[00:00:01] <hypergrove>	 short url is in play here
[00:01:40] <hypergrove>	 so no http:.../hub/anything won't work here, but  http://52.26.103.139:8191/Main_Page does work
[00:04:53] <hypergrove>	 curl -L http://52.26.103.139:8191/Main_Page resolves
[00:09:39] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS8) 10Krinkle: Update jQuery Client to v2.0.0 [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/216531 (owner: 10Paladox)
[00:10:04] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Krinkle: [C: 032] Update jQuery Client to v2.0.0 [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/216531 (owner: 10Paladox)
[00:11:54] <hypergrove>	 to recap: http://52.26.103.139:8142/Main_Page replies "Cannot GET /Main_Page". Parsoid service is running without errors. wgEnableAPI=true. parsoidConfig.setInterwiki( 'hub',   'http://localhost:8191/api.php' ); $wgVisualEditorParsoidPrefix has been confirmed to be 'hub'. $wgVisualEditorParsoidURL = 'http://localhost:8142';
[00:12:45] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update jQuery Client to v2.0.0 [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/216531 (owner: 10Paladox)
[00:22:35] <hypergrove>	 I am getting error message: Error loading data from server: 404: parsoidserver-http: HTTP 404. to recap: when veaction=dit, I am getting error message: "Error loading data from server: 404: parsoidserver-http: HTTP 404.". When I try http://52.26.103.139:8142/Main_Page I get the reply "Cannot GET /Main_Page". The parsoid service is running without errors. with wgEnableAPI=true.$wgVisualEditorParsoidPrefix has been confirmed to be 'hub',
[00:22:35] <hypergrove>	 //localhost:8191/api.php'); and $wgVisualEditorParsoidURL = 'http://localhost:8142'; No errors are shown in parsoid.log nor apache's error.log. 
[00:22:58] <hypergrove>	 oops try again
[00:22:59] <hypergrove>	 to recap: when veaction=dit, I am getting error message: "Error loading data from server: 404: parsoidserver-http: HTTP 404.". When I try http://52.26.103.139:8142/Main_Page I get the reply "Cannot GET /Main_Page". The parsoid service is running without errors. with wgEnableAPI=true.$wgVisualEditorParsoidPrefix has been confirmed to be 'hub', con sistent with parsoidConfig.setInterwiki('hub','http:
[00:22:59] <hypergrove>	 //localhost:8191/api.php'); and $wgVisualEditorParsoidURL = 'http://localhost:8142'; No errors are shown in parsoid.log nor apache's error.log.
[00:27:41] <hypergrove>	 thinking about this.... http://52.26.103.139:8142/Main_Page I get the reply "Cannot GET /Main_Page".... Now I see why http://52.26.103.139:8142/hub/Main_Page was being suggested in order to pepper parsoid with the proper prefix, however that yields "Cannot GET /hub/Main_Page" ....
[00:28:48] <hypergrove>	 The "hub" prefix does not seem to be resolving the api's url consistent with parsoidConfig.setInterwiki('hub','http:
[00:28:49] <hypergrove>	 [17:22] <hypergrove> //localhost:8191/api.php');
[00:31:17] <hypergrove>	 is there anyway to find out what URL parsoid is using to retrieve a page???
[00:31:51] <hypergrove>	 can parsoid be put into debug mode?
[00:33:05] <Krenair>	 that'd be something to ask -parsoid
[01:40:22] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste: HTML5's <time> tag is included when text using it is copy & pasted into VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103723#1403357 (10Neil_P._Quinn_WMF) p:5Triage>3Low
[01:46:36] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: "Review changes" diff should always be displayed - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103451#1403366 (10Neil_P._Quinn_WMF) @awight: I don't know of any data, but one of our goals is for VE users to have no need to care about their diff. If even a significant minority have such a need, we're faili...
[01:59:41] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: "Review changes" diff should always be displayed - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103451#1403377 (10awight) Yeah it's not fair for me to impose my own preferences here cos I have programming induced ocd like no joke. I'm surprised to hear that tracked changes are specifically ruled out, howev...
[06:56:58] <Fannon>	 Hi there! Is Wikitext.next still in development? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikitext.next
[07:06:02] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 10MediaWiki-Vagrant: Citoid provisioning fails with npm errors - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103634#1403731 (10Mattflaschen) Indeed /home/vagrant/tmp is owned by root:  ``` vagrant@mediawiki-vagrant:~$ ls -ld /home/vagrant/tmp/ drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jun 10 22:42 /home/vagrant/tmp/ ```  W...
[07:41:12] <Krinkle>	 Fannon: afaik it completed. still being maintained of course, but Parsoid is stable and being used by VisualEditor on Wikipedia already
[07:41:37] <Krinkle>	 here's an example, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor:Basic_example_worksheet?veaction=edit
[07:42:01] <Krinkle>	 the document being interacted with there is an HTML5 DOM that can be serialised back to wikitext by Parsoid
[07:42:43] <Fannon>	 @Krinkle: Ah ok, so it's not an actual wikitext replacement
[07:42:50] <Fannon>	 but an in-between format?
[07:43:28] <Krinkle>	 Fannon: Parsoid produces a stable HTML format that has rich meta-data about it's composition, and allows VE to edit it in a meaningful way.
[07:44:08] <Krinkle>	 Whether we store wikitext in the database and produce HTML for the API, or store HTML and produce wikitext for the classic editor is an implementation detail
[07:44:28] <Krinkle>	 either way both formats are available and can be transformed in either direction by Parsoid.
[07:44:41] <Krinkle>	 One could consider this specifi HTML5 format the wikitext replacement.
[07:44:54] <Krinkle>	 We're certainly not goint to a different markup format, this is it.
[07:45:54] <Fannon>	 Ok, that means MediaWiki can have two markup formats: Old wikitext (that's very concise) and the wikitext.next annotated HTML
[07:46:22] <Krinkle>	 Parsoid HTML5 DOM
[07:46:24] <Krinkle>	 Yeah
[07:46:36] <Fannon>	 So I guess that would be a complete replacement for wikitext as long as users don't want to edit the source markup by hand
[07:46:37] <Krinkle>	 it's not all that concise really
[07:46:53] <Fannon>	 Yes, I've got some problems with wikitext
[07:47:04] <Krinkle>	 and Parsoid is only verbose if you query the API to include wikitext meta data.
[07:47:12] <Krinkle>	 That's completely optional.
[07:47:27] <Krinkle>	 Fannon: wikitext contains a lot of html. They're both comprehensive formats one has to learn.
[07:47:38] <Krinkle>	 So it wouldn't be a big step to have users edit HTML>
[07:47:45] <Krinkle>	 but remember that the parser works both ways.
[07:48:07] <Krinkle>	 We could've switched the canonical storage to html last week and nobody would've noticed. action=edit would still show wikitext.
[07:48:16] <Fannon>	 yes, but i would say that wikitext tables are more difficult than HTML tables, at least when you're starting to add more complicated wikitext within table cells
[07:48:39] <Krinkle>	 All the more reason to let them edit proper html?
[07:48:41] <Krinkle>	 (if they want to)
[07:48:50] <Krinkle>	 Though the table editor in VisualEditor is quite nice :)
[07:48:52] <Fannon>	 Ok, but could I use wikitext.next as default edit source ?
[07:48:57] <Fannon>	 Yes, I like it!
[07:48:59] <Krinkle>	 wikitext.next is not a thing.
[07:49:08] <Krinkle>	 Its an old proposal draft describing a rough direction
[07:49:41] <Krinkle>	 there's Parsoid, Parsoid HTML format, and VE :)
[07:49:57] <Krinkle>	 Sometimes called the Parsoid HTML/RDFa document model.
[07:50:00] <Fannon>	 Yes, I've noticed that they go hand in hand
[07:50:18] <Fannon>	 but right now, you would need a parsoid service as a definate dependency
[07:50:27] <Krinkle>	 the working title wikitext.next was never adopted outside that page afaik
[07:50:53] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10TheDJ: "Last remnants removed in e71796a9fd5adc07a9163c61b15258c39ba60147" [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/199387 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93384) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[07:50:55] <Fannon>	 Yes, it's probably misleading since it's a HTML variant and not a wikitext variant
[07:50:55] <Krinkle>	 Fannon: For wikis with existing wikitext content wanting to use VE, yeah, they'd need Parsoid to do the conversion.
[07:51:26] <Fannon>	 So if a wiki ditches old-style wikitext completly, the parsoid isn't needed anymore?
[07:52:44] <Fannon>	 But I guess a lot of MediaWiki Extensions depend on the wikitext markup
[07:54:50] <Fannon>	 Thanks for explaining btw! Is there somewhere a good writeup on this?
[08:31:01] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 10MediaWiki-Vagrant: Citoid provisioning fails with npm errors - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103634#1403909 (10mobrovac) `sudo chown vagrant: /home/vagrant/tmp` should fix it. Since that is owned by root, probably doing `chown -R vagrant: /home/vagrant` could be of use.
[08:33:39] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10SyntaxHighlight, 7Browser-Support-Firefox: Inspector for editing syntax-highlight extension contents is really tiny, can't be resized - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T57934#1403911 (10Krinkle) That inspector shown in that screenshot is not one from the Syn...
[08:34:06] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10SyntaxHighlight, 7Browser-Support-Firefox: VisualEditor inspector for SyntaxHighlight is too tiny with no resize option - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T57934#1403914 (10Krinkle)
[08:35:44] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10SyntaxHighlight: Support SyntaxHighlight "inline" elements in VisualEditor inspector - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103963#1403915 (10Krinkle) 3NEW
[08:41:14] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10SyntaxHighlight: Provide basic source code editor features in VisualEditor SyntaxHighlight plugin - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T49742#1403928 (10Krinkle)
[08:59:54] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Gerrit Patch Uploader: Replace deprecated 'jquery.mwExtension' by 'mediawiki.RegExp' [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221074 
[08:59:57] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Gerrit Patch Uploader: "This commit was uploaded using the Gerrit Patch Uploader [1]." [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221074 (owner: 10Gerrit Patch Uploader)
[09:30:51] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown, 7JavaScript, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 7user-notice: JavaScript is broken on various wikis (after replacing deprecated escapeRE with mw.RegExp) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103498#1404000 (10Aklapper)
[10:06:41] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Collaboration-Team, 10Flow, 7I18n: visualeditor-wikitext-warning must be different for Flow - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103971#1404111 (10Amire80) 3NEW
[10:41:13] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 6Collaboration-Team, 10Flow: Flow summary input area should have a placeholder in VE mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103978#1404258 (10Pginer-WMF) 3NEW
[10:42:16] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 6Collaboration-Team, 10Flow: Flow summary input area should have a placeholder in VE mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103978#1404258 (10Pginer-WMF)
[10:42:17] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable: Be able to set placeholder text (generic content?) on an empty CE surface - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96593#1221523 (10Pginer-WMF)
[10:42:25] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable: Be able to set placeholder text (generic content?) on an empty CE surface - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96593#1221523 (10Pginer-WMF)
[10:42:27] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 6Collaboration-Team, 10Flow: Flow summary input area should have a placeholder in VE mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103978#1404258 (10Pginer-WMF)
[10:43:02] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Esanders: [C: 032] MWLinkAnnotationInspector: Get HtmlDocument in a different way [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/220378 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103176) (owner: 10Mattflaschen)
[10:45:17] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: MWLinkAnnotationInspector: Get HtmlDocument in a different way [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/220378 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103176) (owner: 10Mattflaschen)
[11:52:54] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 5Patch-For-Review, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-06-23_(1.26wmf11), 5WMF-deploy-2015-06-30_(1.26wmf12): VE-Graph integration breaks mobile VE - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103561#1404520 (10Dddddd) p:5Unbreak!>3Low a:5Krenair>303102006
[11:56:50] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Graph, 5Patch-For-Review, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers, and 2 others: VE-Graph integration breaks mobile VE - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103561#1404538 (10Krenair) p:5Low>3Unbreak! a:503102006>3Krenair
[15:03:42] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor, 7JavaScript: The jquery.mwExtension module was deprecated - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103993#1404955 (10Umherirrender) 3NEW
[15:06:29] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Umherirrender: Replace deprecated 'jquery.mwExtension' by 'mediawiki.RegExp' [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221074 (owner: 10Gerrit Patch Uploader)
[15:10:22] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Umherirrender: Replace deprecated 'jquery.mwExtension' by 'mediawiki.RegExp' [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221074 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103993) (owner: 10Gerrit Patch Uploader)
[15:10:34] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Umherirrender: [C: 032] Replace deprecated 'jquery.mwExtension' by 'mediawiki.RegExp' [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221074 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103993) (owner: 10Gerrit Patch Uploader)
[15:11:45] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor, 7JavaScript: Stop using the deprecated jquery.mwExtension module - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103993#1405018 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved p:5Triage>3Normal a:3Fomafix
[15:13:30] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Replace deprecated 'jquery.mwExtension' by 'mediawiki.RegExp' [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221074 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103993) (owner: 10Gerrit Patch Uploader)
[15:16:44] <mvolz>	 James_F: I think there could potentially be something to be done both in the extension and in VE in general
[15:20:09] <mvolz>	 James_F: also did you have a comment on this? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/220663/ probably just me making life difficult for Krenair :)
[15:20:22] <mvolz>	 otherwise I tested and it works well. 
[15:20:29] <James_F>	 mvolz: Reading.
[15:20:50] <James_F>	 mvolz: Ah, yeah, I considered making the sticky-tab functionality even more complex and decided against.
[15:21:12] <James_F>	 mvolz: There's a level of user confusion that's not desirable even if it might as an expert user be more "obvious".
[15:21:25] <mvolz>	 ok :)
[15:21:30] <James_F>	 mvolz: I for one re-use cites all the time when I edit, also. :-)
[15:21:44] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 031] "Happy from my end, despite concerns." [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/220663 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103582) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[15:21:53] <James_F>	 Want to +2?
[15:24:32] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Mvolz: Default mode to last mode used by user [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/220663 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103582) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[15:25:01] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Mvolz: [C: 032] Default mode to last mode used by user [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/220663 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103582) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[15:25:13] <James_F>	 Thanks.
[15:25:26] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Remember last used tab (auto/manual/re-use) on citation tool in a hidden preference and open to that one next time - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103582#1405067 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved
[15:26:16] <mvolz>	 James_F: I guess not everyone edits the same way :P
[15:26:36] <James_F>	 mvolz: No doubt. :-)
[15:26:38] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 5Patch-For-Review, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Insertion of <i> tag - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100464#1405075 (10Jdforrester-WMF) a:3Mvolz
[15:32:11] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] Get rid of Category: prefix when looking up categories from the API [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/220935 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103777) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[15:33:55] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 7Regression, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Category widget wrongly claims category has no description page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103777#1405103 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved p:5Triage>3Normal a:3Krenair
[15:34:03] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 7Regression, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Category widget wrongly claims category has no description page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103777#1398810 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[15:34:33] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Default mode to last mode used by user [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/220663 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103582) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[15:34:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Get rid of Category: prefix when looking up categories from the API [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/220935 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103777) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[15:45:46] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Abandoned) 10Jforrester: [NEVER MERGE] Local hack for testing link inspector [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206390 (owner: 10Esanders)
[16:41:28] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid: VisualEditor added `id="mw`s to many articles - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103842#1405331 (10He7d3r)
[16:58:26] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10Beta-Cluster: On Beta Cluster, switching from VisualEditor to edit source mode intermittently loads the wikitext editor without any CSS - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86624#1405382 (10greg) Still an issue?
[17:02:30] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10Beta-Cluster: On Beta Cluster, switching from VisualEditor to edit source mode intermittently loads the wikitext editor without any CSS - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86624#1405404 (10hashar) 5Open>3declined a:3hashar Not much we can do after a few mont...
[17:30:06] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6WMF-Design-Research, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers: VE Readiness / New Editors Experience (VE and WTE) {Horse} - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96995#1405507 (10Capt_Swing)
[17:59:09] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10RESTBase, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers: RESTbase should return a 404 for a page that's been deleted - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100031#1405621 (10Pchelolo) PR for restbase part: https://github.com/wikimedia/restbase/pull/269 PR for update job part:...
[18:10:54] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jforrester: Run the faked IME unit tests in VE-MW too [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221162 
[18:11:11] <ferdbold>	 Is there a mw.hook that I can use when the view mode is reloaded after a page is saved?
[18:11:27] <hypergrove>	 hello! still working on my 404 error displayed by veditor. fwiw veditor worked using localhost. It's multiple wikis accessing one parsoid service, I get this error. I am considering adding logging messages to the parsoid.js code because curl -L http:pageurl works locally. The logging is to understand "Cannot GET /hub/Main_Page" when returned by http://52.26.103.139:8142/hub/Main_Page ... I think pa
[18:11:27] <hypergrove>	 rsoidConfig.setInterwiki( 'hub','http://localhost:8191/api.php' ); should provide parsoid all it needs to work
[18:12:20] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase, 7RESTBase-API: RFC: API for retrieval and saving of top-level HTML elements / sections by element ID - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94890#1405687 (10Pchelolo) a:3Pchelolo
[18:12:35] <hypergrove>	 anything I should check first before laborious logging? (or advice about what file to place them into?)
[18:16:27] <MatmaRex>	 ferdbold: yeah, 'wikipage.content' i think
[18:17:13] <MatmaRex>	 (it's also fired on document ready, so you can use it instead of $().ready() etc.)
[18:18:41] <hypergrove>	 this 1.25.1 wiki has current VE/ULS code tho parsoid code is a month old -- problem there?
[18:19:20] <ferdbold>	 MatmaRex: Okay good, I'll try that and see how it goes
[18:34:39] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: "This is a breaking change and *really* should have been flagged as such. Reverting." [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/216531 (owner: 10Paladox)
[18:34:50] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jforrester: Revert "Update jQuery Client to v2.0.0" [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221166 
[18:34:58] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] Revert "Update jQuery Client to v2.0.0" [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221166 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[18:36:08] <Krenair>	 James_F, where were you expecting it to be "flagged"?
[18:36:37] <James_F>	 Krenair: In the commit title, and with a paired [PULL THROUGH] which fixes for VE-MW.
[18:36:48] <James_F>	 Krenair: As normal.
[18:37:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Revert "Update jQuery Client to v2.0.0" [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221166 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[19:01:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: Specify 'associatedWindows' for link and citation tools [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221169 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98845) 
[19:01:39] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: Synchronize toolbar buttons state with state of their opened windows [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221170 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98845) 
[19:02:24] <James_F>	 MatmaRex: Neat.
[19:02:40] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Paladox: Revert "Revert "Update jQuery Client to v2.0.0"" [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221171 
[19:02:43] <MatmaRex>	 James_F: i was thinking it might be a little overkill, but i mostly like it
[19:03:41] <MatmaRex>	 the VE-MW link tool can open one of two windows, which makes it slightly unpleasant, but meh
[19:04:02] <James_F>	 Yeah.
[19:04:26] <James_F>	 Same with e.g. transclusions (we just do it differently).
[19:21:21] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10WikiEditor, 6WMF-Design-Research, 7Easy, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Tooltip text on the "Edit" and "Edit Source" tabs should be more helpful to new users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99271#1405840 (10aripstra)
[19:24:27] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Links, 5Patch-For-Review, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Link button remains depressed after canceling out of link inspector in insertion mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98845#1405849 (10matmarex) (@gerritbot neglected to link https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2211...
[19:26:05] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Links, 5Patch-For-Review, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Link button remains depressed after canceling out of link inspector in insertion mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98845#1405851 (10Jdforrester-WMF) a:3matmarex
[20:10:22] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Paladox: Revert "Revert "Update jQuery Client to v2.0.0"" [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221171 
[20:23:07] <hypergrove>	 hi - getting an error you've not seen before
[20:24:23] <hypergrove>	 http://52.26.103.139:8191/Main_Page?veaction=edit yields "Error loading data from server: HTTP 200. Would you like to retry?" ... the parsoid log says: "Error loading data from server: HTTP 200. Would you like to retry?"
[20:24:57] <hypergrove>	 http://52.26.103.139:8191/Main_Page?veaction=edit yields "Error loading data from server: HTTP 200. Would you like to retry?" ... the parsoid log says: [info][hub/Main_Page?oldid=80] completed parsing in 171 ms
[20:26:16] <Krenair>	 try asking -parsoid?
[20:26:32] <hypergrove>	 mw-parsoid: <+arlolra> "you may want to ask in #mediawiki-visualeditor now that parsoid seems to be doing its thing"
[20:29:09] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jforrester: IME tests: Add OS X native Japanese Hiragana & Katakana [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221278 
[20:29:41] <[1]hypergrove>	 the wiki is mw 1.25.1 with current VE/ULS code
[20:30:04] <[1]hypergrove>	 the parsoid code is maybe a month old
[20:30:23] <[1]hypergrove>	 parsoid folks see a packaging error with ubuntu 14.04 systems
[20:31:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] IME tests: Add OS X native Japanese Hiragana & Katakana [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221278 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[20:32:58] <hypergrove>	 mw..org instructions seem to need some work as upstart is involved.... the hack introduced for testing is to move my /etc/mediawiki/parsoid/settings.js into /usr/lib/parsoid/src/api/localsettings.js
[20:33:54] <hypergrove>	 because otherwise /etc/mediawiki/parsoid/settings.js is ignored on Ub 14.04
[20:34:45] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jforrester: Follow-up 0886bf1: Re-fix the build by adding the new 'cjy-hant' language [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221281 
[20:37:04] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Jforrester: IME tests: Add OS X native Japanese Hiragana & Katakana [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221278 
[20:37:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: "PS2 is a rebase onto the fix-up of master." [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221278 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[20:41:32] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Alex Monk: [C: 032] Follow-up 0886bf1: Re-fix the build by adding the new 'cjy-hant' language [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221281 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[20:41:38] <James_F>	 Thanks, Krenair.
[20:41:45] <James_F>	 (Gnargh l10n-bot.0
[20:42:22] <Krenair>	 I've been looking at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T51904
[20:42:56] <Krenair>	 Haven't got it to substitute anything yet :/
[20:42:57] * James_F nods.
[20:43:01] <James_F>	 Boo.
[20:43:22] <Krenair>	 The template I was testing against had a comment that made FocusableNode freak out
[20:43:39] <James_F>	 Because it became multiple nodes
[20:43:40] <James_F>	 ?
[20:43:46] <James_F>	 Or because it became a comment?
[20:43:49] <James_F>	 Or something else?
[20:43:49] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Follow-up 0886bf1: Re-fix the build by adding the new 'cjy-hant' language [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221281 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[20:43:52] <Krenair>	 Because it was a comment, I think
[20:44:27] <James_F>	 Do we not support CE comments? I guess we convert some DM comments to CE nodes…
[20:45:46] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile, 6WMF-Design, 7Epic, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Agree a new overall design for VisualEditor on mobile phone-sized devices - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93325#1406039 (10Nirzar) @esanders here is the next iteration of mobile VE  It takes the b...
[20:46:23] <Krenair>	 I'm not sure.
[21:18:29] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Citation tool in VE does not clearly indicate what it does (and what "DOI" is) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95130#1406112 (10Nirzar) @Mvolz this task is created 3 months ago (last comment is on April 24th). citation tool has undergone a redesign after that which addresses most...
[21:20:39] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Citation tool in VE does not clearly indicate what it does (and what "DOI" is) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95130#1406128 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved
[21:26:53] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jforrester: Update VE core submodule to master (1908c66) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221293 
[21:37:22] <mooeypoo>	 James_F, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104027
[21:37:26] <mooeypoo>	 thanks for the help on that
[21:39:48] <hypergrove>	 http://52.26.103.139:8191/Main_Page?veaction=edit yields "Error loading data from server: HTTP 200. Would you like to retry?" ... the parsoid log says: [info][hub/Main_Page?oldid=80] completed parsing in 171 ms.... The visualeditor issue is that code 200 is the 'success' code from parsoid - so why the error?
[21:44:49] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Divec: EventLogger: fix output duplication and add jshint format flag [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221296 
[21:45:15] <gwicke>	 James_F: are you guys aware that a line break inside a table isn't really serialized as a new paragraph when saved?
[21:45:27] <gwicke>	 (or a <br/> for that matter)
[21:45:52] <gwicke>	 just encountered that at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2015-16_Q1_Goals
[21:50:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] EventLogger: fix output duplication and add jshint format flag [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221296 (owner: 10Divec)
[21:53:14] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: EventLogger: fix output duplication and add jshint format flag [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221296 (owner: 10Divec)
[22:14:17] <gwicke>	 Krenair: have you seen that newline issue before?
[22:14:38] <Krenair>	 I don't think so?
[22:14:53] <gwicke>	 okay, let me file a bug then
[22:20:48] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Newlines after bolded text in tables lost on save - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104032#1406233 (10GWicke) 3NEW
[22:21:06] <gwicke>	 Krenair: ^^
[22:22:30] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid: Enable Citoid in nowiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103878#1406250 (10jeblad) I did not notice it was already enabled! The first template is adapted, but we only get a modest number of imported values. Is there some doc that describes the overall process, and especially which kind of values we...
[22:45:33] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10Parsoid: Support "substituting" templates in transclusion dialog - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T51904#1406296 (10Krenair) I'm not sure the parsoid API from T73161 is quite what we were looking for. The idea had been to allow the user to mark a template to...
[22:53:48] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10Parsoid: Support "substituting" templates in transclusion dialog - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T51904#1406317 (10ssastry) >>! In T51904#1406296, @Krenair wrote: > I'm not sure the parsoid API from T73161 is quite what we were looking for. The idea had been...
[22:57:17] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10Parsoid: Support "substituting" templates in transclusion dialog - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T51904#1406328 (10ssastry) But yes, you would have to substitute transclusions immediately, rather than "on-save" as with the wikitext PST mode of operation.
[23:00:20] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid: Enable Citoid in nowiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103878#1406337 (10Jdforrester-WMF) There are some instructions at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Citoid#Configure_Citoid_on_a_Citoid-enabled_wiki but they're not great.
[23:02:32] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10Parsoid: Support "substituting" templates in transclusion dialog - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T51904#1406342 (10Krenair) Substituting things directly on the client? That sounds like we'd run into more issues involving unbalanced html fragments?
[23:09:19] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10Parsoid: Support "substituting" templates in transclusion dialog - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T51904#1406345 (10ssastry) >>! In T51904#1406342, @Krenair wrote: > Substituting things directly on the client? That sounds like we'd run into more issues involv...
[23:14:15] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10Parsoid: Support "substituting" templates in transclusion dialog - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T51904#1406351 (10ssastry) If I have misunderstood this feature and how it would work inside VE, then we should talk more on IRC sometime to get clarity about ho...
[23:47:55] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid: Enable Citoid in nowiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103878#1406381 (10jeblad) yes, I did notice that page.  I want    # A pointer to a page that describes the available templates and fields (I guess it is [[ http://gsl-nagoya-u.net/http/pub/csl-fields/index.html | CSL/Zotero Metadata Field Ind...
[23:52:34] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Divec: Fix imetests to have compliant code style [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221315