[00:40:07] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 07Regression, 05WMF-deploy-2016-08-09_(1.28.0-wmf.14), 05WMF-deploy-2016-08-16_(1.28.0-wmf.15): Typing a duplicate character after a link results in the wrong change being written to the model - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141573#2546452 (10Jdforreste... [02:16:00] (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 04-1] "jsduck failure is real" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/304056 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142622) (owner: 10Esanders) [04:54:28] (03CR) 10DLynch: Wikitext surface alpha feature (031 comment) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/229567 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104479) (owner: 10Esanders) [05:16:36] 10VisualEditor: Consider multi line formula editing with Math inspector - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141950#2546838 (10Tanveer07) Thank you for addressing the concern. I did go back to math inspector and check out the large layouts section and I agree it does resolve several instances involving arrays. I... [07:15:19] 10VisualEditor, 10WikiEditor, 06Community-Liaisons, 06Editing-Department, and 5 others: Re-label the "Save" button to be "Publish", to better indicate to users the outcomes of their action - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131132#2186382 (10Alsee) Have you considered the confusion for new editors when m... [08:36:57] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Links, 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10Flow, and 3 others: [Regression wmf23] On creating a wikilink/an inter-wiki link, the nice regex strips section parts of the link - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112898#2547069 (10QuimGil) It works indeed! Thank you very mu... [08:57:45] (03PS4) 10Divec: WIP surface synchronizer [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/303572 (owner: 10Esanders) [08:58:02] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] WIP surface synchronizer [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/303572 (owner: 10Esanders) [09:41:51] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 06Community-Liaisons, 07Notice: Announce the new wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142645#2541868 (10Qgil) I think a recorded Tech Talk focusing on demoing the product will make wonders. An IRC office hour probably less so. [09:48:20] 10VisualEditor, 06Community-Liaisons (Jul-Sep-2016): Facilitate deployment of the visual editor at Indic script wikis - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142606#2547232 (10Elitre) [10:38:32] 10VisualEditor: VE breaks Col-begin - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142823#2547342 (10Magioladitis) [10:43:12] 10VisualEditor: Regression: VE is not enabled in some namespaces - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142824#2547364 (10eranroz) [10:43:29] 10VisualEditor: Regression: VE is not enabled in some namespaces - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142824#2547377 (10eranroz) See also: T138999 [11:02:13] 10VisualEditor, 07Regression: VE is not enabled in some namespaces - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142824#2547412 (10Danny_B) [13:35:45] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Add ability to request base types in citoid, and offer use of both in extension for backwards compatibility until all templateData has been updated, and undo its use in extension, including use of templateData - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114515#2547821 (10Mvolz) [14:00:27] 10TemplateData, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10Wikidata: TemplateData: TemplateData should have a parameter to support Wikidata - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T69659#2547877 (10Mvolz) @putnik Could you expand a little bit? Are you saying that the maps is insufficient to work with wikida... [15:44:17] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 05WMF-deploy-2016-08-16_(1.28.0-wmf.15): Applying an insertion annotation fails at the beginning of a block - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142754#2548076 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [15:44:27] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 05WMF-deploy-2016-08-16_(1.28.0-wmf.15): Applying an insertion annotation fails at the beginning of a block - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142754#2545584 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 05Open>03Resolved [15:44:41] 10VisualEditor, 10Design Research and product team collaboration, 06Design-Research-Backlog, 07Epic: Design Research evaluates new Wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141068#2548078 (10Capt_Swing) [15:44:50] (03PS1) 10Jforrester: Update VE core submodule to master (756f7d2) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/304481 [15:54:40] 10WikiEditor: Changes/Diff preview not styled properly in 0.0.5 (1.27.0) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142845#2548099 (10johnnybaloney) [16:00:10] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase-API: Thoughts on element IDs, sections, incremental parsing and fast section editing - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87556#2548122 (10GWicke) [16:00:17] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase, 10RESTBase-API: RFC: API for retrieval and saving of top-level HTML elements / sections by element ID - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94890#2548120 (10GWicke) 05Resolved>03Open Re-opening to track the recent discussion about impr... [16:03:23] 10WikiEditor: Changes/Diff preview in WikiEditor not styled properly in 0.0.5 (1.27.0) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142845#2548127 (10johnnybaloney) [16:04:17] (03CR) 10DLynch: [C: 032] Update VE core submodule to master (756f7d2) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/304481 (owner: 10Jforrester) [16:12:41] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update VE core submodule to master (756f7d2) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/304481 (owner: 10Jforrester) [16:58:56] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 06Community-Liaisons, 07Notice: Announce the new wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142645#2541868 (10Keegan) >>! In T142645#2547202, @Qgil wrote: > I think a recorded Tech Talk focusing on demoing the product would be very useful. An IRC office h... [17:00:48] (03PS1) 10DLynch: Flag the help button as progressive [extensions/TemplateData] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/304487 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142484) [17:02:50] 10TemplateData, 10VisualEditor, 13Patch-For-Review: TemplateData help link is not wikified - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142484#2536740 (10DLynch) 304487 gets us: {F4357173} [17:16:27] 10VisualEditor, 10Design Research and product team collaboration, 06Design-Research-Backlog, 07Epic: Design Research evaluates new Wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141068#2548419 (10Capt_Swing) @Jdforrester-WMF can you give @dchen and I a sense of how much work is represented by 40 stor... [17:16:47] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase, 10RESTBase-API: RFC: API for retrieval and saving of top-level HTML elements / sections by element ID - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94890#2548420 (10Esanders) If we're extending the schema, just implement the outline mode we propos... [17:22:40] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase, 10RESTBase-API: RFC: API for retrieval and saving of top-level HTML elements / sections by element ID - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94890#2548465 (10Esanders) Here is the small change to the RESTBase schema required to support it:... [17:29:46] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase, 10RESTBase-API: RFC: API for retrieval and saving of top-level HTML elements / sections by element ID - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94890#2548482 (10GWicke) @esanders: We are trying to keep our API surface small and orthogonal. Hav... [17:38:45] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase, 10RESTBase-API: RFC: API for retrieval and saving of top-level HTML elements / sections by element ID - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94890#2548504 (10Catrope) >>! In T94890#2548482, @GWicke wrote: > @esanders: We are trying to keep... [17:48:51] 10VisualEditor, 10Design Research and product team collaboration, 06Design-Research-Backlog, 07Epic: Design Research evaluates new Wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141068#2548514 (10JAufrecht) The VE Team closes between 20 and 110 points per week, but that's the whole team, and they all... [17:57:08] 10VisualEditor, 10Design Research and product team collaboration, 06Design-Research-Backlog, 07Epic: Document VE needs for UX testing of NWE - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142854#2548524 (10JAufrecht) [17:57:30] 10VisualEditor, 10Design Research and product team collaboration, 06Design-Research-Backlog, 07Epic: Document VE needs for UX testing of NWE - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142854#2548524 (10JAufrecht) [17:57:58] 10VisualEditor, 10Design Research and product team collaboration, 06Design-Research-Backlog, 07Epic: Design Research evaluates new Wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141068#2485901 (10JAufrecht) [17:58:00] 10VisualEditor, 10Design Research and product team collaboration: Develop usability testing template for DR testing of Wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141069#2485913 (10JAufrecht) 05Open>03declined Proceeding with this outline as-is for now. [17:58:58] 10VisualEditor, 10Design Research and product team collaboration, 06Design-Research-Backlog, 07Epic: Design Research evaluates new Wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141068#2485901 (10JAufrecht) [17:59:20] 10VisualEditor, 10Design Research and product team collaboration, 06Design-Research-Backlog, 07Epic: Design Research evaluates new Wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141068#2548567 (10JAufrecht) [18:06:36] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase, 10RESTBase-API: RFC: API for retrieval and saving of top-level HTML elements / sections by element ID - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94890#2548576 (10GWicke) > You could have one endpoint that takes either the existing replace forma... [18:09:35] (03PS46) 10Esanders: Wikitext surface alpha feature [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/229567 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104479) [18:10:22] (03PS2) 10Esanders: Move image-paste blocking to transfer handler match function [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/304056 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142622) [18:10:54] 10VisualEditor, 06Discovery: Replace VE's use of prefix search for link/template/image suggestions with full text search - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113110#2548591 (10Capt_Swing) [18:11:02] (03Abandoned) 10Esanders: Use upstream source fragment [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/303071 (owner: 10Esanders) [18:12:10] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Wikitext surface alpha feature [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/229567 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104479) (owner: 10Esanders) [18:13:50] (03PS9) 10Esanders: Partially convert just the modified parts of the document [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/303441 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142320) [18:18:51] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Partially convert just the modified parts of the document [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/303441 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142320) (owner: 10Esanders) [18:19:35] 10VisualEditor, 10Design Research and product team collaboration, 06Design-Research-Backlog, 07Epic: Design Research evaluates new Wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141068#2548603 (10Jdforrester-WMF) >>! In T141068#2548419, @Capt_Swing wrote: > @Jdforrester-WMF can you give @dchen and I... [18:21:54] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 07Regression: [Regression] VE is no longer enabled in some non-canonical namespaces - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142824#2548606 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:05Triage>03Normal a:03AlexMonk-WMF [18:22:47] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase, 10RESTBase-API: RFC: API for retrieval and saving of top-level HTML elements / sections by element ID - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94890#2548613 (10Esanders) Getting it to work with the documentation tool of the day is a relativel... [18:25:51] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase, 10RESTBase-API: RFC: API for retrieval and saving of top-level HTML elements / sections by element ID - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94890#2548619 (10GWicke) @Esanders: Paths are not what is expensive here. The expensive part is doc... [18:32:21] (03CR) 10DLynch: [C: 04-1] Wikitext surface alpha feature (031 comment) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/229567 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104479) (owner: 10Esanders) [18:37:51] (03PS47) 10Esanders: Wikitext surface alpha feature [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/229567 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104479) [18:43:24] (03CR) 10DLynch: [C: 032] Wikitext surface alpha feature [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/229567 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104479) (owner: 10Esanders) [18:50:30] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Wikitext surface alpha feature [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/229567 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104479) (owner: 10Esanders) [19:31:22] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 07Epic: VisualEditor: Implement some form of auto-save - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T57370#2548772 (10Jdforrester-WMF) OK, so, dusting this off, my current proposal is as follows: * As you edit, we stash a copy of the edited document whilst you're editing it... [19:43:25] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase, 10RESTBase-API: RFC: API for retrieval and saving of top-level HTML elements / sections by element ID - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94890#2548792 (10Esanders) That is not expensive. What's expensive is spending a whole week trying... [20:08:11] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 07Design, 07Epic: Provide a modern wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104479#2548859 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [20:17:59] 10VisualEditor: Wikitext surface needs an etag to use RESTBase - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142861#2549137 (10Esanders) [20:18:02] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase, 10RESTBase-API: RFC: API for retrieval and saving of top-level HTML elements / sections by element ID - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94890#2549154 (10GWicke) @esanders: Clearly we have different perspectives and priorities. I am try... [20:23:34] 10VisualEditor, 06Community-Liaisons: Review documentation about the visual editor at Meta - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137903#2549193 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [20:24:10] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Tables, 07Design: There should be a visual indication that setting a table's properties to 'sortable' worked - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139072#2549196 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [20:25:24] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 06Community-Liaisons (Jul-Sep-2016): Start an info page about the New Wikitext Editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142486#2549204 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:05Triage>03High [20:38:14] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 07Beta-Feature, 07Category, 07Epic: Provide a Beta Feature of a modern wikitext editor integrated into the visual editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141149#2549275 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [20:38:16] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 07Epic, 05WMF-deploy-2016-08-16_(1.28.0-wmf.15): "Alpha" feature (flagged) for NWE work done to date - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142138#2549272 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 05Open>03Resolved [22:10:11] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools: In long footnote's VESurfaceWidget, hitting backspace scrolls you up to the top of the text field - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141039#2549538 (10DLynch) Even more specifically, it's caused by 6d6647925c2c4b55401c7decc03e830c44c0f4e0, which removes and resets... [22:12:35] (03PS1) 10DLynch: ve.ce.Surface: when setting selection just focus if focusTarget == activeElement [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/304575 [22:13:04] (03PS2) 10DLynch: ve.ce.Surface: when setting selection just focus if focusTarget == activeElement [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/304575 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141039) [22:15:17] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 13Patch-For-Review: In long footnote's VESurfaceWidget, hitting backspace scrolls you up to the top of the text field - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141039#2549570 (10DLynch) That patch does the simple thing, and tells it to just set focus if the active elem... [22:45:04] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Tables: Can't move table cell next to empty cell in sparse table - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142879#2549668 (10Esanders) [22:45:08] 10VisualEditor, 10Design Research and product team collaboration, 06Design-Research-Backlog, 07Epic: Design Research evaluates new Wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141068#2549682 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [22:45:10] 10VisualEditor, 10Design Research and product team collaboration: Develop usability testing template for DR testing of Wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141069#2549680 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 05declined>03Resolved If this is "good enough" it's Resolved. :-) [22:47:15] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Tables: Can't move table cell next to empty cell in sparse table - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142879#2549683 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:05Triage>03High [23:08:17] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable: Can step out of unicorn at end of paragraph - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142885#2549806 (10dchan) [23:14:04] (03PS5) 10Divec: WIP surface synchronizer [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/303572 (owner: 10Esanders) [23:14:19] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] WIP surface synchronizer [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/303572 (owner: 10Esanders) [23:23:06] (03PS1) 10Esanders: Ensure data isn't discarded when moving a row next to sparse cells [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/304585 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142879) [23:25:33] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Ensure data isn't discarded when moving a row next to sparse cells [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/304585 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142879) (owner: 10Esanders) [23:46:48] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 07Design, 07Epic: Provide a second version of a beta modern wikitext editor integrated into the visual editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142523#2549909 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [23:46:51] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 07Beta-Feature, 07Category, 07Epic: Provide a Beta Feature of a modern wikitext editor integrated into the visual editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141149#2549910 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [23:46:54] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 07Design: In the new wikitext editor, provide in-editor help akin to WikiEditor's - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142641#2549908 (10Jdforrester-WMF)