[00:32:04] 10VisualEditor, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 10Community-Liaisons (Jul-Sep 2017), 10User-notice: Support WMF communities in run-up to switching EditPage over to OOUI - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T162849#3488201 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [00:34:32] 10VisualEditor, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 10Community-Liaisons (Jul-Sep 2017), 10User-notice: Support WMF communities in run-up to switching EditPage over to OOUI - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T162849#3488203 (10Jdforrester-WMF) Status updates: * T169982 was temporarily worked around by hiding the... [00:34:38] 10VisualEditor, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 10Community-Liaisons (Jul-Sep 2017), 10User-notice: Support WMF communities in run-up to switching EditPage over to OOUI - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T162849#3488208 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [00:35:29] 10VisualEditor, 10Editing-team, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 10Community-Liaisons (Jul-Sep 2017), 10User-notice: Support WMF communities in run-up to switching EditPage over to OOUI - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T162849#3260865 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [02:35:52] (03Abandoned) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: ve.transformStyleAttributes: Handle document fragments (multiple roots) [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/367711 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171600) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [03:50:20] (03PS1) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: Clarify comments that certain 'html' parameters must be whole documents [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/368975 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171600) [03:56:43] (03PS1) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: ve.init.mw.ArticleTarget: Fix parsing of preview documents [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/368976 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171600) [03:57:50] (03CR) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: "* https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/368975" [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/367711 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171600) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [04:05:56] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Tables, 10Easy: Edit visual editor table cell by pressing F2 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172042#3488406 (10orschiro) Hey, thanks! :-) Can only speak for Firefox and say F2 doesn't conflict with any of its functions. Regarding the citations, here are some links: - h... [05:14:26] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Tables: Ctrl + Tab should not move to next cell in visual table editor and conflicts with switch tab feature in Firefox - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172168#3488445 (10orschiro) [05:14:49] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Tables: Ctrl + Tab should not move to next cell in visual table editor and conflicts with switch tab feature in Firefox - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172168#3488457 (10orschiro) [05:32:16] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Tables: Ctrl + Tab should not move to next cell in visual table editor and conflicts with switch tab feature in Firefox - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172168#3488462 (10orschiro) [11:26:03] 10VisualEditor: Line number is misplaced for a code block when it is positioned between an image and a map - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172155#3488888 (10Deskana) This is a bad one... but if the appearance is the same in read mode, it seems very unlikely to me that VisualEditor is the problem. The wikite... [11:26:30] 10VisualEditor: Line number is misplaced for a code block when it is positioned between an image and a map - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172155#3488890 (10Deskana) p:05Triage>03Normal We should, at least, verify that VisualEditor is not causing this. [11:31:05] 10VisualEditor, 10Patch-For-Review: Link inspector in NWE opens up with the previously used search term pre-filled in the search field - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171892#3488896 (10Deskana) [13:40:59] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 10Operations, 10Services (watching), 10User-mobrovac: Wiley requests for DOI and some other publishers don't work in production - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T165105#3489125 (10Samwalton9) I received this response today: > I have confirmed with network and Sys-Ops team... [15:29:27] (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 031] ve.init.mw.ArticleTarget: Fix parsing of preview documents [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/368976 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171600) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [15:42:42] (03CR) 10DLynch: [C: 04-1] ve.init.mw.ArticleTarget: Fix parsing of preview documents (031 comment) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/368976 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171600) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [15:57:12] (03PS1) 10DLynch: LinearTabKeyDownHandler: Abort if modifiers are used [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/369407 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172168) [16:00:50] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Tables, 10Patch-For-Review: Ctrl + Tab should not move to next cell in visual table editor and conflicts with switch tab feature in Firefox - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172168#3489627 (10orschiro) Thanks for the patch! [16:15:07] (03CR) 10DLynch: [C: 032] Copy over missing steps from MWLinkAnnotationInspector to Wikitext version (031 comment) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/368817 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171892) (owner: 10Esanders) [16:25:10] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Copy over missing steps from MWLinkAnnotationInspector to Wikitext version [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/368817 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171892) (owner: 10Esanders) [16:30:06] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: Copy over missing steps from MWLinkAnnotationInspector to Wikitext version [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/368817 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171892) (owner: 10Esanders) [16:33:14] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor: Add a way to insert a line break - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T164956#3489728 (10Deskana) [16:34:09] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor: Add a way to insert a line break - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T164956#3252312 (10Deskana) p:05Triage>03Low [17:04:35] 10VisualEditor, 10Patch-For-Review, 10User-Ryasmeen: Link inspector in NWE opens up with the previously used search term pre-filled in the search field - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171892#3489839 (10Deskana) 05Open>03Resolved [17:04:58] 10VisualEditor, 10Patch-For-Review, 10User-Ryasmeen: Link inspector in NWE opens up with External link tab if you previously switched to it. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171895#3489845 (10Deskana) 05Open>03Resolved a:03Esanders [17:12:46] (03CR) 10Jforrester: "Oy." [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/369407 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172168) (owner: 10DLynch) [17:15:39] (03CR) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: ve.init.mw.ArticleTarget: Fix parsing of preview documents (031 comment) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/368976 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171600) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [17:16:46] (03PS2) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: ve.init.mw.ArticleTarget: Fix parsing of preview documents [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/368976 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171600) [17:18:45] (03CR) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: "Let me just see that this still works…" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/368976 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171600) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [17:24:26] (03CR) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: "Yeah, OK." [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/368976 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171600) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [17:29:22] (03CR) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: [C: 032] LinearTabKeyDownHandler: Abort if modifiers are used [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/369407 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172168) (owner: 10DLynch) [17:32:34] (03CR) 10DLynch: [C: 032] ve.init.mw.ArticleTarget: Fix parsing of preview documents [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/368976 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171600) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [17:32:58] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: LinearTabKeyDownHandler: Abort if modifiers are used [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/369407 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172168) (owner: 10DLynch) [17:40:32] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: LinearTabKeyDownHandler: Abort if modifiers are used [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/369407 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172168) (owner: 10DLynch) [17:40:52] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: ve.init.mw.ArticleTarget: Fix parsing of preview documents [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/368976 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171600) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [17:51:20] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: ve.init.mw.ArticleTarget: Fix parsing of preview documents [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/368976 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171600) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [19:06:00] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Tables, 10Patch-For-Review, 10User-Ryasmeen: Ctrl + Tab should not move to next cell in visual table editor and conflicts with switch tab feature in Firefox - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172168#3490408 (10Deskana) 05Open>03Resolved p:05Triage>03Normal a:03DLyn... [19:07:08] 10VisualEditor: Inconsistencies around textbox highlighting in link inspector - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172159#3490422 (10Deskana) p:05Triage>03Normal [19:07:49] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Links: Inconsistencies around textbox highlighting in link inspector - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172159#3488075 (10Deskana) [19:08:46] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10Epic: VisualEditor: Implement some form of auto-save - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T57370#639538 (10Alsee) Why is this described as a Visual Editor task? Visual Editor is a minor secondary editor, only used for a small percentage of edits. If auto save is imp... [19:09:06] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-VisualDiffs: Removal of template parameter inside the reference tag not shown in changes - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172141#3490431 (10Deskana) p:05Triage>03Normal [19:09:29] 10VisualEditor: The site doesn't load correct - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172066#3490448 (10Deskana) 05Open>03stalled Stalled pending more information. [19:11:30] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-VisualDiffs: Historical diff probably doesn't cope well with unbalanced or unclosed html or extension tags - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171862#3490457 (10Deskana) p:05Triage>03Normal [19:13:00] 10VisualEditor, 10MediaWiki-Special-pages, 10Reading-Web-Backlog: Add namespace filter to Special:ShortPages and Special:DeadendPages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172215#3490472 (10Jdlrobson) [19:13:29] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-VisualDiffs: Annotate (add a html class) the source and target of the paragraph move - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171860#3478611 (10Deskana) The general problem is that the diff isn't super helpful when moving paragraphs. That's covered in {T171451}. Merging. [19:13:42] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-VisualDiffs: Annotate (add a html class) the source and target of the paragraph move - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171860#3490498 (10Deskana) [19:13:45] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-VisualDiffs: Stop showing excessive moves when moving a paragraph across the page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171451#3465215 (10Deskana) [19:14:46] 10VisualEditor: Don't show links that I can't click on in the title area - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171783#3476073 (10Deskana) p:05Triage>03Low Changing it back and forth over and over is likely more harmful than finding the exact perfect way for it to be... [19:15:08] (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] Clarify comments that certain 'html' parameters must be whole documents [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/368975 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171600) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [19:17:12] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, 10TitleBlacklist: MediaWiki:titleblacklist-forbidden-edit was not displayed, and it should have been - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171775#3490513 (10Deskana) >>! In T171775#3481294, @Deskana wrote: > Let me make sure I understand. You're ref... [19:19:20] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10Accessibility: Change tablecell style menu to take into account scope attribute - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T169306#3490518 (10Deskana) p:05Triage>03Low [19:20:12] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: Don't show page notices after switching editing mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T169179#3490522 (10Deskana) p:05Triage>03Low It could be argued that this is actually good behaviour, as it makes sure that editors are informed. I don't know whether I agree w... [19:21:03] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste: Drag and drop (cut and paste) didn't work in Chrome - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T169136#3490528 (10Deskana) 05Open>03stalled There's not much for us to do if we can't reproduce this... [19:21:27] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Clarify comments that certain 'html' parameters must be whole documents [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/368975 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171600) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [19:24:31] 10VisualEditor: Add a link to an image included on a table doesn't work - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T165847#3490544 (10Deskana) p:05Triage>03Low [19:25:39] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10MediaWiki-extensions-FlaggedRevs: Editing a page with unflagged changes should edit latest version in VE, even if you view the stable version - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T165283#3490562 (10Deskana) p:05Triage>03Normal [19:28:56] 10VisualEditor: Treat #tag:X same as - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T165240#3490580 (10Deskana) p:05Triage>03Low This is used for, for example, adding a citation inside a citation using something like `This is a reference{{#:ref|and this is a reference inside that reference}}`. This is no... [19:39:44] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-Tables, 10Patch-For-Review, 10User-Ryasmeen: Ctrl + Tab should not move to next cell in visual table editor and conflicts with switch tab feature in Firefox - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172168#3490601 (10orschiro) > Talk about fast service! Yeah, super fast! :-D Ver... [19:40:19] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10Epic: VisualEditor: Implement some form of auto-save - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T57370#3490603 (10Whatamidoing-WMF) >>! In T57370#3490428, @Alsee wrote: > Why is this described as a Visual Editor task? Visual Editor is a minor secondary editor, only used f... [19:40:21] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: Clarify comments that certain 'html' parameters must be whole documents [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/368975 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171600) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [19:47:51] 10VisualEditor, 10MediaWiki-Special-pages, 10Reading-Web-Backlog: Add namespace filter to Special:ShortPages and Special:DeadendPages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172215#3490631 (10Bugreporter) [20:00:22] 10VisualEditor, 10MediaWiki-Special-pages, 10Reading-Web-Backlog: Filter page listing specialpages by namespace - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T37758#393544 (10Jdlrobson) [20:00:56] 10VisualEditor, 10MediaWiki-Special-pages, 10Reading-Web-Backlog: Filter page listing specialpages by namespace ( Special:ShortPages, Special:LonelyPages, Special:DeadendPages) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T37758#393544 (10Jdlrobson) [20:33:11] (03PS1) 10Jforrester: Update OOjs UI to v0.22.4 [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/369480 [20:35:23] (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Update OOjs UI to v0.22.4 [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/369480 (owner: 10Jforrester) [20:48:24] (03PS2) 10Jforrester: Update OOjs UI to v0.22.4 [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/369480 [20:48:26] (03PS1) 10Jforrester: jsduck: Explcitly name library files so we don't pull in CSS files [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/369510 [20:54:17] (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] jsduck: Explcitly name library files so we don't pull in CSS files [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/369510 (owner: 10Jforrester) [21:01:27] 10VisualEditor, 10Contributors-Team, 10Reading-Web-Backlog, 10MW-1.30-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2017-08-01_(1.30.0-wmf.12)), and 2 others: Impossible to edit pages without sections on Minerva skin (including all pages in desktop Minerva) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T157995#3022810 (10Jdlrobson) The... [21:05:55] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: jsduck: Explcitly name library files so we don't pull in CSS files [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/369510 (owner: 10Jforrester) [21:13:25] James_F: ping? [21:13:42] Heya. [21:14:13] hey hey [21:15:02] question: how you guys feel about a VE maintenance window of 30 mins soon-ish? where soon-ish is the next week or two [21:15:15] What is a "VE maintenance window"? [21:15:20] the thing is that we would need to truncate some parsoid tables, which means that edits would fail [21:15:36] is a thing where people are not able to use VE during that time [21:15:39] Oh, you want to put a wiki (all wikis) into read-only for 30 minutes? [21:15:49] all WPs, to be exact [21:16:00] just for VE, wikitext editing is ok [21:16:04] The last time we did (DC switchover) that we gave the communities two months of warnings in dozens of languages. [21:16:19] There's no way to disable VE outwith disabling MediaWiki editing in general. [21:16:28] Doing it next week is really short notice. [21:16:30] oh i see [21:16:43] However, this is Deskana's direct responsibility nowadays. [21:16:47] yeah we would need just VE disabled [21:16:54] If it's desperately needed, so be it, but… [21:17:07] I get it [21:17:15] kk thnx for your thoughts [21:17:52] I basically wanted to assess the level of angriness that would cause in the communities and the complications around notifying people [21:18:04] neither of which seem trivial from what i can tell [21:18:13] It wouldn't be easy, yeah. [21:18:21] Sorry. :-( [21:19:25] heh np [21:22:59] we'll find an alternative approach [21:23:11] what are engineers for? :D [21:44:20] (03CR) 10Mooeypoo: [C: 032] Update OOjs UI to v0.22.4 [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/369480 (owner: 10Jforrester) [21:50:07] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update OOjs UI to v0.22.4 [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/369480 (owner: 10Jforrester) [21:53:42] 10VisualEditor, 10Contributors-Team, 10Reading-Web-Backlog, 10MW-1.30-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2017-08-01_(1.30.0-wmf.12)), and 2 others: Impossible to edit pages without sections on Minerva skin (including all pages in desktop Minerva) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T157995#3491162 (10bmansurov) a:... [21:57:54] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: Localisation updates from https://translatewiki.net. [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/369541 (owner: 10L10n-bot) [21:59:11] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: jsduck: Explcitly name library files so we don't pull in CSS files [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/369510 (owner: 10Jforrester) [22:11:36] (03PS1) 10Jforrester: Update VE core submodule to master (18ae4004f) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/369564 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171600) [22:18:43] (03CR) 10Deskana: [C: 032] Update VE core submodule to master (18ae4004f) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/369564 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171600) (owner: 10Jforrester) [22:19:10] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, 10Browser-Support-Internet-Explorer, 10MW-1.30-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2017-08-08_(1.30.0-wmf.13)), and 2 others: Show preview stopped working in IE 11 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171600#3491232 (10Deskana) 05Open>03Resolved [22:26:35] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update VE core submodule to master (18ae4004f) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/369564 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171600) (owner: 10Jforrester) [22:35:36] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: Update OOjs UI to v0.22.4 [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/369480 (owner: 10Jforrester) [22:53:50] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: Update VE core submodule to master (18ae4004f) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/369564 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171600) (owner: 10Jforrester) [23:01:00] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Links, 10Design: VisualEditor: Link input widget should have separate inputs for target and display text - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55973#1369909 (10ssastry) >>! In T55973#3224611, @Thryduulf wrote: > Well that news is a big di... [23:38:13] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-EditingTools, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Links, 10Design: VisualEditor: Link input widget should have separate inputs for target and display text - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55973#3491536 (10Whatamidoing-WMF) >>! In T55973#3491393, @ssastry wrote: > ... that hack is pr...