[02:29:13] 10VisualEditor: VisualEditor hangs while opening - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97346#1386409 (10Whatamidoing-WMF) I've [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mrjohncummings#Following_up | asked ]] the editor for an update. He hasn't saved any (undeleted) edits in VisualEditor (at en.wp) since July 2013. [07:08:54] (03PS4) 10Gerrit Patch Uploader: Remove unused parameter lang from $.wikiEditor.auto* functions [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/213600 [07:08:58] (03CR) 10Gerrit Patch Uploader: "This commit was uploaded using the Gerrit Patch Uploader [1]." [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/213600 (owner: 10Gerrit Patch Uploader) [08:05:59] 10VisualEditor, 6Mobile-Web: Table design overlaps Overlay header - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103293#1386547 (10Florian) 3NEW [08:48:44] 10VisualEditor, 6Community-Liaison, 7user-notice: Advertise VisualEditor's cool new features to existing editors - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101211#1386606 (10Elitre) As an experienced editor, the shortcuts which interest me the most are the ones which trigger link and template tools with [[ and {{... [09:02:46] 10VisualEditor: HotCat doesn't load after saving a page in VisualEditor (must refresh/reload first) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103285#1386629 (10Aklapper) Are there any error messages displayed in the browser's console when this happens? * [[ https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Web_Console |... [09:04:31] 10Citoid, 7I18n, 5WMF-deploy-2015-06-16_(1.26wmf10): Citoid messages in VE suddenly became untranslated - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103229#1386631 (10Mvolz) [10:00:37] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: VisualEditor: Add support for (the equivalent of?) editintro and preload - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T51622#1386744 (10Fannon) We've encountered this issue too on a private MediaWiki. Would be really great to have this s... [10:01:33] 10Citoid: Add crossref metadata request to lib/Scraper.js - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103238#1386748 (10Mvolz) [10:01:35] 10Citoid: Results of a test with 10 random DOIs from en.wiki on the Beta site - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94209#1386747 (10Mvolz) [11:50:22] 10VisualEditor, 6Community-Liaison, 7user-notice: Advertise VisualEditor's cool new features to existing editors - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101211#1387085 (10Trizek-WMF) Suggestions: * reuse a citation * just show usual shortcuts works (headings, bold, italic, links...) * copy/paste content already... [12:05:25] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Templates: Content of templates not found by VisualEditor's Search - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103286#1387222 (10Esanders) This bug isn't going to move any time soon because there are lots of complications around templates being just generated content from wiki... [12:07:28] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile, 6WMF-Design, 7Epic, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Agree a new overall design for VisualEditor on mobile phone-sized devices - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93325#1387272 (10Esanders) Narrow design form nirzar: {F182104} [13:52:45] (03PS1) 10Esanders: Make toolgroup hack work on all target [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/219825 [14:51:22] 10VisualEditor, 6Community-Liaison, 7user-notice: Advertise VisualEditor's cool new features to existing editors - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101211#1387675 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [14:51:35] 10VisualEditor, 6Community-Liaison, 7user-notice: Advertise VisualEditor's cool new features to existing editors - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101211#1332730 (10Jdforrester-WMF) Added a few suggestions to the list. [14:57:54] Krenair: Can I grab a quick +2 on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/219282/ so I can SWAT it? Forgot to ask. [14:58:16] (03CR) 10Alex Monk: [C: 032] Reduce 'Edit' EventLogging schema sampling rate to 6.25% (1/16th) [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/219282 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103036) (owner: 10Jforrester) [14:58:22] Krenair: Thanks. [14:58:51] (03PS1) 10Jforrester: Reduce 'Edit' EventLogging schema sampling rate to 6.25% (1/16th) [extensions/WikiEditor] (wmf/1.26wmf10) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/219836 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103036) [14:59:37] (03CR) 10Alex Monk: [C: 032] Reduce 'Edit' EventLogging schema sampling rate to 6.25% (1/16th) [extensions/WikiEditor] (wmf/1.26wmf10) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/219836 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103036) (owner: 10Jforrester) [15:00:08] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Reduce 'Edit' EventLogging schema sampling rate to 6.25% (1/16th) [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/219282 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103036) (owner: 10Jforrester) [15:00:46] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Reduce 'Edit' EventLogging schema sampling rate to 6.25% (1/16th) [extensions/WikiEditor] (wmf/1.26wmf10) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/219836 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103036) (owner: 10Jforrester) [15:08:17] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: VisualEditor: Add support for (the equivalent of?) editintro and preload - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T51622#1387770 (10Jdforrester-WMF) These tasks *really* shouldn't have been merged, despite being about 'the same' exten... [15:09:00] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: VisualEditor: Magically support Extension:InputBox's content for BLP warning notices on enwiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T56029#1387772 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5duplicate>3Open p:5Lowest>3Normal [15:10:03] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10MediaWiki-Page-editing: Add support for (the equivalent of?) editintro and preload - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T51622#1387794 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Normal>3Lowest [15:11:36] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: VisualEditor: Magically support Extension:InputBox's content for BLP warning notices on enwiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T56029#1387800 (10Jdforrester-WMF) One way to fix this, as @Cenarium has observed, would be to fix {T... [15:59:48] James_F, do you remember some way to dump the full dm and import it into a new VE session? [16:00:00] Krenair: No. [16:00:07] I thought I'd seen some code snippet that did something like that [16:00:38] Ran into a very nasty bug with some strange wikitext I tried, but I can't figure out how to reproduce it :( [16:02:10] save dialog to stayed put after save involving a table, "Uncaught TypeError: this.getTableNode(...).getMatrix is not a function" in console [16:07:26] I'll keep the tab open for now [16:26:26] 10VisualEditor, 6Editing-Department, 3Mobile-Web, 3Readership-Web-Next-Sprint-50-X______________: Extremely high amount of errors for anonymous editors - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97494#1388168 (10KLans_WMF) [16:26:39] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Enable science direct translator (if working) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97042#1388175 (10mobrovac) 5Open>3Resolved Deployed, resolving. [16:34:18] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Enable science direct translator (if working) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97042#1388202 (10mobrovac) 5Resolved>3Open Reopening as there seem to be problems now - https://citoid.wikimedia.org/api?format=mediawiki&search=10.1016%2Fj.cagd.2005.06.005 . Will investigate. [16:57:04] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Enable science direct translator (if working) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97042#1388333 (10Mvolz) Well, crap. It works on my master + localhost. What version of citoid is in deployment? [16:59:35] edsanders, question, I'm not sure if I should report this as a bug or if I am missing something. ferdbold is working on the Graph dialog, and he's using ve.ui.WhitespacePreservingTextInputWidget. He's validating the graph on changes, but what I am worried about is that ths isValid() method is async and yet it's not abortable.... I was a little concerned with this. Is this a bug or am I overworried? [17:00:22] I'm concerned that the isValid() is called on change and isn't abortable, we might get unnecessary promises and problems when we don't abort the previous ones. [17:05:00] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Enable science direct translator (if working) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97042#1388346 (10mobrovac) Reverted back for now as it causes Citoid to crash. Further investigations needed. [17:06:29] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Enable science direct translator (if working) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97042#1388351 (10mobrovac) >>! In T97042#1388333, @Mvolz wrote: > Well, crap. It works on my master + localhost. What version of citoid is in > deployment? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/210037/ is... [17:30:34] edsanders: Killed the meeting because there's only one change ("Converting an error image (red link) from block to inline does not lose its error state"). [17:30:42] One 'real' change. [17:34:11] (03PS1) 10Jforrester: build: Don't run jsonlint on lib/ve [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/219863 [17:39:55] (03PS1) 10Jforrester: Update VE core submodule to master (7b7b3d8) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/219865 [17:49:39] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid: nowiki link-like strings that aren't in s - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103364#1388596 (10cscott) [17:50:44] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: nowiki link-like strings that aren't in s - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103364#1388610 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [17:51:18] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: nowiki link-like strings that aren't in s - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103364#1388615 (10cscott) I think this might actually be a VE bug. That is, I think the behavior where the user types `http://example.com` into VE without explicitl... [17:52:11] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: nowiki link-like strings that aren't in s - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103364#1388623 (10Jdforrester-WMF) Yes, there's a bug in VE about auto-linking "http://foo.com" and "ISBN 123456789X" and so on, but that's a client-side decision. [17:55:50] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: nowiki link-like strings that aren't in s - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103364#1388644 (10cscott) @Jdforrester-WMF could you dig up that bug to link here? To clarify: you're okay with us "fixing" this "feature" in Parsoid so that typing... [18:04:25] 10VisualEditor: HotCat doesn't load after saving a page in VisualEditor (must refresh/reload first) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103285#1388672 (10GermanJoe) (I originally filed this bug on en-Wiki) No console message is displayed, when I save the article (Windows XP, FF 38). But when I started the editi... [18:23:17] 10WikiEditor, 10Analytics-EventLogging, 6Analytics-Kanban, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Reduce WikiEditor 'Edit' EventLogging schema sampling rate to 6.25% (1/16th) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103036#1388729 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved [18:38:23] 10WikiEditor, 10Analytics-EventLogging, 6Analytics-Kanban, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Reduce WikiEditor 'Edit' EventLogging schema sampling rate to 6.25% (1/16th) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103036#1388807 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [18:57:49] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: VisualEditor: Magically support Extension:InputBox's content for BLP warning notices on enwiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T56029#1388915 (10TheDJ) I think it is better than editintro+JS yes. [18:58:13] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Links: Link inspector does not close while placing the cursor on the same line (for empty line) and also it shifts the cursor to the left after typing the first character on CE while the ins... - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93013#1388916 [18:59:15] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10OOjs-UI, 7Design, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: Make the save page button flush to the toolbar - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101165#1388918 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [19:04:07] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Enable science direct translator (if working) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97042#1388961 (10mobrovac) p:5High>3Unbreak! [19:04:55] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Enable science direct translator (if working) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97042#1388962 (10mobrovac) a:5Mvolz>3mobrovac Assigning to myself as I'll try to investigate further and/or hot-patch the deployment version if needed [19:20:50] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: VisualEditor: Provide support for BLP edit notices on enwiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T56029#1389002 (10TheDJ) [19:42:11] 10VisualEditor, 6Community-Liaison, 10Wikimania-Hackathon-2015, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: VisualEditor translathon at Wikimania Mexico - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91108#1389065 (10Rfarrand) @elitre - this year we just don't have access to rooms of different sizes. It is fine for you to bl... [19:57:06] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Enable science direct translator (if working) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97042#1389148 (10mobrovac) It seems ScienceDirect translations trigger a chain on events. First, Zotero tries to retrieve the page, but a failure happens on the Squid proxy - P821 . However, this is not... [20:19:02] 10VisualEditor: erences with IDs are not being correctly created by VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103415#1389237 (10ToBeFree) 3NEW [20:43:36] 10Citoid, 7I18n, 5WMF-deploy-2015-06-23_(1.26wmf11): Citoid messages in VE suddenly became untranslated - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103229#1389398 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [20:44:30] 10Citoid, 7I18n, 5WMF-deploy-2015-06-23_(1.26wmf11): Citoid messages in VE suddenly became untranslated - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103229#1389399 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Nikerabbit [21:00:30] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-06-23_(1.26wmf11): Let me press return instead of clicking the green "Insert" button - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97352#1389462 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [21:04:09] 10MediaWiki-extensions-Graph-VE, 10VisualEditor, 5WMF-deploy-2015-06-23_(1.26wmf11), 7user-notice: Enable basic Vega display in VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99936#1389507 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [21:15:40] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: VE should give more useful message on save error due to block - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95752#1389560 (10Jdforrester-WMF) a:3Krenair [21:16:01] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Media, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-06-23_(1.26wmf11): Converting an error image (red link) from block to inline loses its error state - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101085#1389563 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [21:16:42] James_F, I was looking at that one recently [21:16:52] We definitely have some useful bits of information to give [21:16:54] Krenair: You fixed its blocker. :-) [21:17:24] But perhaps not all the information the original ticket author was looking for [21:17:31] :-( [21:18:50] I'm not sure the scope on the original ticket was right anyway [21:19:14] perhaps we should figure out exactly what we should show [21:20:39] What do you think we should show? [21:20:45] keeping in mind that the error would likely have already been sent from the server in the form of an edit notice [21:20:48] More than "Your IP is blocked, sorry". [21:20:52] and figure out what we don't have but need [21:21:13] We have details about the block such as reason, timestamp, expiry, etc. [21:21:25] But not that it only affected anonymous users and such [21:21:26] Does the user really want to know that, though? [21:21:32] * James_F nods. [21:21:39] Which should be fairly easy to add [21:21:43] "You are blocked" vs. "You are blocked, but if you log in you can edit". [21:21:48] Just need to clear up exactly how far we want to go [21:22:29] There's potential for showing the user's IP back to them, for example. Which could be a pain given the way the core code works, but entirely possible. Again, not sure if really wanted [21:22:57] Hmm. Might be useful. [21:23:14] E.g. 0.0.0.0/0 being blocked is a totally different issue than 1.2.3.4 [21:23:26] (Not that we let users block > /16 any more) [21:24:00] Is that hardcoded now or is it determined by a config setting? [21:24:15] I think it varies between v4 and v6 as well? [21:24:16] No idea. Knowing MW, probably the latter. :-( [21:24:19] That too. [21:24:29] ISTR v6 is a /48 or something still huge. [21:24:39] I don't remember the name of the settings off the top of my head [21:25:29] * James_F neither. [21:31:41] I'm getting this weird "$.ucFirst is not a function" from mediawiki.Title.js that I can't get rid of and prevents VE from loading. Everything is provisioned and up to date, and I currently have master branch checked out. Anyone have any ideas? [21:45:16] 10VisualEditor, 6Editing-Department, 3Mobile-Web, 3Readership-Web-Next-Sprint-50-X______________: Extremely high amount of errors for anonymous editors - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97494#1389777 (10Jdlrobson) Update: This is still happening. In last two weeks [1]: http 19581 ve-load-error 144 ve-s... [21:47:32] 10WikiEditor, 7Easy, 5Patch-For-Review, 7Upstream: WikiEditor: Add SVG versions of editing toolbar icons - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T37342#1389788 (10TheDJ) I can be OK with this version. I have a slight concern about the outline of the italic I, and the signature button seems to be aligned a bit... [21:48:12] (03CR) 10TheDJ: "I can be OK with this. Last concerns are detailed in the ticket." [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/181786 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T37342) (owner: 10Paladox) [21:48:28] yo [21:49:52] Did mooey|away mention anything about some odd software that occasionally injects JavaScript into pages edited with VE? [21:50:15] yes [21:50:23] Is there a bug report? [21:50:28] recently. I can't remember where [21:50:39] Here's an example: https://he.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D7%A0%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%90_%D7%9E%D7%93%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%AA_%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%9C&curid=2251&diff=17092137&oldid=16969939 [21:51:08] It's harmless as far as I can see, except adding work to patrolers who need to clean it up. [21:53:03] And there's an AbuseFilter for that, but it might block edits by people who mean well and don't know that they have software that does silly things. [21:53:40] And it may also happen in other languages, in which there is no crazy Amir Aharoni to check each and every broken VE edit. [21:54:03] Yeah, we have quite the list of things we blacklist from software doing things like this. [21:54:33] Would you mind sticking a ticket in phabricator? [22:02:31] Krinkle_, I noticed that enwikibooks has a blank edit notice [22:04:45] 10VisualEditor, 7Epic: Account for product planning in VE backlog - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102268#1389883 (10JAufrecht) [22:05:54] 10VisualEditor: Adguard injects code to VisualEditor edits - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103430#1389889 (10Amire80) 3NEW [22:07:00] thanks [22:08:57] 10VisualEditor: Create VE Product Burnup chart - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102272#1389912 (10JAufrecht) p:5Triage>3High [22:09:07] 10VisualEditor: Move high-level plans into Phabricator - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102561#1389915 (10JAufrecht) p:5Triage>3Normal [22:09:40] 10VisualEditor, 7Epic, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Decide how to represent work bigger than tasks in Phabricator - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102560#1389920 (10JAufrecht) See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor/Design_of_Backlog for resolution. [22:09:58] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Adguard injects code to VisualEditor edits - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103430#1389921 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3High [22:10:09] Krenair: Think you can write a quick patch for that? [22:13:12] 10VisualEditor: Align all VE tasks with higher-level Goals and Epics - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102267#1389950 (10JAufrecht) p:5Triage>3High [22:14:06] James_F, Krenair: This one is harder to fix because 1) there's nothing distinctive on the