[05:04:48] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10MW-1.35-release, 10SQLite: Zeroconf VisualEditor/Parsoid doesn't seem to work on SQLite - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259685 (10Legoktm) [05:19:41] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10MW-1.35-release, 10SQLite: Zeroconf VisualEditor/Parsoid doesn't seem to work on SQLite - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259685 (10cscott) [05:19:45] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10Editing-team (Tracking), 10MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.41; 2020-07-14), and 3 others: Uncached VisualEditor w/ Parsoid/PHP (no JS, no RESTBase) for MW 1.35 LTS - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T248343 (10cscott) [09:26:25] 10Editing-team, 10Editing Design, 10MediaWiki-Page-editing, 10MinervaNeue, and 4 others: Mobile web (and Minerva desktop) does not present edit notices - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T201595 (10TheDJ) >>! In T201595#6356813, @Proc wrote: >> on wiki edit notices can be extremely verbose > > I guess we... [09:51:10] 10TemplateData, 10VisualEditor, 10WMDE-Technical-Wishes-Team, 10WMDE-Templates-FocusArea, and 2 others: Run script to collect one-time stats about TemplateData - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258924 (10ECohen_WMDE) @awight I see your point about the difference. In which way is it currently being colle... [10:12:55] 10TemplateData, 10VisualEditor, 10WMDE-Technical-Wishes-Team, 10WMDE-Templates-FocusArea, and 2 others: Run script to collect one-time stats about TemplateData - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258924 (10awight) >>! In T258924#6362225, @ECohen_WMDE wrote: > In which way is it currently being collected?... [10:27:31] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10MW-1.35-release: Setting up VisualEditor following Parsoid/PHP instruction result in HTTP 500 Restbase error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259693 (10VulpesVulpes825) [10:27:53] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10MW-1.35-release: Setting up VisualEditor following Parsoid/PHP instruction result in HTTP 500 Restbase error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259693 (10VulpesVulpes825) [10:28:20] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10MW-1.35-release: Setting up VisualEditor following Parsoid/PHP instruction result in HTTP 500 Restbase error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259693 (10VulpesVulpes825) [10:28:25] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10Editing-team (Tracking), 10MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.41; 2020-07-14), and 3 others: Uncached VisualEditor w/ Parsoid/PHP (no JS, no RESTBase) for MW 1.35 LTS - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T248343 (10VulpesVulpes825) [10:42:08] 10TemplateData, 10VisualEditor, 10WMDE-Technical-Wishes-Team, 10WMDE-Templates-FocusArea, and 2 others: Run script to collect one-time stats about TemplateData - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258924 (10ECohen_WMDE) Thanks for the extra explanation! I understand what you mean (incl the limitations it p... [10:44:58] 10TemplateData, 10VisualEditor, 10WMDE-Technical-Wishes-Team, 10WMDE-Templates-FocusArea, and 2 others: Run script to collect one-time stats about TemplateData - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258924 (10ECohen_WMDE) Also to note, my main high level takeaways are: 1. My primary hypothesis is true - spe... [10:54:02] 10TemplateData, 10VisualEditor, 10WMDE-Technical-Wishes-Team, 10WMDE-Templates-FocusArea, and 2 others: Run script to collect one-time stats about TemplateData - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258924 (10ECohen_WMDE) 3. When inserting a new template, it is very unlikely that a user would see a checkbox... [12:17:51] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Templates, 10WMDE-Technical-Wishes-Team, 10WMDE-Templates-FocusArea, and 2 others: Investigation: Link to VE media selector - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258195 (10ECohen_WMDE) [12:30:07] 10Citoid, 10serviceops-radar, 10Patch-For-Review: Bump zotero base images from stretch to buster - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258158 (10Mvolz) Requested 10 get added to CI here upstream: https://github.com/zotero/translation-server/issues/118 [13:04:16] 10VisualEditor, 10Community-Tech, 10MediaWiki-extensions-TemplateWizard, 10WMDE-Templates-FocusArea: Log template metadata whenever a template dialog is opened - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259705 (10awight) [13:06:04] 10TemplateData, 10VisualEditor, 10WMDE-Technical-Wishes-Team, 10WMDE-Templates-FocusArea, and 2 others: Run script to collect one-time stats about TemplateData - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258924 (10awight) >>! In T258924#6362299, @ECohen_WMDE wrote: > I've attached my prelim analysis Really inspi... [13:12:46] 10VisualEditor, 10Community-Tech, 10MediaWiki-extensions-TemplateWizard, 10WMDE-Templates-FocusArea: Log template metadata whenever a template dialog is opened - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259705 (10ECohen_WMDE) [13:16:13] 10VisualEditor, 10Community-Tech, 10MediaWiki-extensions-TemplateWizard, 10WMDE-Templates-FocusArea: Log template metadata whenever a template dialog is opened - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259705 (10ECohen_WMDE) Nice! I added the parent task, which should maybe be edited since I think now these ove... [13:50:31] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10MW-1.35-release, 10SQLite: Zeroconf VisualEditor/Parsoid doesn't seem to work on SQLite - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259685 (10Arlolra) Yeah, this was a problem with Parsoid/JS and SQLite as well, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Vde0xothlxmwzg2y [14:08:46] 10TemplateData, 10VisualEditor, 10WMDE-Technical-Wishes-Team, 10WMDE-Templates-FocusArea, and 2 others: Run script to collect one-time stats about TemplateData - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258924 (10ECohen_WMDE) Cool! Glad you like it. Just trying to figure out what the most relevant insights are f... [15:19:38] 10VisualEditor, 10Growth-Team, 10StructuredDiscussions, 10Wikimedia-production-error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'ownerDocument' of undefined - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259531 (10Jdlrobson) It always seems to be user IP talk pages e.g. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_talk:100.24... [15:31:38] 10VisualEditor, 10Growth-Team, 10StructuredDiscussions, 10Wikimedia-production-error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'ownerDocument' of undefined / TypeError: context is undefined - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259531 (10Jdlrobson) [15:33:56] 10VisualEditor, 10Growth-Team, 10StructuredDiscussions, 10Wikimedia-production-error: Uncaught Error: Cannot insert mwHeading even after closing all containing nodes (at index 2) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259718 (10Jdlrobson) [16:09:20] 10Cite, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References: Come up with a better way to auto-label references - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92432 (10ifried) Hey, @AntiCompositeNumber, thanks for pinging me! Yes, the Community Tech team did receive a wish from the 2019 wishlist to [[ https://meta.wik... [16:47:45] 10VisualEditor, 10Growth-Team, 10Parsoid, 10StructuredDiscussions: HTML tags wrapped inside tags when writing a Flow post - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259729 (10matmarex) [16:50:26] 10TemplateData, 10VisualEditor, 10WMDE-Technical-Wishes-Team, 10WMDE-Templates-FocusArea, and 2 others: Run script to collect one-time stats about TemplateData - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258924 (10ECohen_WMDE) @awight Was going through the data and just noticed that there isn't a count for how of... [16:56:37] 10VisualEditor, 10Growth-Team, 10Parsoid, 10StructuredDiscussions: HTML tags wrapped inside tags when writing a Flow post - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259729 (10ssastry) Maybe they typed `~~~~` in visual mode? [16:56:55] 10VisualEditor: Exception when pasting specific text: Uncaught Error: Annotation with hash h239fd2c5223f3ea1 not found in store - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259730 (10matmarex) [17:33:02] 10VisualEditor, 10DiscussionTools, 10Editing-team (FY2020-21 Kanban Board), 10OWC2020 (Reply Tool Opt Out), 10Patch-For-Review: Explore enabling wikis to customize what syntax is used for @ mentions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T250332 (10JTannerWMF) @esanders will pick this up [17:38:35] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 10Editing Design, 10Accessibility, and 2 others: VisualEditor manual references box clicking doesn’t work with the new iPadOS 13.4 cursor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T257046 (10JTannerWMF) @iamjessklein will test this on her ipad by connecting a... [17:38:41] 10VisualEditor, 10Editing-team (FY2020-21 Kanban Board), 10MW-1.36-notes (1.36.0-wmf.3; 2020-08-04): Cookie “VEE” will be soon rejected because it has the “sameSite” attribute set to “none” or an invalid value, without the “secure” attribute. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T252597 (10matmarex) [17:50:43] 10VisualEditor, 10MobileFrontend, 10Browser-Support-Apple-Safari, 10Editing-team (FY2020-21 Kanban Board): iPad, mobile mode, text editing is unstable - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T255173 (10JTannerWMF) We decided not to merge in T259321 and whichever engineer picks this up should investigate what t... [17:51:15] 10VisualEditor, 10DiscussionTools, 10Editing-team (FY2020-21 Kanban Board), 10OWC2020 (Reply Tool Opt Out), 10Patch-For-Review: Explore enabling wikis to customize what syntax is used for @ mentions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T250332 (10Esanders) We weren't using the content language for the pre... [17:52:16] 10VisualEditor, 10MobileFrontend, 10Browser-Support-Apple-Safari, 10Editing-team (FY2020-21 Kanban Board): iPad, mobile mode, text editing is unstable - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T255173 (10matmarex) @Dough34 If you're able to record your screen while experiencing this problem and upload the record... [18:14:50] 10Cite, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References: Come up with a better way to auto-label references - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92432 (10Valereee) My apologies; I didn't mean to make this personal and shouldn't have said that. I'm just finding it so difficult to understand how anyone who... [18:17:09] 10Cite, 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References: Come up with a better way to auto-label references - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92432 (10Valereee) @AntiCompositeNumber, and yes, if this is something we need to pay someone to do because it's not interesting for volunteer developers, then... [18:27:21] edsanders: good q re: abstract wikipedia [18:27:56] it's interesting that instead of investing in (say) constructing language models for minority languages, we've instead doubled-down on appealing to the "white mathematician" user group [18:36:37] that is my concern [18:39:06] want to lay a bet that the initial languages selected for abstract wiki (a) include english and german, and (b) don't include any asian languages? [18:39:45] double or nothing if the languages selected are all european, although i'd *hope* that would be embarrassing enough to draw notice. [18:42:04] this is what (when I put my local politics hat on) we call structural racism: everyone seems to mean well, and aren't aware they are making decisions that have anything to do with race, but they perpetuate already-existing advantages inherent in the platform, instead of working against them in any way [18:43:02] "in theory" it creates more content for minority languages, but *in practice* the language models don't exist for these, so it just increases the content available to european languages. [18:44:08] and as long as the language models lag for non-european countries, this project will always disproportionately benefit the already-powerful [19:15:32] Yes - and that is a problem even if you have some magic machine learning that allows you to input free text instead of building a structured data set [19:18:43] even more so, because that magic machine learning is only available in majority languages [19:19:24] i just wrote an email to this effect to wikimedia-l, hopefully i've pitched it right [19:19:57] i probably should have asked the question in the tech leads meeting, as you did (thanks again for that), but it took me a little while to gather my thoughts and we'd moved on by then [19:23:45] 10TemplateData, 10VisualEditor, 10WMDE-Technical-Wishes-Team, 10WMDE-Templates-FocusArea, and 2 others: Run script to collect one-time stats about TemplateData - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258924 (10awight) >>! In T258924#6363419, @ECohen_WMDE wrote: > @awight Was going through the data and just no... [19:28:53] It sounds very sensible to me [19:29:32] I already had my question because I'd been discussing the project with James last week :) [19:50:23] (03PS1) 10Krinkle: README: Add link to live demo [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/618596 [19:58:02] (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] README: Add link to live demo [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/618596 (owner: 10Krinkle) [20:02:13] (03PS1) 10Krinkle: jsduck: Add UI classes to Diffing category [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/618599 [20:10:09] (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] jsduck: Add UI classes to Diffing category [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/618599 (owner: 10Krinkle) [21:38:32] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, 10VisualEditor-Tables, 10Parsoid: Position of table caption in source confuses VE - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259522 (10ssastry) p:05Triage→03Low [21:39:29] (03PS1) 10VolkerE: Update OOUI to v0.40.1 [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/618627 [21:40:05] 10Editing-team, 10VisualEditor, 10JavaScript, 10Wikimedia-production-error: Production error: Cannot read property 'insertBefore' of null (VeCeDocumentNode.ve.ce.BranchNode.setupSlugs ) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258190 (10Umherirrender) [21:41:30] 10VisualEditor, 10OOUI, 10JavaScript, 10Wikimedia-production-error: TypeError: element is undefined (getAccessKeyLabel) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258428 (10Umherirrender) [21:41:50] 10VisualEditor, 10Growth-Team, 10Parsoid, 10StructuredDiscussions: HTML tags wrapped inside tags when writing a Flow post - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259729 (10ssastry) p:05Triage→03Medium [21:47:16] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10Documentation, 10MW-1.35-release: Update VisualEditor documentation for Parsoid-PHP loopback configuration - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259191 (10ssastry) p:05Triage→03Medium [21:47:55] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10MW-1.35-release: Setting up VisualEditor following Parsoid/PHP instruction result in HTTP 500 Restbase error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259693 (10ssastry) p:05Triage→03Medium [21:56:17] (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 03+2] Update OOUI to v0.40.1 [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/618627 (owner: 10VolkerE) [21:56:53] (03Abandoned) 10Jforrester: Update OOUI to v0.40.0 [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/617561 (owner: 10VolkerE) [22:04:08] (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Update OOUI to v0.40.1 [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/618627 (owner: 10VolkerE) [22:06:36] 10VisualEditor, 10Growth-Team, 10StructuredDiscussions, 10JavaScript, 10Wikimedia-production-error: Uncaught Error: Cannot insert mwHeading even after closing all containing nodes (at index 2) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259718 (10Umherirrender) [22:08:16] 10VisualEditor, 10Growth-Team, 10StructuredDiscussions, 10JavaScript, 10Wikimedia-production-error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'ownerDocument' of undefined / TypeError: context is undefined - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259531 (10Umherirrender) [22:09:48] 10VisualEditor, 10JavaScript, 10Wikimedia-production-error: TypeError: rects is null (from VE FindAndReplaceDialog) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T255617 (10Umherirrender) [22:13:06] 10VisualEditor, 10Growth-Team, 10StructuredDiscussions, 10JavaScript, 10Wikimedia-production-error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'isWrapped' of null - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259634 (10Umherirrender) [22:37:53] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10MW-1.35-release: Setting up VisualEditor following Parsoid/PHP instruction result in HTTP 500 Restbase error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259693 (10Legoktm) Don't follow the instructions on the "Developer Setup" wiki page, that's for developers and well, outdated for 1.35... [22:45:49] (03CR) 10VolkerE: [C: 04-2] "Still broken, the icon JSON files are continuously missing :(" [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/618627 (owner: 10VolkerE) [23:19:17] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10MW-1.35-release: Setting up VisualEditor following Parsoid/PHP instruction result in HTTP 500 Restbase error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259693 (10cscott) If you use the downloaded tarball for 1.35.0-rc.0, you should be able to just select the checkbox for the 'visual ed... [23:36:30] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10MW-1.35-release, 10SQLite: Zeroconf VisualEditor/Parsoid doesn't seem to work on SQLite - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259685 (10Legoktm) Confirmed that it's an issue with not being able to open the database while another request has it open. My debug log hangs at: ` [DBC... [23:59:21] 10Editing-team, 10DiscussionTools, 10OWC2020 (OWC2020 Replying 1.0): Undertake and pass a security review for the DiscussionTools extension - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T240471 (10matmarex) This was done in T242134 [23:59:30] 10Editing-team, 10DiscussionTools, 10OWC2020 (OWC2020 Replying 1.0): Undertake and pass a security review for the DiscussionTools extension - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T240471 (10matmarex)