02:35:02] James says "go to sleep" [02:35:16] Standup in 8.5 hours etc [02:35:36] (The timing of these meetings has changed somewhat :P ) [03:06:08] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Internal links weirdly mangled in VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97447#1248169 (10ssastry) As for https://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=72454319, I had written up this whole theory about DSR being wrong which caused se... [07:29:41] 10OOjs-UI, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10Vector, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Change OOUI MediaWiki theme to be optimized for font-size of 14px (0.875em×16px), instead of 12.8px (0.8em×16px), like MediaWiki Vector skin - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97631#1248353 (10matmare... [07:29:47] 10OOjs-UI, 10OOjs-UI-0.11.0, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, and 5 others: OOjs UI is optimized for font-size of 12.8px (0.8×16px), but sets it inconsistently for windows and toolbars only, requiring CSS counteractions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91152#1248362 (10matmarex) [07:30:12] 10OOjs-UI, 10OOjs-UI-0.11.0, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, and 5 others: OOjs UI is optimized for font-size of 12.8px (0.8×16px), but sets it inconsistently for windows and toolbars only, requiring CSS counteractions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91152#1248367 (10matmarex) [07:30:14] 10OOjs-UI, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10Vector, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Change OOUI MediaWiki theme to be optimized for font-size of 14px (0.875em×16px), instead of 12.8px (0.8em×16px), like MediaWiki Vector skin - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97631#1248353 (10matmare... [09:05:50] 10Citoid: Swedish {{cite news}} - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97260#1248449 (10Josve05a) @Mvolz How about a way to manually "switch" to cite news from cite web, if the user knows it is a newpaper. Now the user needs to go in to source, or do the cite manaully. [09:34:17] (03CR) 10Esanders: [C: 031] Put the Citoid tool in the menu as well as the toolbar [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206484 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96118) (owner: 10Jforrester) [09:52:35] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Cursoring over an MWLinkNode takes you two characters to the right/left, not one - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96307#1248513 (10dchan) Hmmm. The HTML of these links actually look like this: ``` ...foo  10VisualEditor, 6Editing, 3Google-Summer-of-Code-2015: GSoC'15/Outreachy Proposal for Unified language proofing tools integration framework - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93752#1248550 (10Qgil) p:5Triage>3Normal [10:14:35] 10VisualEditor, 3Google-Summer-of-Code-2015: GSoC'15 Proposal for Unified language proofing tools integration framework - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94144#1248580 (10Qgil) [10:29:10] (03CR) 10Esanders: [C: 031] Convert 'external' links to internal pages pasted into the search field [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/201627 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94334) (owner: 10Alex Monk) [11:03:40] We have a standup now? [11:03:52] I mean, right now? [11:51:46] 10Citoid, 10TemplateData: Citoid and bot disagree about use of language parameter in cite book - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97256#1248756 (10Elitre) Done. [11:59:29] 10Citoid, 10TemplateData: Citoid and bot disagree about use of language parameter in cite book - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97256#1248761 (10Elitre) a:3Mvolz [12:23:04] 10VisualEditor, 10MediaWiki-General-or-Unknown: The cryptic button to switch to the wikicode has to say "Basculer vers le wikicode" instead of "Basculer vers VisualEditor" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97512#1248790 (10Nnemo) [12:31:36] 10VisualEditor, 10MediaWiki-General-or-Unknown: The cryptic button to switch to the wikicode has to say "Basculer vers le wikicode" instead of "Basculer vers VisualEditor" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97512#1248793 (10Nnemo) Sorry, I made a mistake in the address. The correct address is : http://fr.w... [12:34:23] 10VisualEditor, 10MediaWiki-General-or-Unknown: The cryptic button to switch to the wikicode has to say "Basculer vers le wikicode" ("Switch to the wikicode") instead of "Basculer vers VisualEditor" ("Switch to VisualEditor") - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97512#1248795 (10Nnemo) [12:45:38] 10Citoid, 10TemplateData: Citoid and bot disagree about use of language parameter in cite book - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97256#1248815 (10Zebulon84) French Wikipedia citation templates just ignore |langue = fr This is done in module https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Biblio/Commun (sub-module of... [12:53:17] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile: Typing "{{" opens the template dialog off screen on iOS Safari - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95410#1248824 (10Nnemo) 5duplicate>3Open [12:58:35] 10Citoid, 10TemplateData: Citoid and bot disagree about use of language parameter in cite book - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97256#1248847 (10Elitre) Zebulon84, as Quiddity explained above, it is true that on fr.wiki the references are not preceded by (fr) if the reference is in French: still, the param... [13:02:13] (03PS1) 10Esanders: Fix toolbar & debug bar negative margins [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207765 [13:04:23] (03PS1) 10Esanders: Fix line height inside notice/help popups [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207767 [13:07:13] (03PS1) 10Esanders: Make 'page not found' label lowercase [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207768 [13:08:30] (03CR) 10Alex Monk: [C: 04-1] "Missing ImageInfoCache" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207492 (owner: 10Esanders) [13:49:12] 10VisualEditor: VE: empty "edit notices" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97644#1248951 (10Sunpriat) 3NEW [13:59:48] Hi, why the ability to "switch to source editing" does not work - the text is gray and can not be pressed? [14:14:34] 10VisualEditor, 10MediaWiki-extensions-Graph, 10Possible-Tech-Projects, 6Services, and 2 others: Outreachy and GSoC 2015 Proposal for Graph editing in Visual Editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93788#1248997 (10NiharikaKohli) [14:14:53] 10VisualEditor, 10MediaWiki-extensions-Graph, 10Parsoid, 6Services, 3Google-Summer-of-Code-2015: Graph editing in VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89287#1032390 (10NiharikaKohli) [14:17:02] 10VisualEditor: VE: action "switch to source editing" is not active - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97646#1249009 (10Sunpriat) 3NEW [14:20:23] 10VisualEditor, 3Google-Summer-of-Code-2015: GSoC'15 Proposal for Unified language proofing tools integration framework - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94144#1249023 (10NiharikaKohli) [14:39:26] 10VisualEditor: VE: action "switch to source editing" is not active - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97646#1249063 (10Krenair) https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/204934/ ? [14:39:36] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: VE: action "switch to source editing" is not active - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97646#1249065 (10Krenair) [14:53:11] 10VisualEditor: In Firefox: after inserting a link in VE, the cursor stays inside the link as you continue to type - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94765#1249070 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [14:54:03] 10VisualEditor: In Firefox: after inserting a link in VE, the cursor stays inside the link as you continue to type - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94765#1172201 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [14:54:05] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 5Patch-For-Review: [Regression wmf4] Link continuation is broken - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T74108#1249072 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [14:54:13] (03CR) 10Alex Monk: "T97646" [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204934 (owner: 10Mooeypoo) [15:49:09] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Internal links weirdly mangled in VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97447#1249206 (10gpaumier) 5Open>3Invalid a:3gpaumier @ssastry: You're right (in both cases). I had forgotten that VE exposed wikitext in the template... [15:49:12] 10VisualEditor, 10Browser-Tests, 6Release-Engineering: Selenium bug with Firefox causes VE test failure - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90651#1249211 (10greg) p:5High>3Unbreak! [15:49:22] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid: Internal links weirdly mangled in VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97447#1249215 (10gpaumier) [15:51:03] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid: Disable editing on pages that experience mediawiki API failures while generating HTML - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97649#1249224 (10ssastry) 3NEW [16:00:58] (03PS2) 10Esanders: Make static methods static in linkCache [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207492 [16:02:53] 10VisualEditor, 10Browser-Tests, 6Release-Engineering: Selenium bug with Firefox causes VE test failure - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90651#1249246 (10greg) p:5Unbreak!>3High [16:04:59] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10Parsoid-Nowiki, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: VisualEditor: Adding nowiki tags in unrelated edit - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T70511#1249257 (10marcoil) a:3marcoil Investigating… [16:05:01] (03PS1) 10Esanders: Remote unless, and almost-useless closures in response cache [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207815 [16:10:05] (03CR) 10Alex Monk: [C: 032] Make static methods static in linkCache [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207492 (owner: 10Esanders) [16:13:22] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Make static methods static in linkCache [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207492 (owner: 10Esanders) [16:19:11] 10Citoid, 10TemplateData: Citoid and bot disagree about use of language parameter in cite book - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97256#1249303 (10Quiddity) >>! In T97256#1248847, @Elitre wrote: > Is there a way to avoid this entirely (on enwiki, by not getting language=en added I mean)? Thank you! My sugge... [16:42:48] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid: Disable editing on pages that experience mediawiki API failures while generating HTML - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97649#1249362 (10ssastry) From Parsoid's perspective, the failed template encapsulation can be treated as the output of the template (with special markup on it),... [16:47:46] James_F: https://i.imgur.com/o0bte1Y.png [16:47:49] James_F: Editing Editing [16:47:50] so meta [16:48:02] Deskana: Inorite. [16:49:29] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid: Disable editing on pages that experience mediawiki API failures while generating HTML - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97649#1249394 (10ssastry) From ext.core.TemplateHandler.js: // We have a choice between aborting or keeping going and reporting the // error inline.... [16:54:50] 10VisualEditor: Wrong button displayed in Search tool - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94693#1249404 (10Elitre) 5Open>3Invalid a:3Elitre Seems to work now. [16:55:22] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 7Design, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Adjusted workflow for adding a new citation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97390#1249409 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [16:56:15] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 7Design, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Adjusted workflow for adding a new citation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97390#1240824 (10Jdforrester-WMF) >>! In T97390#1242873, @aripstra wrote: > Please provide an estimate of how long it will take to implement these des... [16:57:09] James_F: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/project:mediawiki/extensions/Renameuser+status:open+owner:%22Legoktm+%253Clegoktm.wikipedia%2540gmail.com%253E%22,n,z [16:57:23] legoPanda: Was just looking at some of those. [16:58:33] legoPanda: Is there a way to state MW compatibility in extension.json? [16:59:06] .......... :(((((((((((((((((((9 [16:59:09] not yet [16:59:13] legoPanda: Bah. Oh well. [16:59:17] (Add it!) [17:00:33] legoPanda: Did you want to backport those to REL1_25? [17:01:27] all except the last [17:01:46] * James_F nods. [17:09:19] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools: Resizing an image in the 'frame' mode should not be possible - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97661#1249481 (10TheDJ) 3NEW [17:13:24] 10VisualEditor: VisualEditor: Give the user a chance to understand if he made a mistake and to fix it - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T73422#1249507 (10Elitre) 5stalled>3Resolved a:3Elitre Yes, T73426. [17:26:07] (03PS2) 10Catrope: Remove unless, and almost-useless closures in response cache [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207815 (owner: 10Esanders) [17:27:15] (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Remove unless, and almost-useless closures in response cache [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207815 (owner: 10Esanders) [17:29:18] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools: Resizing an image in the 'frame' mode should not be possible - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97661#1249552 (10Esanders) Can Parsoid choose a different mode if we pass back non-standard dimensions? [17:29:27] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10Parsoid: Resizing an image in the 'frame' mode should not be possible - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97661#1249553 (10Esanders) [17:30:52] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Remove unless, and almost-useless closures in response cache [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207815 (owner: 10Esanders) [17:45:35] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 7Design, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Adjusted workflow for adding a new citation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97390#1249687 (10Jdforrester-WMF) Issues: * This only shows three of the up-to five user-specified templates, and (I suppose) is meant to hide the one... [17:53:26] 10OOjs-UI, 6Collaboration-Team: Toolbars should support position:bottom - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97582#1249741 (10Mattflaschen) [17:55:17] 10OOjs-UI: Toolbars should support position:bottom - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97582#1247114 (10Mattflaschen) [18:01:04] 10OOjs-UI: Toolbars should support position:bottom - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97582#1249817 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Normal [18:10:57] MatmaRex: Why is the TOC now (a) small and (b) greyed out in master? http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Dog?veaction=edit [18:15:09] (03CR) 10Legoktm: [C: 04-1] "As written this will break i18n, needs updating as well." [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/201235 (owner: 10Legoktm) [18:21:29] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-05-06_(1.26wmf5): Replace cite icon with "cite" label in toolbar - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95470#1249919 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [18:21:47] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-04-29_(1.26wmf4): Replace cite icon with "cite" label in toolbar - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95470#1191562 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [18:24:05] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: [Regression wmf3] Action "switch to source editing" does not activate - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97646#1249923 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Normal [18:35:27] (03PS1) 10MarkAHershberger: Fix screen jumping [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207875 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T73119) [18:42:49] 10VisualEditor: Options: 'Cancel' button does not cancel entered values - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97682#1250006 (10Etonkovidova) 3NEW [18:43:46] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: Options: 'Cancel' button does not cancel entered values and applies 'Show the Table of Contents' immediately(?) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97682#1250017 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Normal [19:14:29] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Media, 10Parsoid: Resizing an image in the 'frame' mode should not be possible - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97661#1250117 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Normal [19:17:54] James_F: dunno. possibly the first regression from yesterday's glitter bomb. want to file it? [19:17:56] also, hi. [19:19:03] MatmaRex: Hey. :-) [19:19:17] MatmaRex: It's the sizing of mw-content or whatever that flashes when you switch. [19:19:41] yeah, i also noticed that now [19:19:51] dunno why, VE must be doing something pretty evil for that to happen [19:20:07] VE? Evil? Never! [19:20:08] but i can debug later [19:20:13] * James_F nods. Thanks! [19:25:58] (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] Make 'page not found' label lowercase [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207768 (owner: 10Esanders) [19:27:47] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Make 'page not found' label lowercase [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207768 (owner: 10Esanders) [19:36:39] 10VisualEditor: VE: empty "edit notices" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97644#1250170 (10matmarex) [19:36:41] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: Editnotices with hidden content shows as "1 notice" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95822#1250171 (10matmarex) [19:36:58] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: Editnotices with hidden content shows as "1 notice" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95822#1201307 (10matmarex) [19:41:31] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: Article font a lot smaller while loading VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97690#1250180 (10matmarex) 3NEW a:3matmarex [19:56:55] 10MediaWiki-ResourceLoader, 10MediaWiki-Special-pages: Handle "This page requires JavaScript" (... and ResourceLoader support) errors - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97691#1250210 (10Spage) 3NEW [20:00:07] oh what the hell is wrong with beta labs this time [20:01:04] http://bits.beta.wmflabs.org/static-master/resources/lib/oojs-ui/oojs-ui-mediawiki-noimages.css [20:01:10] i am getting an ancient version of htis file [20:02:05] I get 2015-04-27T17:17:17Z [20:02:18] you? [20:05:10] Krenair: does it have "font-size: 0.8em" in it? if yes, it's old [20:05:49] It has 6 of them [20:05:50] from headers: Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 20:05:33 GMT [20:05:55] Expires: Fri, 29 May 2015 15:20:51 GMT [20:06:23] i cm [20:06:27] i complained on #-releng [20:06:50] but this is really unsettling [20:07:30] i spent a ton of time orchestrating six interdependent patches in six repositories, and now i can't use betalabs to verify them [20:07:44] obviously i can test locally, but then wtf is beta for [20:13:51] Hi, I a miss "" in symbols, where to find it? [20:15:17] surprisingly it is not in symbols [20:15:39] I had a bug for this „“ [20:18:30] (03PS1) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: Use consistent error state for text input widgets [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207935 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97516) [20:19:04] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Evaluate citoid for citations used on Wikimedia sites - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96927#1229521 (10gpaumier) [20:19:25] (03PS1) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: ve.ui.MWParameterPage: Remove dead CSS [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207942 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97516) [20:19:45] Juandev: you mean the plain ASCII quotes? it's probably not there [20:19:58] (03CR) 10Jforrester: "Happy from a Product perspective." [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207935 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97516) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [20:19:59] Juandev: the fancy quotes should be there under "Symbols", though [20:20:25] yes, I mean these quotes „“ [20:20:41] MatmaRex: " * OOjs UI v0.10.1 " is the quickest sign it's wrong. [20:21:03] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Evaluate citoid for citations used on Wikimedia sites - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96927#1229521 (10gpaumier) >>! In T96927#1247913, @gerritbot wrote: > Change 207689 had a related patch set uploaded (by Madhuvishy): > Use wmfuuid from x_analytics_map for app install id if ava... [20:21:07] 10VisualEditor, 5Patch-For-Review: [Regression pre-wmf3] Inspectors inside Media Settings>caption and Basic reference dialog are appearing too big - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96628#1250332 (10matmarex) 5Open>3Resolved [20:21:15] (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 031] ve.ui.MWParameterPage: Remove dead CSS [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207942 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97516) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [20:21:15] 10OOjs-UI, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10Vector, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Change OOUI MediaWiki theme to be optimized for font-size of 14px (0.875em×16px), instead of 12.8px (0.8em×16px), like MediaWiki Vector skin - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97631#1250335 (10matmare... [20:21:19] 10OOjs-UI, 10OOjs-UI-0.11.0, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, and 5 others: OOjs UI is optimized for font-size of 12.8px (0.8×16px), but sets it inconsistently for windows and toolbars only, requiring CSS counteractions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91152#1250334 (10matmarex) [20:21:30] James_F: on hah, yeah. [20:22:30] Juandev: You think " and ' need to be in the symbols list alongside the fancy ones? [20:22:42] James_F: no I mean „“ [20:23:01] one is on the lower line, the upper on the upper line [20:23:15] Juandev: They're there for me. „y“ and also „x” [20:23:28] umm in which set? [20:23:31] In "symbols". [20:23:42] Do you think they should be in "often used"? [20:25:18] umm [20:25:50] I am probably using a different version of VE at cs.wv [20:26:01] I dont know that there are any "often used" [20:26:31] Ah, yes, cswiki doesn't have that set up. [20:26:40] Do you want me to do that for you? (Or show you how?) [20:26:57] and what I only see in symbols is “ and ” not „“ [20:27:10] Juandev: http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Visualeditor-quick-access-characters.json [20:27:22] Juandev: Oooooh, yeah, sorry, we added those last week so they're not on cswiki yet. [20:27:35] Juandev: Totally forgot, my apologies. They'll be there next week. [20:27:39] so I will wait for the deploy than [20:27:48] James_F: I know en.wp is the first:-) [20:28:00] Juandev: Nope, enwiki is at the same time as cswiki. [20:28:11] Juandev: MediaWiki.org is first. :-) [20:28:12] ah ok [20:28:18] ah ha ha [20:28:47] OK, lets see it once you deploy it [20:28:57] Juandev: Anyway, creating something like http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Visualeditor-quick-access-characters.json for cswiki would be a way to make things like those symbols you want often available. [20:29:23] btw what does it mean if [20:29:36] avoid that line [20:29:40] Kk. [20:30:18] James_F: ok, I will ask in the village pump or admin board [20:30:25] Juandev: Cool. :-) [20:30:32] Juandev: If you have any questions, please ask. [20:30:46] well, sometimes i can see in VE enter mark. Does it mean the author left there the end of the line? [20:30:56] Yes. [20:32:32] umm [20:33:15] maybe VE could translate it as the end of the line and save it as the end of the line, but well, that may cause other trouble [20:33:50] the problem is people are not webdesigners, so they think if they hit enter, they start a new line, in fact new paragraph [20:33:59] in VE editing it works [20:34:05] in wikiformat not [20:36:06] cannot get image info from VE itself? [20:37:50] 10VisualEditor: Subpage breadcrumbs not shown after saving the page with VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97700#1250379 (10gpaumier) 3NEW [20:38:24] (03PS3) 10Paladox: WIP: DO NOT SUBMIT (Extension registration) [extensions/Math] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/187654 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87941) (owner: 10Physikerwelt) [20:54:47] (03PS1) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: ve.init.mw.ViewPageTarget: Set custom font-size for original .mw-body-content too [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207974 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97690) [21:14:50] (03CR) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: [C: 032] "That was looking not quite right, thanks." [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207765 (owner: 10Esanders) [21:17:02] edsanders|away: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/207974/ [21:18:05] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Fix toolbar & debug bar negative margins [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207765 (owner: 10Esanders) [21:18:29] Juandev: Yeah, we don't want to corrupt pages when you edit them, even if people "probably" meant to do that. [21:19:40] (03CR) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: [C: 032] Fix line height inside notice/help popups [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207767 (owner: 10Esanders) [21:20:35] so I think VE is almost pefect on wp, what is missing? [21:20:43] direct image upload?:-) [21:20:53] Juandev: We're working on it. But it'll take a long time. [21:21:10] Juandev: (Sadly.) [21:21:37] James_F: of course, will you redisign all commons? I guess it will need some sofware changes [21:21:37] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Fix line height inside notice/help popups [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207767 (owner: 10Esanders) [21:22:10] Juandev: It will not initially mean design changes for UploadWizard on Commons, no, but eventually we may make changes there too. [21:22:58] some may hate to add metadata, because if you do that in detail, you set same metadata 3 times: file name, file description, categories [21:23:23] * Juandev dont mind, me uses Vicuna [21:23:24] Juandev: Happy to discuss in #wikimedia-multimedia if you want. :-) [21:23:44] huh, didnt know about that channel, that team was led by Eric no? [21:24:12] By Gilles, but now it's led by marktraceur. [21:25:50] (03PS2) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: ve.init.mw.ViewPageTarget: Set custom font-size for original .mw-body-content too [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207974 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97690) [22:00:37] (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 031] ve.init.mw.ViewPageTarget: Set custom font-size for original .mw-body-content too [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207974 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97690) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [22:00:59] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 3Editing Department 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 5Patch-For-Review: [Regression pre-wmf5] Article font a lot smaller while loading VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97690#1250755 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3High [22:22:40] (03PS2) 10Jforrester: ui.ListAction: Fix screen jumping in Internet Explorer [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207875 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T73119) (owner: 10MarkAHershberger) [22:22:47] (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 031] ui.ListAction: Fix screen jumping in Internet Explorer [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207875 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T73119) (owner: 10MarkAHershberger) [22:27:27] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Links: Opening the link inspector with text selected should auto-populate search results for that text - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97723#1250814 (10Neil_P._Quinn_WMF) 3NEW [22:31:57] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Links: Explore better position for remove button in link inspector - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97725#1250844 (10Neil_P._Quinn_WMF) 3NEW a:3Nirzar [22:35:55] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Links: Explore better position for remove button in link inspector - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97725#1250863 (10Neil_P._Quinn_WMF) [23:30:17] 10OOjs-UI, 10Gather, 6Mobile-Web, 3Mobile-Web-Sprint-46-Taken:-The-Dan-Garry-Story: Tiny search icon in alpha - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97654#1251030 (10Jdlrobson) [23:33:34] 10OOjs-UI, 10Gather, 6Mobile-Web, 3Mobile-Web-Sprint-46-Taken:-The-Dan-Garry-Story: Tiny search icon in alpha - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97654#1251035 (10Jdlrobson) @esanders @Matmarex, this is caused by the same problem that hit the mobile settings link... only this time the icon oojs ui uses is... [23:45:27] 10OOjs-UI, 10Gather, 6Mobile-Web, 3Mobile-Web-Sprint-46-Taken:-The-Dan-Garry-Story: Tiny search icon in alpha and Gather beta - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97654#1251055 (10Jdlrobson) [23:45:37] 10OOjs-UI, 10Gather, 10Gather Sprint Greatest Hits, 6Mobile-Web, 3Mobile-Web-Sprint-46-Taken:-The-Dan-Garry-Story: Tiny search icon in alpha and Gather beta - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97654#1249346 (10Jdlrobson)