[00:06:52] (03CR) 10VolkerE: [C: 03+1] "This also concerns T217215 and should probably be connected. I don't see the question of gradient background color as more important than " [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/509882 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223155) (owner: 10Esanders) [01:15:14] 10Editing-team, 10OWC2020, 10VisualEditor (Current work): Create measurement plan - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T237545 (10ppelberg) === 20-Jan update - ADDED details about the two kinds of analysis [1] we have talked about conducting for this feature to the [Talk pages/Replying/Measurement plan](https... [01:39:48] 10VisualEditor, 10MW-1.35-release: Bundle VisualEditor extension with MediaWiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T243258 (10Legoktm) [01:42:08] 10Cite, 10VisualEditor: [Regression pre-wmf.16] Citation needed template is not getting replaced by the citation added from the VE context menu - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T243242 (10Ryasmeen) [01:45:09] 10VisualEditor, 10MW-1.35-release: Bundle VisualEditor extension with MediaWiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T243258 (10Legoktm) [01:46:16] 10TemplateData, 10VisualEditor, 10MW-1.35-release: Bundle TemplateData extension with MediaWiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T243259 (10Legoktm) [01:46:33] 10TemplateData, 10VisualEditor, 10MW-1.35-release: Bundle TemplateData extension with MediaWiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T243259 (10Legoktm) [01:47:51] 10TemplateData, 10VisualEditor, 10MW-1.35-release: Bundle TemplateData extension with MediaWiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T243259 (10Reedy) [01:48:03] 10TemplateData, 10VisualEditor, 10MW-1.35-release: Bundle TemplateData extension with MediaWiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T243259 (10Reedy) [01:48:16] 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.16; 2020-01-21), 10Skipped QA, 10VisualEditor (Current work): An EditNotice should be shown if $wgEmailConfirmToEdit is set to true and the user has not confirmed their email - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T241693 (10ppelberg) 05Open→03Resolved [01:48:42] 10VisualEditor-DataModel, 10MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.15; 2020-01-14), 10Verified, 10VisualEditor (Current work): Press backspace to remove a space before a colon make any chars typed then not considered while publishing - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T241906 (10ppelberg) 05Open→03Resolved [01:55:45] 10Cite, 10Parsoid, 10MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.15; 2020-01-14), 10Verified, 10VisualEditor (Current work): VE is transforming citation templates into formatted text with "cite class" tags (when copying a reference defined within template-generated reflist) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T209493 (10pp... [01:55:45] 10Editing-team, 10DiscussionTools, 10OWC2020, 10MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.16; 2020-01-21), and 2 others: Abandon changes dialog appears unexpectedly - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T241393 (10ppelberg) 05Open→03Resolved [01:55:45] 10Editing-team, 10DiscussionTools, 10OWC2020: Replies v1.0: release replying to specific comments - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T235923 (10ppelberg) [02:00:04] 10Cite, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 10MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.15; 2020-01-14), 10Verified, 10VisualEditor (Current work): References are not visually highlighted when they are a part of a larger text selection - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T241880 (10ppelberg) 05Open→03Resolved [02:00:49] 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 10MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.11; 2019-12-17), 10Skipped QA, 10VisualEditor (Current work): Collapsible elements are not visible in VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T236247 (10ppelberg) 05Open→03Resolved a:03ppelberg [02:01:07] 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, 10MediaWiki-Change-tagging, 10MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.14; 2020-01-07), 10Verified, 10VisualEditor (Current work): VisualEditor tag wrongly added to 2017 WTE edits that blank the page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T241797 (10ppelberg) 05Open→03Resolv... [02:02:30] 10TemplateData, 10MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.14; 2020-01-07), 10Verified, 10VisualEditor (Current work): Editing TemplateData and then closing the TemplateData dialog with the X button gets stuck - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T241819 (10ppelberg) 05Open→03Resolved [02:04:26] 10VisualEditor-DataModel, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 10User-Ryasmeen, 10User-notice, and 2 others: Problems with deleting/cutting/moving references in VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T234489 (10ppelberg) 05Open→03Resolved a:03ppelberg [02:04:46] 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile, 10User-Ryasmeen, 10Verified, 10VisualEditor (Current work): Scroll-past-infobox not working on many pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T235222 (10ppelberg) 05Open→03Resolved [03:27:21] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-VisualDiffs, 10MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.14; 2020-01-07), 10MobileFrontend (MobileFrontend Special Pages), and 3 others: Regression: issues with MobileDiff - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T242310 (10Masumrezarock100) >>! In T242310#5818081, @alexhollender wrote: > @Jdlrob... [03:45:17] 10VisualEditor: visual editor seems to automatically replace long (good) urls with short urls - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T243131 (10matmarex) Can you give an example of edits where this happens? [04:12:41] 10VisualEditor, 10OWC2020, 10Parsoid: Parsoid removes all newlines from the page when editing a table inside a list item `:{|` - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T240280 (10ssastry) I am not sure there is an easy fix for this on the Parsoid end. The crux of the matter can be demonstrated with this snippet:... [08:39:42] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-VisualDiffs, 10MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.14; 2020-01-07), 10MobileFrontend (MobileFrontend Special Pages), and 3 others: Regression: issues with MobileDiff - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T242310 (10Masumrezarock100) >>! In T242310#5818081, @alexhollender wrote: > @Jdlrob... [10:23:33] 10Citoid, 10Gerrit-Privilege-Requests, 10Operations, 10SRE-Access-Requests: Requesting +2 rights for Mvolz for operations/deployment-charts - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T243070 (10Mvolz) 05Resolved→03Open [10:23:36] 10Citoid, 10Operations, 10SRE-Access-Requests: Requesting access to Citoid/Zotero production servers for MVOLZ - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T213269 (10Mvolz) [10:24:04] 10Citoid, 10Gerrit-Privilege-Requests, 10Operations, 10SRE-Access-Requests: Requesting +2 rights for Mvolz for operations/deployment-charts - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T243070 (10Mvolz) Unfortunately I'm still not seeing the ability to +2 :/ [11:00:22] 10Citoid, 10Gerrit-Privilege-Requests, 10Operations, 10SRE-Access-Requests: Requesting +2 rights for Mvolz for operations/deployment-charts - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T243070 (10akosiaris) 05Open→03Resolved We resolved this live in a hangout with @Mvolz. Re-resolving [11:00:25] 10Citoid, 10Operations, 10SRE-Access-Requests: Requesting access to Citoid/Zotero production servers for MVOLZ - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T213269 (10akosiaris) [11:42:21] 10Cite, 10Book-Referencing: Investigation: Check if it's possible to fix the VE view in Cite alone - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T243278 (10WMDE-Fisch) [11:44:26] 10Cite, 10Book-Referencing, 10WMDE-QWERTY-Team, 10Regression: References with no visible content are reported as empty now - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T240548 (10WMDE-Fisch) I think this is fixed in {T242437} by https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/565990 - right? @thiemowmde @awight [11:45:03] 10Cite, 10Book-Referencing, 10WMDE-QWERTY-Team, 10Regression: References with no visible content are reported as empty now - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T240548 (10WMDE-Fisch) >>! In T240548#5819107, @WMDE-Fisch wrote: > I think this is fixed in {T242437} by https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/565990 - ri... [12:22:30] 10Cite, 10Book-Referencing: Investigation: Check if it's possible to fix the VE view in Cite alone - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T243278 (10WMDE-Fisch) [13:54:52] 10Cite, 10Book-Referencing, 10Patch-For-Review, 10Technical-Debt, and 4 others: Clean up implementation for "follow" cases - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T240858 (10Tobi_WMDE_SW) [14:13:04] 10Editing-team, 10Editing Design, 10OWC2020: Create mockup for a new approach to previewing a reply - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T238177 (10iamjessklein) Thanks @ppelberg - I've made the correction @AronManning - You've made a good point regarding proximity to content, so I made an iteration with a re... [14:14:58] 10Cite, 10Book-Referencing, 10WMDE-QWERTY-Sprint-2020-01-21: Investigation: Check if it's possible to fix the VE view in Cite alone - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T243278 (10Tobi_WMDE_SW) [14:45:27] 10Cite, 10Book-Referencing, 10TCB-Team, 10WMDE-QWERTY-Team, and 4 others: Unable to view some articles due to fatal LogicException: Cannot roll back missing named ref "" (from ReferenceStack.php) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T242437 (10WMDE-Fisch) 05Open→03Resolved Should be fixed. [15:01:39] 10VisualEditor, 10OWC2020, 10Parsoid: Parsoid removes all newlines from the page when editing a table inside a list item `:{|` - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T240280 (10ssastry) To be clear, supporting arbitrary HTML is part of Parsoid's long-term HTML -> wikitext roadmap ( we originally antiicpated hav... [15:46:13] 10Editing-team, 10Editing Design, 10OWC2020: Create mockup for a new approach to previewing a reply - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T238177 (10ppelberg) >>! In T238177#5819416, @iamjessklein wrote: > Thanks @ppelberg - I've made the correction 👌 [16:16:39] (03PS1) 10DLynch: TableNode: on mobile add a margin to an active table [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/566305 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T211240) [17:23:30] 10VisualEditor, 10OWC2020, 10Parsoid: Parsoid removes all newlines from the page when editing a table inside a list item `:{|` - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T240280 (10cscott) In particular, switching to native HTML tags would be a huge dirty diff on a typical talk page, because you need to switch the... [17:25:46] 10Editing-team, 10Growth-Team, 10VisualEditor (Current work): Audit notifications received by new users upon opening the editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T229887 (10DLynch) a:05DLynch→03None This is more work to audit than I have time to handle. The difficulty is mostly that any random wiki cou... [17:36:24] 10VisualEditor, 10Community-Tech: Spike: Named References in VE - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T243300 (10ifried) [17:54:07] 10Editing-team, 10OWC2020, 10VisualEditor (Current work): Create measurement plan - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T237545 (10Mayakp.wiki) This looks great. Thanks Peter! will discuss further in our meeting with Jason/Mikhail today. [18:48:52] 10VisualEditor, 10Community-Tech: Spike: Named References in VE - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T243300 (10ifried) [19:01:46] 10Cite, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References: Make a list of wikis that will probably want to have enabled by default - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T160971 (10Elitre) 05Open→03Stalled p:05Low→03Lowest [19:01:48] 10Cite, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests: Support wikis in converting reference lists over to `responsive` - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T159895 (10Elitre) [19:52:21] 10WikiEditor, 10Accessibility: [Accessibility] Form elements must have labels & Placeholder not showing when type of inputbox is search2 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T242354 (10Akinwale-microsoft) [19:53:40] 10VisualEditor, 10Community-Tech: Spike: Investigate Named References in VE - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T243300 (10ifried) [20:04:04] 10Cite, 10Parsoid: Implement and add html/parsoid sections for new citeParserTests - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T241164 (10cscott) More added in I250adfe741806400ffcb3e76b2a41b0a8b9422d8 [22:15:29] 10Editing-team, 10Editing Design, 10OWC2020: Create mockup for a new approach to previewing a reply - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T238177 (10iamjessklein) After thinking about it more, I think that this mockup is the direction that we should go in. My thinking is that (ideally) a user needs to read the... [22:15:47] 10Editing-team, 10OWC2020, 10VisualEditor (Current work): Remove max height on reply-widget-plain - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T243346 (10ppelberg) [22:16:30] 10Editing-team, 10OWC2020, 10VisualEditor (Current work): Remove max height on reply-widget-plain - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T243346 (10ppelberg) [22:16:52] 10Editing-team, 10OWC2020, 10VisualEditor (Current work): Remove max height on reply-widget-plain - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T243346 (10ppelberg) [22:16:54] 10Editing-team, 10VisualEditor, 10OWC2020: Replying v1.1: release to target wikis - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T242561 (10ppelberg) [22:22:50] 10Editing-team, 10Editing Design, 10OWC2020: Create mockup for a new approach to previewing a reply - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T238177 (10ppelberg) >>! In T238177#5819416, @iamjessklein wrote: > @AronManning - You've made a good point regarding proximity to content, +1, @iamjessklein...I'm glad yo... [22:26:41] 10Editing-team, 10Editing Design, 10OWC2020, 10VisualEditor (Current work): Create mockup for a new approach to previewing a reply - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T238177 (10ppelberg) a:05iamjessklein→03None [22:37:29] 10Editing-team, 10Editing Design, 10OWC2020, 10VisualEditor (Current work): Create mockup for a new approach to previewing a reply - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T238177 (10AronManning) >>! In T238177#5821313, @iamjessklein wrote: > After thinking about it more, I think that this mockup is the directi... [22:41:44] 10Editing-team, 10VisualEditor, 10OWC2020, 10Product-Analytics (Kanban): [Spike] What schema should be used to track talk page usage? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T240056 (10ppelberg) === 21-Jan update Notes from today's meeting below... **Decisions** - We will experiment with logging the new [Disc... [22:45:23] 10Editing-team, 10VisualEditor, 10OWC2020, 10Product-Analytics (Kanban): [Spike] What schema should be used to track talk page usage? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T240056 (10ppelberg) [22:45:50] 10Editing-team, 10VisualEditor, 10OWC2020, 10Product-Analytics (Kanban): [Spike] What schema should be used to track talk page usage? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T240056 (10ppelberg) [22:46:19] 10Editing-team, 10VisualEditor, 10OWC2020, 10Product-Analytics (Kanban): [Spike] What schema should be used to track talk page usage? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T240056 (10ppelberg) [22:57:25] 10VisualEditor, 10Community-Tech: Spike: Investigate Named References in VE - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T243300 (10Mooeypoo)