[00:16:18] James_F, around? [00:16:44] What’s up? [00:18:03] When we have a load failure [00:18:13] User gets the confirmation dialog [00:18:13] Which kind? [00:18:15] OK or Cancel [00:18:28] OK retries, Cancel attempts to switch to OWE? [00:18:31] Read -> VE? Read -> NWE? Both? [00:18:56] probably both, though I haven't tested it with NWE yet [00:19:05] If we can't load RB but can load MW, switch to NWE (or OWE if not configured), I think. [00:19:15] can't switch to NWE [00:19:18] If we can't load either, just close the editor? [00:19:31] NWE doesn't need RB on load, does it? [00:19:43] Switching to NWE requires serialisation [00:19:48] though maybe I can bypass that. hm [00:19:55] Not if there are no changes. [00:20:09] Which if you're doing load-from-read you'll be in. [00:23:42] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: VisualEditor: Provide a "view VE" mode for protected pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T53547#2695569 (10Esanders) [00:23:44] 10VisualEditor: VisualEditor sometimes enters edit mode on protected pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147457#2695571 (10Esanders) [00:26:15] James_F, well, I guess I'll have to see if I can make that true in the NWE code [00:26:50] 😀 [00:27:36] maybe I should've implemented this before NWE [00:28:53] (03CR) 10Esanders: [C: 04-1] Strip element IDs from HTML generated when wikitext is pasted (031 comment) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/312170 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T146054) (owner: 10Alex Monk) [00:37:06] (03Abandoned) 10Alex Monk: Strip element IDs from HTML generated when wikitext is pasted [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/312170 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T146054) (owner: 10Alex Monk) [00:42:02] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: VE should strip element ids from HTML that it generates when wikitext is pasted - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T146054#2695605 (10AlexMonk-WMF) [00:50:35] (03PS1) 10Alex Monk: Switch to the wikitext editor if VE fails to load [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/314460 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135748) [00:51:00] James_F, ^ some progress, but RB errors still aren't handled through the normal process so this won't catch them [01:18:42] (03PS1) 10Alex Monk: Send RB errors through the normal error handling process [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/314467 [01:21:39] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 13Patch-For-Review: Create path to fallback to source editor if VE load fails - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135748#2695791 (10AlexMonk-WMF) a:03AlexMonk-WMF [01:22:54] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Send RB errors through the normal error handling process [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/314467 (owner: 10Alex Monk) [01:23:50] (03PS2) 10Alex Monk: Send RB errors through the normal error handling process [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/314467 [02:25:21] * James_F nods. [03:53:51] 10Cite, 10ContentTranslation-CXserver, 10MediaWiki-extensions-ContentTranslation: CItation templates fail to appear properly after translation using CX - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147542#2695851 (10psubhashish1) [04:05:36] 10Cite, 10ContentTranslation-CXserver, 10MediaWiki-extensions-ContentTranslation: CItation templates fail to appear properly after translation using CX - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147542#2695868 (10Arrbee) Possibly the same as T111935 [04:45:07] 10WikiEditor: Text area main edit window cannot be re-sized - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147526#2695890 (10Samwilson) The closest I can come to reproducing this in Chrome and Firefox is that there's a //minimum// height for the main textarea in the proofreadpage mode, and the handle doesn't allow resizin... [05:21:30] 10WikiEditor: Text area main edit window cannot be re-sized - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147526#2695921 (10Ineuw) I set preferences edit from 4 (minimum) and to 23 rows up and it does not alter the window size at all. The main textarea height is frozen at 275 pixels. I use Firefox for production but also... [07:02:49] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 07Design, 07Epic: Provide a modern wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104479#2695996 (10Alsee) >>! In T104479#2694841, @mobrovac wrote: > @Alsee are you using Mathoid? The error is likely related to the fact that you use Parsoid (and RESTBase too?... [09:32:28] hi all, does anyone know where i can find info on how the "Automatic" setting for references actually works? is that what Citoid does? [12:01:16] 10WikiEditor: Text area main edit window cannot be re-sized - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147526#2696298 (10Aklapper) @ineuw: When reporting bugs, please provide a link to reproduce the problem and your personal settings (for example I assume "Horizontal layout when editing in the Page: namespace" is enab... [13:41:52] 10Cite, 07Community-Wishlist-Survey, 03TCB-September Tasks, 03WMDE-QWERTY-Team-Experimental-Sprint: Investigate the Refactoring needs in order to realize the Book Referencing Wish in the Cite Extension - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T146765#2670477 (10WMDE-Fisch) a:03WMDE-Fisch [13:56:49] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: publicationTitle /blogTitle not present in response from citoid - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147079#2696554 (10mobrovac) 05Open>03Resolved Deployed, resolving. [13:57:16] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 15User-mobrovac: Where returning data from WorldCat, include the OCLC# - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T145467#2696574 (10mobrovac) 05Open>03Resolved Deployed, resolving. [13:57:18] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 07User-notice: Provide auto-citations based on ISBNs in Wikimedia production - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T145462#2696576 (10mobrovac) [14:03:28] (03CR) 10Siebrand: [C: 031] "i18n/L10n reviewed." [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/314467 (owner: 10Alex Monk) [14:05:05] (03CR) 10Siebrand: [C: 031] "i18n/L10n reviewed." [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/314456 (owner: 10Alex Monk) [14:43:45] (03PS1) 10Divec: WIP: Store metadata as block nodes in the main data list [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/314568 [14:46:52] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] WIP: Store metadata as block nodes in the main data list [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/314568 (owner: 10Divec) [15:36:25] 10WikiEditor: Text area main edit window cannot be re-sized - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147526#2696926 (10Ineuw) @Aklapper: This is the page of the above indicated image: https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Popular_Science_Monthly_Volume_54.djvu/668&action=edit The height of the OCR image... [15:43:15] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: VisualEditor: Provide a "view VE" mode / disable editing for protected pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T53547#2696935 (10Esanders) [15:47:39] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable: makeNail is a major bottleneck on large pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147572#2696960 (10Esanders) [16:54:10] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 13Patch-For-Review: Using data URI images in inline slugs (for chimeras) is slow in Chrome (and possibly others) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91248#2697164 (10Esanders) [16:54:12] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable: makeNail is a major bottleneck on large pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147572#2697166 (10Esanders) [17:13:21] 10WikiEditor, 07I18n, 13Patch-For-Review, 07Performance: Long delay when typing in WikiEditor on pages that contain RLM / LRM - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143182#2697188 (10Stevietheman) Something has fixed this issue in the meantime. A particular page where I had this problem isn't demonstrating... [17:18:45] (03PS1) 10Esanders: Use safer batchPush in converter [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/314589 [17:19:20] (03PS1) 10Esanders: Use safer batchPush in converter [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/314590 [17:27:44] (03CR) 10Divec: [C: 032] Use safer batchPush in converter [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/314589 (owner: 10Esanders) [17:30:51] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Use safer batchPush in converter [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/314589 (owner: 10Esanders) [17:37:22] (03CR) 10Divec: "FWIW to get a call stack size error on Chromium 50.0.2661.102 , I have to push 125,209 elements:" [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/314589 (owner: 10Esanders) [17:40:24] (03CR) 10Divec: "And on Firefox 46.0.1, the lowest offending number is 500,001." [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/314589 (owner: 10Esanders) [17:40:46] (03CR) 10Divec: [C: 032] Use safer batchPush in converter [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/314590 (owner: 10Esanders) [17:44:15] 10VisualEditor, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests: Enable Visual Editor in more namespaces on svwiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144688#2697265 (10Jdforrester-WMF) Tagging this with VisualEditor so we can keep track of such things. Otherwise we can't offer advice/support. [17:47:56] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Use safer batchPush in converter [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/314590 (owner: 10Esanders) [17:49:50] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 10VisualEditor-Performance, 13Patch-For-Review: Using data URI images in inline slugs (for chimeras) is slow in Chrome (and possibly others) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91248#1077708 (10Jdforrester-WMF) Ed, should this be re-opened then? [18:08:36] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: http://www.filmipop.com returns an http protocol in the "websiteTitle" field causing a citation template error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123079#2697347 (10Whatamidoing-WMF) > What other costs? If you don't emit the error, then actual mistakes (i.e., a URL in the title fiel... [18:26:12] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 07Browser-Support-Firefox: The wikitext mode gives a blank page in Firefox 31.2 ESR - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147584#2697378 (10Whatamidoing-WMF) [18:29:10] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: ==Heading== not detected - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147585#2697397 (10Whatamidoing-WMF) [18:44:46] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: ==Heading== not detected - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147585#2697397 (10Esanders) I need more details here. Why are we talking about wikitext in VE? [18:44:48] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 07Browser-Support-Firefox: The wikitext mode gives a blank page in Firefox 31.2 ESR - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147584#2697426 (10Whatamidoing-WMF) Sure, FF 31.2 is two years old now. But some people are stuck with it, and silently blanking the page is a ba... [18:53:24] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: NWE edits should leave a change tag - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147587#2697477 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [18:53:26] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 07Browser-Support-Firefox: The wikitext mode gives a blank page in Firefox 31.2 ESR - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147584#2697378 (10Esanders) Used innerText by mistake which doesn't work in FF<45. [18:58:54] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 07Design: Harv style citations based on T95702 solution - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144695#2697499 (10Whatamidoing-WMF) So you would use this only for {{Citation}} but not for the far more popular {{Cite book}} (which appears about 50... [19:08:36] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-NewWikitextEditor: NWE edits should leave a change tag - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147587#2697511 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [19:08:46] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-NewWikitextEditor: Inspectors flicker into position in NWE - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147231#2697512 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [19:08:55] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-NewWikitextEditor: Pressing cancel on language inspector in NWE throws an exception - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147232#2697513 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [19:09:09] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-NewWikitextEditor, 06Community-Liaisons (Oct-Dec-2016): Support the VisualEditor team with the "Iterate on the New Wikitext Editor Beta Feature" goal - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T145529#2697514 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [19:09:36] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-NewWikitextEditor, 07Technical-Debt: VisualEditor should provide a clean integrated VE/WT editor widget that can be integrated into any context - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138642#2697529 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [19:10:04] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-NewWikitextEditor, 07Design, 07Epic: Provide a modern wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104479#2697530 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [19:10:59] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-NewWikitextEditor, 07Beta-Feature, and 2 others: Provide a Beta Feature of a modern wikitext editor integrated into the visual editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141149#2697531 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [19:11:07] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-NewWikitextEditor, 10Editing-UX-Research, 07Epic: Editing Design evaluates the new wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141068#2697532 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [19:11:19] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-NewWikitextEditor: In the new wikitext editor, be able to smoothly toggle between editors - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142643#2697533 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [19:11:34] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-NewWikitextEditor, 13Patch-For-Review: Support section editing in NWE - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144654#2697534 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [19:11:51] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-NewWikitextEditor, 06Community-Liaisons (Oct-Dec-2016), 07Notice: Announce the new 2017 wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142645#2697535 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [19:12:02] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-NewWikitextEditor, 06Developer-Relations (Oct-Dec-2016), 07Notice: Tech Talk for the 2017 wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T145417#2697536 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [19:12:13] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-NewWikitextEditor: Wikitext surface needs an etag to use RESTBase - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142861#2697537 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [19:12:22] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-NewWikitextEditor: Tools can get marked as enabled/disabled incorrectly in NWE - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144323#2697538 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [19:12:37] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-NewWikitextEditor, 07Design, 07Epic: Provide a second version of a beta modern wikitext editor integrated into the visual editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142523#2697539 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [19:12:47] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-NewWikitextEditor, 07Design: In the new wikitext editor, provide in-editor help akin to WikiEditor's - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142641#2697540 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [21:31:18] (03CR) 10Esanders: "recheck" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/314594 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147584) (owner: 10Esanders) [22:07:32] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: http://www.filmipop.com returns an http protocol in the "websiteTitle" field causing a citation template error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123079#2697548 (10Trappist_the_monk) Title in cs1|2 has a specific meaning: `|title=`. Until now, we have been talking about `|work=` an... [22:08:24] 10WikiEditor: Text area main edit window cannot be re-sized - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147526#2697650 (10Ineuw) I repaired the problem by deleting all the cookies and logins. Please close this ticket. [22:08:36] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: http://www.filmipop.com returns an http protocol in the "websiteTitle" field causing a citation template error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123079#2697653 (10Whatamidoing-WMF) 05Open>03Invalid I'm closing this as invalid. Citoid correctly returned an accurate value for th... [22:08:47] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: ==Heading== not detected - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147585#2697657 (10Whatamidoing-WMF) Because NicoV was testing the wikitext mode on the Beta Cluster yesterday. [22:09:35] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: VE should strip element ids from HTML that it generates when wikitext is pasted - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T146054#2649075 (10Esanders) If we strip IDs then we break references. We need to be able to imported the generated HTML from... [23:13:51] (03CR) 10Alex Monk: [C: 032] Use createTextNode in wikitext converter [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/314594 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147584) (owner: 10Esanders) [23:20:22] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Use createTextNode in wikitext converter [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/314594 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147584) (owner: 10Esanders) [23:21:20] 10WikiEditor: Text area main edit window cannot be re-sized - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147526#2698142 (10Samwilson) 05Open>03Resolved a:03Samwilson @Ineuw: I'm glad you got it sorted! :-) That's good. [23:22:16] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase: Restbase IDs should not conflict with other Parsoid IDs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147607#2698174 (10Esanders) [23:25:22] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: After saving an article atop a redirect, sub continues to show "Redirect page" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144885#2613516 (10AlexMonk-WMF) I just tried this and couldn't reproduce the issue. [23:25:43] (03CR) 10Esanders: "I think you were close, we just need to strip Parsoid IDs only.." [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/312170 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T146054) (owner: 10Alex Monk) [23:25:50] (03Restored) 10Esanders: Strip element IDs from HTML generated when wikitext is pasted [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/312170 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T146054) (owner: 10Alex Monk) [23:46:37] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase: Restbase IDs should not conflict with other Parsoid IDs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147607#2698174 (10ssastry) From IRC that can help clarify this better: ``` edsanders, another thought ... but, won't the id assigned to the conflict with a similar...