[00:17:52] <wikibugs>	 (03PS15) 10Esanders: Deep-freeze linear data [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/463238 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119236)
[00:17:54] <wikibugs>	 (03PS2) 10Esanders: WIP: Deep-freeze linear data added by transactions [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/656995 (owner: 10Divec)
[00:25:55] <wikibugs>	 (03PS11) 10Esanders: Daff table diffing [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/455321 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T158445) (owner: 10Tchanders)
[05:41:10] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10Gergő Tisza: [C: 04-1] "parseFileSyntax() needs to handle the new parameter. Looks good otherwise." [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/635053 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T260006) (owner: 10Ammarpad)
[09:48:48] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Templates, 10Community-Tech, 10MediaWiki-extensions-TemplateWizard, and 3 others: Fuzzier search - search for keywords out of order in template search (Template findability) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T271802 (10Lena_WMDE)
[09:53:10] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Templates, 10Community-Tech, 10MediaWiki-extensions-TemplateWizard, and 2 others: Investigation: improved template search - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T272457 (10Lena_WMDE)
[11:16:10] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Templates, 10Community-Tech, 10MediaWiki-extensions-TemplateWizard, and 2 others: Investigation: improved template search - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T272457 (10Tobi_WMDE_SW)
[12:12:09] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-CopyPaste, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References: Allow copy-and-paste to reuse an existing citation (instead of always automatically renaming the reference) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T272251 (10Esanders) Silently keeping the same reference could lead to more errors, ev...
[12:14:29] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10WMDE-Templates-FocusArea: VisualEditor template dialog should make good use of screen size - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T272245 (10Esanders)
[12:16:53] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-ContentEditable, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References: Unable to place cursor or type after reference at end of line - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T272207 (10Esanders)
[12:30:45] <wikibugs>	 (03PS10) 10Ammarpad: Allow specifying alt-text in File dialog [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/635053 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T260006)
[12:52:59] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Allow specifying alt-text in File dialog [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/635053 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T260006) (owner: 10Ammarpad)
[12:58:49] <wikibugs>	 (03PS11) 10Ammarpad: Allow specifying alt-text in File dialog [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/635053 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T260006)
[13:38:21] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10Ammarpad: "> Patch Set 9: Code-Review-1" [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/635053 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T260006) (owner: 10Ammarpad)
[15:39:09] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Analytics-Data-Quality, 10WMDE-TechWish: Investigate missing dialog close events - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T272020 (10awight)
[16:02:49] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Editing-team (FY2020-21 Kanban Board): Unable to open or switch to VE within UI - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T269194 (10Esanders) I can't reproduce this.
[16:29:56] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10ContentTranslation, 10Language-Team, and 2 others: Suppress EditAttemptStep events from visual editor reusers like Content Translation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T270636 (10MNeisler) a:05MNeisler→03None >  In the meantime, @MNeisler can you please re...
[16:51:55] <wikibugs>	 10Editing-team, 10DiscussionTools, 10OWC2020: Make New Discussion Tool available as opt-out feature at partner wikis - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T271964 (10ppelberg)
[16:52:12] <wikibugs>	 10Editing-team, 10DiscussionTools, 10Editing Design, 10OWC2020: Redesign empty state for talk pages that have not been created - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T252902 (10ppelberg)
[17:04:54] <Charly-WikibaseS>	 Hi!
[17:05:06] <Charly-WikibaseS>	 Question and/or suggestion
[17:05:26] <Charly-WikibaseS>	 We've developed a Form extension for MW that utilizes VE and the TinyMCE extensions. WSForm (extension name) has an autosave option. Now with TinyMCE I can just set an on change event in case something has changed inside the editor.
[17:05:26] <Charly-WikibaseS>	 With VE I cannot find such functionality leaving me running a DOM observer.
[17:05:27] <Charly-WikibaseS>	 So my question... am I missing something ? and if not, my suggestion : Could you create an on change event listener for VE ?
[17:23:48] <wikibugs>	 10TemplateData, 10VisualEditor, 10Abstract Wikipedia (Phase γ): WikiLambda initial installation fails when TemplateData is installed - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T272231 (10DVrandecic)
[17:24:40] <wikibugs>	 10TemplateData, 10VisualEditor, 10Abstract Wikipedia (Phase γ): WikiLambda initial installation fails when TemplateData is installed - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T272231 (10DVrandecic) p:05Triage→03Medium
[17:28:31] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10MediaWiki-Parser, 10Parsoid, 10Parsoid-Rendering, 10Wikipedia-Android-App-Backlog: Strip state: {{Row numbers}} completely fails on the Android app / VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T203293 (10Arlolra)
[18:05:56] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor: Visual editor gives erroneous warning about missing edit summary when switching editing modes - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T186531 (10Tacsipacsi)
[18:43:47] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-VisualDiffs, 10Patch-For-Review: Sidebar items are shown in wrong order in visual diffs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T272315 (10matmarex) > Also, the localisation messages for ⧼visualeditor-diff-moved-down⧽ are missing.  Fixed in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawik...
[18:47:44] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: [C: 03+2] Create a separate descriptionItemsStack for each reflist [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/657212 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T272315) (owner: 10Esanders)
[18:48:39] <wikibugs>	 (03PS1) 10Esanders: Factor out disableVETabsForAnons [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/657389 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T264950)
[18:52:08] <wikibugs>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Create a separate descriptionItemsStack for each reflist [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/657212 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T272315) (owner: 10Esanders)
[18:55:02] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-VisualDiffs, 10Patch-For-Review: Sidebar items are shown in wrong order in visual diffs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T272315 (10matmarex) With the patch applied: {F34009742}
[18:56:36] <wikibugs>	 (03PS1) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: Update VE core submodule to master (36e21385b) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/657393 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T272314)
[18:56:48] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: [C: 03+2] Update VE core submodule to master (36e21385b) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/657393 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T272314) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[18:57:05] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10Jforrester: "This is going to need the Cite patch to be force-merged for it to land." [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/657393 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T272314) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[18:57:37] <wikibugs>	 (03PS2) 10Jforrester: Update VE core submodule to master (36e21385b) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/657393 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T272314) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[19:18:09] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 10Editing-team (FY2020-21 Kanban Board), 10User-Kizule: Enable VisualEditor by default for all users of the ku.wikipedia - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T270841 (10Kizule) This is done.  1. VisualEditor disappeared from the "beta features" {F34009756} 2. "Edit...
[19:27:59] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile, 10Editing-team (FY2020-21 Kanban Board): Mobile should inherit desktop editing preferences - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T261423 (10Esanders) @Ryasmeen  For all the failure cases (10/24/25) you state that it uses the previously opened editor for that dev...
[19:33:56] <wikibugs>	 (03PS2) 10Esanders: Factor out disableVETabsForAnons [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/657389 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T264950)
[19:41:50] <wikibugs>	 (03PS3) 10Esanders: MWSaveDialog: Use MessageWidget (inline, warning) to show save dialog warnings [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/656205
[19:48:39] <wikibugs>	 10Editing-team, 10WikiEditor, 10JavaScript, 10Wikimedia-production-error: Uncaught TypeError: $button.trigger is not a function - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T272171 (10thcipriani)
[19:52:05] <wikibugs>	 (03PS1) 10Esanders: MWWikitextStringTransferHandler: Factor out Parsoid->DOM conversion [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/657405
[20:01:45] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Factor out disableVETabsForAnons [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/657389 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T264950) (owner: 10Esanders)
[20:04:06] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] MWSaveDialog: Use MessageWidget (inline, warning) to show save dialog warnings [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/656205 (owner: 10Esanders)
[20:13:50] <wikibugs>	 (03PS5) 10Esanders: CitoidAction: Pass inStaging param [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/634977
[20:15:46] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] MWWikitextStringTransferHandler: Factor out Parsoid->DOM conversion [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/657405 (owner: 10Esanders)
[20:17:39] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10Esanders: "recheck" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/657389 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T264950) (owner: 10Esanders)
[20:19:31] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] CitoidAction: Pass inStaging param [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/634977 (owner: 10Esanders)
[20:26:45] <wikibugs>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update VE core submodule to master (36e21385b) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/657393 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T272314) (owner: 10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[20:32:21] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-VisualDiffs, 10Editing-team (FY2020-21 Kanban Board), 10Patch-For-Review: "References" section always has a grey background for some reason in visual diffs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T272314 (10matmarex)
[20:32:29] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-VisualDiffs, 10Editing-team (FY2020-21 Kanban Board), 10Patch-For-Review: Sidebar items are shown in wrong order in visual diffs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T272315 (10matmarex)
[20:32:54] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-VisualDiffs, 10Editing QA, 10Editing-team (FY2020-21 Kanban Board): Sidebar items are shown in wrong order in visual diffs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T272315 (10matmarex)
[20:32:57] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-VisualDiffs, 10Editing QA, 10Editing-team (FY2020-21 Kanban Board): "References" section always has a grey background for some reason in visual diffs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T272314 (10matmarex)
[20:38:00] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: "recheck" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/656205 (owner: 10Esanders)
[20:38:06] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: "recheck" [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/657405 (owner: 10Esanders)
[20:38:46] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: "recheck" [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/634977 (owner: 10Esanders)
[20:59:12] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10Gergő Tisza: [C: 04-1] Allow specifying alt-text in File dialog (033 comments) [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/635053 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T260006) (owner: 10Ammarpad)
[20:59:43] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: [C: 03+2] MWSaveDialog: Use MessageWidget (inline, warning) to show save dialog warnings [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/656205 (owner: 10Esanders)
[21:25:01] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: [C: 03+2] CitoidAction: Pass inStaging param [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/634977 (owner: 10Esanders)
[21:25:05] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: [C: 03+2] MWWikitextStringTransferHandler: Factor out Parsoid->DOM conversion [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/657405 (owner: 10Esanders)
[21:29:03] <wikibugs>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: MWSaveDialog: Use MessageWidget (inline, warning) to show save dialog warnings [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/656205 (owner: 10Esanders)
[21:34:46] <Charly-WikibaseS>	 My question just got lost in this spam of wikibugs :p
[21:46:15] <wikibugs>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: CitoidAction: Pass inStaging param [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/634977 (owner: 10Esanders)
[22:11:34] <wikibugs>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: MWWikitextStringTransferHandler: Factor out Parsoid->DOM conversion [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/657405 (owner: 10Esanders)
[22:48:40] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Patch-For-Review: Use CSS 'mix-blend-mode: multiply' for fake selections - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T269145 (10matmarex) I think the changes to text rendering I mentioned earlier make this a change for the worse (at least on Windows, using mix-blend-mode disables subpixel antialiasin...
[22:48:51] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Editing-team (FY2020-21 Kanban Board), 10Patch-For-Review: Use CSS 'mix-blend-mode: multiply' for fake selections - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T269145 (10matmarex)
[22:49:32] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: [C: 04-1] "In my opinion the effect of this on text rendering is too awful to accept. I posted a longer comment about it at T269145#6763786." [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/644554 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T269145) (owner: 10Esanders)
[22:51:01] <MatmaRex>	 Charly-WikibaseS: yeah, it's annoying sometimes
[22:51:57] <MatmaRex>	 Charly-WikibaseS: you can probably hook to whatever activates the undo/redo buttons on the toolbar. let me see if there's a nice way to do it
[22:54:43] <Charly-WikibaseS>	 Now why did I not think of that :p
[22:54:59] <Charly-WikibaseS>	 Probably cause it almost midnight :-)
[22:55:10] <Charly-WikibaseS>	 it's*
[22:55:55] <MatmaRex>	 Charly-WikibaseS: ve.init.target.getSurface().getModel().on( 'history', function () { console.log( "A change was made on the editing surface!" ); } );
[22:56:16] <MatmaRex>	 hopefully you can go from here. sorry, this isn't really documented (except in the source code comments)
[22:56:47] <MatmaRex>	 if you haven't seen it before, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor/Gadgets is the closest thing we have to a developer documentation
[22:57:37] <MatmaRex>	 the event is technically documented here: https://doc.wikimedia.org/VisualEditor/master/js/#!/api/ve.dm.Surface-event-history (generated from the doc comments in source code)
[22:57:45] <MatmaRex>	 (not that anyone would ever find that)
[22:59:06] <Charly-WikibaseS>	 Well it does look very promosing. Thanks for that answer! No I did not look at that link as yet (I think). Documenting it now and having a go at this tomorrow. And indeed.. I would probably not have found that last link :-) But thanks! If this works the autosave would be very solid and no need for a dom observer as they are a pain in the <fill in the blank> :-)
[22:59:14] <MatmaRex>	 actually, maybe 'documentUpdate' would be the better event to use. but either should be close enough.
[22:59:23] <MatmaRex>	 :) good luck
[22:59:52] <Charly-WikibaseS>	 Thank you!
[23:00:11] <Charly-WikibaseS>	 Argh... midnight already :-)
[23:09:08] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Editing-team (FY2020-21 Kanban Board), 10Patch-For-Review: Use CSS 'mix-blend-mode: multiply' for fake selections - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T269145 (10matmarex) (For context, the idea came out of {b92ae47e005ba42affd7d6c60d493ff9ecc00c71}, where we used mix-blend-mode to display t...
[23:09:17] <hexmode>	 MatmaRex: do you have any clue that might help this person: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:W1wdo0arlgqwqcku
[23:10:41] <MatmaRex>	 hexmode: i don't think that's possible (unless someone writes the code to do it), the upload dialog has just the one option
[23:11:01] <MatmaRex>	 at best you can configure the messages and the output using https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgUploadDialog , but there's no way to have multiple options
[23:11:09] <hexmode>	 ok, I thought there might be something....
[23:11:11] <hexmode>	 ty
[23:11:17] <hexmode>	 I'll pass it along
[23:16:08] <wikibugs>	 (03PS1) 10Bartosz Dziewoński: Fix typo in doc comment [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/657447
[23:17:54] <wikibugs>	 10VisualEditor, 10Editing-team (FY2020-21 Kanban Board), 10MW-1.36-notes (1.36.0-wmf.28; 2021-01-26): Supported citation needed templates which encapsulate article text - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T265907 (10matmarex) https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor/Citation_tool#"Citation_needed"_tool ne...