[05:47:48] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase, 7RESTBase-API: RFC: API for retrieval and saving of top-level HTML elements / sections by element ID - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94890#1408922 (10GWicke) @mobrovac also implemented a wikitext save end point internally. The main m...
[06:53:59] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10Parsoid: Support "substituting" templates in transclusion dialog - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T51904#1408967 (10marcoil) >>! In T51904#1406296, @Krenair wrote: > I'm not sure the parsoid API from T73161 is quite what we were looking for. The idea had been...
[08:20:39] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Link colour changes based on length of link (interproject) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104168#1409001 (10Lokal_Profil) 3NEW
[08:47:11] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Link colour changes based on length of link (interproject) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104168#1409045 (10Lokal_Profil) This definitly does not only depend on length since longer links to e.g. w:sv:... remain blue although substantially longer.
[08:48:34] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Link colour changes based on length of link (interproject) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104168#1409046 (10Lokal_Profil)
[09:26:11] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10RESTBase, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers: RESTbase should return a 404 for a page that's been deleted - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100031#1409086 (10mobrovac) >>! In T100031#1405621, @Pchelolo wrote: > PR for update job part: https://github.com/wikimed...
[10:04:38] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid: Add COinS scraping to html-metadata - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104174#1409154 (10Mvolz) 3NEW a:3Mvolz
[10:05:31] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid: Add crossref metadata request to lib/Scraper.js - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103238#1409162 (10Mvolz)
[10:05:38] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid: Add COinS scraping to html-metadata - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104174#1409164 (10Mvolz)
[10:05:39] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid: Add crossref metadata request to lib/Scraper.js - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103238#1385256 (10Mvolz)
[10:27:38] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10RESTBase, 5Patch-For-Review, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers: RESTbase should return a 404 for a page that's been deleted - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100031#1409215 (10Pchelolo) Created a gerri review for php extension change: https://gerrit.wikimedi...
[11:02:11] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References: Text in reference inspectors cannot be selected - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104184#1409331 (10TTO) 3NEW
[11:04:43] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References: Right-clicking on the reference inspector offers to search Google for "☢" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104185#1409343 (10TTO) 3NEW
[13:17:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Esanders: Update paste target selection hack to use focusedNode text when possible [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221613 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104185) 
[13:39:32] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Esanders: Set default context cursor to 'default' [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221617 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104184) 
[13:46:13] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Community-Liaison, 10Wikimania-Hackathon-2015, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: VisualEditor translathon at Wikimania Mexico - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91108#1409700 (10Elitre) I have now booked the [[ https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Programme%2FThursday&t...
[13:53:25] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Labs: Investigate and potentially move off NFS in the 'visualeditor' project - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102688#1409716 (10yuvipanda) 5Open>3Resolved Gwicke rescued the files he needed onto parsoid-spof, and the rest have been unmounted now. I also fixed puppet in the towtruck ins...
[15:00:23] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Community-Liaison, 10Wikimania-Hackathon-2015, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: VisualEditor translathon at Wikimania Mexico - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91108#1409816 (10Elitre) Main audience for the translathon: communities of Wikipedias in Phase 5, 6 and 7 at https://www.media...
[15:22:32] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Esanders: Add #hasContent method to ElementLinearData [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221640 
[15:22:34] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Esanders: Add placeholder functionality to the surface [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221641 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96593) 
[15:37:49] <wikibugs>	 10MediaWiki-extensions-Graph-VE, 10VisualEditor, 10Graph, 10Parsoid, and 2 others: Graph editing in VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89287#1409900 (10Mvolz)
[16:50:25] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase, 7RESTBase-API: RFC: API for retrieval and saving of top-level HTML elements / sections by element ID - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94890#1410095 (10Pchelolo) Created a PR for html->wikitext translation with sections: https://github...
[17:29:13] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Divec: [C: 032] "Fab" [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221278 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[17:31:28] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: IME tests: Add OS X native Japanese Hiragana & Katakana [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221278 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[17:45:25] <Krenair>	 James_F, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101130 - it's not immediately clear to me where it should actually appear?
[17:45:34] <Krenair>	 I don't think we want that on the main toolbar?
[17:46:03] <Krenair>	 maybe as a Manual option under Cite...
[17:46:40] <James_F>	 Krenair: I meant "it shouldn't appear at all".
[17:46:50] <Krenair>	 oh, okay.
[17:47:33] <James_F>	 Krenair: Sorry.
[17:47:33] <Krenair>	 Oh right, there is a 'Basic form' under Cite -> Manual.
[17:47:37] <James_F>	 Yeah.
[17:47:37] <Krenair>	 Okay.
[18:00:25] <Krenair>	 	// HACK: Replace the 'Basic' tool title now that it lives in the 'insert' toolgroup
[18:00:25] <Krenair>	 	ve.ui.MWReferenceDialogTool.static.title = OO.ui.deferMsg( 'citoid-dialogbutton-reference-full-tooltip' );
[18:00:54] <James_F>	 Yeah, Ed changed the label and Trevor merged even though I asked for it just to be removed.
[18:01:04] * James_F grumbles.
[18:14:29] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Collaboration-Team, 10Flow: Explore ideas for collaborative contribution - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103081#1410835 (10Mattflaschen)
[18:18:33] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] Add #hasContent method to ElementLinearData [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221640 (owner: 10Esanders)
[18:20:51] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Add #hasContent method to ElementLinearData [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221640 (owner: 10Esanders)
[18:23:59] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: Show <newarticletext> as a placeholder, rather than an edit notice, for VE users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104227#1410885 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 3NEW
[18:24:05] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 5Patch-For-Review: Be able to set placeholder text (generic content?) on an empty CE surface - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96593#1410893 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[18:24:08] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: Show <newarticletext> as a placeholder, rather than an edit notice, for VE users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104227#1410892 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[18:25:39] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 10Parsoid: Copy-and-pasting a reference between VE surfaces causes a Parsoid 500 error. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104230#1410912 (10Neil_P._Quinn_WMF) 3NEW
[18:28:56] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10SyntaxHighlight: Support SyntaxHighlight "inline" elements in VisualEditor inspector - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103963#1410924 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Low
[18:32:02] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 7Browser-Support-Firefox, 5Patch-For-Review, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: Right-clicking on the reference inspector offers to search Google for "☢" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104185#1410935 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Normal a:3...
[18:34:08] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 10Parsoid: Copy-and-pasting a reference between VE surfaces causes a Parsoid 500 error. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104230#1410946 (10dchan) It breaks as described above in Firefox. On Chromium, the formatting looks odd (the pasted reference being...
[18:34:21] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: w: based interwiki links are shown as red after being made in VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89724#1410947 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5stalled>3Resolved a:3Jdforrester-WMF Marking as resolved. Please re-open if needed.
[18:38:26] <Krenair>	 James_F, I think it's just a case of marking MWReferenceDialogTool as autoAddToGroup = false/autoAddToCatchall = false and removing the hack in citoid? hmm
[18:38:44] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 10Parsoid, 7Browser-Support-Firefox: Copy-and-pasting a reference between VE surfaces in Firefox causes a Parsoid 500 error. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104230#1410957 (10Neil_P._Quinn_WMF)
[18:38:47] <James_F>	 Krenair: Sounds likely.
[18:42:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Alex Monk: Don't add basic reference tool to catch-all [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221677 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101130) 
[18:43:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Alex Monk: Revert "Rename basic reference tool after moving to 'insert' menu" [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221678 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101130) 
[18:45:20] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 10Parsoid: Copy-and-pasting a reference between VE surfaces causes a Parsoid 500 error. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104230#1410978 (10Neil_P._Quinn_WMF)
[18:47:58] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Link colour changes based on length of link (interproject) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104168#1410987 (10Jdforrester-WMF) It probably just got mis-cached as a non-existent link?
[18:51:23] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Links: [Regression pre-wmf12] Link inspector won't close on escape/cancel/done, remains zombied - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104231#1410990 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 3NEW a:3Esanders
[18:53:30] <James_F>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104231 is pretty bad.
[18:54:23] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Links: Pasting a link target into the link editor doesn't open the suggestions list - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98566#1411009 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[18:56:12] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: Cross-wiki links look different in read mode and edit mode, instead looking like external links when viewed in edit mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103636#1411022 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Normal
[18:56:18] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: VisualEditor presents existing interwiki link as external link, indistinguishable from http link - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103920#1411024 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[18:56:47] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] Set default context cursor to 'default' [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221617 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104184) (owner: 10Esanders)
[18:57:11] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 5Patch-For-Review, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-06-30_(1.26wmf12): Text in reference inspectors cannot be selected - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104184#1411035 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Normal a:3Esanders
[18:57:17] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 5Patch-For-Review, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-06-30_(1.26wmf12): Text in reference inspectors cannot be selected - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104184#1409331 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[18:58:05] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: toolbars are not usable while typing parameter values in the VisualEditor template editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103467#1411048 (10Jdforrester-WMF) Not plain text. Wikitext.
[18:58:31] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: toolbars are not usable while typing parameter values in the VisualEditor template editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103467#1411057 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[18:58:34] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools: VisualEditor: Add support for editing templates' parameters as DOM elements, including supporting nested templates - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T52355#1411058 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[18:59:01] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Set default context cursor to 'default' [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221617 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104184) (owner: 10Esanders)
[18:59:14] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Measure and document results of changes to VE team processes - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103197#1411068 (10Jdforrester-WMF) a:3JAufrecht
[18:59:54] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: A user of VisualEditor once deleted a translate marker - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103463#1411073 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Invalid
[19:01:37] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: VisualEditor: Insert Media does not work with restricted read permissions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103105#1411094 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Lowest
[19:02:50] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10MediaWiki-extensions-FlaggedRevs: Dialogs about FlaggedRevs are above the fold while editing in VE - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101755#1411105 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Low
[19:03:56] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Templates, 7Epic: Content of templates not found by VisualEditor's Search - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103286#1411109 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Lowest
[19:06:12] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 7Design: Be able to use the auto-cite tool to insert cite templates as content, outwith a reference - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103277#1411130 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Lowest
[19:08:20] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10MediaWiki-extensions-TimedMediaHandler, 6Multimedia: Show nicer previews of timed media inside VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104237#1411153 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 3NEW
[19:08:30] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10MediaWiki-extensions-TimedMediaHandler, 6Multimedia, 7Epic: Show nicer previews of timed media inside VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104237#1411160 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[19:08:46] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Media: Image for Audio Clip Resizes - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91574#1411162 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[19:08:47] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10MediaWiki-extensions-TimedMediaHandler, 6Multimedia, 7Epic: Show nicer previews of timed media inside VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104237#1411153 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[19:09:03] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10MediaWiki-extensions-TimedMediaHandler, 6Multimedia, 7Epic: Show nicer previews of timed media inside VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104237#1411153 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[19:09:06] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10MediaWiki-extensions-MultimediaViewer, 6Multimedia: Preview video while editing with VE - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103096#1411164 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[19:10:30] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 3Reading-Web: Mobile editor switcher styling regression - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91283#1411178 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[19:11:29] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 3Reading-Web, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Mobile editor switcher styling regression - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91283#1078925 (10Jdforrester-WMF) Looks to now be fixed?  {F185272}
[19:11:39] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 3Reading-Web, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Mobile editor switcher styling regression - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91283#1411186 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Nirzar
[19:37:50] <wikibugs>	 10Cite, 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, and 3 others: Basic reference shouldn't appear in catch-all group - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101130#1411331 (10Krenair) a:3Krenair
[19:54:58] <hypergrove>	 hello, I have 1.25 and am trying to get ve to work. Parsoid is running great (see http://52.26.103.139:8142/hub/Main_Page?oldid=80) but I am getting the strange (to me) message "Error loading data from server: HTTP 200. Would you like to retry?"
[19:56:36] <hypergrove>	 https://dpaste.de/cOvk shows my settings.js and relevant settings from localsettings.php
[19:58:03] <Krenair>	 did you look at your network tab?
[19:58:12] <Krenair>	 http://52.26.103.139:8191/api.php?action=visualeditor&format=json&paction=parse&page=Main_Page&uselang=en-gb returns a PHP error
[19:58:17] <Krenair>	 Fatal error: Class 'HACLMemcache' not found in /var/www/core-251/includes/Title.php on line 1203
[20:03:24] <hypergrove>	 ok i hear ya - that comes up now since I needed to disable haloacl to get that message I quoted. I will get rid of that error now so we can continue on this problem, thanks - i needed a url that breaks things like this -- so the message only once before
[20:03:41] <hypergrove>	 saw the message
[20:04:03] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Handle RESTbase load failures more gracefully with a message to the user explaining "the editing server didn't respond" or similar - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97041#1411402 (10Krenair) a:3Krenair Seems simple enough
[20:13:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Alex Monk: Error when restbase call fails [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221748 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97041) 
[20:15:56] <Krenair>	 hypergrove, http://52.26.103.139:8191/api.php?action=visualeditor&format=json&paction=parse&page=Main_Page&uselang=en-gb gives writeapidenied
[20:16:04] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Error when restbase call fails [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221748 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97041) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[20:17:12] <hypergrove>	 Krenair, thank you -- i have fixed that error you mentioned
[20:19:38] <Krenair>	 hypergrove, http://52.26.103.139:8191/Main_Page?useskin=vector&veaction=edit works for me now
[20:21:39] <hypergrove>	 hoooooray
[20:21:53] <hypergrove>	 thank you for your magic touch Krenair\
[20:22:25] <hypergrove>	 now i will ractivate haloacl
[20:23:09] <Krenair>	 I didn't do much, but you're welcome
[20:23:22] <hypergrove>	 am getting Error loading data from server: writeapidenied: You're not allowed to edit this wiki through the API. Would you like to retry?
[20:23:39] <hypergrove>	 that is false - checked globals myself
[20:23:39] <Krenair>	 did you disable the writeapi option?
[20:24:03] <Krenair>	 wgEnableWriteAPI?
[20:24:16] <hypergrove>	 doing grep on haloacl
[20:25:31] <Krenair>	 so this is only broken when you turn on 'haloacl'?
[20:25:44] <hypergrove>	 correct
[20:26:05] <hypergrove>	 the global is not being set in that extension
[20:26:15] <hypergrove>	 not being referenced
[20:26:57] <hypergrove>	 not sure where to look for problem now
[20:27:06] <Krenair>	 I can't help you with that, sorry
[20:27:39] <hypergrove>	 any hint for me plz
[20:34:23] <hypergrove>	 visualeditor-loadwarning is referenced in two places in /var/www/extensions/VisualEditor-1.25/modules/ve-mw/init/targets/ve.init.mw.ViewPageTarget.js
[20:38:08] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10WikiEditor, 10UI-Standardization, 7Design: Use consistent icons for same/similar functions between editors - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91467#1411506 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Low
[20:38:40] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jforrester: Make texts of edit tabs' tooltips more helpful to new users [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221752 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99271) 
[20:38:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Make texts of edit tabs' tooltips more helpful to new users [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221752 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99271) (owner: 10Jforrester)
[20:39:47] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Jforrester: Make texts of edit tabs' tooltips more helpful to new users [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221752 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99271) 
[20:39:54] <hypergrove>	 Does the writeapi have a specific port ? wondering if permissions issue
[20:41:46] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 7Design, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: [Usability] Convert the pop-over suggestions list to be an embedded search widget in the link inspector - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101169#1411515 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[20:44:23] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: Error when restbase call fails (031 comment) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221748 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97041) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[20:54:23] <Krinkle>	 hypergrove: define writeapi
[20:54:28] <Krinkle>	 What do you mean?
[20:58:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Add placeholder functionality to the surface [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221641 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96593) (owner: 10Esanders)
[20:59:29] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: Show <newarticletext> as a placeholder, rather than an edit notice, for VE users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104227#1411582 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[20:59:31] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 6Collaboration-Team, 10Flow: Flow summary input area should have a placeholder in VE mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103978#1411583 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[20:59:33] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-06-30_(1.26wmf12): Be able to set placeholder text (generic content?) on an empty CE surface - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96593#1411578 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Esanders
[20:59:39] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-06-30_(1.26wmf12): Be able to set placeholder text (generic content?) on an empty CE surface - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96593#1221523 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[20:59:54] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: Show <newarticletext> as a placeholder, rather than an edit notice, for VE users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104227#1410885 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[21:00:11] <hypergrove>	 Krinkle, i suppose my writeapidenied error (occurring at ve.init.mw.ViewPageTarget.prototype.onLoadError) has no kind of permissions or port that is used in that process?
[21:00:34] <Krinkle>	 hypergrove: writeapidenied would indicate the current user is not allowed to use the MediaWiki api.php
[21:00:43] <Krinkle>	 e.g. the user right 'writeapi'
[21:00:52] <hypergrove>	 well i have checked the glogbals and it is TRUE
[21:01:04] <Krinkle>	 hypergrove: Check Special:UserGroupRights
[21:01:04] <hypergrove>	 user right
[21:01:12] <hypergrove>	 thanks
[21:01:20] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Add placeholder functionality to the surface [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221641 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96593) (owner: 10Esanders)
[21:02:12] <hypergrove>	 ah ok only translators and bots have that right
[21:02:42] <hypergrove>	 didnt know about that right - just checking globals....
[21:06:40] <Krinkle>	 Enabled by default even for readers.
[21:06:56] <Krinkle>	 Unless you specifially have a reason not to, it should be rare for any wiki to change that for any user group
[21:07:05] <Krinkle>	 note that it is separate from 'edit' and 'create' and all those rights
[21:07:20] <Krinkle>	 it just means whether they can use the API in addition to the visual interface for those actions
[21:08:32] <Krinkle>	 disabling it means any ajax actions for 'watch', and things like live preview and VE will not work. It's an old separation from the days where writeapi was mostly analogous with experimental bots
[21:11:38] <hypergrove>	 it is not disabled anywhere and is enabled per special: for bots and translators. I inserted $wgGroupPermissions['user']['writeapi'] = true; but no change
[21:12:36] <hypergrove>	 looking further....
[21:13:41] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jforrester: [WIP] Alter welcome text to be welcoming [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99963) 
[21:14:49] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] Don't add basic reference tool to catch-all [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221677 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101130) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[21:14:52] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] Revert "Rename basic reference tool after moving to 'insert' menu" [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221678 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101130) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[21:15:13] <wikibugs>	 10Cite, 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, and 2 others: Basic reference shouldn't appear in catch-all group - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101130#1411646 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved
[21:16:00] <hypergrove>	 i am convinced it's a haloacl issue. thank you! I will work that.... regards/john
[21:16:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] [WIP] Alter welcome text to be welcoming [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99963) (owner: 10Jforrester)
[21:17:00] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10RESTBase: VisualEditor saves <script> tag? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104253#1411653 (10He7d3r) 3NEW
[21:17:08] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Don't add basic reference tool to catch-all [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221677 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101130) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[21:17:10] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Revert "Rename basic reference tool after moving to 'insert' menu" [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221678 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101130) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[21:17:27] <Krenair>	 James_F, so... we're overriding a core message (tooltip-ca-edit) in VE?
[21:17:48] <James_F>	 Krenair: Again. I've also got a patch in core to make the core message better, per design.
[21:18:03] <James_F>	 Krenair: But making it talk about 'via wikitext' when there isn't an alternative in core feels icky.
[21:18:26] <Krenair>	 I think it's probably OK, if a bit hacky
[21:18:36] <Krenair>	 do we do this in other places?
[21:19:06] <James_F>	 Krenair: I think so, but can't remember where.
[21:19:23] <Krenair>	 If we do, I'll +2 this. If not... I'll wait to see what Siebrand has to say
[21:20:17] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 7Design, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: Increase width of inspectors on desktop - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101290#1411672 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[21:20:59] <James_F>	 Krenair: Want to +1 and I'll bully Roan into +2ing? ;-)
[21:21:30] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Alex Monk: [C: 031] "Overriding a core message in an extension like this... Siebrand, do you think this is OK, or is there a better way?" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221752 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99271) (owner: 10Jforrester)
[21:23:21] <James_F>	 Krenair: Thanks.
[21:24:14] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Citoid should omit ISSN if value from loc.gov is invalid (e.g. "None") - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103478#1411681 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Low
[21:24:22] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Collaboration-Team, 10Flow, 5Patch-For-Review: VisualEditor's debug bar is behind the toolbar in Flow, making it unreachable/unclickable - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103712#1411682 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Lowest
[21:26:34] <hypergrove>	 Kr
[21:27:02] <hypergrove>	 Krenair, thank you, i fixed the default permissions problem for writeapi in HaloACL and all is well. thanks agaain
[21:27:32] <hypergrove>	 is there a group that deals with varnish+mediawiki issues?
[21:28:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] Update paste target selection hack to use focusedNode text when possible [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221613 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104185) (owner: 10Esanders)
[21:28:23] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-06-30_(1.26wmf12): Text in reference inspectors cannot be selected - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104184#1411697 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved
[21:28:49] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 7Browser-Support-Firefox, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Right-clicking on the reference inspector offers to search Google for "☢" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104185#1411699 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved
[21:30:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update paste target selection hack to use focusedNode text when possible [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221613 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104185) (owner: 10Esanders)
[21:43:50] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Jforrester: Update VE core submodule to master (5268def) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221293 
[21:44:22] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 7Browser-Support-Firefox, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-06-30_(1.26wmf12): Right-clicking on the reference inspector offers to search Google for "☢" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104185#1411741 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[21:46:41] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10WikiEditor, 6WMF-Design-Research, 7Easy, and 2 others: Tooltip text on the "Edit" and "Edit Source" tabs should be more helpful to new users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99271#1411746 (10Jdforrester-WMF) a:5Nirzar>3Jdforrester-WMF
[21:46:58] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile, 7Design, 7Epic, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Agree a new overall design for VisualEditor on mobile phone-sized devices - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93325#1411747 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[21:53:21] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6WMF-Design-Research: VE Readiness / New Editors Experience (VE and WTE) {Horse} - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96995#1411786 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[21:54:29] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 7Design, 7Epic, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: VisualEditor: Where VisualEditor is the primary editor, redlinks in read mode should open VE (not wikitext editor) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55441#1411791 (10Tgr) >>! In T55441#1408724, @Solstag wrote:...
[21:59:50] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 6Collaboration-Team, 10Collaboration-Team-Sprint-D-2015-06-30, and 2 others: Flow summary input area should have a placeholder in VE mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103978#1411817 (10Catrope) a:3Catrope
[22:00:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Divec: Strong directionality support [unicodejs] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221323 
[22:10:17] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Design Research Backlog, 7Design, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: Emphasize VE's save button by animating the progress bar attached to the bottom of the toolbar - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99274#1411872 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[22:10:25] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 7Design: [Usability] highlight the area which will get affected by paragraph formatting - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98718#1411874 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[22:32:28] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 6WMF-Design, 7Design, 5Patch-For-Review: Create dedicated input methods for transclusion parameters (using "Param#type" from TemplateData) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55613#1411942 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[22:32:35] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 7Design, 5Patch-For-Review: Create dedicated input methods for transclusion parameters (using "Param#type" from TemplateData) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55613#584857 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[22:58:12] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Trevor Parscal: [C: 032] Synchronize toolbar buttons state with state of their opened windows [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221170 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98845) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[22:58:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Trevor Parscal: [C: 031] "+2 with pull through" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221169 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98845) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[22:59:27] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Trevor Parscal: [C: 032] Update VE core submodule to master (5268def) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221293 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[23:00:35] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Synchronize toolbar buttons state with state of their opened windows [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221170 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98845) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[23:01:45] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update VE core submodule to master (5268def) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221293 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[23:05:58] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: A user of VisualEditor once deleted a translate marker - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103463#1412077 (10jayvdb) So a bug is invalid if it has only been seen once? Are you aware of a fix that prevents it reoccurring?
[23:10:04] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: A user of VisualEditor once deleted a translate marker - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103463#1412087 (10jayvdb) Ah, I see translate tags and markers are handled very badly in VE. I guess there are existing bugs raised about that.
[23:11:20] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: A user of VisualEditor once deleted a translate marker - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103463#1412096 (10Jdforrester-WMF) >>! In T103463#1412087, @jayvdb wrote: > Ah, I see translate tags and markers are handled very badly in VE. I guess there are existing bugs raised about that.  Several, a...
[23:19:01] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 10Parsoid: Copy-and-pasting a reference between VE surfaces causes a Parsoid 500 error. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104230#1410912 (10dchan) I don't notice anything blatantly weird in the paste buffer. Ed?
[23:25:51] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jforrester: Update VE core submodule to master (c23e446) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221791 
[23:26:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Divec: Strong directionality support [unicodejs] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221323 
[23:26:45] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Jforrester: Specify 'associatedWindows' for link and citation tools [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221169 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98845) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[23:27:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] "Per Trevor." [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221169 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98845) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[23:27:32] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Links, 3VisualEditor 2014/15 Q4 blockers: Link button remains depressed after canceling out of link inspector in insertion mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98845#1412178 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved
[23:27:40] <James_F>	 RoanKattouw: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/221791/1 please. :-)
[23:31:43] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Update VE core submodule to master (c23e446) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221791 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[23:34:15] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update VE core submodule to master (c23e446) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221791 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[23:34:43] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Specify 'associatedWindows' for link and citation tools [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221169 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98845) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[23:51:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Catrope: Follow-up 8112c3ba30: fix JS error on link inspector teardown [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221798 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103176) 
[23:53:50] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Catrope: Follow-up 8112c3ba30: fix JS error on link inspector teardown [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221798 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103176) 
[23:54:25] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Links, 5Patch-For-Review: [Regression pre-wmf12] Link inspector won't close on escape/cancel/done, remains zombied - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104231#1412285 (10Catrope) a:5Esanders>3Catrope
[23:59:19] <James_F>	 Krenair: If you have a second to review https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/221798/ it'd be smashing.