[00:30:52] 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile, 10MobileFrontend, 10Section Editing, 10MW-1.34-notes (1.34.0-wmf.4; 2019-05-07), and 2 others: Switching from source to visual editing in mobile web removes all other sections - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223023 (10suffusion_of_yellow) @matmarex: Also tried in my sa... [00:48:12] 10VisualEditor: VE mobile default: design A/B test - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T221195 (10ppelberg) [00:52:05] 10VisualEditor: VE mobile default: design A/B test - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T221195 (10ppelberg) [01:09:27] 10VisualEditor: VE mobile default: design A/B test - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T221195 (10ppelberg) ####Update | 14-May @Neil_P._Quinn_WMF and I discussed: - The sample size for this A/B test is going to be further limited by the fact that making VE the default will not override existing mobile contribu... [01:16:28] 10VisualEditor: VE mobile default: design A/B test - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T221195 (10ppelberg) [01:20:18] (03PS1) 10Milimetric: Remove mentions of schema.* ResourceLoader modules [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/510285 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223286) [01:23:13] 10VisualEditor: VE mobile default: design A/B test - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T221195 (10ppelberg) [01:40:52] 10Editing-team, 10serviceops, 10Beta-Cluster-reproducible, 10Core Platform Team Backlog (Next), 10Services (next): Citoid container: Our config.yaml provided via Docker is unused? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223344 (10Krenair) [01:43:53] 10Editing-team, 10serviceops, 10Beta-Cluster-reproducible, 10Core Platform Team Backlog (Next), 10Services (next): Zotero container: Latest production container lacking ca-certificates package - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223345 (10Krenair) [01:48:37] 10Citoid, 10Beta-Cluster-reproducible: Citoid only logs a debug message saying "No Zotero response available." if Zotero is refusing connections - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223346 (10Krenair) [01:49:55] 10Editing-team, 10Beta-Cluster-Infrastructure, 10Release Pipeline, 10serviceops, and 3 others: Migrate Beta cluster services to use Kubernetes - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T220235 (10Krenair) I've opened a couple of subtasks and T223346. Considering the Citoid service on sca01 is probably already br... [02:37:35] 10Editing-team, 10Beta-Cluster-Infrastructure, 10Release Pipeline, 10serviceops, and 4 others: Migrate Beta cluster services to use Kubernetes - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T220235 (10Krenair) Cherry-picked the above commit on deployment-puppetmaster, VE-Citoid integration appears to work again (thou... [03:33:26] 10Editing-team, 10serviceops, 10Beta-Cluster-reproducible, 10Core Platform Team Backlog (Next), 10Services (next): Citoid container: Our config.yaml provided via Docker is unused? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223344 (10Krenair) Maybe I can set override_cmd to handle this [04:12:20] 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile, 10MobileFrontend, 10Section Editing, 10MW-1.34-notes (1.34.0-wmf.4; 2019-05-07), and 2 others: Switching from source to visual editing in mobile web removes all other sections - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223023 (10E.S.A-Sheild) [04:32:36] 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile, 10MobileFrontend, 10Section Editing, 10MW-1.34-notes (1.34.0-wmf.4; 2019-05-07), and 2 others: Switching from source to visual editing in mobile web removes all other sections - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223023 (10hashar) 05Open→03Resolved a:03hashar [04:33:11] 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile, 10MobileFrontend, 10Section Editing, 10MW-1.34-notes (1.34.0-wmf.4; 2019-05-07), and 2 others: Switching from source to visual editing in mobile web removes all other sections - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223023 (10hashar) a:05hashar→03Esanders [04:40:23] 10Editing-team, 10serviceops, 10Beta-Cluster-reproducible, 10Core Platform Team Backlog (Next), 10Services (next): Citoid container: Our config.yaml provided via Docker is unused? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223344 (10Krenair) yep... Do wonder if service::docker should handle this somehow though. [04:46:25] 10Editing-team, 10Beta-Cluster-Infrastructure, 10Release Pipeline, 10serviceops, and 4 others: Migrate Beta cluster services to use Kubernetes - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T220235 (10Krenair) `krenair@deployment-docker-cxserver01:~$ sudo /usr/bin/docker run -p 8080:8080 -v /etc/mediawiki-services-cx... [05:30:23] 10VisualEditor: Toolbar is not supposed to float - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223354 (10Whatamidoing-WMF) [06:03:13] 10Editing-team, 10serviceops, 10Beta-Cluster-reproducible, 10Core Platform Team Backlog (Next), 10Services (next): Zotero container: Latest production container lacking ca-certificates package - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223345 (10Joe) It's working in production because we connect to external UR... [06:39:07] 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10MW-1.34-notes (1.34.0-wmf.5; 2019-05-14), 10Regression, 10Verified, 10VisualEditor (Current work): Preview of editing summary missing in VE - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T222999 (10matmarex) [07:22:53] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: Localisation updates from https://translatewiki.net. [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/510412 (owner: 10L10n-bot) [07:38:55] 10VisualEditor, 10I18n: [[MediaWiki:Cite-ve-othergroup-item/id]] translation issue - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223349 (10Reedy) [07:58:09] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 10User-Ryasmeen: Text immediately before a template is separated with an   - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95368 (10matmarex) 05Open→03Resolved This no longer seems to be a problem. No idea when or how it has been fixed. {F29055007} [08:14:14] 10Editing-team, 10serviceops, 10Beta-Cluster-reproducible, 10Core Platform Team Backlog (Next), 10Services (next): Zotero container: Latest production container lacking ca-certificates package - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223345 (10akosiaris) >>! In T223345#5183583, @Joe wrote: > It's working in... [08:18:53] 10Editing-team, 10Beta-Cluster-Infrastructure, 10Release Pipeline, 10serviceops, and 4 others: Migrate Beta cluster services to use Kubernetes - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T220235 (10akosiaris) >>! In T220235#5183451, @Krenair wrote: > `krenair@deployment-docker-cxserver01:~$ sudo /usr/bin/docker ru... [08:23:04] (03PS3) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: ve.init.mw.ArticleTargetLoader: Fix non-RESTBase #requestParsoidData with wikitext [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/507711 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T222312) [08:24:43] (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 03+2] Remove mentions of schema.* ResourceLoader modules [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/510285 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223286) (owner: 10Milimetric) [08:36:19] (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] ve.init.mw.ArticleTargetLoader: Fix non-RESTBase #requestParsoidData with wikitext [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/507711 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T222312) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [08:42:10] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Remove mentions of schema.* ResourceLoader modules [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/510285 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223286) (owner: 10Milimetric) [08:51:08] (03PS4) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: Allow switching with changes in non-RESTBase mode [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/507711 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T222312) [08:56:51] 10Citoid, 10Services, 10Beta-Cluster-reproducible: Citoid only logs a debug message saying "No Zotero response available." if Zotero is refusing connections - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223346 (10Mvolz) [08:57:58] (03PS5) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: Allow switching with changes in non-RESTBase mode [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/507711 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T214542) [08:59:13] (03PS6) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: Allow switching from WTE to VE with changes in non-RESTBase mode [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/507711 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T214542) [09:03:34] 10VisualEditor, 10Patch-For-Review: Unable to keep unsaved changes going from source to VisualEditor mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T214542 (10matmarex) Currently switching from wikitext to visual editor with changes is only enabled if the wiki you're using has RESTBase installed. Without it, switchi... [09:07:26] 10VisualEditor: WTE section=new mode allows switching to VE, but VE doesn't support this mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223369 (10matmarex) [09:09:17] 10VisualEditor: WTE section=new mode allows switching to VE, but VE doesn't support this mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223369 (10matmarex) (To reproduce this, you have to have a page that allows both VE and section=new. You can achieve this by enabling VE on talk pages, or adding `__NEWSECTIONLINK__`... [09:15:41] 10Cite, 10I18n: [[MediaWiki:Cite-ve-othergroup-item/id]] translation issue - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223349 (10Aklapper) These strings come from Cite, not VE :) [09:24:41] (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Allow switching from WTE to VE with changes in non-RESTBase mode [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/507711 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T214542) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [09:36:41] 10Cite, 10I18n: [[MediaWiki:Cite-ve-othergroup-item/id]] translation issue - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223349 (10Mvolz) p:05Triage→03Normal [09:45:40] (03CR) 10Hashar: "recheck" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/507711 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T214542) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [09:57:25] 10Cite, 10I18n: [[MediaWiki:Cite-ve-othergroup-item/id]] translation issue - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223349 (10Mvolz) @esanders did this change recently I think? "Label text for the toolbar items under the 'Insert' (other) group if VisualEditor is configured that way.\n\nParameters:\n* $1 – citatio... [09:58:33] (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Allow switching from WTE to VE with changes in non-RESTBase mode [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/507711 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T214542) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [10:14:08] 10Cite, 10I18n: [[MediaWiki:Cite-ve-othergroup-item/id]] translation issue - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223349 (10Mvolz) The good news this only effects wikis with wgCiteVisualEditorOtherGroup = true, which as far as I can tell is only the case on mediawiki.org and not in any other wiki, including non... [10:44:17] 10Cite, 10I18n: [[MediaWiki:Cite-ve-othergroup-item/id]] translation issue - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223349 (10Aklapper) Furthermore, in `Basic reference`, `reference` is [nominative](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_case). in `Reuse reference`, `reference` is [accusative](https://en.wikiped... [10:49:13] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Template:Cite_web doesn't work in Citoid in Banjar Wikipedia - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T222878 (10Mvolz) >>! In T222878#5171933, @cahyo.ramadhani wrote: > @Mvolz Ah, I see. I have added each template with TemplateData in the documentation. Could you please re-enable that so... [10:49:32] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 10User-Ryasmeen: Template:Cite_web doesn't work in Citoid in Banjar Wikipedia - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T222878 (10Mvolz) 05Open→03Resolved [10:54:31] 10Cite, 10VisualEditor, 10I18n: [[MediaWiki:Cite-ve-othergroup-item/id]] translation issue - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223349 (10Mvolz) It's possible we can get rid of these messages entirely. It seems to be down to a config wgCiteVisualEditorOtherGroup = true, which I don't understand why we have a... [10:54:34] 10Cite, 10VisualEditor, 10I18n: [[MediaWiki:Cite-ve-othergroup-item/id]] translation issue - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223349 (10Mvolz) [11:47:04] (03CR) 10Lucas Werkmeister (WMDE): [C: 03+2] "SWAT" [extensions/VisualEditor] (wmf/1.34.0-wmf.4) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/510217 (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [11:47:08] (03CR) 10Lucas Werkmeister (WMDE): [C: 03+2] "SWAT" [extensions/VisualEditor] (wmf/1.34.0-wmf.4) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/510218 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T221892) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [11:47:40] (03CR) 10Hashar: [C: 03+2] VisualEditorHooks: Use isVisualAvailable() when changing tabs/editsections [extensions/VisualEditor] (wmf/1.34.0-wmf.4) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/510217 (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [11:47:43] (03CR) 10Hashar: [C: 03+2] DesktopArticleTarget.init: Allow veaction=edit to override namespace settings [extensions/VisualEditor] (wmf/1.34.0-wmf.4) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/510218 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T221892) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [12:04:10] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: VisualEditorHooks: Use isVisualAvailable() when changing tabs/editsections [extensions/VisualEditor] (wmf/1.34.0-wmf.4) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/510217 (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [12:06:15] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: DesktopArticleTarget.init: Allow veaction=edit to override namespace settings [extensions/VisualEditor] (wmf/1.34.0-wmf.4) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/510218 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T221892) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [12:25:16] 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10MW-1.34-notes (1.34.0-wmf.5; 2019-05-14), 10Patch-For-Review, 10VisualEditor (Current work): &veaction=edit no longer overrides namespace settings (can't edit global sandbox page using VE) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T221892 (10matmarex) Patches have been deployed after... [12:44:26] 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10MW-1.34-notes (1.34.0-wmf.5; 2019-05-14), 10Patch-For-Review, 10VisualEditor (Current work): &veaction=edit no longer overrides namespace settings (can't edit global sandbox page using VE) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T221892 (10Kerry_Raymond) Thank you! [13:25:01] (03PS1) 10Krinkle: Hooks: Define specialBooksources with Title::getPrefixedText instead of decode(getPrefixedURL) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/510504 [13:28:44] 10VisualEditor: Toolbar is not supposed to float - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223354 (10matmarex) Steps to reproduce? [13:34:02] (03PS2) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: MobileArticleTarget: Update loading interface for new design [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/510068 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T217784) [13:48:46] (03CR) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: "It may be significant, this value is compared directly to Parsoid's output. I don't know what special brand of escaping special characters" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/510504 (owner: 10Krinkle) [15:02:42] 10VisualEditor, 10Product-Analytics: VE mobile default: analyze impact - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T221198 (10marcella) a:03Neil_P._Quinn_WMF [15:47:51] 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile, 10MW-1.34-notes (1.34.0-wmf.5; 2019-05-14), 10Patch-For-Review, 10VisualEditor (Current work): Mobile table editing should default to cell contents - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T211240 (10DLynch) @Ryasmeen Yeah, the constraints on that space are such that the table-i... [16:19:45] 10Editing-team, 10Beta-Cluster-Infrastructure, 10Release Pipeline, 10serviceops, and 4 others: Migrate Beta cluster services to use Kubernetes - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T220235 (10Krenair) I fiddled around with that and now the container exits after 15s without printing anything :| [16:31:21] 10VisualEditor, 10TCB-Team, 10Two-Column-Edit-Conflict-Merge, 10WMDE-QWERTY-Team, 10Regression: TwoColConflict browser tests failing because of VisualEditor welcome dialog - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223390 (10thiemowmde) [18:13:56] 10Editing-team, 10Beta-Cluster-Infrastructure, 10Release Pipeline, 10serviceops, and 4 others: Migrate Beta cluster services to use Kubernetes - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T220235 (10Krenair) Thank you to whoever has been following my progress and updating the *-beta.wmflabs.org proxies. I haven't... [18:16:07] 10VisualEditor, 10Product-Analytics: VE mobile default: design A/B test - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T221195 (10ppelberg) [18:51:31] 10Editing-team, 10Beta-Cluster-Infrastructure, 10Release Pipeline, 10serviceops, and 4 others: Migrate Beta cluster services to use Kubernetes - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T220235 (10Krenair) cxserver runs but does not seem to know about the basics: ` krenair@deployment-docker-cxserver01:~$ curl loc... [19:04:14] 10VisualEditor, 10Product-Analytics: VE mobile default: design A/B test - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T221195 (10ppelberg) One of the open questions about the A/B test is scale: //What can we do to make sure we have enough edit sessions to draw meaningful conclusions from the A/B test with a reasonable l... [19:07:52] 10VisualEditor, 10Product-Analytics: VE mobile default: design A/B test - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T221195 (10ppelberg) [20:04:06] (03PS4) 10TheDJ: Search: Add option to search whole words [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/476031 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T24478) [20:12:10] 10WikiEditor: Caps lock remained on when editing wiki text on iOS and "2010 wiki text editor" enabled - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T219480 (10TheDJ) I also experienced this.. But i don't remember having this problem before and i can't find any WikiEditor changes in the last two months that would explain i... [20:23:40] 10Editing-team, 10Beta-Cluster-Infrastructure, 10Release Pipeline, 10serviceops, and 4 others: Migrate Beta cluster services to use Kubernetes - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T220235 (10Krenair) Niklas found the solution to that one: set `mw_host: en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org` in conf - otherwise it d... [21:15:54] 10VisualEditor, 10Product-Analytics: Edit cards: instrument existing "adding/modifying links" flow - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T221296 (10ppelberg) [22:19:24] 10VisualEditor, 10Editing Design: [EPIC] Toolbar improvements - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T211255 (10ppelberg) In our 13-May meeting, @Esanders, @iamjessklein and I talked about how a unified toolbar would require icons for: # undo # text formatting # linking # closing editor # switching editors (w... [22:35:15] 10VisualEditor, 10Editing Design: [EPIC] Toolbar improvements - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T211255 (10Esanders) We should ensure we put "mobile" in the title of mobile tickets, and also use the Visualeditor-MediaWiki-Mobile tag. [22:36:14] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile, 10Editing Design: [EPIC] Mobile VE toolbar improvements - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T211255 (10ppelberg) [22:38:51] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile, 10Editing Design: [EPIC] Mobile VE toolbar improvements - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T211255 (10ppelberg) @Esanders good call – thank you for saying something. Updated. Will [do the same](https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T211255#5185861) on other ticke... [22:43:36] 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile, 10Editing Design, 10Design, 10Epic, 10VisualEditor (Current work): Edit cards: wireframe user flow for new and edited links - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T220385 (10ppelberg) ###13-May ###Discussed - This progression is potentially confusing: "✓" > "Publish..." > (... [22:48:32] 10VisualEditor: WTE section=new mode allows switching to VE, but VE doesn't support this mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223369 (10Esanders) Disable the switch to VE tool when section === 'new'? (Note also you can probably switch via edit tabs/shortcuts) [22:48:45] 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile, 10Editing Design, 10Design, 10Epic, 10VisualEditor (Current work): Edit cards: wireframe user flow for new and edited links - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T220385 (10ppelberg)