[00:00:07] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: Source and VE edit tabs have the word <undefined> appearing next to them for some users on enwiki (very old cached HTML/JS?) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125249#1983130 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3High
[00:00:29] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: Source and VE edit tabs have the word <undefined> appearing next to them for some users on enwiki (very old cached HTML/JS?) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125249#1983135 (10Krenair)
[00:01:03] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Wikimedia-Site-Requests: Make VisualEditor work by default in this random group of Phase 6 languages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125234#1983138 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Low
[00:02:27] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Media: Provide a link to the File: page for an image - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125227#1983146 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Normal
[00:03:22] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Tables: Be able to move a cell/cell selection/row/column by dragging - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125145#1979456 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[00:04:11] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-DataModel, 7Technical-Debt: Move some sanitization rules to the converter - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125229#1983167 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:5Triage>3Normal
[00:04:57] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Phlogiston, 15User-JAufrecht: Some tasks show as "Open" in Phlogiston but "Closed" in Phabricator - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124958#1971035 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[00:05:32] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Phlogiston, 15User-JAufrecht: Figure out why there is a discrepency between totals in overall Velocity and Recently Closed graphs and what, if anything, should be done about it. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124952#1983171 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[00:05:47] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Phlogiston, 15User-JAufrecht: 51569 shows open points and tasks but shouldn't - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124949#1983173 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[00:05:53] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Phlogiston, 15User-JAufrecht: Figure out what the unlabeled white data factor is in VE Completed work graph. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124950#1983175 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[00:05:59] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Editing-Analysis, 10MobileFrontend, 10Reading-Web: Sample edit events in MobileFrontend at 6.25% - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124845#1983177 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[00:06:52] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Phlogiston, 15User-JAufrecht: The forecasts for Better Link Editing and for Formula Editing are wrong - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123550#1983178 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[00:07:12] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: Source and VE edit tabs have the word <undefined> appearing next to them for some users on enwiki (very old cached HTML/JS?) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125249#1983179 (10PamD) An effect of this bug is that the tab bar jumps around distractingly if the window...
[00:07:30] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Phlogiston: Fix VE forecasts that show future dates for things already done - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124081#1983180 (10Jdforrester-WMF) This is now resolved, I think.
[00:07:40] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Phlogiston: Fix VE forecasts that show future dates for things already done - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124081#1983183 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved a:5Jdforrester-WMF>3JAufrecht
[00:07:59] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 5Patch-For-Review: getNodeAndOffset has incorrect returns if given the offset after the close of a non-focusable node - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124318#1983186 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[00:08:13] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 5Patch-For-Review: Bi-directional switching (VE-WT-VE-WT) loses all changes on the third switch when using the Edit/Edit source tabs at the top of the page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124708#1983187 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[00:08:35] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Templates, 7Design: Templates that have unnamed parameters and don't have TemplateData are hard to add in VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119362#1983188 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[00:08:53] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Editing-Department, 10MobileFrontend, 7Mobile, 5Patch-For-Review: Enable editing for mobile users without JavaScript and kill Special:MobileEditor code in MobileFrontend - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125174#1983189 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[00:09:01] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Templates, 10MediaWiki-extensions-TemplateData, 5Patch-For-Review: Create dedicated input methods for "wiki-user-name" transclusion parameters - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124736#1983190 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[00:09:09] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10MediaWiki-extensions-TemplateData, 7Easy, 5Patch-For-Review: TemplateData: Localise names of types in the HTML rendering (string, wiki-page-name, ...) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T61745#1983192 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[00:09:15] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10MediaWiki-extensions-TemplateData, 5Patch-For-Review: TemplateData: Add parameter type for selecting one of predefined values (like "<select>" or ENUM) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T53375#1983193 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[00:09:21] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Templates, 10MediaWiki-extensions-TemplateData: Create dedicated input methods for "number" transclusion parameters - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124850#1983195 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[00:09:25] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Templates, 10MediaWiki-extensions-TemplateData: Create dedicated input methods for "string" transclusion parameters - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124917#1983196 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[00:10:06] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Phlogiston, 15User-JAufrecht: Figure out how to handle old tranches in reporting - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123422#1983198 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[00:10:45] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Select a consistent level of milestone definition for VE FY2016Q3 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123552#1983199 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[00:20:11] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Community-Liaison, 7Documentation, 3Liaisons-February-2016: Write help page for using citoid in VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108980#1983228 (10Whatamidoing-WMF)
[00:20:50] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 6Editing-Department, 10MobileFrontend, 7Mobile, 5Patch-For-Review: Enable editing for mobile users without JavaScript and kill Special:MobileEditor code in MobileFrontend - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125174#1983229 (10Jdlrobson)
[00:27:59] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Find and replace feature froze my browser - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125277#1983259 (10Jdlrobson) 3NEW
[00:30:16] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Find and replace feature froze my browser - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125277#1983275 (10Jdlrobson)
[01:19:30] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: When switching between the wikitext and visual editors, the "Discard changes" option should require confirmation before losing all my work - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123960#1983489 (10Whatamidoing-WMF) This problem appears to happen only when going visual-to-wikitext, not the other way...
[01:20:58] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: When switching between the wikitext and visual editors, the "Discard changes" option should require confirmation before losing all my work - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123960#1983491 (10Krenair) >>! In T123960#1983489, @Whatamidoing-WMF wrote: > This problem appears to happen only when go...
[02:35:55] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10RESTBase, 6Services, 6operations, and 2 others: RESTBase not accessible via Varnish in Beta - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125282#1983538 (10mobrovac) 3NEW
[02:36:33] <mobrovac>	 fyi, VE's not working in Beta ^
[02:37:30] <James_F>	 mobrovac: Yeah. :-(
[02:38:07] <James_F>	 mobrovac: Was going to file a ticket but forgot. Thanks.
[02:38:15] <mobrovac>	 np
[02:38:24] <mobrovac>	 it's varnish, fwiw
[02:38:44] * James_F nods.
[02:45:56] <Krenair>	    27 FetchError   c no backend connection
[02:50:32] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Beta-Cluster-Infrastructure, 10RESTBase, 6Services, and 2 others: RESTBase not accessible via Varnish in Beta - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125282#1983548 (10Krenair)
[02:51:25] <mobrovac>	 Krenair: ah! maybe varnish would need to be reloaded ther
[02:51:35] <mobrovac>	 the IP of deployment-restbase01 has changed
[02:51:37] <mobrovac>	 recently
[02:51:57] <Krenair>	 yep
[02:51:59] <Krenair>	 that did the trick
[02:52:03] <Krenair>	 why on earth did the IP change?
[02:53:03] <James_F>	 Did it get rebuilt?
[02:53:15] <mobrovac>	 yup, for conversion to node 4
[02:53:17] <Krenair>	 no, they would've made deployment-restbase02 instead
[02:53:20] <Krenair>	 wtf
[02:53:30] <mobrovac>	 deployment-rb02 exists already
[02:53:34] <Krenair>	 okay, 03 then
[02:54:18] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Beta-Cluster-Infrastructure, 10RESTBase, 6Services, and 2 others: RESTBase not accessible via Varnish in Beta - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125282#1983551 (10Krenair) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Krenair ``` <Krenair>    27 FetchError   c no backend connection <mobrovac> Krenair...
[02:54:34] <mobrovac>	 heh Krenair, you're faster than me :)
[02:54:38] <mobrovac>	 Krenair: thnx!
[02:54:52] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Beta-Cluster-Infrastructure, 10RESTBase, 6Services, and 2 others: RESTBase not accessible via Varnish in Beta - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125282#1983554 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[02:55:10] <Krenair>	 so why did someone decide to reuse the old name, mobrovac?
[02:55:15] <James_F>	 mobrovac, Krenair: Thank you both. :-)
[02:55:49] <mobrovac>	 Krenair: because the alternative was to have rb02 and rb03 without rb01
[02:55:55] <Krenair>	 okay, so what?
[02:56:21] <mobrovac>	 Krenair: but, more seriously, a lot of stuff in beta uses deployment-rb01, so it was easier to just make it disappear for 15 mins
[02:59:15] <James_F>	 Hmm.
[02:59:19] <James_F>	 Oh, bugger.
[03:00:28] <Krenair>	 James_F, I'm still not sure what to do about this <undefined> thing a bunch of people are seeing
[03:02:03] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jforrester: Follow-up dc3aa815: Add i18n strings for table moving commands [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/267419 
[03:02:07] <James_F>	 Krenair: Me neither.
[03:02:16] <James_F>	 Krenair: +2 that whilst you're thinking about it? ;-)
[03:02:45] <James_F>	 Krenair: The only thing I can think of is stale (exceptionally stale) parser caches.
[03:03:25] <Krenair>	 parser caches?
[03:03:28] <James_F>	 Krenair: 'Cos this code stopped being used on enwiki in August, with the configuration set to false being removed in early December.
[03:03:47] <James_F>	 Whatever the APC cache stuff is.
[03:03:54] <Krenair>	 I'm looking at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/258357/6/modules/ve-mw/init/targets/ve.init.mw.DesktopArticleTarget.init.js
[03:04:40] <Krenair>	 It seems like mw.msg( tabMessages.editsectionappendix ) would be returning '<undefined>' only if tabMessages.editsectionappendix is undefined
[03:04:56] <Krenair>	 But that's not possible - we're in an if ( tabMessages.editsectionappendix ) block
[03:05:08] <James_F>	 Yeah.
[03:05:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Alex Monk: [C: 032] Follow-up dc3aa815: Add i18n strings for table moving commands [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/267419 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[03:05:36] <James_F>	 Ta.
[03:06:48] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Jforrester: Run VE->WTE modification checks regardless of how the user got into VE [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/266961 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124708) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[03:07:48] <Krenair>	 there was a rollback to wmf.10 at some point, right?
[03:08:11] <James_F>	 Twice.
[03:08:20] <James_F>	 Maybe that broke the cache, yeah.
[03:08:20] <Krenair>	 which still had the appendix code in there
[03:08:25] * James_F nods.
[03:08:26] <Krenair>	 hmm. actually, I'm missing something.
[03:08:50] <Krenair>	 >>> undefined !== null
[03:08:51] <James_F>	 Do we not bump the RL cache moment when we de-deploy branches?
[03:08:51] <ecmabot-wm>	 Krenair: (boolean) true
[03:08:53] <Krenair>	 obviously
[03:09:10] <Krenair>	 It's that first section, not the second one which I had been looking at
[03:09:14] <Krenair>	 (on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/258357/6/modules/ve-mw/init/targets/ve.init.mw.DesktopArticleTarget.init.js )
[03:09:32] <Krenair>	 basically that code assumed we'd always have it set, but maybe to null
[03:09:36] <Krenair>	 but we removed it completely
[03:09:49] <James_F>	 Can we invalidate people's RL caches?
[03:09:58] <Krenair>	 so this bug occurs when the server sends new tabMessages data, but they still get old ve.init.mw.DesktopArticleTarget.init.js code
[03:10:07] * James_F nods.
[03:10:38] <James_F>	 Hmm.
[03:11:26] <Krenair>	 so I'd say some sort of RL caching thing, yeah
[03:11:38] <James_F>	 For logged-in users, RL cache.
[03:12:16] <James_F>	 For logged-out users, the JS is cached for … no, wait, it's the same, there's no new JS files being added.
[03:12:41] <James_F>	 I'm not going to even think about bumping the RL cache epoch. Scary scary stuff even for K.rinkle or o.ri, let alone us. :-)
[03:13:01] <Krenair>	                 "ext.visualEditor.desktopArticleTarget.init": {
[03:13:01] <Krenair>	                         "class": "VisualEditorDesktopArticleTargetInitModule",
[03:13:02] <Krenair>	                         "scripts": "modules/ve-mw/init/targets/ve.init.mw.DesktopArticleTarget.init.js",
[03:13:20] <James_F>	 Yeah, that's still the same.
[03:14:18] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Follow-up dc3aa815: Add i18n strings for table moving commands [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/267419 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[03:28:26] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Alex Monk: [C: 032] Update VE core submodule to master (c5bf879) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/267386 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[03:29:24] <James_F>	 So, wmf.12 is so far 221 points closed so far, by my count: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/sprint/board/483/query/32vtIp7Nr9bW/?hidden=true
[03:29:45] <Krenair>	 how does that compare to other branches?
[03:29:49] <James_F>	 wmf.11 was 23.
[03:30:43] <Krenair>	 wow
[03:30:44] <James_F>	 wmf.8 (which has a whole lot of stuff landing at the end of the quarter) was 340, though.
[03:31:18] <James_F>	 We have a serious pipeline of awesome work done by you all, but it takes a while to get going.
[03:31:46] <James_F>	 wmf.9 was 88 which is roughly normal.
[03:32:05] <James_F>	 http://phlogiston.wmflabs.org/ve_velocity.png
[03:32:55] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] Run VE->WTE modification checks regardless of how the user got into VE [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/266961 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124708) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[03:35:35] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 5Patch-For-Review: Bi-directional switching (VE-WT-VE-WT) loses all changes on the third switch when using the Edit/Edit source tabs at the top of the page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124708#1983563 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[03:38:06] <Krenair>	 mw.loader.getVersion( 'ext.visualEditor.desktopArticleTarget.init' )
[03:38:06] <Krenair>	 "D4SUO8f8"
[03:38:36] <James_F>	 Is that the right version?
[03:38:41] <Krenair>	 I guess those with this issue would get a different result
[03:38:44] <Krenair>	 that's the one I got, yes
[03:38:53] <James_F>	 So… hopefully. :-)
[03:38:54] <Krenair>	 don't know if we'd be able to purge old versions or something
[03:38:58] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update VE core submodule to master (c5bf879) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/267386 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[03:39:02] * James_F neither.
[03:45:41] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: Source and VE edit tabs have the word <undefined> appearing next to them for some users on enwiki (very old cached HTML/JS?) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125249#1983566 (10Krenair) I think there's some RL caching weirdness going on here. It's likely all related...
[03:48:53] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Run VE->WTE modification checks regardless of how the user got into VE [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/266961 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124708) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[05:32:20] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 6Community-Liaison, 10MediaWiki-extensions-TemplateData, and 3 others: Check documentation for the TemplateData editor for completeness, accuracy, and ease of understanding by adding TemplateData to templates on Wik... - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117499#1983593
[05:57:02] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Jforrester: Remove all Extension:Cite code, now moved there [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/254082 
[05:57:41] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Remove all Extension:Cite code, now moved there [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/254082 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[06:17:09] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor: Addition of extended Cyrillic Unicode ranges to WikiEditor special characters table - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125286#1983627 (10OiL) 3NEW
[06:43:21] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable: VisualEditor: Copying part of a table into an existing cell should over-write cell values, not insert it as a sub-table - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T61192#1983636 (10Jdforrester-WMF) I wasn't wrong. Done in wmf.12.
[06:43:33] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 5WMF-deploy-2016-02-02_(1.27.0-wmf.12): VisualEditor: Copying part of a table into an existing cell should over-write cell values, not insert it as a sub-table - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T61192#1983638 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Esande...
[14:07:00] <Reception|away>	 Is it possible for VE to be enabled/disabled from userpreferences?
[14:55:03] <wikibugs>	 10Cite: False duplicate errors ("defined multiple times with different content") when using {{#tag:ref}} with XML-style tags inside - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T118603#1983980 (10matmarex) >>! In T118603#1981402, @THE_IT wrote: > But still is there an error in the cite extension in my opinion.  Yeah, I a...
[14:57:42] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 7Performance: Half a megabyte of JavaScript / CSS loading on view pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T118088#1983992 (10matmarex) (For anybody browsing historical bugs, we're now working to slim down OOjs UI so that loading it on all pages is not a catastrophi...
[15:28:43] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Esanders: DesktopContext: Float the context when it goes beyond the viewport [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/267446 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T51922) 
[23:08:16] <wikibugs>	 10Cite, 10MediaWiki-API, 10MobileFrontend, 5Patch-For-Review, and 2 others: Should be possible to access references and notes for a given page via API - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123290#1984445 (10Cenarium)
[23:08:19] <wikibugs>	 10Cite, 6TCB-Team, 7German-Community-Wishlist, 5Patch-For-Review: Section edit preview doesn't let you preview references defined outside the section being previewed - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124840#1984444 (10Cenarium)