[00:39:41] 10VisualEditor, 10MediaWiki-extensions-UniversalLanguageSelector, 5Patch-For-Review: Move jQuery.i18n module to core - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95666#1432615 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Normal a:3Jdforrester-WMF [00:55:43] (03PS1) 10Jforrester: Update VE core submodule to master (e628ef0) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/223214 [01:13:26] (03CR) 10Ricordisamoa: [C: 04-1] "It is already known as VisualEditor on most wikis: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q11168190#sitelinks-wikipedia" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/223070 (owner: 10Jforrester) [01:18:31] (03CR) 10Jforrester: "> It is already known as VisualEditor on most wikis: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q11168190#sitelinks-wikipedia" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/223070 (owner: 10Jforrester) [01:35:15] (03PS1) 10Jforrester: Load the jquery.i18n library from MediaWiki, not lib/ve [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/223217 [01:36:13] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Load the jquery.i18n library from MediaWiki, not lib/ve [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/223217 (owner: 10Jforrester) [01:41:31] (03CR) 10Ricordisamoa: "> If you'd read the diff you'd trivially see I'm not changing that string. :-)" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/223070 (owner: 10Jforrester) [01:44:18] (03CR) 10Jforrester: "> the name it's known with." [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/223070 (owner: 10Jforrester) [01:46:55] (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 04-1] "Depends on Ib29811c5 in core." [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/223217 (owner: 10Jforrester) [02:03:15] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Templates, 10Parsoid: Ref generating templates show reflists when edited - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101553#1432789 (10Arlolra) p:5Triage>3Normal [02:24:15] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Tables, 10Parsoid: Tables render differently in VisualEditor depending upon whether they're inside a complex transclusion - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103128#1432831 (10Arlolra) [02:24:18] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Templates, 10VisualEditor-Tables: Table with some template-generated rows appears with additional jumbled empty table cells - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T70306#1432832 (10Arlolra) [02:30:55] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 5Patch-For-Review, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: nowiki link-like strings that aren't in s - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103364#1432834 (10Arlolra) p:5Triage>3High [02:35:39] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Amire80/single_break_nowiki cannot be edited in VE in Chrome - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104557#1432853 (10Arlolra) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Arlolra This was likely transient errors in RESTBase from last week. All working for me today. [02:37:47] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10Parsoid-Nowiki: nowiki is added when adding spaces after a single line break - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104554#1432864 (10Arlolra) p:5Triage>3Normal [02:37:54] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10Parsoid-Nowiki: nowiki is added when adding spaces after a single line break - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104554#1432866 (10Arlolra) a:3Arlolra [03:32:23] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase: VE converts wikitext to html code - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100427#1432931 (10Arlolra) [03:50:12] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase: VE converts wikitext to html code - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100427#1432941 (10Arlolra) p:5Triage>3High All kinds of dirtying editing past revisions of that page. [04:10:00] (03CR) 10Krinkle: [C: 032] Toolbar: Let's remove a speedup loop... [extensions/WikiEditor] (wmf/1.26wmf12) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/223200 (owner: 10Krinkle) [04:11:04] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Toolbar: Let's remove a speedup loop... [extensions/WikiEditor] (wmf/1.26wmf12) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/223200 (owner: 10Krinkle) [05:44:14] 10Citoid: Citoid not available? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104944#1433018 (10LuisVilla) 3NEW [06:07:11] 10Citoid: Citoid not available? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104944#1433071 (10Mvolz) [06:10:59] 10Citoid: Citoid not available? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104944#1433076 (10Mvolz) Checked everything obvious, (no recent changes to the message it relies on), citoid still showing up on Special:Version, seems to be working on other wikis I tried (pl, fr). I have no idea. https://en.wikipedia.org/w... [06:37:12] 10Citoid: Citoid not available? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104944#1433113 (10Mvolz) Well it's definitely that the message isn't coming through; JSON.parse( mw.message( 'citoid-template-type-map.json' ).plain() ) with VE open in en wiki gives Whereas on fr wiki the mes... [06:37:39] 10Citoid: Citoid not available? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104944#1433115 (10Mvolz) Possibly T93800? :/ [06:44:11] Krenair: in case you are around, ^ :( [09:34:31] 10VisualEditor, 6Labs, 10wikitech.wikimedia.org: Enable VisualEditor on wikitech.wikimedia.org - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104961#1433335 (10hashar) 3NEW [09:48:10] (03CR) 10Esanders: [C: 032] ve.SelectionState: DOM selection snapshot [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/222221 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104517) (owner: 10Divec) [09:50:53] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: ve.SelectionState: DOM selection snapshot [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/222221 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104517) (owner: 10Divec) [10:29:56] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 7Design, 7Epic, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: VisualEditor: Where VisualEditor is the primary editor, redlinks in read mode should open VE (not wikitext editor) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55441#1433506 (10Juandev) >>! In T55441#1327857, @Krenair wr... [10:52:56] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 7Design, 7Epic, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: VisualEditor: Where VisualEditor is the primary editor, redlinks in read mode should open VE (not wikitext editor) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55441#1433562 (10TTO) >>! In T55441#1433506, @Juandev wrote:... [12:12:17] 10VisualEditor: Removing a Project from a task may not be captured in the dump - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104920#1433747 (10Aklapper) I don't see any unexpected behavior in Phabricator described here so reading "Expected results" in the task description, this task is invalid IMHO. `phabricator_maniphe... [12:42:07] hey guys, nobody around for https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104944 ? we also got questions on wiki. [12:50:28] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Citoid not available? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104944#1433771 (10Elitre) [13:06:30] @James_F|Away maybe this issue is related to messaging work you may have done? :) [13:40:39] 10VisualEditor, 6Collaboration-Team, 10Flow, 10Wikimania-Hackathon-2015, 7Epic: Associate non-body content such as annotations and talk to a location in the article - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89575#1433891 (10Qgil) @Mattflaschen are you planning to work on this task at Wikimania? [13:55:42] Elitre, I'm having a look [14:02:46] doesn't appear to be a code problem as it still works in master [14:03:40] and on beta labs, so possible a config issue [14:04:07] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Citoid not available? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104944#1434001 (10Esanders) Working in master on beta labs, so probably a configuration issue [14:04:12] 10VisualEditor, 6Labs, 10wikitech.wikimedia.org: Enable VisualEditor on wikitech.wikimedia.org - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104961#1434003 (10Krenair) 5Open>3Invalid a:3Krenair Yes it does... [14:06:44] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Citoid not available? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104944#1434015 (10Esanders) I did an ?action=purge on the message page and it appears to be coming through now. [14:06:51] Elitre, ^^^ [14:11:37] 10VisualEditor, 6Labs, 10wikitech.wikimedia.org: Enable VisualEditor on wikitech.wikimedia.org - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104961#1434032 (10yuvipanda) Maybe it needs to be turned on for more namespaces? Help: and Nova_resource maybe? [14:17:30] 10Cite: Cite parser tests fail on the Klingon test - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105000#1434068 (10Amire80) 3NEW [14:19:33] edsanders: <3 thank you. [14:21:05] (03PS1) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: Revert "Make toolbar save button frameless" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/223300 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103403) [14:22:39] (03CR) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: "To be merged after next OOUI release/update." [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/223300 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103403) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [14:25:44] edsanders: clear styling works for me from the keyboard shortcut, but is greyed out in the menu? [14:26:13] it is greyed out if the text you selected has no styling applied [14:26:55] although that does appear to be buggy [14:26:56] hmm [14:27:15] well, no, unless an internal link isn't considered styling... want me to file that? [14:27:37] for me it works intermittently - I'll have a look [14:28:15] sure [14:28:38] or is that https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89547? [14:29:29] also https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101212 [14:30:02] probably the same, but a misdiagnosis [14:30:28] 101212 looks different [14:50:27] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 7Browser-Support-Firefox: Pasting into a VE surface in Firefox adds spurious line breaks and nowikis - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104790#1434283 (10matmarex) [14:50:29] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: Incorrect pasting of multi lined plain text - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96006#1434284 (10matmarex) [14:53:25] 10VisualEditor: Clear styling tool disabled/enabled when it should be enabled/disabled - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89547#1434296 (10Esanders) [14:53:30] 10VisualEditor: "Clear styling" seems to work intermittently - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105010#1434297 (10Elitre) 3NEW [14:54:41] 10VisualEditor: "Clear styling" seems to work intermittently - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105010#1434304 (10Elitre) [14:54:43] 10VisualEditor: Clear styling tool disabled/enabled when it should be enabled/disabled - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89547#1434306 (10Elitre) [14:55:21] (03PS1) 10Esanders: Emit context change when any annotations change, not just covered. [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/223307 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89547) [14:55:42] Ed, I found that the way you select the word makes a difference? [14:56:51] yeah - at the moment it only changes the state of the button if the 'covered' annotations change, i.e. an annotation sequence that covers the entire selection [14:59:50] 10VisualEditor, 5Patch-For-Review: Clear styling tool disabled when selection expanded from inside an annotation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89547#1434356 (10Esanders) [15:01:04] 10VisualEditor: Clear styling tool disabled when selection starts in unformatted text - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105013#1434362 (10Esanders) 3NEW [15:01:23] (03PS2) 10Esanders: Emit context change when any annotations change, not just covered. [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/223307 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105013) [15:01:47] 10VisualEditor, 5Patch-For-Review: Clear styling tool disabled when selection starts in unformatted text - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105013#1434376 (10Esanders) Not a duplicate of T89547 [15:02:06] 10VisualEditor, 5Patch-For-Review: Clear styling tool disabled when selection expanded from inside an annotation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89547#1434382 (10Esanders) Above commit wrongly assigned [15:08:22] (was https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105010#1434297 a dupe of your task then? ) [15:13:42] 10VisualEditor, 10Browser-Tests: Update VisualEditor repository to mediawiki_selenium Ruby gem 1.1 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99661#1434437 (10dduvall) p:5High>3Normal [15:15:33] (03PS2) 10Dduvall: WIP QA: Upgrading to mw-selenium 1.x [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/222143 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99661) [15:15:55] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Citoid not available? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104944#1434450 (10LuisVilla) Appears to be back for me now, but it's disturbing that *I* had to be the one to notice/flag it. How is this normally tested after deploy? [15:17:45] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] WIP QA: Upgrading to mw-selenium 1.x [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/222143 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99661) (owner: 10Dduvall) [15:23:05] 10VisualEditor, 6Labs, 10wikitech.wikimedia.org: Enable VisualEditor on wikitech.wikimedia.org - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104961#1434498 (10Krenair) It's already enabled in Help... I think we could add it to Nova_Resource if you'd like to open another ticket for that. [15:41:26] (03CR) 10Florianschmidtwelzow: "@Esanders I'm not sure, but i think no." [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/203011 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95528) (owner: 10Florianschmidtwelzow) [15:44:22] (03PS11) 10Florianschmidtwelzow: Allow skin developers to set an offset for toolbar floating [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/203011 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95528) [15:44:39] (03CR) 10Florianschmidtwelzow: "PS11 is a rebase" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/203011 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95528) (owner: 10Florianschmidtwelzow) [15:50:59] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Citoid not available? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104944#1434689 (10Esanders) This appears to be a cache pollution issue, so may not be tied to the deployment, and wasn't visible in staging where most testing happens. [15:57:20] (03PS1) 10Esanders: Emit change when selection changes from collasped to not [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/223334 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89547) [16:05:29] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Citoid not available? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104944#1434794 (10Mvolz) I don't think this is deploy related; deploys happen on Thursdays, as far as I can tell this issue doesn't pre-date your report of it substantially. And everything was working on beta as well as every... [16:13:42] 10VisualEditor, 6Labs, 10wikitech.wikimedia.org: Enable VisualEditor on wikitech.wikimedia.org - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104961#1434831 (10hashar) 5Invalid>3Open Might be just me, but when I go to https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments I don't have a way to edit with VE, the edit lin... [16:14:18] 10VisualEditor: How to cancel Ω icon? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105032#1434834 (10HistoryStamp) 3NEW [16:24:20] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 7Browser-Support-Firefox: Pasting into a VE surface in Firefox adds spurious line breaks and nowikis - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104790#1434862 (10Neil_P._Quinn_WMF) 5duplicate>3Open [16:24:32] 10VisualEditor, 6Labs, 10wikitech.wikimedia.org: Enable VisualEditor on wikitech.wikimedia.org - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104961#1434866 (10Krenair) Preferences -> Editing -> "Enable VisualEditor. It will be available in the following namespaces: Ops, (Main), User, User, File, Help, Category" I sh... [16:24:36] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 7Browser-Support-Firefox: Pasting into a VE surface in Firefox adds spurious line breaks and nowikis - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104790#1427038 (10Neil_P._Quinn_WMF) [16:24:37] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: Incorrect pasting of multi lined plain text - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96006#1434867 (10Neil_P._Quinn_WMF) [16:25:21] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 7Browser-Support-Firefox: Pasting into a VE surface in Firefox adds spurious line breaks and nowikis - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104790#1427038 (10Neil_P._Quinn_WMF) Reversing direction of the merge since this task is more detailed. [16:26:22] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 7Browser-Support-Firefox, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: Pasting into a VE surface in Firefox adds spurious line breaks and nowikis - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104790#1434886 (10Neil_P._Quinn_WMF) [16:35:07] 10VisualEditor, 6WMF-Design-Research, 7Epic, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: Improve and streamline VisualEditor's user education features - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101481#1434909 (10ggellerman) [16:50:29] 10VisualEditor, 6Labs, 10wikitech.wikimedia.org: Enable VisualEditor on wikitech.wikimedia.org - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104961#1435057 (10hashar) @Krenair thank you very much! it is a well hidden option :-) Maybe on wikitech we can drop that user preference and always enable VE? [16:51:06] 10VisualEditor, 6Labs, 10wikitech.wikimedia.org: Enable VisualEditor on wikitech.wikimedia.org - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104961#1435068 (10yuvipanda) +1 for VE by default! [16:51:45] 10VisualEditor, 6Labs, 10wikitech.wikimedia.org: Enable VisualEditor on wikitech.wikimedia.org - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104961#1435070 (10Dzahn) >>! In T104961#1435057, @hashar wrote: > @Krenair thank you very much! it is a well hidden option :-) Maybe on wikitech we can drop that user preferen... [16:52:30] 10VisualEditor, 6Labs, 10wikitech.wikimedia.org: Enable VisualEditor on wikitech.wikimedia.org - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104961#1435075 (10Krenair) VE doesn't disable the 'classic' wikitext editor. Or Wikimedia's WikiEditor extension. [16:52:43] 10VisualEditor, 6Labs, 10wikitech.wikimedia.org: Enable VisualEditor on wikitech.wikimedia.org - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104961#1435076 (10hashar) >>! In T104961#1435070, @Dzahn wrote: > I would like to keep using classic editor if possible please. Enabling VE does not disable source editing. At... [16:53:22] 10VisualEditor, 6Labs, 10wikitech.wikimedia.org: Enable VisualEditor by default on wikitech.wikimedia.org - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104961#1435077 (10hashar) [17:45:55] (03CR) 10Divec: [C: 032] Emit context change when any annotations change, not just covered. [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/223307 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105013) (owner: 10Esanders) [17:48:09] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 5Patch-For-Review: Preserve backward selections when copying in Firefox - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104517#1435250 (10dchan) 5Open>3Resolved [17:48:11] (03PS1) 10Krinkle: demos: Default to 'simple.html' instead of 'aliens.html' [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/223357 [17:48:48] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Emit context change when any annotations change, not just covered. [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/223307 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105013) (owner: 10Esanders) [17:55:26] (03PS9) 10Divec: ve.ce.adjustLinkSelection: fixup link-bisecting selections [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/222488 [17:55:28] (03PS8) 10Divec: WIP: Fixup links [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/222619 [17:57:51] (03PS7) 10Divec: WIP: Cursoring: find adjacent position in DOM order [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/217222 [17:58:17] (03PS12) 10Divec: WIP: Explicitly enter/exit link annotations [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/217257 [18:00:38] (03Abandoned) 10Divec: WIP: walkDomTree function for document-order traversal [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204985 (owner: 10Divec) [18:01:07] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] WIP: Cursoring: find adjacent position in DOM order [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/217222 (owner: 10Divec) [18:01:39] (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] demos: Default to 'simple.html' instead of 'aliens.html' [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/223357 (owner: 10Krinkle) [18:04:02] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: demos: Default to 'simple.html' instead of 'aliens.html' [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/223357 (owner: 10Krinkle) [18:04:13] https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/page/html/Oxford_Street Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 500 (Internal Server Error) [18:04:14] Hm.. [18:04:28] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_Street started loading and then it literally "bounced" back into read mode [18:05:00] loading it the second time throws 'Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property '0' of undefined' from incrementLoadingProgress [18:06:43] Krinkle: Could that be similar to https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99026? I haven't gotten one of those failures in a month though. [18:07:17] Actually, never mind. [18:07:31] With T99026 the loading never even started. [18:07:36] Krinkle: The unexplained bounce is fixed by https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/221748/ but the cause of RESTbase 500ing sometimes isn't known for sure. [18:08:32] neilpquinn: btw, I don't know if you did already –but QuickTime can compress captures a fair bit using the Export feature. E.g. http://i.imgur.com/maMgHJX.png [18:08:48] (03CR) 10Jforrester: Emit change when selection changes from collasped to not (031 comment) [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/223334 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89547) (owner: 10Esanders) [18:09:24] Ah, no I didn't know that. [18:09:47] even if using 720p (the original) the exporter uses a better format that's smaller. [18:09:55] though 480p is probably enough in most cases. [18:14:07] (03PS2) 10Jforrester: Emit change when selection changes from collapsed to not [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/223334 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89547) (owner: 10Esanders) [18:14:13] (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] Emit change when selection changes from collapsed to not [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/223334 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89547) (owner: 10Esanders) [18:14:27] (03CR) 10Jforrester: Emit change when selection changes from collapsed to not (031 comment) [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/223334 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89547) (owner: 10Esanders) [18:15:14] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-07-14_(1.26wmf14): Clear styling tool disabled when selection starts in unformatted text - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105013#1435352 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Esanders [18:15:18] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-07-14_(1.26wmf14): Clear styling tool disabled when selection starts in unformatted text - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105013#1434362 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [18:15:36] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-07-14_(1.26wmf14): Clear styling tool disabled when selection expanded from inside an annotation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89547#1435357 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Esanders [18:15:42] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-07-14_(1.26wmf14): Clear styling tool disabled when selection expanded from inside an annotation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89547#1038954 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [18:17:26] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Emit change when selection changes from collapsed to not [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/223334 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89547) (owner: 10Esanders) [18:17:54] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-07-14_(1.26wmf14): Clear styling tool disabled when selection starts in unformatted text - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105013#1435379 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Normal [18:33:48] (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 04-1] "Per Alex." [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/222589 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104604) (owner: 10Esanders) [18:49:59] 10VisualEditor, 6Labs, 10wikitech.wikimedia.org, 5Patch-For-Review: Enable VisualEditor by default on wikitech.wikimedia.org - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104961#1435487 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Normal a:5Krenair>3Jdforrester-WMF [18:53:44] 10VisualEditor: How to cancel Ω icon? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105032#1435504 (10Jdforrester-WMF) To close it, click on it again. This is the only "toolbar tray" control, so it //is// consistent (with itself), but yes. Do you have any suggestions? [18:54:20] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 7Design: Make closing the character inserter more obvious - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105032#1435506 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Low [19:11:04] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste: Incorrect pasting of multi lined plain text - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96006#1435543 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [19:11:17] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 7Browser-Support-Firefox, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: Pasting into a VE surface in Firefox adds spurious line breaks and nowikis - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104790#1435544 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [19:11:34] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: Citations in VisualEditor are copied as regular links on Chrome - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104788#1435546 (10Neil_P._Quinn_WMF) [19:13:39] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 7Browser-Support-Google-Chrome, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: Citations in VisualEditor are copied as regular links on Chrome - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104788#1435549 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [19:17:37] 10VisualEditor, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: Convince English Wikipedia community to change their templated warning message layout for VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104409#1435563 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [19:19:23] 10VisualEditor, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: Convince English Wikipedia community to change their templated warning message layout for VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104409#1416280 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3declined This is not in scope for WMF. The community's decisions about how... [19:19:29] 10VisualEditor: Convince English Wikipedia community to change their templated warning message layout for VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104409#1435575 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [19:25:50] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: Make the comment icon in the toolbar menu match the exclamation mark one used in the surface - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94479#1435641 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [19:29:24] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 7Technical-Debt: Audit events in DM systems that are bound but never unbound, adding destroy code paths as needed - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94207#1435660 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [19:29:27] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 7Technical-Debt: Audit events in DM systems that are bound but never unbound, adding destroy code paths as needed - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94207#1157483 (10Jdforrester-WMF) At the weekly triage meeting on 2015-07-07 we decided that this was important bu... [19:29:35] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 7Technical-Debt: Make pasteSpecial a real interface rather than an externally written property - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94468#1435663 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [19:29:41] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 7Technical-Debt: Make pasteSpecial a real interface rather than an externally written property - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94468#1164142 (10Jdforrester-WMF) At the weekly triage meeting on 2015-07-07 we decided that this was useful but not urgent to do this... [19:29:48] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 10VisualEditor-DataModel: Converter lets you put a paragraph directly in a list, which shouldn't be allowed and breaks fixUpInsertion - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95945#1435666 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [19:29:52] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 10VisualEditor-DataModel: Converter lets you put a paragraph directly in a list, which shouldn't be allowed and breaks fixUpInsertion - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95945#1204415 (10Jdforrester-WMF) At the weekly triage meeting on 2015-07-07 we decided that thi... [19:43:26] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 5Patch-For-Review: VE can't handle [http:// http://...] - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98960#1435699 (10Arlolra) p:5Triage>3Normal [20:15:41] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 5Patch-For-Review, 5WMF-deploy-2015-07-14_(1.26wmf14): Preserve backward selections when copying in Firefox - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104517#1435773 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [20:16:03] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 5Patch-For-Review, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-07-14_(1.26wmf14): Preserve backward selections when copying in Firefox - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104517#1435776 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Normal [20:16:16] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers, 5WMF-deploy-2015-07-14_(1.26wmf14): Preserve backward selections when copying in Firefox - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104517#1419371 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [20:29:52] (03CR) 10Trevor Parscal: [C: 032] Update VE core submodule to master (e628ef0) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/223214 (owner: 10Jforrester) [20:30:35] 10VisualEditor, 6Collaboration-Team, 10Flow: Explore ideas for collaborative contribution - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103081#1435844 (10Mattflaschen) {T91137} could be used to implement "A user proposes a specific improvement to a section of an article, after discussion, another user improves it, an... [20:31:24] 10VisualEditor, 6Collaboration-Team, 10Flow: Explore ideas for collaborative contribution - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103081#1435847 (10Mattflaschen) [20:32:47] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update VE core submodule to master (e628ef0) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/223214 (owner: 10Jforrester) [20:41:23] 10VisualEditor: URL appeared in VisualEditor after changing link from URL to interwiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105078#1435884 (10Spage) 3NEW [20:43:21] MatmaRex, you around? I am wondering if you may recognize a bug I caught in ltr/rtl in ve's toolbar [20:43:39] it's related to icons and their directions [20:43:45] mooeypoo: mostly around [20:44:08] MatmaRex, the VE toolbar has ve-ui-dir-inline-rtl|ltr and ve-ui-dir-block-rtl|ltr classes [20:44:28] these *used* to make specific icons flip in relation to the context the cursor is in [20:44:53] so if you were in enwiki but your interface is hebrew, the entire toolbar is hebrew *except* for the bullet points that were still LTR [20:45:24] it's not working now, and I'm slightly concerned this is due to either the move to ooui (this used to be in VE itself) or maybe a change in the way VE reads/operates on icons ? [20:46:04] also, i just checked and the classes are *applied* correctly. The icons just don't change. [20:47:37] hmm. [20:48:03] It should be a simple issue of css definitions for the icons [20:48:15] but since the icons were changed (I think?) I want to make sure I am not missing anything [20:49:12] yeah… i'm not sure if this was considered. you're saying that the icons in the toolbar used to change in response to whether the cursor was in RTL or LTR text, regardless of interface or wiki content directionality? [20:49:35] Some of the icons, yes [20:49:40] we used to hav a special definition for them [20:49:45] it's specifically the bullets, iirc [20:49:46] (i never knew they did this) [20:49:51] bullets/numbered list [20:50:05] because these do depend on the context of your *content* not your UI [20:50:35] (which, ironically, is my lecture i Wikimania, which is what I'm writing right now and how I discovered this isn't working... I have lost my example! :P ) [20:52:35] we used to have a ve-specific css rule for .ve-ui-dir-inline-rtl .oo-ui-icon-listBullet { /* @noflip */ background-image: url( ...-rtl ); } [20:52:49] only it was with the previous set of icons i think? [20:52:51] mooeypoo: that isn't possible now, i'm afraid :/ ResourceLoaderImageModule only sends one version of each icon, depending on user language (see ResourceLoaderImage::getPath()) [20:53:02] :\ meh. [20:53:07] mooeypoo: we'd need to add the VE CSS back, with the VE-specific icons [20:53:08] That's not good. [20:53:27] edsanders|away, TrevorP|Away, James_F, ^^ [20:54:12] Okay, eh. See what the VE masterminds decide to do ... I can add those icons in, but that might not be the best. I'll wait for their input. [20:54:17] i had no idea this would ever be required (this seems to be a common theme related to the icons work, eh) [20:54:20] ... I'll have to find another example for my lecture [20:54:42] MatmaRex, yeah, i wasn't aware this would be affected at all [20:54:51] but yes, it's one of those *things* with RTL work [20:55:00] mooeypoo: this is great example :) [20:55:12] eranroz, .... if it WORKED [20:55:14] :P [20:55:18] It worked in the past! [20:55:21] just... not anymore [20:55:50] I guess I could put it in and tell the audience that it should be different or something. Eh. [20:56:31] mooeypoo: this is about listBullet and listNumbered icons? perhaps a better solution would be to "duplicate" them, e.g. listBulletLTR and listBulletRTL, and switch the icon being displayed from JavaScript [20:56:45] hm [20:57:00] well, it's about the list bullets now... assuming therre are no others that depend on content [20:57:12] I don't think there are any now [20:59:27] mooeypoo: please file a bug and i'll figure it out first thing tomorrow [20:59:51] mooeypoo: just before the lecture add to enwiki css the following CSS: .rtl .sitedir-ltr .oo-ui-icon-listBullet { rotate(180deg) } [21:00:19] people will not be aware to this hack :) [21:02:10] (this is probably a regression from 28844ed633c6f07d2a777ed3b643049e1fee803b) [21:02:22] (feature added in 87fd3b7756a9bd40ab9742dbc8a5a391b280caf1) [21:02:52] haha eranroz that won't work on the numbered list, though :D [21:03:10] I can just show it and say that this is something to think about [21:03:11] yes, and i forgot transform before rotate [21:03:18] I'm showing screenshots [21:03:30] So I can just hack my screenshots :P [21:03:32] we can duplicate the icons and update the JS. should be easy to do, and hopefully deployable before wikimania. :P [21:05:42] yeah [21:06:24] I can fake the images or I can just show it without the fix and use it to ask the audience if it should be this way (no :P) but the behavior should probably be fixed in general [21:09:06] mooeypoo: fillllle bugggg please. will fix tomorrow. [21:11:06] MatmaRex, will do. Thanks! [21:15:11] 10VisualEditor: (Regression) VisualEditor's toolbar icons ignore content directionality - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105083#1435996 (10Mooeypoo) 3NEW [21:17:58] MatmaRex, ^^ [21:18:42] 10VisualEditor, 7Regression: (Regression) VisualEditor's toolbar icons ignore content directionality - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105083#1436004 (10matmarex) a:3matmarex [21:20:41] 10VisualEditor, 7Regression: (Regression) VisualEditor's toolbar icons ignore content directionality - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105083#1435996 (10matmarex) [22:56] mooeypoo: this is about listBullet and listNumbered icons? perhaps a better solution would be to "duplicate" them, e.g. listBu... [21:47:29] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 7I18n, 7RTL, 7Regression: (Regression) [wmf3] VisualEditor's toolbar icons ignore content directionality - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105083#1436074 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3High [21:58:17] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: MediaWiki flakiness (?) caused (? causes ?) auto-cite tool to become unavailable somehow - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104944#1436107 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [22:00:31] (03CR) 10Jforrester: Error when restbase call fails (031 comment) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221748 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97041) (owner: 10Alex Monk) [22:00:55] (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 031] Parse SpamBlacklist error on the server-side [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221867 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99830) (owner: 10Alex Monk) [22:41:17] TrevorP|Away, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105083 [22:41:41] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 7Design: Make closing the character inserter more obvious - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105032#1436234 (10matmarex) Duplicate of {T91814}? [22:42:54] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 7I18n, 7RTL, 7Regression: (Regression) [wmf3] VisualEditor's toolbar icons ignore content directionality - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105083#1436241 (10TrevorParscal) What about adding a config to RLIM to load both directions? For content-language spec... [22:50:50] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools: After selecting a specific type (Symbols/Accents/Mathematical) from the left panel of the special character dialog, it does not scroll the dialog to the beginning of that section but somewhere in the middle of that li... - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92008#1436249 [22:53:20] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools: After selecting a specific type (Symbols/Accents/Mathematical) from the left panel of the special character dialog, it does not scroll the dialog to the beginning of that section but somewhere in the middle of that li... - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92008#1436255 [23:05:43] 10VisualEditor, 6Labs, 10wikitech.wikimedia.org, 5Patch-For-Review: Enable VisualEditor by default on wikitech.wikimedia.org - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104961#1436300 (10Catrope) 5Open>3Resolved [23:18:58] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 7I18n, 7RTL, 7Regression: (Regression) [wmf3] VisualEditor's toolbar icons ignore content directionality - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105083#1436333 (10matmarex) We could, but then we'd still need a way to choose which one to display. We could implemen... [23:26:37] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 7Design: Make closing the character inserter more obvious - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105032#1436339 (10Jdforrester-WMF) >>! In T105032#1436234, @matmarex wrote: > Duplicate of {T91814}? Yes. [23:26:42] 10VisualEditor: Add a "Done" button or a way to slide up the special character menu, right now its not apparent that clicking on the menu icon again will close that dialog - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91814#1436341 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [23:26:42] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 7Design: Make closing the character inserter more obvious - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105032#1436340 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [23:27:29] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 7Design: Add a "Done" button or a way to slide up the special character menu, right now its not apparent that clicking on the menu icon again will close that dialog - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91814#1436343 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Low [23:29:11] 10VisualEditor, 6Labs, 10wikitech.wikimedia.org, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: Enable VisualEditor by default on wikitech.wikimedia.org - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104961#1436345 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [23:29:14] 10VisualEditor, 6Labs, 10wikitech.wikimedia.org, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: Enable VisualEditor by default on wikitech.wikimedia.org - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104961#1433335 (10Jdforrester-WMF)