[00:04:50] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Plugins, 10Math, 7Epic: List requirements for a visual VisualEditor plugin tool to add/edit maths blocks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106310#1639999 (10Jdforrester-WMF) >>! In T106310#1639959, @SalixAlba wrote: > Is this going to be a new product to the one...
[00:07:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS8) 10Jforrester: MWBetaWelcomeDialog: Alter to be welcoming, use a nice image [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99963) 
[00:13:17] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: On user's first use of VE-MW, provide a couple of educational pop-ups for links and for citations with some toolbar highlights to trigger them - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108620#1640007 (10Krenair) I've made a pulsating dot and popup work (close when a button...
[00:15:04] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: On user's first use of VE-MW, provide a couple of educational pop-ups for links and for citations with some toolbar highlights to trigger them - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108620#1640008 (10Jdforrester-WMF) >>! In T108620#1640007, @Krenair wrote: > I've made a...
[00:16:44] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: On user's first use of VE-MW, provide a couple of educational pop-ups for links and for citations with some toolbar highlights to trigger them - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108620#1640009 (10Krenair) We could certain provide the ability to set a custom image, ti...
[00:17:15] <Krenair>	 James_F, so do we have a good idea of where we are going to put these?
[00:17:30] <James_F>	 Krenair: What do you mean by 'where'?
[00:17:36] <James_F>	 Krenair: Oh, which tools?
[00:17:44] <Krenair>	 Examples so far are link tool and citation tool
[00:17:49] <James_F>	 Krenair: Right now it's probably just link and cite.
[00:17:57] <Krenair>	 Are we going to point to other things, etc.
[00:18:03] <James_F>	 Later it might also be media, if we want to promote it to the toolbar.
[00:18:12] <James_F>	 But the idea is only having a very few.
[00:18:18] <Krenair>	 My current example is all hacked into the LinkInspector code and obviously needs to be made generic.
[00:18:32] <Krenair>	 LinkInspectorTool*
[00:18:40] <James_F>	 :-)
[00:19:10] <Krenair>	 And the damn dot is a few pixels too far to the right...
[00:19:22] <James_F>	 Especially if we're going to (eventually) get around to moving all the reference-related coding into Extension:Cite (or Extension:Citoid for the 'auto' sub-classing)
[00:20:34] <Krenair>	 I'm thinking a mixin for ve.ui.Tools with the config setting up contents (pass in messages) and some sort of ID so you can set the image via CSS, all in VE-MW
[00:20:45] * James_F nods.
[00:20:48] <James_F>	 That'd be neat.
[00:36:10] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Alex Monk: MWBetaWelcomeDialog: Alter to be welcoming, use a nice image (031 comment) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99963) (owner: 10Jforrester)
[00:37:52] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: MWBetaWelcomeDialog: Alter to be welcoming, use a nice image (032 comments) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99963) (owner: 10Jforrester)
[00:42:21] <Krenair>	 James_F, I'm not hugely fussed about the ve-mw vs. ve-wmf thing in this case
[00:43:26] <Krenair>	 It's just not entirely accurate in all cases, so... not perfect
[00:43:29] <Krenair>	 But it's not site-specific enough that I'd refuse to approve it
[00:43:58] * James_F nods.
[00:45:54] <Krenair>	 I did contribute a bit to this so it's not entirely clear that I *should* be merging it, but... you reviewed my changes to it, right?
[00:47:27] <James_F>	 One second.
[00:47:42] <James_F>	 I'm making more of a mess. :-)
[00:48:17] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS9) 10Jforrester: MWWelcomeDialogI: Alter to be welcoming, use a nice image [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99963) 
[00:48:25] <James_F>	 Bah.
[00:49:52] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS10) 10Jforrester: MWWelcomeDialog: Alter to be welcoming, use a nice image [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99963) 
[00:50:13] <James_F>	 Krenair: Now it's almost entirely my fault, and yeah, your changes looked great.
[00:50:23] <James_F>	 Krenair: But we can get edsanders|away to review if you'd prefer.
[00:50:29] <Krenair>	 No, it's fine
[00:50:33] <Krenair>	 I'll review it
[00:50:54] <James_F>	 (I move MWBetaWelcome* to MWWelcome* as there's now nothing Beta about it.)
[00:52:20] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] MWWelcomeDialog: Alter to be welcoming, use a nice image [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99963) (owner: 10Jforrester)
[00:52:39] <James_F>	 Oh, meh. :-)
[00:54:23] <Krenair>	 Do we just load ve-wmf in all cases?
[00:54:27] <James_F>	 Yes.
[00:54:32] <James_F>	 But eventually we won't.
[00:54:35] <Krenair>	 Okay
[00:54:38] <James_F>	 It's mostly a mention of intent.
[00:56:32] <Krenair>	 We still have VisualEditorShowBetaWelcome
[00:56:44] <James_F>	 Yeah, intentionally.
[00:57:48] <Krenair>	 That's, um... interesting behaviour in gerrit I've never seen before - when you have 'reviewed' an image file change, the tick is shown just outside the table rather than in the last column on the file list
[00:57:57] <James_F>	 Oh, interesting.
[00:58:05] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Alex Monk: [C: 04-1] MWWelcomeDialog: Alter to be welcoming, use a nice image (031 comment) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99963) (owner: 10Jforrester)
[01:05:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Alex Monk: MWWelcomeDialog: Alter to be welcoming, use a nice image (031 comment) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99963) (owner: 10Jforrester)
[01:05:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: MWWelcomeDialog: Alter to be welcoming, use a nice image (032 comments) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99963) (owner: 10Jforrester)
[01:07:33] <Krenair>	 James_F, have you tested this out?
[01:07:37] <Krenair>	 the image is not quite right...
[01:08:23] <James_F>	 Not in the last couple of revs.
[01:11:19] <James_F>	 Krenair: Is the alignment wrong?
[01:11:33] <Krenair>	 It's cut off by the title and button
[01:11:40] <James_F>	 Eh.
[01:11:42] <James_F>	 Darn.
[01:11:56] <Krenair>	 So you just see the middle of the image
[01:14:26] <James_F>	 Do we need to add some explicit height?
[01:14:57] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS11) 10Jforrester: MWWelcomeDialog: Alter to be welcoming, use a nice image [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99963) 
[01:16:24] <Krenair>	 I think so
[01:18:16] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] MWWelcomeDialog: Alter to be welcoming, use a nice image [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99963) (owner: 10Jforrester)
[01:19:02] <Krenair>	 James_F, I don't think you need to modify all of those i18n files
[01:19:10] <James_F>	 Krenair: Sadly I do.
[01:19:23] <Krenair>	 doesn't TWN handle it?
[01:19:27] <James_F>	 And after all that I missed one.
[01:19:33] <James_F>	 It does, but banana-checker insists.
[01:19:44] <Krenair>	 Ah. :/
[01:20:15] <James_F>	 Just a "height: 400px;" on .visualeditor-welcomedialog-content do you think?
[01:21:33] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS12) 10Jforrester: MWWelcomeDialog: Alter to be welcoming, use a nice image [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99963) 
[01:22:11] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS13) 10Jforrester: MWWelcomeDialog: Alter to be welcoming, use a nice image [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99963) 
[01:23:20] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: "PS10: Rename things to remove beta-ness." [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99963) (owner: 10Jforrester)
[01:24:52] <Krenair>	 James_F, that may be too far.
[01:25:21] <Krenair>	 200px leaves plenty of room
[01:25:41] <James_F>	 Oh, yeah, 'cos I added some whitespace to be sure.
[01:25:47] <Krenair>	 'some'
[01:28:33] <James_F>	 :-)
[01:29:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS14) 10Jforrester: MWWelcomeDialog: Alter to be welcoming, use a nice image [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99963) 
[01:29:55] <James_F>	 Dropped to 200px.
[01:30:33] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Alex Monk: [C: 032] MWWelcomeDialog: Alter to be welcoming, use a nice image [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99963) (owner: 10Jforrester)
[01:30:42] <James_F>	 Thanks, Krenair. :_)
[01:31:09] * Krenair goes back to user education change
[01:31:27] <Krenair>	 I got the dot in the right place, by the way
[01:37:02] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Alex Monk: WIP (contains stupidity, do not push) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238372 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108620) 
[01:37:15] <James_F>	 Krenair: :-)
[01:37:20] <James_F>	 "Stupidity"? :-)
[01:37:51] <Krenair>	 Um.
[01:38:01] <James_F>	 You're too hard on yourself.
[01:38:03] <Krenair>	 Obviously this was not the commit to autopilot "git commit --amend -a; git review" on
[01:38:12] * James_F grins.
[01:38:32] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Alex Monk: WIP (contains stupidity, do not push) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238372 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108620) 
[01:38:46] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Abandoned) 10Alex Monk: WIP (contains stupidity, do not push) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238372 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108620) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[01:39:34] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: MWWelcomeDialog: Alter to be welcoming, use a nice image [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99963) (owner: 10Jforrester)
[02:00:25] <Krenair>	 James_F, I pulled it all into a mixin, actually a lot neater than I expected
[02:02:03] <James_F>	 Nice.
[02:19:12] <Krenair>	 We don't actually use MWCitationDialogTool with Citoid?
[02:19:25] <James_F>	 Not… any more? I think?
[02:20:03] <Krenair>	 modules/ve.ui.CiteFromIdInspectorTool.js
[02:29:21] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Design Research Backlog, 7Epic: Improve and streamline VisualEditor's user education features - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101481#1640199 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:29:21] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 5WMF-deploy-2015-09-15_(1.26wmf23): Change Welcome dialogue content to more helpful message to new users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112354#1640197 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved
[02:29:33] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Design Research Backlog, 7Epic: Improve and streamline VisualEditor's user education features - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101481#1340043 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:29:35] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 7Easy, 5WMF-deploy-2015-09-15_(1.26wmf23): Harmonize some warning messages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99963#1640200 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved a:5Nirzar>3Jdforrester-WMF
[02:33:11] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10MediaWiki-extensions-InputBox, 5WMF-deploy-2015-09-15_(1.26wmf23): Option to choose editor (traditional vs VisualEditor) in InputBox extension - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89341#1640212 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:35:18] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Plugins, 10SyntaxHighlight, 7Verified-in-Phase0: Prompt the user with a drop-down list of available languages when VE-editing a SyntaxHighlight block - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103756#1640219 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:35:31] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: [Regression wmf 16] Cannot switch to wikitext editor from VE - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T107225#1640220 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:37:12] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Community-Liaison, 7Documentation: Make screenshots about how to create lists in VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108146#1640221 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:37:22] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10OOjs-UI, 7Regression, 7Verified-in-Phase0: Icons repeating in toolbar dropdown menu - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109995#1640222 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:37:30] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Change interrupt trend chart to be interrupt % chart - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110087#1640223 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:37:49] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Alex Monk: [WIP] Educational popups and highlights for links+citations [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238380 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108620) 
[02:37:56] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid: Write script to fetch VE-tagged edits that introduce nowikis - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T107828#1640229 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:37:56] <Krenair>	 James_F, ^
[02:38:08] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Tables, 10Parsoid: Reference inside template call inside table cell not visible - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T107652#1640230 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:38:23] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Cannot save page edits due to parsoidserver-http: HTTP 500 in Chinese Wikipedia when using Visual Editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100136#1640231 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:38:40] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 7Browser-Support-Apple-Safari: VisualEditor: Pasting a template throws undefined getModel error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T60383#1640232 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:38:49] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools: VisualEditor:The page alignment of the articles in betalabs is appearing more towards left - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T60947#1640233 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:39:08] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Trying to add blockquote inside a ref causes VE to add nowiki tags around it - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100163#1640235 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:39:18] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Regular expressions in Find - using a? or a* freezes browser - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90958#1640237 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:39:23] <James_F>	 One sec.
[02:39:35] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Security-Reviews: Add edges to Phabricator task data dump transaction history - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104920#1640239 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:39:45] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References: VE citation tool and an issue with the "re-use" tab - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100003#1640240 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:39:52] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Closing Search tool loses focus - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100009#1640242 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:40:00] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Templates: Unable to see Persondata (template) in VE - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100093#1640244 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:40:06] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] [WIP] Educational popups and highlights for links+citations [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238380 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108620) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[02:40:15] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Templates, 7I18n: Add PLURAL support to visualeditor-dialog-transclusion-contextitem-description - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109564#1640245 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:40:26] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 7Parsoid-Nowiki, 7Verified-in-Phase0, 7Verified-in-Phase2: ISBN are surrounded by nowiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110347#1640246 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:40:40] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 7Parsoid-Nowiki: Title with just nowiki tag - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T107774#1640247 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:40:56] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: In extended transclusion dialog, clicking the up/down arrow button-icons to move transclusions causes highlight to jump around - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T75694#1640248 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:41:08] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile, 3Reading-Web: Mobile VE - Toolbar buttons are the incorrect sizes - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91847#1640249 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:42:06] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10ContentTranslation-Deployments, 10ContentTranslation-cxserver, 10Parsoid, and 3 others: Decom parsoid-lb.eqiad.wikimedia.org entrypoint - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110474#1640250 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:42:28] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 7Browser-Support-Google-Chrome: Highlights don't adequately block link hover effects in Chrome - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100275#1640251 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3declined a:3Jdforrester-WMF
[02:42:35] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 7Browser-Support-Google-Chrome: Highlights don't adequately block link hover effects in Chrome - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100275#1309215 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:43:10] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Analytics-Backlog, 10Analytics-Dashiki, 6Editing-Analysis, 5Patch-For-Review: Improve the edit analysis dashboard {lion} - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104261#1640257 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:43:15] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Editing-Analysis, 6Editing-Department, 10MediaWiki-Page-editing: Provide an editing tools issues "report card" useful for tracking behavioural changes when new features are deployed - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T84927#1640258 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:45:34] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Graph: VisualEditor throws exception while trying to open empty <graph> node - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109667#1640259 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:45:44] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Media, 7I18n, 5Patch-For-Review: Actually pass username to visualeditor-dialog-media-info-meta-artist - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109563#1640260 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:45:53] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Generate master burnup in Phlogiston that accurately communicates backlog, burnup, and maintenance fraction trends and status. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110085#1640261 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:46:06] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 7Design: Trigger spam blacklist upon opening a page in VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99803#1640262 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:46:14] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Templates, 10Parsoid: Newly added parameters in templates are being recorded in the order that they're inserted into the template dialog, rather than the order that is specified in TemplateData - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108133#1640263 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:46:22] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References: Copying of a reference lead VE to add sup tags with attributes - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108153#1640264 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:46:32] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid: Parsoid creates incorrect wikitext by letting a user remove the newline between template and the start of a heading - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105745#1640265 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:46:49] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Templates, 10Parsoid: Ref generating templates show reflists when edited - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101553#1640266 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:47:23] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 7Browser-Support-Firefox: When the user opens VisualEditor from a section link, then scroll to that section upon opening in Firefox - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106557#1640268 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:47:29] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid: Don't remove the line feed/carriage return before a table - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T107818#1640270 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:47:40] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Tables, 10Parsoid: Newlines after bolded text in tables lost on save - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104032#1640272 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:48:12] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 10Parsoid: Pasted lists of multiple lines are treated as one list item with <br> - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108357#1640273 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:48:19] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Generate project data from edge transaction data - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110955#1640275 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:48:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Alex Monk: [WIP] Educational popups and highlights for links+citations [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238380 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108620) 
[02:48:27] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Improve quality of Python code in Phlogiston - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110977#1640277 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:48:33] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Finish reconstruction refactoring - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110704#1640278 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:48:43] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Finish reconstruction refactoring - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110704#1584762 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:48:47] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Finish reconstruction refactoring - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110704#1584762 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:48:53] <wikibugs>	 10TemplateData, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Templates: "No unused fields" doesn't make sense when there is no TemplateData present - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T111717#1640281 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:48:59] <wikibugs>	 10TemplateData, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Templates: VisualEditor is intermittently failing to load TemplateData for en.wp's [[Template:Citation needed]] (possibly others?) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T111230#1640283 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:49:03] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: refactor burnup SQL for consistency across different projects - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110705#1640284 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:49:13] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Follow up on VE SLUs after the Engineering Offsite - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T111226#1640286 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:49:37] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools: Inspector crashes while trying to open it in a position where another inspector was opened previously - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110378#1640287 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:49:50] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: [Regression wmf20] Media search is not returning any result unless there is a change in the search term by typing or deleting something inside the search box - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110570#1640288 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:49:55] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Browser-Tests, 10Continuous-Integration-Infrastructure, 5Patch-For-Review: browsertests-VisualEditor-language-screenshot-os_x_10.10-firefox jenkins job failing - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T111510#1640289 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:49:59] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Browser-Tests: No such file or directory - i18n/af.json (Errno::ENOENT) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T111525#1640290 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:50:16] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: VE doesn't consistently clear element ids when content is copy-pasted across pages (leading to incorrect serialization of pasted content when it causes Parsoid to incorrectly use data-parsoid from the target page) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T111312#1640293 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:50:25] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Media, 10Parsoid: Parsoid/VE adds images with pointless link parameter - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108504#1640294 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:50:32] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] [WIP] Educational popups and highlights for links+citations [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238380 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108620) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[02:50:37] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Discovery, 10MediaWiki-API, 10MediaWiki-Search, and 3 others: Prefix search API doesn't return "index" field when "redirects" is enabled. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92796#1640296 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:50:42] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 6Community-Liaison: Recurring checks for Citoid's status - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110597#1640297 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:51:08] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 6Community-Liaison: Recurring checks for Citoid's status - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110597#1640298 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved >>! In T110597#1613442, @Elitre wrote: > So the change is already live on Wikipedias? If so, I might declare this task tentatively clo...
[02:51:20] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Citing Reuters.com gives Reuters as a work, should be agency - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106892#1640300 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:51:29] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Citing news on sv.wp gives work as title - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106891#1640301 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:51:37] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Please generate a list of Most referenced domains on the Dutch Wikipedia - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T107788#1640302 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Normal>3Low
[02:51:51] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Editing-Analysis: Please generate a list of Most referenced domains on the Dutch Wikipedia - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T107788#1504001 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:55:28] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Alex Monk: [WIP] Educational popups and highlights for links+citations [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238380 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108620) 
[02:56:55] <James_F>	 Krenair: Eurgh, my local Vagrant RB has stopped working now that I updated it.
[02:57:00] * James_F gives up and goes home.
[02:57:10] <James_F>	 Krenair: I'll have a look at that patch tomorrow. :-)
[02:57:15] <Krenair>	 ok
[04:25:28] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 5Patch-For-Review: Ugly edit => edit source replacement on page load - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112366#1640335 (10eranroz) What I mean in "flicker" here is a replacement of content during page load that cause change in the size of elements. This is visible in any talk page (or WP ns),...
[04:28:40] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Eranroz: Avoid flickers on talk pages (031 comment) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/237891 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112366) (owner: 10Eranroz)
[04:29:21] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 5Patch-For-Review: Ugly edit => edit source replacement on page load - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112366#1640340 (10Krenair) What is your user interface language?
[04:29:39] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 5Patch-For-Review: Ugly edit => edit source replacement on page load - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112366#1640342 (10eranroz) English
[05:48:59] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools: The latex math inspector jumps around a lot when editing large formula - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112610#1640393 (10SalixAlba) 3NEW
[06:22:05] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor-LanguageTool, 6Editing-Department, 6Language-Engineering, 3Google-Summer-of-Code-2015, 7I18n: Unified language proofing tools integration framework - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89107#1640455 (10Qgil) No problem! Since your GSoC project passed and your extension is functional in Lab...
[06:26:42] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor-LanguageTool, 6Editing-Department, 6Language-Engineering, 3Google-Summer-of-Code-2015, 7I18n: Unified language proofing tools integration framework - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89107#1640460 (10Qgil)
[06:58:00] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Out-clicking during insertion deletes data - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112617#1640499 (10Yurik) 3NEW
[07:40:08] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 7JavaScript: Infinite collapsing/uncollapsing of VisualEditor's Edit tab on some screen resolutions when tabs are inserted by JS (which doen't happen frequently) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108588#1640647 (10Schnark) >>! In T108588#1639613, @Jdforrester-WMF...
[10:55:02] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Esanders: "What is the image supposed to mean?" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/221762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99963) (owner: 10Jforrester)
[10:58:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Esanders: WelcomeDialog: Fix vertical spacing [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238411 
[11:53:44] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10MediaWiki-ResourceLoader: Devise a means of testing local code on production wikis - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87384#1641084 (10Aklapper) @ori: Does matmarex' comment fulfil your needs? If yes, should this be documented somewhere (where?) and this ticket closed?
[12:27:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Esanders: dm.Annotation: Remove unused convenience wrapper [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238419 
[12:46:57] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Esanders: Use ve.resolveAttributes instead of resolveUrl in clipboard conversion [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238424 
[12:51:00] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Use ve.resolveAttributes instead of resolveUrl in clipboard conversion [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238424 (owner: 10Esanders)
[12:53:53] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Use ve.resolveAttributes instead of resolveUrl in clipboard conversion [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238424 (owner: 10Esanders)
[12:56:53] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Esanders: ve.resolveAttributes: Use addBack to build a single selection [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238430 
[12:57:19] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: ve.init.mw.DesktopArticleTarget.init: Disable on all translateable pages [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/234252 
[13:04:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Esanders: ve.resolveAttributes: Use addBack to build a single selection [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238430 
[13:04:40] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Esanders: [BREAKING CHANGE] ve.dm.Converter: Put static things in .static [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238433 
[13:04:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Esanders: PreviewWidget: De-duplicate code with a private function [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238434 
[13:08:11] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] ve.resolveAttributes: Use addBack to build a single selection [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238430 (owner: 10Esanders)
[13:11:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] ve.resolveAttributes: Use addBack to build a single selection [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238430 (owner: 10Esanders)
[13:13:45] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Esanders: [C: 032] "CI failed" [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238430 (owner: 10Esanders)
[13:16:51] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: ve.resolveAttributes: Use addBack to build a single selection [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238430 (owner: 10Esanders)
[13:28:58] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Esanders: [PULL THROUGH] Converter static methods [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238440 
[13:29:18] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Esanders: "pull through is If30f7b2a" [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238433 (owner: 10Esanders)
[13:30:47] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] WelcomeDialog: Fix vertical spacing [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238411 (owner: 10Esanders)
[13:31:12] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] [PULL THROUGH] Converter static methods [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238440 (owner: 10Esanders)
[13:33:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: WelcomeDialog: Fix vertical spacing [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238411 (owner: 10Esanders)
[14:43:57] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Disable some parts of the editing interface from IPs and newbies because we don't trust them to use them correctly - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110329#1641536 (10Supernino) Yeah, obsolete wasn't the right term. ISO 8601 was never used in italian language publications, but maybe VE is tryi...
[14:48:07] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase, 6Services: VE returning 400 on save for hewiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112657#1641540 (10mobrovac) 3NEW
[14:48:57] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase, 6Services: VE returning 400 on save for hewiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112657#1641548 (10mobrovac) Could be related to {T112286}, but here no references are being added; even simple text edits don't work.
[14:50:32] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase, 6Services: VE returning 400 on save for hewiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112657#1641554 (10GWicke)
[14:50:36] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase: Reports of 400 and 500 errors with Parsoid - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112286#1641555 (10GWicke)
[14:53:05] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase, 6Services: VE returning 400 on save for hewiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112657#1641567 (10mobrovac) Issuing:  ``` curl -H'Cache-Control: no-cache' https://he.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/page/title/%D7%A4%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%95%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%9C curl -H'Cache-Cont...
[15:14:17] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Case insensitive regex replace doesn't work - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112659#1641644 (10Esanders) 3NEW a:3Esanders
[15:19:24] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Esanders: FindAndReplace: Only use caseSensitive for text matches [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238463 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112659) 
[15:22:46] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] "Fine." [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238463 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112659) (owner: 10Esanders)
[15:27:00] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] FindAndReplace: Only use caseSensitive for text matches [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238463 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112659) (owner: 10Esanders)
[15:27:23] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] "…" [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238463 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112659) (owner: 10Esanders)
[15:30:40] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: FindAndReplace: Only use caseSensitive for text matches [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238463 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112659) (owner: 10Esanders)
[15:31:07] <James_F>	 edsanders: ^^^
[15:31:09] <James_F>	 Bah.
[15:31:16] <James_F>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238465
[15:31:51] <edsanders>	 so with the new dead message check, every time we remove a message do we have to edit 200 files?
[15:36:31] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Browser-Tests, 10Continuous-Integration-Infrastructure, 5Patch-For-Review: browsertests-VisualEditor-language-screenshot-os_x_10.10-firefox jenkins job failing - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T111510#1641745 (10dduvall) The short term fix here is to simply revert the changes made in h...
[15:39:19] <edsanders>	 James_F, ?
[15:39:30] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Esanders: [C: 032] Update VE core submodule to master (ce39ef0) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238465 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[15:41:18] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Browser-Tests: Delete or fix failed VisualEditor browsertests Jenkins job - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94162#1641759 (10zeljkofilipin) @ryasmeen: Are you working on this?
[15:42:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update VE core submodule to master (ce39ef0) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238465 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[15:42:54] <James_F>	 edsanders: Yes, because those are normally by mistake.
[15:43:06] <James_F>	 edsanders: It's a quite regex in your editor.
[15:43:21] <James_F>	 edsanders: (I can do it if you're too busy.)
[15:43:51] <edsanders>	 If I remove a feature and I no longer need a message - my commit then has to cover 200 files, and I have to write a regex to do it
[15:43:54] <edsanders>	 that seems really ugly
[15:44:07] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Media, 6Multimedia: VisualEditor: Initiate file upload by drag-and-drop - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T40031#1641772 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[15:44:14] <MatmaRex>	 (i agree with edsanders that this seems a bit pointless)
[15:44:21] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Media, 6Multimedia: VisualEditor: Button to initiate UploadWizard and insert image on completion - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T40030#1641776 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[15:44:51] <edsanders>	 if we must remove these messages ourselves (can't TW do it?) then we the banana check should be a warning
[15:44:56] <James_F>	 edsanders: I didn't set the config, I just built the code.
[15:45:14] <edsanders>	 with an option to make a *separate* commit automatically for you
[15:45:31] <edsanders>	 you set the default to true
[15:46:03] <James_F>	 Because legoktm and Krinkle insisted before a release could be made.
[15:46:05] <eranroz>	 it can be a jenkins magic script that remove all the relevant messages
[15:46:10] <James_F>	 Argue with them.
[15:46:14] <James_F>	 I don't care either way
[15:47:00] <Krinkle>	 James_F: Wait, you're saying the no-duplicate warning you don't want on? I agree with that.
[15:47:04] <MatmaRex>	 translatewiki does remove unused messages, but only the next time the .json file would be touched
[15:47:07] <James_F>	 Krinkle: …
[15:47:08] <Krinkle>	 I merged it because you proposed the commit and asked me to review
[15:47:23] <James_F>	 Krinkle: No, you said "all the tests should be on as strict by default".
[15:47:37] <James_F>	 Same with duplicate translations.
[15:47:45] <Krinkle>	 I assume you built the checks because you plan to enable them in most of your own product repos
[15:47:54] <Krinkle>	 So yeah, no 'preset', just enable it if it's useful.
[15:48:03] <Krinkle>	 I don't expect you to built useless configuration options.
[15:48:30] <Krinkle>	 I didn't really look at what each setting was. I was recommending to enable them in general, not anyone in particular.
[15:48:31] <marktraceur>	 edsanders: I'm here to ask you for help putting an upload button in VE
[15:48:42] <James_F>	 I built them because they were plausibly-useful features that people requested.
[15:48:43] <edsanders>	 yo
[15:48:52] <marktraceur>	 edsanders: There's a beautiful dialog class and everything, all we need is some license text and we'll be set to go
[15:49:03] <James_F>	 marktraceur, edsanders: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T40030 for the task. :-)
[15:49:15] <marktraceur>	 And all you need to do is add a button that launches the dialog, then retrieve the image info from the dialog when it closes.
[15:50:46] <github>	 [13grunt-banana-checker] 15edg2s created 06disallow-unused-false (+1 new commit): 02https://github.com/wikimedia/grunt-banana-checker/commit/514fca54600c
[15:50:46] <github>	 13grunt-banana-checker/06disallow-unused-false 14514fca5 15Ed Sanders: Make disallowUnusedTranslations default to false
[15:51:03] <edsanders>	 James_F, you can merge these then: https://github.com/wikimedia/grunt-banana-checker/pulls
[15:51:06] <James_F>	 Sure.
[15:51:31] <github>	 [13grunt-banana-checker] 15jdforrester pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02https://github.com/wikimedia/grunt-banana-checker/commit/db37d6b489f0d67f695acac70e35ffabbbfc3d43
[15:51:31] <github>	 13grunt-banana-checker/06master 14db37d6b 15James Forrester: Merge pull request #35 from wikimedia/disallow-duplicate-false...
[15:51:36] <James_F>	 edsanders: The second one needs rebasing.
[15:51:45] <edsanders>	 erg
[15:53:15] <github>	 [13grunt-banana-checker] 15edg2s 04force-pushed 06disallow-unused-false from 14514fca5 to 1471880f9: 02https://github.com/wikimedia/grunt-banana-checker/commits/disallow-unused-false
[15:53:15] <github>	 13grunt-banana-checker/06disallow-unused-false 1471880f9 15Ed Sanders: Make disallowUnusedTranslations default to false
[15:54:04] <edsanders>	 marktraceur, where is your code?
[15:55:37] <marktraceur>	 edsanders: Core. Let me grab the docs.
[15:55:52] <edsanders>	 I guess it depends on what we want the workflow to be
[15:56:08] <marktraceur>	 https://doc.wikimedia.org/mediawiki-core/master/js/#!/api/mw.Upload.Dialog is the base class
[15:56:38] <edsanders>	 we'll probably want to create a ve.upload.dialog that extends your one, so that we can register it with our window manager and maybe do other funky things
[15:56:41] <marktraceur>	 edsanders: See also https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/235431/
[15:56:45] <marktraceur>	 Sure.
[15:57:04] <edsanders>	 I imagine the button would be on the page where you currently search for an image
[15:57:07] <marktraceur>	 I have no problem with that, just providing you with an excellent upload tool and letting you run with it is adequate
[15:57:08] <wikibugs>	 10Cite, 10MediaWiki-Parser, 10MediaWiki-extensions-ContentTranslation, 5ContentTranslation-Release6: ContentTranslation created a reference that renders as UNIQ--nowiki-00000007-QINU at [[Google Cardboard]] in he.wikipedia - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T107303#1641818 (10Amire80) Here's a similar exa...
[15:57:30] <edsanders>	 at the moment, finding an image and editing an image is all one dialog with multiple pages
[15:58:05] <edsanders>	 we'd be needing to switch dialogs twice in the process
[15:58:46] <edsanders>	 insert image (ve edit media dialog) -> upload new (mw upload dialog) -> done uploading, edit details (ve edit media dialog)
[16:00:08] <James_F>	 edsanders: Upload as a distinct step?
[16:00:45] <edsanders>	 a distinct step in the media edit dialog, or a completely different process?
[16:00:57] <edsanders>	 I think the latter is not the best user experience
[16:01:03] <edsanders>	 (if it is the only option)
[16:02:15] <James_F>	 Different process at first, maybe?
[16:02:20] <James_F>	 Fastest is easiest. :-)
[16:08:08] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 5WMF-deploy-2015-09-15_(1.26wmf23): Case insensitive regex replace doesn't work - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112659#1641876 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved p:5Triage>3Normal
[16:33:12] <github>	 [13grunt-banana-checker] 15jdforrester closed pull request #36: Make disallowUnusedTranslations default to false (06master...06disallow-unused-false) 02https://github.com/wikimedia/grunt-banana-checker/pull/36
[16:33:22] <github>	 [13grunt-banana-checker] 15jdforrester 04deleted 06disallow-duplicate-false at 14a9d3aad: 02https://github.com/wikimedia/grunt-banana-checker/commit/a9d3aad
[16:53:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Cscott: Change a bunch of parsoid references to acknowledge that RESTBase is sometimes in the middle (031 comment) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238177 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112339) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[17:00:30] <Elitre>	 no standup?
[17:20:10] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS11) 10Divec: WIP: Fix cartouche wrapping glitch with temporary block style on img [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/233740 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T111672) 
[17:25:15] <James_F>	 Elitre: Sorry we were late.
[17:26:49] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 031] "Product/design OK. Let's do this." [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/217257 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91285) (owner: 10Divec)
[17:27:08] <cscott>	 James_F: any feedback from editors about the magic link/isbn changes?
[17:27:31] <James_F>	 cscott: Most like it. Some are a little confused by the change, but that'll settle. Thank you! :-)
[17:28:25] <cscott>	 James_F: there's this little niggle i have where if you type an ISBN it autolinks as a "normal" link, not a special "ISBN" link.  I left it that way because as an ISBN link if you hit backspace after the autolink the whole thing will go away; as a normal link only the trailing character will delete, which seemed a little... more expected?
[17:28:49] <cscott>	 James_F: but I could see changing that.  i was wondering if editors had any opinions on that (or if they noticed it at all)
[17:29:08] <James_F>	 cscott: If you're looking for something VE-esque to do, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/231017/ would be lovely to get reviewed from your POV of what you think is needed. Or, more substantially, serialisation of |upright= image syntax editing would be nice. :-)
[17:29:32] <James_F>	 cscott: I'd noticed, but I don't think anyone else did.
[17:30:54] <cscott>	 it's not that hard to tweak, it's just a multi-repo change because i'd have to refactor the autolink code a little bit in VE, and then hook up to the refactor in ve-mw.  but i wanted to hear from users a bit before i dove into those weeds.
[17:31:38] <cscott>	 i think the best way to review https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/231017/ would be to try to hook it up to my togetherjs code, which had its own transaction serializer.
[17:31:54] <James_F>	 cscott: Leave it for now; want me to file a backlog ticket?
[17:32:34] <cscott>	 James_F: sure, then i can write down exactly what would need to be done, in order to refresh my cache if/when i (or somebody else) returns to it.
[17:33:09] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Links: When auto-linking a typed magic link, make it a special link rather than a normal link - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112675#1642222 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 3NEW
[17:33:17] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Links: When auto-linking a typed magic link, make it a special link rather than a normal link - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112675#1642229 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[17:33:21] <James_F>	 {{done}}
[17:33:23] <cscott>	 James_F: there are those link-navigation-mode changes you were working on, i sort of thought those might be useful in tweaking the magic link ui as well.
[17:34:08] <Elitre>	 nevermind! it actually helped me to remember there's a triage meeting later, since I had to double check the calendar.
[17:34:30] <James_F>	 Elitre: :-)
[17:47:23] <eranroz>	 James_F: did you see my answer in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/237891/ ?
[17:47:36] <Krinkle>	 James_F: Is there a bug about supporting templatedata for generated template names? E.g. {{ {{TNTN|Foo}} | a = 1 }}
[17:47:52] <Krinkle>	 VE is becomign increasingly more unusable because of all transalte gargage everywhere
[17:48:41] <Krinkle>	 I also fail to understand the need for those templates. It seems Commons has multi-lingual templates for years without needing any of that stuff.
[17:48:54] <Krinkle>	 They do it in the main template instead of requiring the page to be changed.
[17:50:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jforrester: MWWelcomeDialog: Switch out graphic for new one [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238501 
[17:50:50] <James_F>	 Krinkle: I was thinking of deleting TNTNTNTNTNT from MW.org.
[17:51:30] <eranroz>	 TNTN is "new" template (2014). we can nominate it for deletion :)
[17:51:35] <James_F>	 eranroz: Oh. In that case you need to fix the order and make it clearer.
[17:52:37] <Krinkle>	 Yeah, but both TNT and TNTN seem utterly redundant. I don't get it.
[17:52:39] <James_F>	 Krenair: Hey, can you review ^^^ please? We used the wrong graphic and I'd like to put the real one out there. :-)
[17:52:42] <James_F>	 Krenair: Indeed.
[17:52:48] <James_F>	 eranroz: We /can/ nominate everything.
[17:53:15] <James_F>	 Krinkle: We handed out translate admin rights to too many people when it's a really serious and delicate job.
[17:55:20] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS6) 10Eranroz: Avoid flickers on talk pages [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/237891 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112366) 
[17:55:37] <James_F>	 eranroz: Also, we should add you to V+2ers.
[17:57:16] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS7) 10Eranroz: Avoid flickers on talk pages [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/237891 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112366) 
[17:57:51] <James_F>	 eranroz: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238506
[17:58:15] <eranroz>	 James_F: 10x
[18:01:50] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Links: When auto-linking a typed magic link, make it a special link rather than a normal link - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112675#1642409 (10cscott) Not too hard, I just didn't do it right away because (a) it involves a little refacto...
[18:07:25] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10SyntaxHighlight: Click out of the SyntaxHighlight inspector closes the inspector, losing data - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112617#1642424 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[18:07:42] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10SyntaxHighlight: Click out of the SyntaxHighlight inspector closes the inspector, losing data - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112617#1640499 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3declined a:3Jdforrester-WMF This is by design – it's what makes it an inspector…
[18:08:33] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools: The latex math inspector jumps around a lot when making mistakes and stopping typing whilst editing large formula - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112610#1642435 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[18:09:08] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10Math: The latex math inspector jumps around a lot when making mistakes and stopping typing whilst editing large formula - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112610#1640393 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[18:10:02] <Krenair>	 James_F, sorry, I'm being pulled away to get something else done. Is that hardcoding of -ltr right..?
[18:10:19] <James_F>	 Krenair: Magic of CSS Janus switches it.
[18:10:27] <Krenair>	 great
[18:12:13] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10Math: The latex math inspector jumps around a lot when making mistakes and stopping typing whilst editing large formula - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112610#1642448 (10Jdforrester-WMF) Making it left-aligned would be out of keeping with everything else, a...
[18:13:18] <James_F>	 eranroz: If you make a new patch (e.g. just edit the commit summary) it should now run your code through the V+2 pipeline.
[18:13:31] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10Math: The LaTeX formula inspector jumps around a lot when making mistakes and stopping typing whilst editing large formula - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112610#1642459 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Normal
[18:14:40] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 5Patch-For-Review: Ugly replacement of edit => edit source for section edit links on page load - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112366#1642474 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3High
[18:14:48] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Alex Monk: [C: 032] MWWelcomeDialog: Switch out graphic for new one [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238501 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[18:14:53] <James_F>	 Ta.
[18:14:55] * Krenair disappears
[18:14:59] <James_F>	 See you Krenair.
[18:18:00] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: MWWelcomeDialog: Switch out graphic for new one [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238501 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[18:18:08] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 10MediaWiki-ResourceLoader, 5Patch-For-Review, and 2 others: Value for citoid-template-type-map.json randomly missing in some languages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93800#1642488 (10Krinkle) a:5Krinkle>3None
[18:20:22] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jforrester: MWWelcomeDialog: Switch out graphic for new one [extensions/VisualEditor] (wmf/1.26wmf23) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238519 
[18:40:53] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10MediaWiki-Categories: Once set, you cannot unset a category-specific sort key without deleting the category and re-adding it - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92632#1642552 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Normal
[18:42:54] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools: After selecting a specific type (Symbols/Accents/Mathematical) from the left panel of the special character dialog, it does not scroll the dialog to the beginning of that section but somewhere in the middle of that li... - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92008#1642563
[18:43:02] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools: After selecting a specific type (Symbols/Accents/Mathematical) from the left panel of the special character dialog, it does not scroll the dialog to the beginning of that section but somewhere in the middle of that li... - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92008#1642568
[18:45:14] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Possible to drop the cursor under the special character tray and interface doesn't scroll on insert, leading to possible confusion - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91823#1642571 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Low
[18:45:21] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Possible to drop the cursor under the special character tray and interface doesn't scroll on insert, leading to possible confusion - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91823#1096955 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[18:46:28] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Media: Image for Audio Clip Resizes - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91574#1642578 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[18:46:30] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10MediaWiki-extensions-TimedMediaHandler, 6Multimedia, 10Parsoid: Inaccurate audio file preview for [[en:Template:Listen]] - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92740#1642579 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[18:48:03] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 10VisualEditor-Tables: Deleting a table should replace it with an empty paragraph, not move the cursor to the previous cursor position - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91353#1642587 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Normal
[18:48:36] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 10VisualEditor-Tables: Deleting a table should replace it with an empty paragraph, not move the cursor to the previous cursor position - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91353#1080685 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3declined a:3Jdforrester-WMF I think the cu...
[18:50:30] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 7Parsoid-Nowiki: Nowiki added around a ref tag with a ref name containing unbalanced quotation marks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91287#1642603 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Jdforrester-WMF This looks like it's now resolved, thanks t...
[18:50:45] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 7Parsoid-Nowiki: Nowiki added around a ref tag with a ref name containing unbalanced quotation marks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91287#1642606 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Normal
[18:57:22] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References: Trying to re-use a reference replacing itself crashes; should instead be a no-op - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90476#1642619 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Low
[18:57:27] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References: Trying to re-use a reference replacing itself crashes; should instead be a no-op - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90476#1059914 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[19:04:27] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 5WMF-deploy-2015-09-15_(1.26wmf23), 7user-notice: Change Welcome dialogue content to more helpful message to new users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112354#1642640 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[19:08:50] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: Disable some parts of the editing interface from IPs and newbies because we don't trust them to use them correctly - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110329#1642662 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Low
[19:09:39] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 10VisualEditor-Tables, 10Parsoid, 7Browser-Support-Firefox: Copying a rendered table into VE missed a |- and other parsing issues - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112394#1642671 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Low
[19:11:43] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile: The dropdown for suggestions inside link inspector scrolls from down to up while applying link to a text in mobile VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112148#1642681 (10Jdforrester-WMF) Pretty sure this is because you're using a mobile-specific sit...
[19:11:50] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile: The dropdown for suggestions inside link inspector scrolls from down to up while applying link to a text in mobile VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112148#1642682 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3declined
[19:13:47] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Interlanguage links should only be visible in the page left column, not among the article's contents, immediately after they're created - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90729#1642686 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[19:13:48] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid: Parsoid does not escape language prefixes in internal link hrefs, causing html2html round-trip failures - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95850#1642687 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[19:15:57] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Remainder of heading irrecoverably removed after deleting part of it - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89972#1642694 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Jdforrester-WMF Seemingly can't reproduce, assuming fixed.
[19:15:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS8) 10Eranroz: Avoid flickers on talk pages [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/237891 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112366) 
[19:17:56] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable: Editing pre-formatted text creates <br> - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T88157#1642700 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Invalid a:3Jdforrester-WMF Without sufficient instructions I can't reproduce despite trying, sorry. If you can give more details I can inve...
[19:18:27] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: when trying to add a link in VisualEditor from the user space to another non-main space in an image caption, an irrelevant HTML tag is added instead - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87350#1642704 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Jdforrester-WMF Almost certainly a Parsoid deploy gl...
[19:18:35] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: when trying to add a link in VisualEditor from the user space to another non-main space in an image caption, an irrelevant HTML tag is added instead - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87350#1642707 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[19:21:38] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: “Uncaught Error: ve.dm.Document.getBranchNodeFromOffset(): offset 14 is out of bounds”, when inserting a media with caption , keeping Gallery inspector open. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87243#1642715 (10Jdforrester-WMF) This was probably fixed in the general changes to closing inspectors...
[19:21:57] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools: “Uncaught Error: ve.dm.Document.getBranchNodeFromOffset(): offset 14 is out of bounds”, when inserting a media with caption , keeping Gallery inspector open. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87243#1642716 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved p:5Triage>3Nor...
[19:22:39] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable: Sometimes linebreaks added when adding a file - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87227#1642722 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Invalid a:3Jdforrester-WMF Per filer.
[19:23:27] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable: Jump with cursor behind the end tag - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86045#1642727 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3declined a:3Jdforrester-WMF Annotation continuation for styling and not for formatting is intentional.
[19:24:33] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: VisualEditor: Handle invalid input for redirect title in meta dialog - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T74971#1642732 (10Jdforrester-WMF) >>! In T74971#1486465, @Krenair wrote: > Right now it shows the red outline around the textbox whe...
[19:25:38] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: If the input for the redirect in the meta dialog is invalid, as well as show a red outline block the user from closing the dialog with a prompt to fix it - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T74971#1642735 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Low
[19:26:45] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: VisualEditor introduces <nowiki> and then breaks template syntax - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T67767#1642742 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Jdforrester-WMF This shouldn't now be happening. Long-since fixed.
[19:26:54] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 5VisualEditor pre-2015 work: VisualEditor introduces <nowiki> and then breaks template syntax - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T67767#1642745 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[19:27:57] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: VisualEditor: allow parameter per line in inserted templates - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71682#1642750 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[19:27:58] <wikibugs>	 10TemplateData, 10Parsoid: Add an option in TemplateData to specify whether parameters for each template should be recorded in wikitext all on one line or with each parameter on a separate line - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T64147#1642751 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[19:29:27] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Links: Move buttons in the link editor away from underneath the input, as they're hidden by the pop-over suggestsions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71690#1642753 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Normal
[19:29:57] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Links, 7Easy, 5Patch-For-Review: Remove "Open" button from link inspectors - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109646#1642763 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[19:29:58] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Links: Move buttons in the link editor away from underneath the input, as they're hidden by the pop-over suggestsions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71690#739027 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[19:31:45] <Elitre>	 My pc froze.
[19:32:10] <Elitre>	 I was about to fix the typo above.
[19:32:43] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Plugins, 10Math, 7Epic: List requirements for a visual VisualEditor plugin tool to add/edit maths blocks - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106310#1642767 (10SalixAlba) >> Are we thinking of a editor for the raw LaTeX or are we looking at some sort of gui like wor...
[19:34:01] <jaufrecht>	 James has zero-bounced the VE Triage list.
[19:34:31] <Elitre>	 I had missed those meetings.
[19:35:21] <jaufrecht>	 In order to reduce the flow of new bugs into the VE Triage list, I propose that we insta-reject any bug reports in which the repro case includes the word "sometimes" or the phrase "and so it came to pass"
[19:36:05] <Elitre>	 Nice joke.
[19:36:44] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Links: Move buttons in the link editor away from underneath the input, as they're hidden by the pop-over suggestions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71690#1642778 (10Elitre)
[19:40:27] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 10Flow: Re-examine the usage of `:` in visualeditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112690#1642789 (10Quiddity) 3NEW
[19:48:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Alex Monk: Change a bunch of parsoid references to acknowledge that RESTBase is sometimes in the middle (031 comment) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238177 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112339) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[19:51:18] * Krenair reappears
[19:54:07] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: If the input for the redirect in the meta dialog is invalid, as well as show a red outline, block the user from closing the dialog with a prompt to fix it - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T74971#1642832 (10Krenair)
[20:01:29] <Krenair>	 James_F, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T74971 is a bit of a pain since the input is in the settings page, but we need to prevent the entire dialog from closing..
[20:02:51] <Krenair>	 Guess I'll have to do something with events to communicate that a page is blocking save
[20:04:46] <James_F>	 Krenair: Yeah, don't worry about it, I moved it to Backlog for a reason.
[20:06:57] <Krenair>	 James_F, also I saw the user education images (M74) updated with the new welcome dialog.. the image is at the top
[20:08:15] <James_F>	 Krenair: Yeah, meh.
[20:08:40] <James_F>	 Krenair: Most of that mock-up is impossible without re-inventing message dialogs.
[20:08:44] <James_F>	 Krenair: I was going to leave it.
[20:08:48] <James_F>	 Good enough for now.
[20:50:43] <cscott>	 James_F, edsanders|away: is there a VE function which collects the annotations for a text range?  For instance, if you insert a character in the middle of some bold face text you should inherit the annotation of the surrounding text.
[20:51:00] <cscott>	 i'm sure there are helpers for this, but i'm not sure where to look for them.
[20:51:16] <RoanKattouw>	 cscott: Try ElementLinearData
[20:52:55] <cscott>	 RoanKattouw: thanks, getAnnotationsFromRange seems like what i'm looking for.
[20:54:59] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah that
[21:02:16] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: Change a bunch of parsoid references to acknowledge that RESTBase is sometimes in the middle (031 comment) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238177 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112339) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[21:05:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: Avoid flickers on talk pages (031 comment) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/237891 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112366) (owner: 10Eranroz)
[21:06:51] <cscott>	 RoanKattouw: ok, now how to I construct a data array where each character is covered by a ve.dm.AnnotationSet ?
[21:07:54] <RoanKattouw>	 There is a utility for that somewhere but I forget where iti s
[21:08:04] <RoanKattouw>	 Maybe in ElementLinearData, or LinearData, or Document, or somehwre
[21:09:48] <RoanKattouw>	 (sorry, I'm busy with something)
[21:27:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Cscott: Refactor ve.ui.LinkAction to allow autolinking to create nodes [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238607 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112675) 
[21:28:55] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Cscott: [PULLTHROUGH] Autolink of magic links should create node not annotation [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238608 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112675) 
[21:28:57] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Cscott: Ensure magic link nodes inherit the annotations of their text [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238609 
[21:30:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Refactor ve.ui.LinkAction to allow autolinking to create nodes [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238607 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112675) (owner: 10Cscott)
[21:40:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS9) 10Eranroz: Server-side replace Edit=>Edit Source on talk NS [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/237891 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112366) 
[21:41:28] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Cscott: Refactor ve.ui.LinkAction to allow autolinking to create nodes [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238607 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112675) 
[21:49:20] <James_F>	 cscott: Tsk, I thought you weren't going to do that for a few months? :-)
[21:50:42] <eranroz>	 is there task in phab to support references defined in reflist template? 
[21:50:59] <MatmaRex>	 yes
[21:51:39] <James_F>	 eranroz: The answer is "good luck", FWIW.
[21:51:40] <MatmaRex>	 eranroz: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T52474
[21:51:55] <cscott>	 James_F: I couldn't help myself.
[21:52:00] <James_F>	 cscott: Tsk. :-)
[21:52:16] <James_F>	 cscott: If you really can't help yourself with anything I suggest, *cough* |upright= *cough*. ;-)
[21:52:23] <cscott>	 James_F: once I'd written down how it should be done, it just seemed like I should go ahead and do it.
[21:52:50] <cscott>	 ouch!  The https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Square_bounding_boxes hurts! ouch! ouch!
[21:53:54] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10SyntaxHighlight: Click out of the SyntaxHighlight inspector closes the inspector, losing data - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112617#1643219 (10Yurik) 5declined>3Open @jdforrester-wmf, this can't be "by design", because it causes significant unexpected behavior and loss of data.  I d...
[21:55:15] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase: Reports of 400 and 500 errors with Parsoid - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112286#1643224 (10GWicke) We are now getting close to 60%. Based on progress so far, the refresh of all old renders should finish less than 48 hours from now.
[21:55:26] <James_F>	 cscott: Given the RfC has been stalled for 18 months, we should implement current behaviour first and then think about it.
[21:56:40] <edsanders>	 cscott, when you insert data with a surfacefragment I think there's an option to preserve annotations
[21:56:42] <cscott>	 we implement current behavior already.  what we don't allow is users to *author* images with the 'upright' flag, because you should never do that.
[21:57:06] <cscott>	 edsanders: i think that preserves annotations from the surrounding content, not annotations from the content you removed.
[21:57:24] <edsanders>	 I think there's some special case code for a replace
[21:57:36] <edsanders>	 I added it recently (months)
[21:58:35] <cscott>	 			// TODO: Don't reach into properties of document
[21:58:35] <cscott>	 			// FIXME: the logic we actually need for annotating inserted content correctly
[21:58:35] <cscott>	 			// is MUCH more complicated
[21:59:14] <James_F>	 cscott: We don't let the users modify upright state either. ;-(
[22:00:10] <cscott>	 edsanders: actually the real reason why we can't use that is because it would apply a link annotation to the link node.
[22:00:27] <cscott>	 James_F: sure we do. when they resize the image, the upright flag is removed.  and the angels rejoice.
[22:01:06] <James_F>	 cscott: That's not working, that's broken.
[22:01:41] <cscott>	 James_F: well, i'm happy to fix the bug there, if there is one.
[22:02:37] <James_F>	 cscott: Until and unless you secure actual agreement to deprecate the upright flag, you should not ever actively intercede and remove user input to stop them using it.
[22:03:13] <edsanders>	 / If we're replacing content, use the annotations selected
[22:03:13] <edsanders>	 / instead of continuing from the left
[22:03:14] <cscott>	 We did get actual agreement to deprecate the upright flag.  Unfortunately, the agreed-upon replacement was not workable.
[22:03:22] <edsanders>	 (surface fragment line 729)
[22:03:24] <edsanders>	 (
[22:03:30] <edsanders>	 #insertContent
[22:03:33] <cscott>	 so we just have to return to the bikeshed to figure out the better replacement.  but everyone agrees that upright is terribly b0rked.
[22:03:49] <James_F>	 cscott: Do they? Did you tell anyone?
[22:03:50] <cscott>	 edsanders: yes, but that will add a link annotation to my link node.  which is ++ungood
[22:03:56] <cscott>	 James_F: it's in the RFC minutes.
[22:35:26] <James_F>	 edsanders: Did you want to merge https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/217257/ for much rejoicing and fun?
[22:36:35] <James_F>	 edsanders: (It's going to need some work to pull through and a huge amount of testing, so I'd really rather get it merged ASAP.)
[23:25:05] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Alex Monk: [C: 032] MWWelcomeDialog: Switch out graphic for new one [extensions/VisualEditor] (wmf/1.26wmf23) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238519 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[23:25:53] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jforrester: MWWelcomeDialog: Split text, tweak styling [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238641 
[23:36:26] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: MWWelcomeDialog: Switch out graphic for new one [extensions/VisualEditor] (wmf/1.26wmf23) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238519 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[23:54:12] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools: After selecting a specific type (Symbols/Accents/Mathematical) from the left panel of the special character dialog, it does not scroll the dialog to the beginning of that section but somewhere in the middle of that li... - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92008#1643583