[00:39:27] thedj: yes, but i don't think the actual code respects that option yet. [01:04:50] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 5Patch-For-Review, 7Verified, and 2 others: Switching to edit source giving blank page when I have option "Show me both editors" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T120987#1883536 (10Ryasmeen) [02:08:25] 10VisualEditor: Remove non-requested human testicles from user test pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121613#1883655 (10Teles) 3NEW [02:09:50] (03CR) 10Krinkle: [C: 04-1] "Copying it ahead of time doesn't make sense. If and when that happens, it can be copied in that commit." (031 comment) [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/258674 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T25914) (owner: 10Paladox) [02:10:21] lol, that's unfortunate [08:34:20] (03CR) 10DLynch: Annotation context items: expand the selection if no annotations (031 comment) [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259216 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119923) (owner: 10DLynch) [08:34:20] I keep failing to publish my draft comments. [08:34:21] (03CR) 10DLynch: [C: 032] "I feel that cloneFromRange and cloneSliceFromRange are at best ambiguous in their differences from their names... but this change of itsel" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259253 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121488) (owner: 10Esanders) [08:34:23] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: ExtensionPreviewDialog: Use a deep copy when preparing sub-doc for editing [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259253 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121488) (owner: 10Esanders) [09:41:23] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10MediaWiki-Gallery: [Regression] Galleries are not displaying correctly in VisualEditor (one image per row with large gaps, rather than multiple images per row) due to wrapping CSS - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121557#1883945 (10Esanders) The CSS may be a... [09:45:40] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Media, 6Multimedia, and 2 others: Give guidance in the new upload form, to prevent the most common errors - e.g. bad file titles - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T116086#1883952 (10matmarex) [09:53:48] 10VisualEditor: defeature __NOEDITSECTION__ from VE - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100691#1883969 (10hashar) >>! In T100691#1882788, @IKhitron wrote: > So, the bug will remain forever? The `NOEDITSECTION` keyword is a feature of MediaWiki itself and VisualEditor just implements the possibility for people... [10:34:52] (03PS3) 10Zfilipin: WIP [BrowserTest] Fix broken browser test [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/252409 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94162) [10:57:23] (03PS4) 10Zfilipin: WIP [BrowserTest] Fix broken browser test [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/252409 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94162) [11:03:26] 10VisualEditor, 7Browser-Tests, 5Patch-For-Review: Delete or fix failed VisualEditor browsertests Jenkins jobs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94162#1884172 (10zeljkofilipin) a:3zeljkofilipin [11:10:38] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10WikiEditor, 6Editing-Department, and 6 others: To help desktop users ensure pages look OK for mobile, let them "preview" how it will look as they edit on desktop, regardless of editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119252#1884182 (10Tbayer) See also the gad... [12:31:34] (03CR) 10Paladox: Use the same icon as the russian for the ukraine (031 comment) [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/258674 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T25914) (owner: 10Paladox) [12:32:40] (03PS4) 10Paladox: Use the same icon as the russian for the ukraine [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/258674 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T25914) [12:37:53] (03CR) 10Paladox: "Yes currently Ukraine gets English as fallback but has a workaround in js so the icons are replaced with Russian but using js." [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/258674 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T25914) (owner: 10Paladox) [12:45:45] 10VisualEditor, 6Editing-Department, 10MediaWiki-extensions-ContentTranslation, 7Design, 7Epic: [Epic] replace plain contenteditable with VisualEditor in ContentTranslation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105447#1884309 (10Amire80) [12:59:48] 10VisualEditor, 6Editing-Department, 10MediaWiki-extensions-ContentTranslation, 7Design, and 2 others: [Epic] replace plain contenteditable with VisualEditor in ContentTranslation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105447#1884335 (10Amire80) [13:14:07] 10VisualEditor: There is no Foo: stop requesting it - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121636#1884349 (10Nikerabbit) 3NEW [13:18:13] (03PS1) 10Esanders: Move white-space: pre-wrap hack to ContentBranchNode [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259488 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121557) [13:22:08] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Move white-space: pre-wrap hack to ContentBranchNode [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259488 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121557) (owner: 10Esanders) [13:22:39] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 6Community-Tech: HotCat doesn't load after saving a page in VisualEditor (must refresh/reload first) [AOI] - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103285#1884374 (10TheDJ) [14:02:08] (03PS2) 10Esanders: Move white-space:pre-wrap hack to ContentBranchNode [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259488 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121557) [14:04:10] 10VisualEditor, 10Graph: VE GraphNode tests are failing - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121638#1884415 (10Esanders) 3NEW a:3ferdbold [14:06:25] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Move white-space:pre-wrap hack to ContentBranchNode [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259488 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121557) (owner: 10Esanders) [14:07:59] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Media: No search results when Media dialog opens (even when images exist) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T118708#1884427 (10Esanders) 5stalled>3Resolved a:3Esanders Closing until we get more reports. [14:09:36] (03CR) 10Esanders: [C: 032] Annotation context items: expand the selection if no annotations [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259216 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119923) (owner: 10DLynch) [14:09:51] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 10VisualEditor-Links, 5Patch-For-Review: Clicking the 'remove' button in the link context doesn't work if the cursor is at the beginning of the link text - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119923#1884433 (10Esanders) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Esanders [14:10:52] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Media, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References: [Regression wmf.9] In TargetWidgets, text has no left margin - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121450#1884438 (10Esanders) [14:13:25] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Annotation context items: expand the selection if no annotations [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259216 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119923) (owner: 10DLynch) [14:37:30] (03PS1) 10Esanders: MWTarget: Only add ve-init-mw-target-surface to the main target surface [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259497 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121450) [14:55:09] (03PS1) 10Mvolz: Use basefields query parameter in citoid req [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259499 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114515) [14:55:48] Krenair: hey would you mind changing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Citoid-template-type-map.json bookSection -> "Citation" for me? It's a bad match as it puts the title of the chapter as the title of the book. Citation will be a minor improvement currently and a big improvement when above change goes through. [14:57:51] bleh. actually still a problem. dammit [14:58:08] nvm [14:58:39] it does the same thing. I think the only solution is to create a bookChapter template that's basically a copy of Citation [15:02:16] (03PS1) 10Esanders: Unbreak build from i18n-bot self merging [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259500 [15:04:29] can someone merge this ^^ [15:09:50] (03CR) 10Esanders: [C: 032] "unbreaking i18n-bot self merge" [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259500 (owner: 10Esanders) [15:14:57] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Unbreak build from i18n-bot self merging [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259500 (owner: 10Esanders) [15:15:51] (03PS3) 10Esanders: Move white-space:pre-wrap hack to ContentBranchNode [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259488 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121557) [15:18:30] (03PS4) 10Florianschmidtwelzow: Use mw.widgets.DateInputWidget or ToggleSwitchWidget for parameters with appropriate type [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/246862 [16:30:11] 10VisualEditor: defeature __NOEDITSECTION__ from VE - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100691#1884741 (10eranroz) As I shows in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100691#1320853 __NOEDITSECTION__ is not being used in main namespace, though it is cool to have NOEDITSECTION in VE for talk pages... [17:35:10] (03CR) 10Alex Monk: "Hi Marielle. Unfortunately I don't think I know enough about Citoid right now to review this. Is there no one else who would be better? If" [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259499 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114515) (owner: 10Mvolz) [17:35:32] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 10VisualEditor-Links: Clicking the 'remove' button in the link context doesn't work if the cursor is at the beginning of the link text - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119923#1884954 (10DLynch) a:5Esanders>3DLynch [17:36:41] Could someone nudge https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/259216/ now that the "unbreaking the build" patch landed? [18:13:12] (03PS3) 10DLynch: Annotation context items: expand the selection if no annotations [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259216 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119923) [18:17:03] (03CR) 10Divec: [C: 032] Annotation context items: expand the selection if no annotations [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259216 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119923) (owner: 10DLynch) [18:20:46] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Annotation context items: expand the selection if no annotations [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259216 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119923) (owner: 10DLynch) [18:48:59] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 3Google-Code-In-2015: Use en dash instead of hyphen-minus between page numbers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113570#1885172 (10Aklapper) >>! In T113570#1861631, @Mvolz wrote: > @Aklapper, can you unpublish this one? I tagged it but it's not really suitable as you can see ther... [18:55:36] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Use en dash instead of hyphen-minus between page numbers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113570#1885192 (10Aklapper) [18:58:02] 10TemplateData: Pressing Escape in the GUI editor shouldn't lose all my work - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121673#1885209 (10Whatamidoing-WMF) 3NEW [19:02:47] 10VisualEditor: Remove non-requested human testicles from user test pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121613#1885264 (10Esanders) I have long thought that auto-completing the image search query with the page title wasn't that useful. I'd rather we should personal user uploads or nothing, this seems like... [19:15:57] 10Citoid, 3Google-Code-In-2015: Add scraping of Highwire Press tags to html-metadata node library - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T118633#1885352 (10Neonowy) a:3Neonowy [19:47:45] (03CR) 10Esanders: [C: 032] DesktopArticleTarget: Change tab text on server side when possible [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/258230 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T120970) (owner: 10Alex Monk) [19:51:05] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: DesktopArticleTarget: Change tab text on server side when possible [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/258230 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T120970) (owner: 10Alex Monk) [20:03:01] (03CR) 10DLynch: [C: 032] MWTarget: Only add ve-init-mw-target-surface to the main target surface [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259497 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121450) (owner: 10Esanders) [20:06:35] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: MWTarget: Only add ve-init-mw-target-surface to the main target surface [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259497 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121450) (owner: 10Esanders) [20:40:25] (03CR) 10TheDJ: ""The russian icon is currently in the process of being changed"" [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/258674 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T25914) (owner: 10Paladox) [20:41:55] (03CR) 10TheDJ: [C: 032] Use mw. instead of mediaWiki. in code [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/258748 (owner: 10Gerrit Patch Uploader) [20:43:45] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Use mw. instead of mediaWiki. in code [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/258748 (owner: 10Gerrit Patch Uploader) [20:48:03] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Templates, 7Design, and 2 others: Consider removing the extra asterisk for the required parameters inside the template dialog - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T107544#1885703 (10AndyTechGuy) a:5AndyTechGuy>3None [21:01:55] Would anyone here like to speak up in defense of towtruck.visualeditor.eqiad.wmflabs ? [21:01:59] And/or fix it [21:02:05] and/or tell me it’s ok to delete it? [21:07:41] andrewbogott: I suspect cscott has something to do with it [21:18:25] hi cscott [21:18:29] the towtruck instance is gone [21:18:32] I'm going to shut it down [21:18:48] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Media, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, and 2 others: [Regression wmf.9] In TargetWidgets, text has no left margin - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121450#1885885 (10Esanders) 5Open>3Resolved [21:21:37] YuviPanda: did you ping me here? [21:21:50] yes [21:21:52] hi cscott [21:21:54] the towtruck instance is gone [21:21:56] I'm going to shut it down [21:22:23] gone as in, un ssh-able and failing puppet for ages... [21:22:27] oh, hm. there were two towtruck instances i think. i gave permission to delete one of them months ago. is that what this is about? [21:23:01] not sure. when we had that conversation I remember telling you that this is using old mediawiki_singlenode code and that you should move to the new vagrant stuff or the instance might die when we do a infrastructure upgrade / move again [21:23:17] so this is the latter. I might've deleted other things at that time too I don't remember. [21:23:44] oh, hm. [21:23:56] is there any way to get my homedir off there before you delete it? [21:24:09] if your homedir was on NFS, probably. [21:24:21] I've only shut it off, not deleted it. [21:24:36] if you can file a task, me or andrew can take a look once our current crisises are over [21:25:03] ok. i think you had an IP tunnel w/ a public name set up for it at some point. [21:25:15] it would be a little annoying to have to do all that setup again, but i can deal. [21:25:30] gotta maintain stuff or they will eventually die :) [21:25:46] yeah, that process has become a lot easier in the 3 intervening years :) it's self serve on the wikitech sidebar for the last few years [21:25:51] well, i only get a quantum to work on real time collab about once/year. [21:26:09] "last few years" has to be exaggerating. towtruck isn't *that* old. [21:26:28] | created | 2014-03-24T19:43:36Z | [21:26:30] hm, well, "launch time" is 2014-03-24T19:43:47. [21:26:39] also [21:26:41] | flavor | pmtpa-4 (1004) | [21:26:45] yeah. still, "few" usually means more than "1 1/2" [21:26:49] so that date is wrong [21:26:55] it was created in the tampa dc [21:26:57] and then moved to eqiad [21:27:03] so the launch time refers to the move data [21:27:05] *date [21:27:10] the original date is lost in time :) [21:27:32] i should probably get that stuff working again before dev summit. [21:27:55] indeed :) [21:28:02] we already rescued it like 3 times in the meantime [21:28:12] anyway, do file a bug and we can take a look if we can recover homedir. [21:29:44] do find me in #wikimedia-labs for further queries :) [21:29:48] * YuviPanda waves off [21:33:54] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable: Regression: shown vertically - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121708#1885932 (10Raymond) 3NEW [21:37:32] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable: Regression: shown vertically - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121708#1885952 (10Catrope) This is because of the `white-space: pre-wrap;` rule on `.ve-ce-documentNode` [21:38:45] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable: Regression: shown vertically - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121708#1885955 (10Catrope) Regression from https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/255931/ [21:39:33] (03CR) 10Catrope: "FIXME: Causes T121708" [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/255931 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55931) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [21:39:47] (03CR) 10Catrope: "Meh nm that's a duplicate" [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/255931 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55931) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [21:39:58] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable: Regression: shown vertically - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121708#1885932 (10Catrope) [21:39:59] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10MediaWiki-Gallery, 5Patch-For-Review: [Regression] Galleries are not displaying correctly in VisualEditor (one image per row with large gaps, rather than multiple images per row) due to wrapping CSS - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121557#1885959 (10Catrope) [21:41:40] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Media, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, and 3 others: [Regression wmf.9] In TargetWidgets, text has no left margin - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121450#1885961 (10Ryasmeen) [22:13:52] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 5Patch-For-Review: Add ability to request base types in citoid, and offer use of both in extension for backwards compatibility until all templateData has been updated. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114515#1886030 (10Mvolz) Bleh, you're absolutely right @kaldari, and this is s... [22:15:01] (03CR) 10Mvolz: "Ed normally does code review, but feel free to delegate, Ed :)." [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259499 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114515) (owner: 10Mvolz) [22:18:15] (03CR) 10Esanders: [C: 032] Use basefields query parameter in citoid req [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259499 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114515) (owner: 10Mvolz) [22:18:22] (03PS2) 10Mvolz: Use basefields query parameter in citoid req [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259499 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114515) [22:19:00] I wonder if you can put a meta refresh in a noscript tag [22:38:42] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: On single edit tab wikis, if your browser is not supported but your settings (or default) says VE you get a blank edit page and no way to fix it - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121298#1886183 (10Krenair) @Jdforrester-WMF: I notice the current default VisualEditorB... [22:40:45] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: On single edit tab wikis, if your browser is non-JS but your settings say VE you get a blank edit page and no way to fix it - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121257#1886187 (10Krenair) Might be able to put a meta refresh in a noscript tag. [22:44:02] (03PS1) 10Alex Monk: [WIP] SET browser blacklisting checks [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259606 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121298) [22:47:47] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] [WIP] SET browser blacklisting checks [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259606 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121298) (owner: 10Alex Monk) [22:50:10] shoo [22:50:27] oh, yeah, okay [22:50:29] php 5.3 [22:50:29] etc. [22:51:01] 10VisualEditor: Remove non-requested human testicles from user test pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121613#1886211 (10Teles) >>! In T121613#1885264, @Esanders wrote: > I have long thought that auto-completing the image search query with the page title wasn't that useful. I'd rather we should personal... [22:51:02] (03PS2) 10Alex Monk: [WIP] SET browser blacklisting checks [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259606 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121298) [22:51:46] 10VisualEditor: Remove non-requested human testicles from user test pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121613#1886219 (10yuvipanda) But what if you want to look at Testes? [22:52:51] 10VisualEditor: Remove non-requested human testicles from user test pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121613#1886229 (10Krenair) We should still allow people to search all uploads. This is really more of a search issue than a VE one. Even that is questionable. I do wonder if searching by description (a... [22:54:38] 10VisualEditor: Remove non-requested human testicles from user test pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121613#1886238 (10Teles) >>! In T121613#1886219, @yuvipanda wrote: > But what if you want to look at Testes? What if I don't? The search box will always be there for looking for anything. The point is... [22:56:34] 10VisualEditor: Remove non-requested human testicles from user test pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121613#1886243 (10yuvipanda) (I was just drive-by commenting, totally agree that user's uploads makes much better sense) [22:57:00] 10VisualEditor: Remove non-requested human testicles from user test pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121613#1886244 (10Teles) >>! In T121613#1886229, @Krenair wrote: > We should still allow people to search all uploads. This is really more of a search issue than a VE one. Even that is questionable. >... [22:59:29] 10VisualEditor: Remove non-requested human testicles from user test pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121613#1886260 (10Krenair) >>! In T121613#1886244, @Teles wrote: > The idea is not seeing testicles any time a random user try to test how to add a file. Do you actually care about how we get to that r... [23:27:16] 10VisualEditor: Remove non-requested human testicles from user test pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121613#1886358 (10Teles) >>! In T121613#1886260, @Krenair wrote: >>>! In T121613#1886244, @Teles wrote: >> The idea is not seeing testicles any time a random user try to test how to add a file. > > Do... [23:33:42] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 10Parsoid: Parsoid on serialisation should use the `paramOrder` field from TemplateData if available to set the order of parameters in new/edited transclusions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104599#1886372 (10ssastry) [23:34:56] 10VisualEditor: Remove non-requested human testicles from user test pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121613#1886373 (10Krenair) >>! In T121613#1886358, @Teles wrote: > I care about improving the tool and that is why this bug is opened. If you also care about it I don't get your point. Do you think we... [23:45:02] (03CR) 10Alex Monk: "Seems to work based on testing with an old FF3 install" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/259606 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121298) (owner: 10Alex Monk) [23:45:20] 10VisualEditor: Remove non-requested human testicles from user test pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121613#1886384 (10Aklapper) >>! In reply to T121613#1886358: **[[ https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bug_management/Phabricator_etiquette | Please criticize ideas, not people.]]** Thanks for helping to kee... [23:49:20] 10VisualEditor: Remove non-requested human testicles from user test pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121613#1886389 (10Deskana) I think we're getting a bit ahead of ourselves here. Irrespective of whether there's a solution or not, the report is well intentioned, and a user of our products is having a...