[02:13:07] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor, 07Performance: Long delay when typing in WikiEditor on certain pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143182#2559751 (10Quiddity)
[02:16:55] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor, 07Performance: Long delay when typing in WikiEditor on certain pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143182#2559764 (10Josve05a)
[02:18:34] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor, 07Performance: Long delay when typing in WikiEditor on certain pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143182#2559765 (10Josve05a)
[04:40:41] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor, 07Performance: Long delay when typing in WikiEditor on certain pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143182#2559819 (10ori) I can reproduce this in Firefox even with JavaScript completely disabled.
[06:20:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Alex Monk: Fix name of mweditmodeve-tool message [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305176 
[06:20:40] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Alex Monk: Don't show the beta warning in source mode [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305177 
[06:20:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Alex Monk: Don't show unsaved-changes warning if user has already saved in wikitext dialog [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305178 
[06:24:45] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Don't show the beta warning in source mode [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305177 (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[06:28:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Don't show unsaved-changes warning if user has already saved in wikitext dialog [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305178 (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[06:47:14] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Esanders: Remove duplicate properties defined in mixin ve.Node [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/304969 
[06:47:16] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Esanders: [BREAKING CHANGE] Move originalDomElements to the IV store [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/304970 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142943) 
[06:47:18] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Esanders: [BREAKING CHANGE] Use MD5 hases in IV store [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305182 
[06:51:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] [BREAKING CHANGE] Use MD5 hases in IV store [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305182 (owner: 10Esanders)
[06:57:22] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor, 07Performance: Long delay when typing in WikiEditor on certain pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143182#2559872 (10Aklapper) Also brought up in https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&oldid=734872516#Typing_into_editor_or_edit_summary_on_large_articl...
[11:34:04] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor, 07Performance: Long delay when typing in WikiEditor on certain pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143182#2560390 (10Stevietheman) This problem happens to me with Chrome 52 or Firefox 48 on Windows 10.  I tried the following but none of them helped the problem:    - Changed skin from Vecto...
[11:50:11] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor, 07Performance: Long delay when typing in WikiEditor on certain pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143182#2560406 (10matmarex)
[13:54:06] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 10TemplateData, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: Incorrect itemType causing missing parameter in citation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93355#2560679 (10The_RedBurn)
[14:22:00] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Alex Monk: Don't show unsaved-changes warning if user has already saved in wikitext dialog [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305178 
[14:22:02] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Alex Monk: Don't show the beta warning in source mode [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305177 
[15:12:27] <wikibugs>	 10Citoid, 10TemplateData, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: Incorrect itemType causing missing parameter in citation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93355#1135268 (10The_RedBurn) Why is the og:site_name property reserved to pages recognized as "webpage"? Couldn't it be tried on pages recognize...
[15:27:39] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 07User-notice: Enable VisualEditor by default for all users of all "phase 6" Wikipedias - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93387#2560958 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[15:27:41] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 07Community-consensus-needed, 07User-notice: Enable VisualEditor by default for all users of all Arabic script Wikipedias - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142587#2560957 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 05Open>03Resolved
[15:27:52] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 07User-notice: Enable VisualEditor by default for all users of all "phase 6" Wikipedias - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93387#1135906 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[15:28:37] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 07User-notice: Enable VisualEditor by default for all users of all Wikipedias - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T51999#2560965 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[15:46:18] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Alex Monk: SourceSurfaceFragment#insertDocument: Insert 'ERROR' on failure to convert document [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305276 
[15:49:17] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Alex Monk: Fix insertion of templates, media, and various other things into wikitext surface [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305279 
[16:30:17] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 07Community-consensus-needed, 07User-notice: Enable VisualEditor by default for all users of all Arabic script Wikipedias - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142587#2561253 (10Elitre)
[16:30:19] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 06Community-Liaisons (Jul-Sep-2016): Facilitate deployment of the visual editor at Arabic script wikis - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141994#2561251 (10Elitre) 05Open>03Resolved And messaging about logged-out users were just delivered. Will keep an eye this week for developments.
[16:33:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: "Is this fixing T142861 ?" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305279 (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[16:41:49] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Alex Monk: "I think that might be separate. I'm not sure if we are actually supposed to send the document's etag when converting only snippets?" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305279 (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[16:42:20] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Esanders: "probably better to insert nothing that put messages in the document" [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305276 (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[16:42:32] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Esanders: [C: 04-1] SourceSurfaceFragment#insertDocument: Insert 'ERROR' on failure to convert document [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305276 (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[16:45:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] Warn editors when they're adding blank TemplateData [extensions/TemplateData] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/298665 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123207) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[16:47:11] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Warn editors when they're adding blank TemplateData [extensions/TemplateData] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/298665 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123207) (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[16:48:24] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Esanders: [C: 032] Fix insertion of templates, media, and various other things into wikitext surface [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305279 (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[16:48:32] <wikibugs>	 10TemplateData, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: Warn editors when they're adding blank TemplateData - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123207#2561297 (10Jdforrester-WMF) 05Open>03Resolved
[16:49:58] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] Fix name of mweditmodeve-tool message [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305176 (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[16:50:27] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Esanders: [C: 032] Don't show the beta warning in source mode [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305177 (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[16:51:13] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Esanders: [C: 032] Fix name of mweditmodeve-tool message [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305176 (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[16:54:24] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Alex Monk: SourceSurfaceFragment#insertDocument: Don't insert on failure to convert document [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305276 
[16:55:18] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10DLynch: [C: 032] Remove duplicate properties defined in mixin ve.Node [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/304969 (owner: 10Esanders)
[16:55:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jforrester: i18n: Reduce 'visualeditor-beta-warning' to just an invite to report issues [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305295 
[16:56:06] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 04-2] "Let's fix the message instead?" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305177 (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[16:56:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: "Ie2e534d9ab" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305177 (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[16:56:27] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10DLynch: [C: 032] Fix renaming of parameters to another existing name [extensions/TemplateData] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/304960 (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[16:56:45] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Fix name of mweditmodeve-tool message [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305176 (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[16:56:47] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Don't show the beta warning in source mode [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305177 (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[16:58:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Remove duplicate properties defined in mixin ve.Node [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/304969 (owner: 10Esanders)
[17:02:03] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] SourceSurfaceFragment#insertDocument: Don't insert on failure to convert document [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305276 (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[17:18:45] <James_F>	 Krenair: What do you think of doing https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/305295/ instead?
[17:19:04] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10DLynch: Make the help button a help link again [extensions/TemplateData] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/304487 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142484) 
[17:19:35] <Krenair>	 James_F, if language engineering are okay with that, I am
[17:20:11] <James_F>	 Krenair: … what?
[17:20:23] <James_F>	 Krenair: Why would Language Engineering need to be involved?
[17:21:07] <Krenair>	 I'm not sure if it changes the purpose of the message and therefore needs a new key?
[17:21:22] <Krenair>	 probably not
[17:21:40] <James_F>	 Oh, you mean "if TWN people are OK with it"? Language Engineering don't work on TWN in their paid time. Sorry for my confusion.
[17:22:22] <Krenair>	 I guess so
[17:23:27] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 031] Make the help button a help link again [extensions/TemplateData] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/304487 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142484) (owner: 10DLynch)
[17:23:56] <James_F>	 I'm OK with the message taking a while to update, but it'd be sad to lose all the translations.
[17:26:18] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Alex Monk: [C: 032] i18n: Reduce 'visualeditor-beta-warning' to just an invite to report issues [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305295 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[17:28:24] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Abandoned) 10Alex Monk: Don't show the beta warning in source mode [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305177 (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[17:31:45] <James_F>	 Thanks!
[17:32:30] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Jforrester: Don't show unsaved-changes warning if user has already saved in wikitext dialog [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305178 (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[17:32:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Jforrester: Fix insertion of templates, media, and various other things into wikitext surface [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305279 (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[17:38:01] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: i18n: Reduce 'visualeditor-beta-warning' to just an invite to report issues [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305295 (owner: 10Jforrester)
[17:40:23] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor, 07Performance: Long delay when typing in WikiEditor on certain pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143182#2561436 (10ori) I think I have narrowed it down to the presence or absence of the [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-to-right_mark | left-to-right mark ]] (LRM) in the page. The LRM...
[17:50:14] <cscott>	 James_F: thoughts on https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135667#2558384 ?
[17:52:02] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor, 07Performance: Long delay when typing in WikiEditor on certain pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143182#2561462 (10Jdforrester-WMF) The BlockLogFormatter LRM code instead of `dir` was added (in a different file, later moved) in 2013: {ea02cda0d6953dbfc4f8349e11616a56b12713d7}.
[17:53:21] <James_F>	 cscott: I think block/inline implying nothing about external whitespace (and only one simple control) would be best.
[17:53:56] <James_F>	 And yeah, showing ↵ instead of \n would be nice if it's easy.
[17:54:00] <cscott>	 James_F: so you'd have to bail all the way to a custom format string if you wanted to ensure the template was on a line by itself?
[17:54:05] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor, 07Performance: Long delay when typing in WikiEditor on certain pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143182#2561488 (10matmarex) I'm afraid we use LRM/RLM more widely than that. Search the codebase for "getDirMark" and "getDirMarkEntity". Also search the localisation messages for "‎" / "‏" o...
[17:54:26] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor, 07I18n, 07Performance: Long delay when typing in WikiEditor on certain pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143182#2561489 (10matmarex)
[17:54:54] <James_F>	 Yes. Ensuring the template is on its own line is a rare enough occurrence that it doesn't matter much, and I worry about the dirty-diffs (even if SelSer will rescue us from most of them).
[17:54:58] <James_F>	 Twice bitten, thrice shy.
[17:55:58] <cscott>	 Ok.  I guess since it's all in the single 'format' property, we can always make the UI nicer in the future, add more options (which desugar to particular format strings)
[17:56:07] <cscott>	 if wide use warrants
[17:56:43] <cscott>	 I might end up squashing the patches then.
[17:56:48] <James_F>	 Yeah, some pre-built options with nice icons perhaps.
[17:56:56] <James_F>	 But very much later, not now. :-)
[17:57:02] <cscott>	 k
[17:57:17] <James_F>	 Thank you for your work on this!
[17:57:57] <cscott>	 the existing patch has nice icons, since i could reuse the 'block' and 'inline' icons -- for ownLine they just showed how the template as a whole was on its own line or not, whereas for 'format' they showed the disposition of the parameters. ;)
[17:58:38] <James_F>	 Nice icons for "\n{{_\n | _ = _ \n}}\n" etc., I meant. But true.
[17:59:02] <James_F>	 cscott: Also, for your interests, we're replacing jshint and jscs with eslint in OOUI as a testbed for (long-term) migrating all of WMF JS code CI.
[17:59:35] <cscott>	 the icon design would be more complex if it has to show disposition of the template *and* the parameters, at once.  but as i said, we can always decide to split the UI later if needed, since it all desugars to particular format strings.
[17:59:44] * James_F nods.
[18:00:07] <cscott>	 James_F: also for your interest, my tidy replacement in core doesn't like the fact that OOUI uses single quotes around attribute values, instead of double-quotes like the rest of mediawiki (and the sanitizer)
[18:01:02] <cscott>	 James_F: do you think there should be an underscore representing the name of the template?  i'd be eliding that, but I guess it makes sense to include it.
[18:01:11] <cscott>	 *i'd been
[18:04:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Esanders: [BREAKING CHANGE] Use MD5 hases in IV store [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305182 
[18:05:38] <cscott>	 edsanders: *hashes
[18:05:45] <cscott>	 you've got a runaway h
[18:05:49] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Alex Monk: Don't show unsaved-changes warning if user has already saved in wikitext dialog [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305178 
[18:05:51] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Alex Monk: Fix insertion of templates, media, and various other things into wikitext surface [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305279 
[18:07:50] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Esanders: [BREAKING CHANGE] Use MD5 hashes in IV store [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305182 
[18:09:46] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Alex Monk: SourceSurfaceFragment#insertDocument: Don't insert on failure to convert document [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305276 
[18:16:42] <James_F>	 cscott: Yes, an underscore for the template name makes sense to me.
[18:16:52] <James_F>	 cscott: But it's not crucial.
[18:17:14] <cscott>	 and repeat the section between the name underscore and the }} for each parameter
[18:31:37] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor, 07I18n, 07Performance: Long delay when typing in WikiEditor on certain pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143182#2561628 (10ori) Filed upstream: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1296050  Chrome / Chromium 54 (the current dev channel release) does not appear to be affected, s...
[18:46:33] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor, 07I18n, 07Performance: Long delay when typing in WikiEditor on pages that contain RLM / LRM - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143182#2561691 (10ori)
[18:53:46] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10WikiEditor, 06Community-Liaisons, 06Editing-Department, and 5 others: Re-label the "Save" button to be "Publish", to better indicate to users the outcomes of their action - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131132#2561735 (10Base) >>! In T131132#2425757, @Liuxinyu970226 wrote: > But save...
[19:11:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Esanders: Ensure data isn't discarded when moving a row next to sparse cells [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/304585 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142879) 
[19:15:59] <wikibugs>	 10WikiEditor, 07I18n, 07Performance: Long delay when typing in WikiEditor on pages that contain RLM / LRM - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143182#2561868 (10ori) >>! In T143182#2561488, @matmarex wrote: > I'm afraid we use LRM/RLM more widely than that. Search the codebase for "getDirMark" and "getDirMar...
[19:21:03] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Esanders: [C: 032] SourceSurfaceFragment#insertDocument: Don't insert on failure to convert document [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305276 (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[19:24:06] <wikibugs>	 10Cite, 10Math, 07Regression: [Regression pre wmf.10] Math node is appearing as UNIQ marker in Read mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T140143#2561902 (10Physikerwelt)
[19:28:28] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: SourceSurfaceFragment#insertDocument: Don't insert on failure to convert document [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305276 (owner: 10Alex Monk)
[19:32:29] <wikibugs>	 10Cite, 10Math, 07Regression: [Regression pre wmf.10] Math node is appearing as UNIQ marker in Read mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T140143#2561909 (10Physikerwelt) it seems to be connected with the cite extension. If I put comments around the cite commands https://gist.github.com/physikerwelt/d979e...
[19:50:26] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Esanders: [BREAKING CHANGE] Use MD5 hases in IV store [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305182 
[19:50:28] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS5) 10Esanders: [BREAKING CHANGE] Move originalDomElements to the IV store [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/304970 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142943) 
[19:51:54] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Esanders: Pull through: Move originalDomElements to IV store [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305327 
[19:52:41] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] [BREAKING CHANGE] Use MD5 hases in IV store [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305182 (owner: 10Esanders)
[19:52:53] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] [BREAKING CHANGE] Move originalDomElements to the IV store [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/304970 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142943) (owner: 10Esanders)
[19:58:01] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Pull through: Move originalDomElements to IV store [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305327 (owner: 10Esanders)
[19:59:46] <edsanders>	 cscott: ta
[20:04:04] <cscott>	 edsanders: remind me what 'ta' stands for?  i've always mentally glossed it as a James-Britishism.  Like 'ta ta for now'.
[20:04:29] <cscott>	 edsanders: I note that the incorrect spelling has crept back into PS4 of your patch.
[20:06:50] <edsanders>	 ta is just thanks, ta ta is bye
[20:07:39] <edsanders>	 You can backronym it if that makes you happier
[20:16:51] <quiddity>	 (I've always thought of it as) ta = Thank yA
[20:18:50] <quiddity>	 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ta#English  - lol, "See also: [[ta everso]] and [[ta muchly]]."  :)
[20:28:24] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 07Regression: Editing mode not properly closed after section editing - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143257#2562157 (10Krinkle)
[21:06:54] <James_F>	 edsanders: Any idea what happened in https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Editing/FY2016-17Q2_Planning&diff=0&oldid=2217755 ? TrevorParscal doesn't think he did anything odd.
[21:10:53] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste: Paste into (end of?) an annotation serialises very poorly - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143261#2562311 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[21:14:40] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS5) 10Esanders: [BREAKING CHANGE] Use MD5 hashes in IV store [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305182 
[21:18:36] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste: Paste into (end of?) an annotation serialises very poorly - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143261#2562327 (10Esanders) Test case:  <p><b id="a">Foo</b></p> <p><b id="b">Bar</b></p>  Copy an 'o' to the end of 'Bar' and you get:  <p>...
[21:18:56] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste: Paste into (end of?) an annotation serialises very poorly - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143261#2562328 (10Esanders) a:03dchan
[21:23:00] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste: Paste into (end of?) an annotation serialises very poorly - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143261#2562336 (10dchan) I think this goes back a long way (I see this same behaviour in revisions from 2014).
[21:38:42] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Design Research and product team collaboration, 06Design-Research-Backlog, 07Epic: Explain VE needs for UX testing of NWE - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142854#2562375 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[21:39:55] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Design Research and product team collaboration, 06Design-Research-Backlog, 07Epic: Explain VE needs for UX testing of NWE - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142854#2548524 (10Jdforrester-WMF)
[21:45:18] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] [BREAKING CHANGE] Use MD5 hashes in IV store [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305182 (owner: 10Esanders)
[21:52:11] <James_F>	 Krenair: When you get a mo. could you bump visualeditor-test.wmflabs.org to master, with the new flag set if needed?
[21:57:08] <Krenair>	 yes
[22:07:08] <Krenair>	 James_F, done
[22:13:42] <Krenair>	 James_F, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/305409/
[22:25:13] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase, 10RESTBase-API: RFC: API for retrieval and saving of top-level HTML elements / sections by element ID - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94890#1175324 (10dchan) We talked about doing this by changing the API so that the replace value is...
[22:30:07] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Browser tab freezes when attempting to Insert media on Visual Editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143279#2562684 (10Tanveer07)
[22:33:53] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS6) 10Esanders: [BREAKING CHANGE] Use MD5 hashes in IV store [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/305182 
[22:33:55] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS6) 10Esanders: [BREAKING CHANGE] Move originalDomElements to the IV store [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/304970 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142943) 
[22:41:41] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase, 10RESTBase-API: RFC: API for retrieval and saving of top-level HTML elements / sections by element ID - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94890#2562739 (10GWicke) Thank you, @dchan. That's an excellent summary.  Next steps:   #services w...
[22:44:54] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase, 10RESTBase-API: RFC: API for retrieval and saving of top-level HTML elements / sections by element ID - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94890#2562749 (10Esanders) >>! In T94890#2562739, @GWicke wrote: >  - an array of new section ids /...
[22:55:00] <James_F>	 Krenair: Thanks! Also, eek. :-)
[22:56:10] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Browser tab freezes when attempting to Insert media on Visual Editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143279#2562684 (10Esanders) I can't reproduce this with the same URL in Chrome.
[23:42:59] <wikibugs>	 10TemplateData, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10Parsoid: Please put templates on separate lines (when it won't break things) and don't (when it will) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135667#2563014 (10Jdforrester-WMF) Update from IRC chat (sorry!):  * Let's avoid having block/inline imply a...