[00:01:51] (03CR) 10C. Scott Ananian: "recheck" [extensions/TemplateData] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/587597 (owner: 10C. Scott Ananian) [00:36:29] 10VisualEditor, 10Product-Analytics: Measure % of edits coming from users without JS - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T240697 (10kaldari) >This would be using saveSuccess as a way to limit it to sessions that resulted in successful edits. If either having-JS or not-having-JS makes saving substantially harde... [01:33:30] 10Editing-team, 10Editing Design, 10OWC2020 (New Discussion 1.0): Re-run control test of as-is new discussion workflow - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T247485 (10iamjessklein) Update April 9 - I ran another round of tests with the fixes above for the Article talk page test. While the test ran, I noticed... [01:42:03] 10Editing-team, 10Editing Design, 10OWC2020 (New Discussion 1.0): Start a new discussion: create design brief - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T247765 (10iamjessklein) I gave a presentation today sharing my work in progress brief with the team. [[ https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1gA7yI_ZX-ySEEU0gw... [02:09:21] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, 10Timeless, 10Editing-team (Tracking), and 3 others: Timeless skin: 13px editor font-size is very hard to read - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T247325 (10Evad37) Wow, 15.2px is really, //unpleasantly//, big... in my opinion anyway. For compar... [02:16:51] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, 10Timeless, 10Editing-team (Tracking), and 3 others: Timeless skin: 13px editor font-size is very hard to read - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T247325 (10Evad37) The difference is also really noticeable when enabling/disabling the code editor... [04:46:10] 10VisualEditor, 10Editing QA, 10MediaWiki-Page-editing, 10Editing-team (Q3 2019-2020 Kanban Board), and 4 others: Transcluded section edit links are broken in Minerva - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198011 (10Kipod) fwiw, i added to minerva.js on hewiki the following line, and the pencils are visible... [11:30:50] (03CR) 10Esanders: [C: 03+2] Match entity encoding in HTML comments to Parsoid [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/587363 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144708) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [11:32:55] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Match entity encoding in HTML comments to Parsoid [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/587363 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144708) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński) [12:57:16] 10Cite, 10Quality-and-Test-Engineering-Team (QTE), 10User-zeljkofilipin: Upgrade webdriverio to version 5 in mediawiki/extension/Cite - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249850 (10zeljkofilipin) p:05Triage→03Medium [12:57:27] 10Cite, 10Quality-and-Test-Engineering-Team (QTE), 10User-zeljkofilipin: Upgrade webdriverio to version 5 in mediawiki/extension/Cite - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249850 (10zeljkofilipin) [13:07:24] 10VisualEditor, 10Editing-team (Q3 2019-2020 Kanban Board), 10MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.25; 2020-03-24), 10User-Ryasmeen, and 2 others: Show sum/average when selecting multiple numeric cells in VE - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T247877 (10Esanders) [15:37:58] (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 03+2] "…" [extensions/TemplateData] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/587597 (owner: 10C. Scott Ananian) [15:49:39] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Improve directionality settings for TemplateDataBlob rendering [extensions/TemplateData] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/587597 (owner: 10C. Scott Ananian) [16:19:18] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid: Unified extension registration mechanism for core/VE/Parsoid - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T133320 (10cscott) [16:21:13] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid: Unified extension registration mechanism for core/VE/Parsoid - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T133320 (10cscott) [17:17:50] 10VisualEditor, 10Tracking-Neverending, 10User-Ryasmeen: VisualEditor: Non-English Wikipedia issues (tracking) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T53792 (10ssastry) [17:18:10] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10User-Ryasmeen: Parsoid's Cite implementation's HTML -> WT handler should discard tags if they have no content - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130224 (10ssastry) a:05ssastry→03None [17:38:58] 10VisualEditor, 10Product-Analytics: Measure % of edits coming from users without JS - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T240697 (10kaldari) To answer my own question, it looks like we could limit it to cases where editor_interface = wikitext and integration = page for the no-JS number. [17:39:07] 10Cite, 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10Editing-team (Q3 2019-2020 Kanban Board), and 2 others: Unexpected DOM diff on a node after an edit - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144708 (10ssastry) 05Open→03Resolved a:05ssastry→03matmarex Filed {T249940} for Parsoid's DOMDiff code. [17:57:31] 10VisualEditor, 10Product-Analytics: Measure % of edits coming from users without JS - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T240697 (10kaldari) @ppelberg - Well, it's after the holidays, but probably an even worse time to bring this up. Regardless, we need this data to move forward with our no-JS guidelines for e... [18:07:55] (03PS4) 10Esanders: Tag WikiEditor edits with a hidden tag [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/587228 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249038) [18:27:35] 10WikiEditor, 10Analytics, 10Analytics-Data-Quality, 10Analytics-EventLogging, 10Mobile: WikiEditor records all edits as desktop edits in EventLogging - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249944 (10kaldari) [18:30:13] (03PS5) 10Esanders: Tag WikiEditor edits with a hidden tag [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/587228 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249038) [18:31:37] (03PS6) 10Esanders: Tag WikiEditor edits with a hidden tag [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/587228 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249038) [18:31:41] (03CR) 10Esanders: "Fixed." [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/587228 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249038) (owner: 10Esanders) [18:42:34] 10VisualEditor, 10Product-Analytics: Measure % of edits coming from users without JS - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T240697 (10DLynch) @kaldari Yeah, you beat me to it -- API requests shouldn't do any of this logging, and (assuming that the apps are both doing their logging and tagging it correctly) we ca... [18:44:22] 10Editing-team, 10Editing Design, 10OWC2020: Create "journey map" for "Talk pages project" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T247763 (10ppelberg) [18:44:58] 10Editing-team, 10Editing Design, 10OWC2020: Create "journey map" for "Talk pages project" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T247763 (10ppelberg) [18:46:01] 10Editing-team, 10Editing Design, 10OWC2020: Create "journey map" for "Talk pages project" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T247763 (10ppelberg) **Update: 10-April** - The task description now reflects the conclusions @iamjessklein and I came to during our meeting today [18:56:19] (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 03+1] "> Patch Set 3:" [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/587228 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249038) (owner: 10Esanders) [20:08:41] 10VisualEditor, 10Product-Analytics: Measure % of edits coming from users without JS - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T240697 (10kaldari) @DLynch - Interestingly, disabling JS on the mobile web relegates you to using the core/WikiEditor editor, which always reports as "desktop" (T249944), so breaking it out... [21:40:14] 10VisualEditor: vehidebetadialog doesn't work for page views, gets erased when user clicks edit - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249957 (10Catrope) [21:48:29] 10VisualEditor: vehidebetadialog doesn't work for page views, gets erased when user clicks edit - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249957 (10Catrope) This only breaks in single edit tab mode. When there are two edit tabs, the logic for building the new URL is different and extends the existing URL. When there... [21:51:13] 10VisualEditor: vehidebetadialog doesn't work for page views, gets erased when user clicks edit - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249957 (10Catrope) This behavior (of always using `viewUri` in SET mode) was added in {748db015b041a91371829d1845d96fbc445442ed} without a real explanation in the commit message. [21:58:18] (03PS1) 10Catrope: DesktopArticleTarget.init: Also extend existing URL in SET mode [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/588048 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249957) [21:58:32] 10Editing-team, 10NewcomerTasks 1.2, 10Growth-Team (Current Sprint): Newcomer tasks: suppress editor popups for guidance - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T235566 (10Catrope) [21:58:36] 10VisualEditor, 10Patch-For-Review: vehidebetadialog doesn't work for page views, gets erased when user clicks edit - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249957 (10Catrope) [21:58:48] 10Editing-team, 10NewcomerTasks 1.2, 10Growth-Team (Current Sprint): Newcomer tasks: suppress editor popups for guidance - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T235566 (10Catrope) a:03Catrope [22:05:51] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor: Merge vehidebetadialog and hidewelcomedialog URL parameters - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249954 (10Aklapper) [22:06:05] 10VisualEditor: Merge vehidebetadialog and hidewelcomedialog URL parameters - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249954 (10Aklapper) [23:39:43] 10VisualEditor, 10Growth-Team, 10MediaWiki-extensions-GuidedTour: Allow hiding VE onboarding experience programmatically to avoid sidetracking users using a different onboarding experience - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T122623 (10Catrope) [23:39:46] 10Editing-team, 10NewcomerTasks 1.2, 10Growth-Team (Current Sprint): Newcomer tasks: suppress editor popups for guidance - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T235566 (10Catrope) [23:40:05] 10VisualEditor, 10Patch-For-Review: vehidebetadialog doesn't work for page views, gets erased when user clicks edit - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249957 (10Catrope) a:03Catrope [23:40:19] 10VisualEditor, 10Growth-Team, 10MediaWiki-extensions-GuidedTour: Allow hiding VE onboarding experience programmatically to avoid sidetracking users using a different onboarding experience - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T122623 (10Catrope) a:03Catrope [23:49:01] 10VisualEditor: Add URL parameter to prevent edit notices popup from being opened on load - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249971 (10Catrope) [23:49:09] 10VisualEditor: Add URL parameter to prevent edit notices popup from being opened on load - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249971 (10Catrope) a:03Catrope [23:50:28] (03PS1) 10Catrope: Allow hiding education popups using ?vehideusered=1 [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/588058 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T122623) [23:50:30] (03PS1) 10Catrope: Allow suppressing the notices popup with ?vehidenotices=1 [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/588059 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249971) [23:52:14] 10Editing-team, 10NewcomerTasks 1.2, 10Growth-Team (Current Sprint): Newcomer tasks: suppress editor popups for guidance - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T235566 (10Catrope) I've submitted patches for all three of the subtasks in VE. Once those are merged, the guidance feature should be able to suppress a... [23:52:23] 10Editing-team, 10OWC2020: [Epic] Increase response rates - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T233447 (10ppelberg) **Sub-pages and notifications** Some helpful feedback from @Parkywiki about how the lack of notifications that are sent on sub-pages can cause delays in communication: > Nick Moyes writing in [T...