[00:15:31] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 07Accessibility: Consider using semantic elements in addition to colours for visual diffs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149702#2766993 (10Tchanders) Yes we can do it technically, but only around text changes since and should only contain text. Reu... [00:25:11] 10VisualEditor, 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10MediaWiki-General-or-Unknown, 05MW-1.28-release, and 3 others: [Regression wmf.23] MW's title suggestion widget displays a suggestion for "foo" and "Foo" for non-existing pages on input of "foo" (OK), and for "... - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149130#2767007 [01:20:57] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 07Accessibility: Consider using semantic elements in addition to colours for visual diffs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149702#2767110 (10Volker_E) @Tchanders Thanks for putting us in the loop. For the first part, use of semantic elements `del` and `ins` would... [01:29:45] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 07Accessibility: Consider using semantic elements in addition to colours for visual diffs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149702#2767114 (10Whatamidoing-WMF) I agree that neither blue nor yellow is intuitively associated with either deletion or insertion. Howev... [01:32:27] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Links, 07Design: VisualEditor: Link input widget should have separate inputs for target and display text - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55973#2767116 (10Whatamidoing-WMF) @DLynch, would it be easy enough to make it show wikitext ra... [06:43:56] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 10Analytics, 10ChangeProp, and 11 others: Node 6 upgrade planning - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149331#2767405 (10KartikMistry) ``` npm test ``` for cxserver is failing for me. Debugging further. [06:47:31] 10VisualEditor, 10Sentry, 07Beta-Cluster-reproducible, 07Verified, 05WMF-deploy-2016-11-08_(1.29.0-wmf.2): [Regression pre-wmf.16] Infinite error throwing loop when MediaSearchWidget triggers jQuery JSONP exception in Beta Cluster (due to loop with Sentry... - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143279#2767406 [06:59:42] (03PS1) 10Divec: WIP: Partial change rebasing in the case of conflicts [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/319522 [07:00:14] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] WIP: Partial change rebasing in the case of conflicts [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/319522 (owner: 10Divec) [09:25:20] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 06Operations, 06Services (blocked): Separate citoid service for beta that runs off master instead of deploy - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92304#2767646 (10Mvolz) So apparently we have this now? https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Citoid.services.eqiad.wmflabs... [09:39:23] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 06Operations, 06Services (blocked): Separate citoid service for beta that runs off master instead of deploy - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92304#2767678 (10mobrovac) Nope, @Mvolz that's not it. I will likely delete that instance as it's not really used. [09:42:28] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 10Analytics, 10ChangeProp, and 11 others: Node 6 upgrade planning - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149331#2767686 (10mobrovac) >>! In T149331#2767405, @KartikMistry wrote: > ``` > npm test > ``` > > for cxserver is failing for me. Debugging further. Remember that after you s... [09:56:24] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Links, 07Design: VisualEditor: Link input widget should have separate inputs for target and display text - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55973#2767737 (10Trizek-WMF) No wikitext displayed, please! [10:04:57] 10VisualEditor, 07Browser-Support-Firefox: Cannot save deletion of {{clarify span}} template - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T73701#2767754 (10Aklapper) 05stalled>03declined If I understand correctly T51904 and T74191 exist to cover the specific cases, hence closing this task as declined. (Please reope... [10:23:52] 10VisualEditor, 10MediaWiki-extensions-Annotator, 10Wikimedia-Developer-Summit (2017): Annotations in VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147896#2767792 (10Mglaser) 05Open>03declined Closing this as I will not attend the summit. [11:55:37] hello great team! [11:56:00] how we are doing with ISBN and ISSN citation automatic generation? [13:37:35] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 07Accessibility: Consider using semantic elements in addition to colours for visual diffs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149702#2768284 (10Pginer-WMF) Here are some thoughts and a quick exploration. Thoughts: - Green and red bring intuitive associations with ad... [14:09:05] (03CR) 10Siebrand: [C: 031] "i18n/L10n reviewed." [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/278284 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124305) (owner: 10DLynch) [14:14:31] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: Users are requesting a "Cancel and exit without saving" option - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85470#947596 (10planetenxin) I can confirm, that new users have issues leaving the edit mode. Couldn't we just have an option to turn on/off the cancel button? [14:29:08] (03CR) 10Siebrand: [C: 031] "i18n/L10n reviewed." [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/303956 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55973) (owner: 10DLynch) [14:44:32] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 07Accessibility: Consider using semantic elements in addition to colours for visual diffs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149702#2760188 (10TheDJ) Can I remind everyone of the fact that last time we paid attention to the color of this particular bike shed (diff... [15:23:18] (03CR) 10DLynch: "Something in this commit has caused some VE init issues for me. It now always switches the URL to `editsource`, so reloading the page will" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/318473 (owner: 10Jforrester) [15:23:51] Anyone else seeing the switch-to-editsource thing? Or is it something weirdly me-specific? [15:52:27] Trying to integrate VE with our wiki; is there a way to 'hint' that a custom tag's content is wikitext, so it can be edited in-place rather than source in a dialog? [16:04:15] (03CR) 10DLynch: "I worked it out. Alas, it was just that my ve submodule was out of sync with this change." [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/318473 (owner: 10Jforrester) [16:18:05] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Links, 07Design: VisualEditor: Link input widget should have separate inputs for target and display text - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55973#2768725 (10Whatamidoing-WMF) Rich display would be nicer (but take up a lot of space). O... [16:33:54] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Links, 07Design: VisualEditor: Link input widget should have separate inputs for target and display text - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55973#2768788 (10Esanders) Showing wikitext is not the right thing to do. Links with *partial*... [16:36:14] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Links, 07Design: VisualEditor: Link input widget should have separate inputs for target and display text - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55973#2768793 (10Trizek-WMF) Also, as a volunteer, I don't want to hear "quotes on the text are... [16:38:29] (03PS1) 10DLynch: Override cite keyboard shortcut [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/319608 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T148302) [16:45:09] 10VisualEditor, 13Patch-For-Review: "Cite" button should have a keyboard shortcut - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T148302#2719561 (10Esanders) I've made a list of currently used CTRL+ shortcuts: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor/Shortcuts [16:47:35] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Links, 07Design: VisualEditor: Link input widget should have separate inputs for target and display text - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55973#2768818 (10DLynch) I do agree that showing wikitext is the wrong way to go. This is a pri... [16:47:55] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor: Add Keyboard shortcuts for show changes (VE + NWE) and show preview (NWE) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149914#2768819 (10Esanders) [16:52:30] (03CR) 10Esanders: [C: 04-1] Override cite keyboard shortcut (031 comment) [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/319608 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T148302) (owner: 10DLynch) [16:53:35] (03CR) 10Esanders: Override cite keyboard shortcut (031 comment) [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/319608 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T148302) (owner: 10DLynch) [16:55:39] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Links, 07Design: VisualEditor: Link input widget should have separate inputs for target and display text - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55973#2768853 (10Trizek-WMF) And what if we only display a read-only text for the label? Label... [16:57:54] (03CR) 10DLynch: Override cite keyboard shortcut (032 comments) [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/319608 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T148302) (owner: 10DLynch) [16:58:15] (03PS2) 10DLynch: Override cite keyboard shortcut [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/319608 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T148302) [16:58:24] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Override cite keyboard shortcut [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/319608 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T148302) (owner: 10DLynch) [16:58:54] Oh, jenkins. [17:09:06] edsanders, hey, did you manage to fix the issue daisy was having on the test server in labs? [17:10:10] whihc one? [17:10:17] *ch [17:10:34] from two days ago when it wasn't working at all? [17:10:36] edsanders, I don't know what the issues were [17:10:41] I just heard she had issues [17:11:22] I got it working yesterday and I just did a pull to VE a few minutes ago to get the SET fixes up [17:12:41] okay great [17:12:44] jaufrecht, ^ [17:14:42] Thanks [17:16:28] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Links, 07Design: VisualEditor: Link input widget should have separate inputs for target and display text - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55973#2768933 (10Esanders) >>! In T55973#2768853, @Trizek-WMF wrote: > And what if we only disp... [17:19:02] (03CR) 10Esanders: Override cite keyboard shortcut (031 comment) [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/319608 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T148302) (owner: 10DLynch) [17:21:47] (03CR) 10Hashar: "recheck" [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/319608 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T148302) (owner: 10DLynch) [17:25:21] (03PS3) 10DLynch: Override cite keyboard shortcut [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/319608 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T148302) [17:34:41] 10VisualEditor, 06Community-Liaisons (Apr-Jun-2016), 05Goal: Q4 personal goal: start building a volunteer, cross-wiki taskforce to help with the community side of VE work - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130533#2769008 (10Elitre) @ssastry do you think something like https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Vi... [17:40:14] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Links, 07Design: VisualEditor: Link input widget should have separate inputs for target and display text - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55973#2769070 (10Quiddity) >>! In T55973#2768853, @Trizek-WMF wrote: > And what if we only disp... [18:20:10] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor: Add Keyboard shortcuts for show changes (VE + NWE) and show preview (NWE) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149914#2769257 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:05Triage>03Low [19:46:14] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor: Add Keyboard shortcuts for show changes (VE + NWE) and show preview (NWE) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149914#2769628 (10Esanders) For wikitext editing, show preview is probably quite commonly used, so we may want to consider ways to make it... [19:58:32] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Links, 07Design: VisualEditor: Link input widget should have separate inputs for target and display text - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55973#2769663 (10Esanders) >>! In T55973#2763929, @matmarex wrote: > * Just use a FieldLayout :... [20:01:22] (03PS4) 10DLynch: LinkAnnotationInspector: add a "label" field [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/303956 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55973) [20:07:20] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Links, 07Design: VisualEditor: Link input widget should have separate inputs for target and display text - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55973#2769678 (10DLynch) > Use a 'placeholder' and insert an invisible label somewhere for acce... [21:02:06] (03PS1) 10Jforrester: Update VE core submodule to master (e7c5b56) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/319679 [21:16:59] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, 06Developer-Relations (Oct-Dec-2016), and 2 others: Tech Talk for the 2017 wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T145417#2629431 (10cscott) @Qgil what topic were you thinking of for this talk? I'm going t... [21:25:43] (03CR) 10Esanders: [C: 032] Override cite keyboard shortcut [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/319608 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T148302) (owner: 10DLynch) [21:26:07] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, 06Developer-Relations (Oct-Dec-2016), and 2 others: Tech Talk for the 2017 wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T145417#2770041 (10cscott) [21:27:44] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Override cite keyboard shortcut [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/319608 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T148302) (owner: 10DLynch) [21:31:46] (03CR) 10Esanders: [C: 032] Update VE core submodule to master (e7c5b56) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/319679 (owner: 10Jforrester) [21:42:09] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update VE core submodule to master (e7c5b56) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/319679 (owner: 10Jforrester) [21:50:02] Krenair: what are your thoughts with regards to section vs vesection? [21:50:42] edsanders, we should probably kill vesection [21:51:07] in SET, ve is use 'section' but nwe is still using 'vesection' [21:51:41] this causes problems if you change editor then go back to read mode (with last-editor preference) [21:54:25] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor: 'vesection' param is inconsistently used - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149958#2770237 (10Esanders) [21:54:36] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149958