[00:26:06] <Krinkle>	 James_F: FOUC on template pages: Label names change from bold to unbold, default values change from black-color/unstyled to grey/italic.
[00:26:19] <Krinkle>	 Can you look again?
[00:28:54] <RoanKattouw>	 This would be in TemplateData CSS then?
[00:29:22] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: [Regression ?] Context menu for link inspector does not appear after typinf something after the link unless user goes to next line - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114333#1691823 (10Ryasmeen) 3NEW
[00:29:48] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: [Regression ?] Context menu for link inspector does not appear after typing something after the link unless user goes to next line - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114333#1691832 (10Ryasmeen)
[00:38:07] <James_F>	 Krinkle: Aha, the styles were presumably cached. Sorry, yeah.
[00:38:38] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] "I see it now." [extensions/TemplateData] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242742 (owner: 10Krinkle)
[00:40:07] <krrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Fix FOUC for TemplateData html rendering [extensions/TemplateData] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242742 (owner: 10Krinkle)
[00:45:14] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: build: Upgrade various devDependencies to latest and make pass (032 comments) [extensions/TemplateData] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/239194 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[00:46:09] <krrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Jforrester: build: Upgrade various devDependencies to latest and make pass [extensions/TemplateData] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/239194 
[00:46:19] <krrrit-wm>	 (03PS5) 10Jforrester: build: Upgrade various devDependencies to latest and make pass [extensions/TemplateData] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/239194 
[00:53:33] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 031] Educational popups and highlights for links+citations [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238380 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108620) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[01:13:14] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] Don't render errors in generated content [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242558 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112610) (owner: 10Tchanders)
[01:16:22] <krrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Don't render errors in generated content [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242558 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112610) (owner: 10Tchanders)
[01:16:24] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Alex Monk: [C: 032] Update VE core submodule to master (ca4bd8c) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242366 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[01:18:52] <krrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update VE core submodule to master (ca4bd8c) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242366 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[01:19:11] <krrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jforrester: Update VE core submodule to master (a98e11c) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242777 
[01:19:19] <James_F>	 Krenair: I live to irritate. :-)
[01:20:24] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] Adjust uses of renamed PreviewWidget to PreviewElement [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/240436 (owner: 10Tchanders)
[01:20:35] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Alex Monk: [C: 032] Update VE core submodule to master (a98e11c) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242777 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[01:22:35] <krrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jforrester: [BREAKING CHANGE] PreviewElement: Remove deprecated alias to PreviewWidget [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242778 
[01:33:53] <krrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Adjust uses of renamed PreviewWidget to PreviewElement [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/240436 (owner: 10Tchanders)
[01:33:56] <krrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update VE core submodule to master (a98e11c) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242777 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[02:56:31] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: Cannot resubmit save page form after error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113874#1692031 (10TTO) Is that good UI behaviour though? It's mighty confusing to be able to dismiss the error, but then to be unable to try clicking "save page" again.   I assume VE curren...
[05:14:14] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Legoktm: build: Alter settings to force utf-8 and allow .php5/.inc extensions (031 comment) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/241955 (owner: 10Siebrand)
[05:14:21] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Legoktm: [C: 032] build: Alter settings to force utf-8 and allow .php5/.inc extensions [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/241955 (owner: 10Siebrand)
[05:22:37] <krrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: build: Alter settings to force utf-8 and allow .php5/.inc extensions [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/241955 (owner: 10Siebrand)
[06:10:00] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Siebrand: [C: 031] "i18n/L10n reviewed." [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/240116 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T40030) (owner: 10Esanders)
[09:30:26] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Siebrand: [C: 031] "i18n/L10n reviewed." [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/87322 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T56961) (owner: 10Netbrain)
[09:32:00] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Siebrand: [C: 04-1] "i18n/L10n reviewed. Please add message documentation when adding messages. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/I18n#Message_documentation f" (031 comment) [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/229616 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101246) (owner: 10Kaldari)
[10:29:49] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Browser-Tests, 10Continuous-Integration-Infrastructure: email Amir about VisualEditor language screenshots jobs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90705#1692569 (10zeljkofilipin) a:3zeljkofilipin
[10:32:52] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Browser-Tests, 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 10Continuous-Integration-Infrastructure, and 2 others: Create Jenkins builds for Editing across repositories (MobileFrontend, VisualEditor etc) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90647#1692585 (10zeljkofilipin) @Ryasmeen do you still plan to w...
[10:51:17] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Browser-Tests, 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 10Flow, 10MobileFrontend: Create Jenkins builds for Editing across repositories (MobileFrontend, VisualEditor etc) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90647#1692630 (10hashar)
[11:36:11] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Browser-Tests, 7I18n: language screenshot scenarios should run automatically for languages that have translation above a certain threshold - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90560#1692843 (10zeljkofilipin)
[11:41:32] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Make it easier to drop references after dragging them - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114355#1692858 (10Elitre) 3NEW
[11:44:05] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Make it easier to drop references after dragging them in a row of references - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114355#1692858 (10Elitre)
[11:56:34] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor, 10Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown, 7Browser-Support-Internet-Explorer: Missing WikiEditor panel (in IE8 with compatibility mode?) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114323#1692907 (10Aklapper)
[11:58:21] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor, 10Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown, 7Browser-Support-Internet-Explorer: Missing WikiEditor panel (in IE8 with compatibility mode?) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114323#1691429 (10Aklapper) Trying to track down potential factors, what are your settings on https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciál...
[12:00:30] <krrrit-wm>	 (03PS6) 10Esanders: [WIP/NEVERMERGE] VE support for a non-existent maps extension [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242637 
[12:03:19] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] [WIP/NEVERMERGE] VE support for a non-existent maps extension [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242637 (owner: 10Esanders)
[12:13:17] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 10Browser-Tests: VisualEditor: Inserting some content in a QA script doesn't round-trip (null diff) - failure to inserting CE content into DM somehow? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55721#1692983 (10zeljkofilipin)
[12:14:46] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Browser-Tests: VisualEditor screenshots-taking tests should link to the job that uploaded them from the file description page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78647#1692993 (10zeljkofilipin)
[12:28:47] <krrrit-wm>	 (03PS7) 10Esanders: [WIP/NEVERMERGE] VE support for a non-existent maps extension [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242637 
[12:29:31] <krrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Esanders: DimensionsWidget: Fix alignment of labels [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242868 
[12:31:10] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] [WIP/NEVERMERGE] VE support for a non-existent maps extension [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242637 (owner: 10Esanders)
[12:32:43] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor, 10Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown, 7Browser-Support-Internet-Explorer: Missing WikiEditor panel (in IE8 with compatibility mode?) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114323#1693018 (10Vojtech.dostal)    -     Show edit toolbar (Ukázat panel nástrojů při editaci)   -     Enable enhanced editing to...
[12:36:44] <krrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Esanders: MWExtensionNode: Copy mw data before modifying [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242871 
[13:27:27] <Krenair>	 >>> console.log( undefined );
[13:27:27] <ecmabot-wm>	 Krenair: undefined; Console: undefined
[13:27:44] <Krenair>	 >>> String( undefined );
[13:27:45] <ecmabot-wm>	 Krenair: (string) 'undefined'
[13:27:46] <Krenair>	 Useful.
[13:28:11] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Alex Monk: [C: 032] MWExtensionNode: Copy mw data before modifying [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242871 (owner: 10Esanders)
[13:35:00] <krrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: MWExtensionNode: Copy mw data before modifying [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242871 (owner: 10Esanders)
[14:14:05] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: "Visual anchoring" for images - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114369#1693314 (10Elitre)
[14:14:38] <Elitre>	 meh. didn't manage to provide a good TL;DR for this one.
[14:18:10] <krrrit-wm>	 (03PS8) 10Esanders: [WIP/NEVERMERGE] VE support for a non-existent maps extension [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242637 
[14:20:54] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] [WIP/NEVERMERGE] VE support for a non-existent maps extension [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242637 (owner: 10Esanders)
[14:36:24] <krrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Esanders: GeneractedContentNode: Introduce new hash for rendering [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242894 
[14:59:07] <krrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Esanders: MWExtenionNode: Ensure objects are deep copied when used in the hash [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242901 
[14:59:23] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Esanders: [C: 04-1] "Still testing edge cases." [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242894 (owner: 10Esanders)
[15:05:37] <krrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Tchanders: Call updatePreview when closing the LiveExtensionInspector [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242902 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113078) 
[15:14:16] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Esanders: [C: 032] Call updatePreview when closing the LiveExtensionInspector [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242902 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113078) (owner: 10Tchanders)
[15:16:43] <krrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Call updatePreview when closing the LiveExtensionInspector [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242902 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113078) (owner: 10Tchanders)
[15:16:49] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tchanders: [C: 032] [BREAKING CHANGE] PreviewElement: Remove deprecated alias to PreviewWidget [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242778 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[15:20:19] <krrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: [BREAKING CHANGE] PreviewElement: Remove deprecated alias to PreviewWidget [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242778 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[15:21:40] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Suggest images used in interwiki articles - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114233#1693504 (10Elitre)
[15:25:29] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tchanders: [C: 032] MWExtenionNode: Ensure objects are deep copied when used in the hash [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242901 (owner: 10Esanders)
[15:27:07] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: When a wikilink is the first element on a page, don't automatically open the link inspector - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114376#1693530 (10Elitre) 3NEW
[15:28:03] <krrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: MWExtenionNode: Ensure objects are deep copied when used in the hash [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242901 (owner: 10Esanders)
[15:28:06] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: When a wikilink is the first element on a page, don't launch the link inspector automatically - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114376#1693540 (10Elitre)
[15:28:24] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Initialisation, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 10Parsoid, and 2 others: Store & load data-mw separately - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78676#1693543 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[15:28:44] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-DataModel, 7Epic, 7Technical-Debt: VisualEditor: Reunify data and metadata - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T56299#1693544 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[15:28:57] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 10VisualEditor-DataModel, 7Epic, 7Technical-Debt: Augment ve.Range with annotation boundary side information - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113361#1693545 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[15:29:52] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10RESTBase, 7Epic, 7user-notice: VisualEditor: Provide a way for the user to switch between VisualEditor and wikitext source editor modes without saving - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T49779#1693548 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Low>3High
[15:30:05] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable: VisualEditor: Sometimes it's somehow possible for VE/Parsoid to insert a <br> at the start of a heading - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T53444#1693549 (10cscott) The original document was serialized with the `<br/>`: ``` $ (echo 'foo' ; echo; echo '<!--commen...
[15:30:14] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 10VisualEditor-DataModel, 7Epic: VE should translate <span style="font-weight: bold">...</span> into <b>...</b> - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93081#1693550 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[15:36:24] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: When a wikilink is the first element on a page, don't launch the link inspector automatically - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114376#1693564 (10Jdforrester-WMF) This has been requested before, and is a Decline. There is by design no way to not show the context menu; it's the context.
[15:36:34] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: When a wikilink is the first element on a page, don't launch the link context menu automatically - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114376#1693565 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[15:49:48] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable: VisualEditor: Sometimes it's somehow possible for VE/Parsoid to insert a <br> at the start of a heading - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T53444#1693593 (10Jdforrester-WMF) Would fixing the PHP Parser require us to have replaced Tidy first, then?
[16:10:51] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Cscott: [C: 032] Change a bunch of parsoid references to acknowledge that RESTBase is sometimes in the middle (031 comment) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238177 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112339) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[16:14:32] <krrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Change a bunch of parsoid references to acknowledge that RESTBase is sometimes in the middle [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/238177 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112339) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[16:25:30] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10Math: The LaTeX formula inspector jumps around a lot when making mistakes and stopping typing whilst editing large formula - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112610#1693732 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Tchanders
[16:27:58] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase, 6Services: Change VisualEditor's error logging to not assume all VRS errors are Parsoid errors - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112339#1693748 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved
[16:29:22] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: When a wikilink is the first element on a page, don't launch the link context menu automatically - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114376#1693764 (10Elitre) It feels weird and annoying though, as of course I'm not necessarily editing the page to change that link (or other links for that matter...
[16:34:38] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Browser-Tests, 10Continuous-Integration-Infrastructure, 5Patch-For-Review: Add Amir to browsertests-VisualEditor-language-screenshot-os_x_10.10-firefox e-mail notifications - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90705#1693808 (10zeljkofilipin)
[16:50:59] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Esanders: "FIXME: See inline comment." (031 comment) [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242558 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112610) (owner: 10Tchanders)
[16:52:27] <James_F>	 edsanders: Whoops.
[16:53:05] <edsanders>	 James_F, yes - steady with the +2 hammer
[16:53:21] <James_F>	 edsanders: Aye.
[17:01:41] <krrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jforrester: Follow-up c02882c: Don't break non-GCNs [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242923 
[17:04:03] <wikibugs>	 10Cite, 10Parsoid, 7user-notice: Show an error if a named <ref> is defined multiple times - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85386#1693913 (10matmarex) 5Open>3Resolved
[17:05:08] <wikibugs>	 10Cite, 10Parsoid, 7user-notice: Show an error if a named <ref> is defined multiple times - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85386#945596 (10matmarex) The change has been merged and will be deployed to Wikimedia wikis between 6 and 8 October with MediaWiki version 1.27.0-wmf.2, per the schedule at https://...
[17:08:04] <kaldari>	 Does David Chan use IRC? He doesn't have any IRC handle listed in the office contact list?
[17:08:13] <MatmaRex>	 kaldari: divec
[17:08:29] <kaldari>	 thanks
[17:10:38] <kaldari>	 hmm, idle for 3 days. Guess he's on vacation? Don't see anything in his calendar.
[17:29:27] <RoanKattouw>	 kaldari: David isn't on IRC much, if you wanna contact him it's best to use Hangouts chat
[17:35:44] <James_F>	 kaldari: Anything I could help with in his stead?
[17:37:02] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: Don't render errors in generated content (031 comment) [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242558 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112610) (owner: 10Tchanders)
[18:40:07] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 5Patch-For-Review, 7user-notice: On user's first use of VE-MW, provide a couple of educational pop-ups for links and for citations with some toolbar highlights to trigger them - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108620#1694339 (10Quiddity)
[18:40:27] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10MediaWiki-extensions-GuidedTour, 7Design, and 2 others: Offer new users of VisualEditor a short guided tour - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89074#1694340 (10Quiddity)
[18:59:30] <James_F>	 Kemayo: Don't fret about the big argument in -office. It's traditional. :-)
[19:00:34] <Kemayo>	 Conveniently for my adjusting, my previous job had a community with strong opinions as well. :D
[19:01:31] <James_F>	 :-)
[19:11:01] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor, 10Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown, 7Browser-Support-Internet-Explorer: Missing WikiEditor panel (in IE8 with compatibility mode?) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114323#1694457 (10Davcza) sorry, I am at the moment not at my computer, so I cannot respond to your suggestions. Probably tommorow.
[19:32:42] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase: Implement something similar to the RESTBase 'section' API to provide wikitext structure information - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114402#1694434 (10cscott)
[19:33:18] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase: Implement something similar to the RESTBase 'section' API to provide wikitext structure information - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114402#1694434 (10cscott) (I added the VisualEditor project, perhaps @Jdforrester-WMF can change that to the appropriate project for...
[19:36:17] <krrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Alex Monk: Don't log targets for non-desktop targets [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242952 
[19:37:00] <krrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Alex Monk: Hack to stop logging edit events for non-desktop targets [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242952 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110272) 
[19:40:16] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid: API call which gives the rendering of a data-mw node from the data-mw & tyepof - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114409#1694589 (10Esanders) 3NEW
[19:53:16] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid: API call which gives the rendering of a data-mw node from the data-mw & tyepof - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114409#1694648 (10cscott)
[19:55:05] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid: API call which gives the rendering of a data-mw node from the data-mw & tyepof - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114409#1694589 (10cscott) I don't think you really want the data-mw property, since that has the arguments in wikitext form.  You want to provide a JSON structure with...
[19:55:12] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid: API call which gives the rendering of a data-mw node from the data-mw & tyepof - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114409#1694654 (10GWicke) It might make sense to frame this as a special html2html mode, with flags on what to focus on (re-expand transclusions, in this case).
[19:56:55] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid: API call which gives the rendering of a data-mw node from the data-mw & tyepof - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114409#1694659 (10cscott) @gwicke that makes sense, except it would also implicitly enable the "addHTMLTemplateParameters" flag since I think VE would want to pass the...
[19:58:33] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Alex Monk: "(haven't actually tested this)" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242952 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110272) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[19:59:21] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid: API call which gives the rendering of a data-mw node from the data-mw & tyepof - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114409#1694589 (10GWicke)
[20:04:03] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor, 10Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown, 7Browser-Support-Internet-Explorer: Missing WikiEditor panel (in IE8 with compatibility mode?) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114323#1694719 (10Davcza) BTW, I tried to enable/disable those 3 parametres in my settings on wikipedia  (I must stress that now I...
[20:08:51] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tchanders: [C: 032] Follow-up c02882c: Don't break non-GCNs [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242923 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[20:09:03] <James_F>	 Thalia: Thank you.
[20:09:30] <Thalia>	 James_F, No, thank you!
[20:09:59] <James_F>	 cscott: Changing channels, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104479 specifically. :-)
[20:10:26] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase: Implement something similar to the RESTBase 'section' API to provide wikitext structure information - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114402#1694746 (10cscott)
[20:11:08] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase: Implement something similar to the RESTBase 'section' API to provide wikitext structure information - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114402#1694750 (10cscott)
[20:11:09] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 7Design, 7Epic: Provide a modern wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104479#1694749 (10cscott)
[20:11:50] <cscott>	 James_F: i stuck the API task on the blocked by list for T104479; feel free to remove it if we later decide an API isn't necessary or not the right way to do it, of course.
[20:11:53] <krrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Follow-up c02882c: Don't break non-GCNs [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242923 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[20:12:03] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 7Design, 7Epic: Provide a modern wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104479#1694754 (10Jdforrester-WMF) > cscott added a blocking task: T114402: Implement something similar to the RESTBase 'section' API to provide wikitext structure information.  I...
[20:12:36] <James_F>	 cscott: Ha, passing ships. :-)
[20:13:15] <cscott>	 phabricator tends not to be the smartest about conflicts.
[20:13:29] <James_F>	 Yeah.
[20:13:38] <James_F>	 Somebody Else's Problem™.
[20:14:53] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 7Design, 7Epic: Provide a modern wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104479#1694774 (10cscott) I stuck the API task T114402 on the blocked by list for now; feel free to remove it (or move it to a specific feature task, like "collapsable sections")...
[20:15:02] <James_F>	 cscott: Played with https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/229567/ ?
[20:16:38] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 7Design, 7Epic: Provide a modern wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104479#1694787 (10Jdforrester-WMF) WFM.
[20:16:42] <cscott>	 nope, just remembered the wikimania slides
[20:17:02] <cscott>	 i'll add it to my list of things to play with in my copious free time
[20:17:37] <James_F>	 :-)
[20:18:50] <cscott>	 Does "POS" in that commit message tag mean what I think it does?
[20:18:54] <James_F>	 :-)
[20:19:16] <James_F>	 Prototype Offering Succour. Obviously.
[20:22:35] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase: Implement something similar to the RESTBase 'section' API to provide wikitext structure information - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114402#1694814 (10cscott)
[20:22:55] <cscott>	 Piece of Software
[20:23:13] <RoanKattouw>	 POC is ambiguous
[20:23:27] <cscott>	 Pile Of Concepts?
[20:31:11] <James_F>	 RoanKattouw: Plenitudinous Olfactory Sensations?
[20:35:02] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor, 10Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown, 7Browser-Support-Internet-Explorer: Missing WikiEditor panel (in IE8 with compatibility mode?) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114323#1694892 (10Mormegil) I am able to reproduce this behavior on cswiki using IE11 with developer toolbar and IE9 emulation:   1...
[21:07:18] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Phlogiston: Create third version of VE burnup report - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T107482#1695098 (10ggellerman)
[21:07:19] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Phlogiston, 3Team-Practices-This-Week: Create an article/essay version of the charts - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110081#1695097 (10ggellerman) 5Open>3Resolved
[21:08:28] <ferdbold>	 Anyone know how I can get rid of this? http://i.imgur.com/vd6W0BM.png
[21:08:53] <ferdbold>	 Provisioning doesn't cut it, updating mw-vagrant itself doesn't either, reloading nada... I'm out of ideas :/
[21:11:22] <Krenair>	 can you connect to parsoid?
[21:11:37] <Krenair>	 I don't know whether vagrant uses restbase or not, but checking parsoid is a good first step
[21:12:52] <bd808>	 I don't remember if restbase is on by default now or not, but I know there was a fix for a restbase config bug in mw-vagrant that just merged about a hour and half ago
[21:12:56] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Beta-Cluster: 503 flooding in Beta Cluster, cant add any link in VisualEditor, red highlight appearing over any image - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114429#1695139 (10Ryasmeen) 3NEW
[21:16:27] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Beta-Cluster: 503 flooding in Beta Cluster, cant add any link in VisualEditor, red highlight appearing over any image - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114429#1695167 (10greg) most likely dupe of {T114417}
[21:22:16] <ferdbold>	 well I can access /w/api.php, but I'm not exactly sure what I should be looking for
[21:23:34] <RoanKattouw>	 It probably means Parsoid is misconfigured
[21:23:54] <RoanKattouw>	 Parsoid recently removed support for their v1 API, so if your Parsoid config is old-style, it'll break
[21:24:11] <RoanKattouw>	 Check your Parsoid's localsettings.js , to see if it uses setInterwiki() or setMwApi()
[21:24:16] <RoanKattouw>	 (The latter is the new style)
[21:25:23] <ferdbold>	 Oh, all my Parsoid dir has is actually an UNUSED_REPO file, has it been moved? it's listed as an active role in my config
[21:27:03] <James_F>	 ferdbold: Parsoid extension or Parsoid service?
[21:27:51] <ferdbold>	 Parsoid extension (crap, gotta go. I'll ~try to~ fix this later tonight)
[21:28:18] <James_F>	 See you!
[21:32:19] <krrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jforrester: Update VE core submodule to master (54ec246) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/243029 
[21:35:14] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Update VE core submodule to master (54ec246) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/243029 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[21:36:06] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable: VisualEditor: Sometimes it's somehow possible for VE/Parsoid to insert a <br> at the start of a heading - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T53444#1695262 (10ssastry) Maybe worth handling this in the normalization routines.
[21:43:25] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: "recheck" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/243029 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[21:43:35] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable: VisualEditor: Sometimes it's somehow possible for VE/Parsoid to insert a <br> at the start of a heading - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T53444#1695307 (10cscott) WYSIWYG is tricky here.  In this case, the user clearly saw the entire paragraph, including the n...
[21:45:24] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Update VE core submodule to master (54ec246) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/243029 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[21:46:16] <wikibugs>	 10Cite, 10Parsoid, 5WMF-deploy-2015-10-06_(1.27.0-wmf.2), 7user-notice: Show an error if a named <ref> is defined multiple times - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85386#1695316 (10Quiddity) Please update https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Cite with whatever the new error message is. Thanks :)
[21:50:09] <krrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update VE core submodule to master (54ec246) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/243029 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[21:50:45] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 6Community-Tech: Add Citoid support to RefToolbar gadget - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114156#1695328 (10kaldari)
[21:51:52] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable: VisualEditor: Sometimes it's somehow possible for VE/Parsoid to insert a <br> at the start of a heading - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T53444#1695331 (10ssastry) Unless it advances the consistency of parsing, I am not convinced this is worth a lot of effort...
[22:08:16] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Beta-Cluster: 503 flooding in Beta Cluster, cant add any link in VisualEditor, red highlight appearing over any image - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114429#1695437 (10Jdforrester-WMF) The VE thing is unrelated.
[22:09:57] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 6Community-Tech: Add Citoid support to RefToolbar gadget - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114156#1695439 (10kaldari)
[22:12:13] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Beta-Cluster: 503 flooding in Beta Cluster, cant add any link in VisualEditor, red highlight appearing over any image - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114429#1695442 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[22:12:42] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Beta-Cluster: 503 flooding in Beta Cluster, cant add any link in VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114429#1695448 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[22:13:50] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 6Community-Tech: Add Citoid support to RefToolbar gadget - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114156#1695451 (10kaldari) It looks like the output of the Citoid API varies considerably depending on what type of URL is used. For example, if the URL is for a book chapter (http://link.springer.com/chapte...
[22:23:38] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Parsing-Team, 10Parsoid: [RFC] Introduce notion of DOM scopes in wikitext - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114444#1695497 (10ssastry) 3NEW
[22:27:37] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Parsing-Team, 10Parsoid: [RFC] Introduce notion of DOM scopes in wikitext - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114444#1695515 (10ssastry)
[22:34:23] <Krenair>	 huh, the blank error notification shown in MF when stuff is broken on loading VE is not very helpful
[22:37:45] <krrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Alex Monk: Hack to stop logging edit events for non-desktop targets [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242952 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110272) 
[22:39:51] <krrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Esanders: GeneractedContentNode: Introduce new hash for rendering [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242894 
[22:48:00] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Parsing-Team, 10Parsoid: [RFC] Introduce notion of DOM scopes in wikitext - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114444#1695624 (10cscott) Whoops, I think this is at least a partial dup of {T114445}, which I think I was writing at the same time you were writing this.
[22:48:03] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Citoid Extension/VisualEditor doesn't handle Citations for book chapters correctly - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114450#1695626 (10kaldari) 3NEW
[22:49:34] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Citoid/VisualEditor doesn't handle Citations for book chapters correctly - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114450#1695643 (10kaldari)
[22:52:54] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Parsing-Team, 10Parsoid: [RFC] Introduce notion of DOM scopes in wikitext - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114444#1695651 (10ssastry) >>! In T114444#1695624, @cscott wrote: > Whoops, I think this is at least a partial dup of {T114445}, which I think I was writing at the same time you wer...
[22:54:04] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Parsing-Team, 10Parsoid: [RFC] Introduce notion of DOM scopes in wikitext - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114444#1695661 (10cscott) Works for me.  Let's let T114445 be all the "controversial" questions that require broader discussion; this task can be narrowly focused on implementation.
[22:54:14] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Citoid/VisualEditor doesn't handle Citations for book chapters correctly - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114450#1695662 (10kaldari) The easiest solution would probably be to change the output of the Citoid API in the case of book chapters: "title":"A Book", "chapterTitle":"A Chap...
[23:36:27] <krrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Esanders: GeneractedContentNode: Introduce new hash for rendering [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242894 
[23:44:07] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Citoid/VisualEditor doesn't handle citations for book chapters correctly - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114450#1695791 (10kaldari)
[23:45:56] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 10Parsoid, 7Parsoid-Token-Stream-Transforms, and 2 others: Batch Parsoid's API requests - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T45888#1695793 (10GWicke) 12-hour median latencies as seen by RESTBase in the last days:  P99: {F2651940}  Mean: {F2651943}
[23:47:57] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 6Community-Tech: Add Citoid support to RefToolbar gadget - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114156#1695797 (10kaldari) FWIW, it seems that Mr.Z-Man (Alex) has possibly retired from Wikipedia. He hasn't edited any projects or touched any of his tools in GitHub for the past couple months. If someone...
[23:48:11] <krrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Alex Monk: Hack to stop logging edit events for non-desktop targets [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242952 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110272) 
[23:48:27] <krrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Alex Monk: "Should probably merge Ic8c9eeba first" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/242952 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110272) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[23:48:43] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: [Regression pre-wmf.2] Wrong LaTeX formula still renders as correct one after editing - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114453#1695801 (10Ryasmeen) 3NEW
[23:52:36] <ferdbold>	 Now that restbase is required for VE, should I still keep parsoid role enabled?
[23:54:32] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10Math, 5WMF-deploy-2015-10-06_(1.27.0-wmf.2): The LaTeX formula inspector jumps around a lot when making mistakes and stopping typing whilst editing large formula - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112610#1695827 (10Ryasmeen) This has introduced some side eff...
[23:54:50] <ferdbold>	 Since I've enabled restbase I'm now getting this whenever I try to open VE http://i.imgur.com/2iYDB5K.png (still, an upgrade since now I can see the VE toolbar pop up before it bugs out)
[23:55:14] <Krenair>	 ferdbold, restbase is required for VE?
[23:55:22] <Krenair>	 I don't think that's true
[23:55:46] <ferdbold>	 Oh, that's what I thought from my chat with you and Roan earlier
[23:56:06] <Krenair>	 it can optionally go via restbase instead of directly to parsoid
[23:57:01] <ferdbold>	 what would be a good way to check if my parsoid is up and running?
[23:57:01] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: [Regression pre-wmf.2] There is no way to edit a wrong LaTeX formula from VE since, it not appearing as an inspectable node with context menu over it - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114455#1695839 (10Catrope)
[23:57:33] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: [Regression pre-wmf.2] There is no way to edit a wrong LaTeX formula from VE since it is not appearing as an inspectable node with context menu over it - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114455#1695840 (10Ryasmeen)
[23:57:49] <Krenair>	 ferdbold, try to connect to it via your web browser or curl or something
[23:59:31] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10Math, 7Verified, 5WMF-deploy-2015-10-06_(1.27.0-wmf.2): The LaTeX formula inspector jumps around a lot when making mistakes and stopping typing whilst editing large formula - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112610#1695843 (10Ryasmeen)
[23:59:36] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 10Parsoid, 7Parsoid-Token-Stream-Transforms, and 2 others: Batch Parsoid's API requests - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T45888#1695844 (10ssastry) You need to account for the spikiness in the load too. see http://grafana.wikimedia.org/#/dashboard/db/parsoid-t...