[00:01:00] <Pathoschild>	Nikerabbit: Did you have time to add the new Upper Sorbian (hsb) translations to the localization files?
[00:01:17] <Ryan_Lane>	Duesentrieb: ah, it looks like OpenID makes a table for the userID
[00:02:40] <TimLaqua>	So to add a new system message - do you just add it to MessagesEn.php?
[00:02:57] <Ryan_Lane>	TimLaqua: is this for an extension?
[00:03:03] <TimLaqua>	no, core
[00:04:01] <TimLaqua>	MessagesEn.php is a mess...
[00:04:35] <Ryan_Lane>	TimLaqua: I'm pretty sure thats where they go
[00:04:45] <TimLaqua>	hmm...
[00:04:51] <TimLaqua>	pretty sure usually gets me in trouble... ;-)
[00:05:14] <Ryan_Lane>	Last time i added some, they went there
[00:05:26] <Ryan_Lane>	i haven't added one since about 1.5 or 1.6
[00:06:07] <TimLaqua>	well, i'll just have to give 'er a shot.
[00:28:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Users can login with global account and create an account in a wiki even if IP is blocked from account creations - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11148  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[00:36:19] <CIA-15>	03tlaqua * r25396 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed bug 9456 - added editsummaryheading system message to allow changing the heading level for newly added sections (i.e. section=new)
[00:36:30] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Some way to specify heading level for new sections - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9426  +comment (10t.laqua)
[00:39:11] <_Danny_B_>	TimLaqua: i don't think this is desired fix
[00:39:25] <TimLaqua>	think he wanted an argument to index.php?
[00:40:33] <_Danny_B_>	you just moved it out from hardcoding but it still remains _the same_ level for ever
[00:40:50] <_Danny_B_>	no way to set which level you're adding
[00:41:07] <TimLaqua>	he can edit the MediaWiki:editsummaryheading article
[00:41:18] <TimLaqua>	same level for the whole wiki
[00:41:22] <_Danny_B_>	yes
[00:41:32] <_Danny_B_>	but that was not the desired behavior
[00:41:40] *TimLaqua 	reads the bug again
[00:42:07] <TimLaqua>	It'd be handy if we could somehow specify a
[00:42:07] <TimLaqua>	different heading level for newly created sections (say, third-level)
[00:42:15] <_Danny_B_>	the deal is when you click + to add new section, it should let you to set the level
[00:42:47] <TimLaqua>	I'm confused - I thought that's what I just did
[00:42:55] <_Danny_B_>	so having summary, textarea and let's say pulldown with header levels
[00:42:55] <TimLaqua>	I was passing section=new to it
[00:43:03] <TimLaqua>	ah
[00:43:14] <TimLaqua>	that's not what he asked for
[00:43:20] <_Danny_B_>	so user can explicitly say which level of header is creating
[00:43:26] <_Danny_B_>	i believe it is
[00:43:54] <TimLaqua>	So you want me to reopen it?  or wait for him/her to reopen it?
[00:44:22] <TimLaqua>	Or could you re-open w/ your comments?
[00:44:56] <_Danny_B_>	i can add my understanding of request and reopen it. however still what you've done is better than what was before
[00:45:14] <TimLaqua>	well, I had the same complaint he did
[00:45:32] <TimLaqua>	so I fixed it, looked for bugs that matched, and marked as fixed.
[00:45:44] <TimLaqua>	if you think he wants a dropdown, reopening is fine with me.
[00:46:22] <TimLaqua>	hopefully he/she will come back and let us know if it's fixed
[00:46:42] <TimLaqua>	Wouldn't that be the better route?
[00:48:28] <_Danny_B_>	so i added my pov
[00:48:28] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Some way to specify heading level for new sections - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9426  +comment (10danny_b)
[00:49:09] <_Danny_B_>	TimLaqua: since you're fiddling with editsummaries, would you like to fix one other bug about it?
[00:49:15] <_Danny_B_>	let me find the number
[00:50:03] <_Danny_B_>	10836
[00:50:12] <_Danny_B_>	would be very handy
[00:53:16] <TimLaqua>	sure
[00:53:34] <TimLaqua>	I still think we should leave it closed and let the EU reopen.  ;-)
[00:54:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) EConfirm unchecks "Enable e-mail" after first email confirmation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11150 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (pathoschild)
[00:55:55] <VoiceOfAll>	_Danny_B_: do you know where do WM sites specify the html tags that are allowed?
[00:57:02] <_Danny_B_>	TimLaqua: well, i could add it as new bug, but i'd say it's better to keep it toghether since it's tightly related (in case the request was meant as you see it not as i do)
[00:57:25] <eddan>	With a template, can I somehow prevent it to be rendered into it's own <p>? Say I have {{myTemp|foo}} and it only returns some text, I wan't to do it inline like "Hello, this is {{myTemp|foo}} and so on".
[00:57:27] <TimLaqua>	_Danny_B_, how will we know?
[00:57:45] <_Danny_B_>	VoiceOfAll: have no idea, although i'd really liked to since i'd really like to add couple missing semantic tags
[00:58:09] <VoiceOfAll>	I hate importing and seeing <div><tr><table> and such
[00:58:21] <Pathoschild>	VoiceOfAll: It used to be done with < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgUserHtml >, but it looks like it was removed in < http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=21285 >
[00:59:02] <Pathoschild>	Hmm... no, the whitelist it used was separate.
[00:59:04] <_Danny_B_>	TimLaqua: well, you patched it. the patch will stay (unless somebody will revert it) your patch is good. let's wait for what reporter will say
[00:59:47] <TimLaqua>	k, good enough.  ;-)
[00:59:53] <_Danny_B_>	eddan: take care about newlines at the end of template. be sure you not leave any
[01:00:20] <Pathoschild>	VoiceOfAll: < http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2005-May/017307.html >
[01:00:20] <eddan>	_Danny_B_, ok, thanks
[01:00:28] <Pathoschild>	It's apparently hardcoded.
[01:00:42] <_Danny_B_>	how nasty
[01:00:59] <Pathoschild>	There's an open bug to make it a setting.
[01:02:30] <VoiceOfAll>	why?
[01:03:18] <_Danny_B_>	if i'd like to create parser tag extension which will use xml markup inside - are the inside tags treated as parser tags (if other extension with same name exists) or not?
[01:03:22] <eddan>	_Danny_B_, ok, that worked for inline inclusion. What about if I use it in a list like this: "* {{myTemp|foo}} some text"?
[01:03:42] <_Danny_B_>	eddan: same case
[01:04:09] <eddan>	_Danny_B_, ok.. Will test some more
[01:05:44] <CIA-15>	03rotem * r25397 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/ (messageTypes.inc messages.inc): Update.
[01:07:50] <eddan>	_Danny_B_, won't work for lists. In the rendered html it closes it (</li></ul>) it seems..
[01:08:20] <_Danny_B_>	eddan: got your wiki public?
[01:08:39] <eddan>	_Danny_B_, yup
[01:08:54] <eddan>	hold on
[01:08:58] <TimLaqua>	I hate it when you hit enter than instantly regret it...
[01:09:23] <_Danny_B_>	TimLaqua: that's pretty common ;-)
[01:09:57] <_Danny_B_>	TimLaqua: what have you done now?
[01:10:01] <eddan>	_Danny_B_, http://filezilla-project.org/wiki/index.php/User:Eddan . Template:Support is used as you can see
[01:10:08] <TimLaqua>	select * from recentchanges;
[01:10:32] <TimLaqua>	my poor ssh tunnel just doesn't go that fast.
[01:10:44] <_Danny_B_>	ouch
[01:11:44] <_Danny_B_>	eddan: -->[http: goes on same line
[01:11:59] <_Danny_B_>	(= delete the new line after comment
[01:12:51] <eddan>	_Danny_B_, ah, thanks!
[01:13:12] <eddan>	Stupid mistake :)
[01:13:19] <_Danny_B_>	happens
[01:17:20] <VoiceOfAll>	_Danny_B_: I don't get why it escapes table tags
[01:17:24] <VoiceOfAll>	if ( ! $badtag ) { ...
[01:17:34] <VoiceOfAll>	continue; ...
[01:17:43] <VoiceOfAll>	if I set it to 0 right before, they all parse
[01:18:18] <_Danny_B_>	VoiceOfAll: i'm not the best person to ask, sorry i can't help you with that
[01:18:50] <tty1>	when i try and do a tumbnail of any image other then gif i get the following error: http://pastebin.com/m745870f2 any ideas?
[01:36:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Page history should have descriptive <title> - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11151 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (danny_b)
[01:42:11] <CIA-15>	03tlaqua * r25398 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[01:42:11] <CIA-15>	Fixed bug 10836
[01:42:11] <CIA-15>	When a new section is appended to an article, the comment is wrapped with /* ... */ tags to ensure that Recent Changes listings will have a link to the newly created heading.
[01:42:11] <CIA-15>	Changed system message editsummaryheading to newsectionheaderdefaultlevel on rec. from DannyB
[01:42:29] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Change the summary on creating of new section - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10836  +comment (10t.laqua)
[01:42:53] <VoiceOfAll>	_Danny_B_: now you are to blame! :p
[01:42:59] <TimLaqua>	_Danny_B_, I'm totally blaming that shizzle on you.
[01:43:04] <TimLaqua>	;-)
[01:43:18] <_Danny_B_>	ou yeah! this is the speed how bugs should be fixed!
[01:43:45] <TimLaqua>	gurilla bugfixes.  ;-)
[01:44:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Users can login with global account and create an account in a wiki even if IP is blocked from account creations - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11148  (10rotemliss_public)
[01:45:03] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Closing of Sardinian Wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10692  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[01:47:01] <_Danny_B_>	testwiki runs from svn head?
[01:47:09] <_Danny_B_>	or any other wiki?
[01:47:26] <Cbrown1023_away>	huh?
[01:47:40] <CIA-15>	03rotem * r25399 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/ (messageTypes.inc messages.inc): Another update.
[01:48:03] <tty1>	when i try and do a tumbnail of any image other then gif i get the following error: http://pastebin.com/m745870f2 any ideas?
[01:52:18] <TimLaqua_away>	_Danny_B_, I've heard that testwiki is like an hour back
[01:53:36] <_Danny_B_>	TimLaqua_away: want to test the new section summary, since it seems to me it won't be rendered exactly as intended, but still can be good enough rendering
[01:54:14] <TimLaqua_away>	What do you mean?
[01:54:25] <TimLaqua_away>	You want like flowers next to the heading?  ;-)
[01:54:45] <Cbrown1023_away>	whic part to you not understand?
[01:55:01] *Cbrown1023_away 	thinks _Danny_B_ means, does testwiki software get automatically updated with svn?
[01:55:36] <TimLaqua>	_Danny_B_, it will render as all other section edits w/ &rarr; then the light grey heading title
[01:55:53] <TimLaqua>	methinks...  ;-)
[01:56:24] <TimLaqua>	by testwiki, do you guys mean test.wikipedia.org?
[01:56:41] <Cbrown1023_away>	yes :-)
[01:56:58] <TimLaqua>	so does that run off of HEAD?
[01:57:01] <_Danny_B_>	TimLaqua: yes, that's what i suppose - but then it will be confused with section edit with no summary. that's why i suggested different form using new message
[01:57:07] *Cbrown1023_away 	stabs TimLaqua
[01:57:11] <TimLaqua>	lol
[01:57:13] <Cbrown1023_away>	that's what _Danny_B_ is asking :-)
[01:57:31] <_Danny_B_>	Cbrown1023_away: you're so cruel
[01:57:35] <Cbrown1023_away>	:-)
[01:57:39] <Cbrown1023_away>	it's a polite, IRC-stab
[01:57:41] <TimLaqua>	_Danny_B_, well, I could make it say "NEW!!!" at the end...
[01:57:44] <Cbrown1023_away>	I would never stab him in reaal life
[01:57:51] <TimLaqua>	if he was looking...
[01:57:53] <TimLaqua>	;-)
[01:58:06] *Cbrown1023_away 	huggles TimLaqua
[01:58:14] <Cbrown1023_away>	tat better, Danny_B? :-D
[01:58:27] <_Danny_B_>	TimLaqua: check the bug description, i put the idea for summary there
[01:58:56] <TimLaqua>	in which bug?
[01:59:05] <_Danny_B_>	Cbrown1023_away: you're so cuddly
[01:59:15] <Cbrown1023_away>	_Danny_B_: :-) :-D
[01:59:40] <_Danny_B_>	TimLaqua: 10836
[01:59:43] <Cbrown1023_away>	TimLaqua, _Danny_B_: this bug? wikibugs>	(FIXED) Change the summary on creating of new section - http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10836 +comment (t.laqua)
[01:59:46] <Cbrown1023_away>	oh yhea, :-)
[01:59:57] <TimLaqua>	oh, THAT bug...
[02:00:04] <_Danny_B_>	yup
[02:00:21] <TimLaqua>	oh... New topic:
[02:00:27] <TimLaqua>	that's supposed to be part of it...
[02:00:31] <_Danny_B_>	the goal is to have different look for new sumary / editsection with no summary 
[02:00:39] <TimLaqua>	to the batmobile!
[02:00:45] <Cbrown1023_away>	haha
[02:01:05] <TimLaqua>	SVN-mobiele?
[02:01:22] <TimLaqua>	dunno, you want New topic:
[02:01:31] <TimLaqua>	dunno if that's always going to be accurate
[02:01:38] <TimLaqua>	how about New section:
[02:01:51] <_Danny_B_>	i don't care, it's message
[02:01:57] <_Danny_B_>	therefore it's editable
[02:02:13] <TimLaqua>	and instread of New section: how about we append (New section) to the end of it?
[02:02:23] <TimLaqua>	if you put it on the left side, I don't think RC will interpret it
[02:02:30] <_Danny_B_>	why not?
[02:02:58] <TimLaqua>	well, then it'd be New topic: /* NewHeading Title */
[02:03:12] <_Danny_B_>	no no no no no
[02:03:16] <_Danny_B_>	the summary of new section should look this way:
[02:03:30] *TimLaqua 	braces for impact
[02:03:45] <_Danny_B_>	(New topic: [[page#topic summary|topic summary]])
[02:03:55] <TimLaqua>	holy moley
[02:04:16] <_Danny_B_>	 /* */ produces  linked arrow (->)
[02:04:25] <TimLaqua>	yeah... automatically!
[02:05:06] <_Danny_B_>	if "new section" would be at the end it might be confused with regular summary
[02:05:12] <TimLaqua>	embeding links in to the rc_comment table sounds scary
[02:05:38] <TimLaqua>	dunno if htat would even work...  brb...
[02:05:43] <_Danny_B_>	TimLaqua: the'yre always there
[02:05:53] <_Danny_B_>	it works
[02:06:06] <_Danny_B_>	local links are parsed
[02:11:09] <TimLaqua>	touche, _Danny_B_
[02:11:14] <TimLaqua>	works just fine.
[02:12:50] <TimLaqua>	how about New section
[02:12:53] <TimLaqua>	?
[02:13:19] <_Danny_B_>	not sure what exactly you're asking now :-?
[02:13:29] <TimLaqua>	well, you said New topic:
[02:13:36] <_Danny_B_>	aaa
[02:13:47] <_Danny_B_>	as i said, since it's message i don't care
[02:14:05] <TimLaqua>	by message you mean you want a System message for it?
[02:14:23] <_Danny_B_>	yes. it's all described in the bug report :o)
[02:14:40] <TimLaqua>	bah.
[02:19:31] <tty1>	when i try and do a tumbnail of any image other then gif i get the following error: http://pastebin.com/m745870f2 any ideas?
[02:21:12] <_Danny_B_>	tty1: i'd suggest to ask when bri.on or tim.starling are here
[02:21:45] <tty1>	_Danny_B_: my gameplan was every 15 minutes till someone got sick of me and helped :)
[02:22:46] <_Danny_B_>	tty1: i realized that. but i think i'd change your sentence a bit to: "my gameplan was every 15 minutes till someone got sick of me and kicked me out" ;-)
[02:23:12] <tty1>	_Danny_B_: isnt the general rule to wait till you scroll off the screen?
[02:23:32] <_Danny_B_>	tty1: depends on how big screen you have ;-)
[02:23:44] <tty1>	_Danny_B_: lol 1600x1200 :)
[02:24:25] <_Danny_B_>	how big irc window, how many lines in it (font size) etc... many factors ;-)
[02:24:43] *tty1 	gets out his calculator
[02:25:14] *tty1 	mumbles something about integrals
[02:40:08] <tty1>	_Danny_B_: actually i think i know the problem
[02:41:04] <_Danny_B_>	you see? couple quarter hours and the problem solves itself ;-)
[02:49:11] <tty1>	_Danny_B_: lol
[02:50:33] <CIA-15>	03tlaqua * r25400 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Article.php): Backing off fix for bug 10836 - previous attempt was incomplete. Will revisit later.
[02:52:19] <TimLaqua>	WHAT A MESS.
[02:52:22] <TimLaqua>	;-)
[02:52:28] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Change the summary on creating of new section - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10836  +comment (10t.laqua)
[02:57:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create the group "test-admin" for the Wikimedia Incubator - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10727  summary; +comment (10cbrown1023)
[03:01:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add wiki markup for alphabetical ordered lists - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2575  (10danny_b)
[03:09:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oversight should be able to hide log entries as well - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7871  +comment (10axel9891)
[03:22:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Users can login with global account and create an account in a wiki even if IP is blocked from account creations - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11148  (10rotemliss_public)
[03:30:01] <Cbrown1023_away>	!help
[03:30:01] <mwbot>	Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. There's not much documentation on me, but you can find all my source code at http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn
[03:30:37] <_Danny_B_>	Cbrown1023_away: check #mwbot
[03:31:03] *Cbrown1023_away 	has seen him beofre, I just wanted the link to the soucre again
[03:36:34] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Special:Statistics should add link to Special:Listusers&group= sysop etc. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11029  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[03:36:43] <Cbrown1023_away>	shazaam
[03:37:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Statistics should add link to Special:Listusers?group= sysop etc. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11029  summary (10cbrown1023)
[03:37:18] <Cbrown1023_away>	sorry, it was bugging me
[03:37:22] <Cbrown1023_away>	& --> ?
[03:43:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Search should have descriptive <title> - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11035  lowest->normal; summary (10danny_b)
[03:44:21] <Cbrown1023_away>	_Danny_B_: is that the same as yours?
[03:44:41] <Cbrown1023_away>	wikibugs>	(NEW) Page history should have descriptive <title> - http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11151 enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (danny_b)
[03:44:42] <_Danny_B_>	nope, my is for history
[03:44:57] <Cbrown1023_away>	ah, I see
[03:45:04] <_Danny_B_>	i just unified summaries
[03:45:21] <Cbrown1023_away>	I see :-)
[03:47:05] <_Danny_B_>	i wonder when 2257 will be fixed. it already had bunch of patches and none applied :-/
[03:49:21] <Cbrown1023_away>	huh, idk, /me gives Danny_B commit
[04:01:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change the summary on creating of new section - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10836  (10danny_b)
[05:29:38] <Sonjaaa>	*Links
[05:29:40] <Sonjaaa>	**http://forums.gleemax.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=290|Official Dark Sun forum
[05:29:42] <Sonjaaa>	in the left-hand nav thingy
[05:29:44] <Sonjaaa>	doesnt work
[05:32:29] <Sonjaaa>	i'll just use a tinyurl i guess
[05:32:41] <lch_>	navigation doesn't support nested lists anyway, I think
[05:36:29] <Pathoschild>	Sonjaaa: Try creating a MediaWiki interface message containing the URL; see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar >
[05:36:37] <Sonjaaa>	ok
[05:43:31] <Nikerabbit>	uga
[05:44:00] <Pathoschild>	uga?
[05:44:39] <Sonjaaa>	uga!
[05:46:39] <Nikerabbit>	on queue
[05:58:03] <szunyi>	hi :P
[06:24:42] <Traveler0>	How do I add more buttons to the edit toolbar? Namely the redirect one?
[06:24:55] <Traveler0>	On my own Wiki?
[06:26:42] <Betacommand>	Traveler0: javascript
[06:29:25] <Traveler0>	Use what javascript?
[06:41:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Activate DynamicPageList on en.wikisource, de.wikisource, he. wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8563  summary (10dovijacobs)
[06:43:52] <Traveler0>	What javascript should I use?
[06:45:16] <thesnarky1>	I've been grepping the mediawiki site, and some code for a bit now, and for the life of me I can't figure out how to have a page display all of a category's associated pages. Could someone point me in the right direction on this, please?
[06:52:43] *thesnarky1 	mutters
[06:52:56] <thesnarky1>	nevermind, I'm a fool... I've got an easier way to do what I wanted
[06:59:50] <huntr>	when i can get new skinks for wiki?
[07:02:31] <huntr>	m?
[07:30:49] <VasilVV>	Tim-away: is MakeSysop compatible with $wgAddGroups and $wgRemoveGroups?
[07:35:33] <alnokt0a>	someone with svn access?
[07:37:54] <alnokt0a>	in /extensions/ConfirmAccount/SpecialConfirmAccount.php line 12 , -requeires +requires 
[08:00:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Remove ?title=*** parameter from RC entries url - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11152 normal; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (kalan.001)
[08:08:32] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Please clean up and lock Akan Wikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10705  +comment (10jeluf)
[08:08:32] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Please clean up and lock Wolof Wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707  +comment (10jeluf)
[08:08:42] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Please clean up and lock Kanuri Wikiquote - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10720  +comment (10jeluf)
[08:08:50] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Closure of Quechua Wikiquote - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10747  +comment (10jeluf)
[08:14:03] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Closing of Sardinian Wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10692  +comment (10jeluf)
[08:25:04] <CIA-15>	03yurik * r25401 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/: initialized branch using svnmerge.py
[08:25:59] <alnokta>	come on, three devs and none fixed the tiny typo ;)
[08:50:41] <CIA-15>	03yurik * r25402 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/includes/EditPage.php: Fixed spacing to avoid svn merge problems
[09:47:49] <alnokta>	VoiceOfAll, in /extensions/ConfirmAccount/SpecialConfirmAccount.php line 12 , -requeires +requires 
[09:49:07] <CIA-15>	03aaron * r25403 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/SpecialConfirmAccount.php: *Fix typo in error msg
[09:51:52] <Werdnum>	that was fast.
[10:03:44] <CIA-15>	03yurik * r25404 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/ (57 files in 10 dirs): 
[10:03:44] <CIA-15>	Merged revisions 25222-25402 via svnmerge from
[10:03:44] <CIA-15>	svn+ssh://yurik@svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3
[10:07:33] <Werdnum>	uh oh
[10:07:45] <Werdnum>	what's yurik called these days anyway?
[10:08:14] <Halca>	!seen yurik
[10:09:42] <Werdnum>	!seen yurikbot
[10:10:04] <Duesentrieb>	do we even have a bot that reacts to "!seen" ?
[10:10:28] <Werdnum>	yeah
[10:10:31] <Werdnum>	in private message
[10:10:35] <Werdnum>	10:13 <unilinky> Last time yurikbot was speaking was 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours 8 minutes 26 seconds ago in #wikimedia-tech.
[10:10:51] <Duesentrieb>	ah :)
[10:11:07] <Duesentrieb>	Werdnum: try yurikny
[10:11:21] <Werdnum>	!seen yurikny
[10:11:31] <Werdnum>	10:14 <unilinky> Last time yurikny was speaking was 1 week 1 day 11 hours 17 minutes 3 seconds ago in #wikimedia-tech.
[10:11:34] <Werdnum>	better
[10:13:02] <Werdnum>	hmm..
[10:13:40] <Halca>	Lemme bring my bot in here
[10:13:45] <Halca>	He's a good sport
[10:13:55] <Werdnum>	... why?
[10:14:32] <Halca>	He can retrieve stuff
[10:14:33] <Halca>	:/
[10:14:40] <Werdnum>	...
[10:14:44] <Werdnum>	what problem does it solve?
[10:15:29] <Halca>	It can google things, save things, etc
[10:15:34] <Halca>	It's just a little one, that's all
[10:15:41] <Werdnum>	do we often need to google things, and save things in here?
[10:16:10] <Halca>	Maybe
[10:16:12] <Halca>	:-P
[10:16:19] <Halca>	I was only trying to help
[10:16:44] <Werdnum>	of course, but it's useful to know why we're doing something, rather than OOH IT INVOLVES A BOT LETS DO IT
[10:17:07] <Halca>	-_-
[10:17:26] <Halca>	Is it useful to have mediawiki include about 900 files? :-P
[10:17:49] <Werdnum>	try unincluding one of them and see what happens.
[10:19:52] <MinuteElectron>	We already have mwbot.
[10:19:55] <MinuteElectron>	@search .*
[10:19:55] <mwbot>	Results: [bugzilla, download, extensions, extranamespace, hidetoc, imagemap, install, javascript, logo, mediawiki, mwbot, package, pastebin, purge, repeat, simpleurl, subversion, tias, welcome, wiki]
[10:20:02] <MinuteElectron>	!elcome | Halca 
[10:20:06] <MinuteElectron>	!welcome | Halca
[10:20:06] <mwbot>	Halca: Welcome to #mediawiki, the channel for MediaWiki development and support! Don't ask if anyone's around, just ask your questions. Do, however, consult the FAQ, located at <FAQ: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/FAQ>, first.
[10:22:18] <Halca>	Neat
[10:22:40] <MinuteElectron>	!mwbot
[10:22:40] <mwbot>	Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. There's not much documentation on me, but you can find all my source code at http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn
[10:24:21] <alnokta>	minuteelectron = amidaniel?
[10:24:38] <MinuteElectron>	No.
[10:24:43] <VoiceOfAll>	haha
[10:24:47] <MinuteElectron>	amidaniel = amidaniel
[10:24:54] <VoiceOfAll>	yes, 1=1 :)
[10:25:05] <alnokta>	:)
[10:25:08] <Werdnum>	(div both sides by amidaniel)
[10:25:11] <MinuteElectron>	I prefer to remain anonymous.
[10:25:25] <Halca>	lol
[10:25:30] <Halca>	Minute Electron >.>
[10:25:55] <Werdnum>	as compared to a large electron
[10:26:06] <MinuteElectron>	It is meant to be a contradiction.
[10:26:15] <MinuteElectron>	But I am not quite sure if it is correct.
[10:26:47] <alnokta>	MinuteElectron, so none knows your real name?
[10:26:55] <MinuteElectron>	I'm not sure.
[10:27:11] <MinuteElectron>	Only people who *have* to know it.
[10:27:17] <Halca>	Werdnum: They're called Muons :>
[10:27:34] <alnokta>	ah then you are not committed  :P
[10:27:38] <Werdnum>	muons suck
[10:27:38] <MinuteElectron>	Like the owner of a server I use, the web hosting guy (seanw).
[10:27:42] <Werdnum>	pions > muons
[10:27:44] <Halca>	Tauons
[10:27:51] <Halca>	Meh, quarks are overrated
[10:27:53] <Werdnum>	that's right, we in wikimedia argue over the best subatomic particles.
[10:28:01] <alnokta>	Werdnum, are you back to the wiki?
[10:28:05] <Werdnum>	no
[10:28:07] <Halca>	pions aren't subatomic
[10:28:10] <Halca>	>.>
[10:28:23] <alnokta>	Werdnum, why not ;)
[10:28:28] <Werdnum>	hiding.
[10:28:39] <MinuteElectron>	alnokta: Two people know my real name IIRC.
[10:28:49] <Werdnum>	MinuteElectron: are they your parents?
[10:29:09] <alnokta>	Werdnum, hiding means you will be returning :)
[10:29:10] <MinuteElectron>	No, I meant on the internet.
[10:29:15] <alnokta>	MinuteElectron, ah
[10:29:16] <Werdnum>	alnokta: doubtful
[10:29:21] <Werdnum>	MinuteElectron: your parents don't use the internet?
[10:29:51] <MinuteElectron>	Not really, my step-father does. But he is in a different zone.
[10:30:38] <MinuteElectron>	But my step-fatehr doesn't know my pseudonym.
[10:31:01] <MinuteElectron>	Only on person in real life know my pseudonym.
[10:33:10] <Halca>	I hate autocomplete -_-
[10:34:05] <dungodung>	hi Werdnum & alnokta 
[10:34:21] <MinuteElectron>	Hi dungodung :(
[10:34:39] <alnokta>	hello filipo 
[10:34:54] <dungodung>	hey MinuteElectron. why such a long face?
[10:34:59] <dungodung>	heh. the joke!
[10:35:09] <dungodung>	muhameddo
[10:35:13] <MinuteElectron>	*shrug*
[10:36:09] <alnokta>	:)
[10:38:41] <Werdnum>	hello dungodung 
[10:38:50] <dungodung>	(:
[10:39:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Browser asks me to select application for opening file - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11153 04BLOCKER; normal; MediaWiki: Installation; (jamesrmaclean)
[10:39:12] <Werdnum>	oh ffs
[10:40:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Browser asks me to select application for opening file - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11153  (10jamesrmaclean)
[10:40:23] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Browser asks me to select application for opening file - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11153  +comment (10Andrew)
[10:40:46] <MinuteElectron>	Aww.
[10:40:49] <MinuteElectron>	So close.
[10:40:56] <MinuteElectron>	I was just about to puch enter.
[10:41:07] <Werdnum>	;-)
[10:41:21] <CIA-15>	03aaron * r25405 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ConfirmAccount_body.php: *Fix comment typo
[10:43:25] <Werdnum>	brb
[11:11:36] *Werdnum 	returns
[11:18:42] <jeroenvrp>	where can I find instructions how to apply the patch for 1.10.1 against 1.10.0 ?
[11:20:53] <Werdnum>	jeroenvrp: sure you don't want to wait until 1.11.0?
[11:30:39] <jeroenvrp>	Werdnum: well, I don't know
[11:30:54] <jeroenvrp>	but I like to see if the update is easy with the patch
[11:31:00] <Werdnum>	jeroenvrp: anyway, if you're on a unix system, patch -p0 < thepatchfilename will work
[11:31:08] <jeroenvrp>	ok
[11:31:18] <jeroenvrp>	in the root of the install I assume?
[11:32:15] <jeroenvrp>	Werdnum: in the root of the install I assume?
[11:32:22] <Werdnum>	yes
[11:32:26] <jeroenvrp>	thanks
[11:35:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) political groupspeak on http://wikipedia.org - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11154 normal; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (yury.tarasievich)
[11:36:06] <jeroenvrp>	Werdnum: worked great, thanks
[11:36:10] <Werdnum>	:)
[11:38:13] <wikibugs>	  - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D11154  summary; +comment (10Andrew)
[11:47:42] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID)  - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11154  +comment (10EN.WP.ST47)
[11:50:58] <Werdnum>	ST47 == dan collins?
[11:50:58] <Werdnum>	ha
[11:52:01] <ST47>	O.o
[11:52:26] <ST47>	'tis werdna ;)
[11:52:56] <ST47>	are they automatically updated from the meta page?
[11:56:25] *Werdnum 	shrugs
[12:08:27] <jeroenvrp>	is it possible that you can expire cookies once?
[12:08:41] <jeroenvrp>	like some sort of cookie-reset
[12:08:52] <Werdnum>	erm, in mediawiki or in php generally?
[12:08:59] <jeroenvrp>	so to force all users to relogin right now
[12:09:04] <jeroenvrp>	Werdnum: mediawiki
[12:09:50] <Werdnum>	uh, don't think so
[12:11:44] <jeroenvrp>	so you can't say; all cookies are invalid and everyone must have a new cookie?
[12:13:18] <Werdnum>	not that I'm aware of
[12:13:21] <Werdnum>	why would you do that?
[12:14:03] <jeroenvrp>	Werdnum: I have deleted 2 users from the database and I want to make sure their cookie doesn't give them access anymore
[12:14:10] <Werdnum>	it won't/
[12:14:17] <jeroenvrp>	ah ok
[12:14:27] <jeroenvrp>	because ut will check if the user exist?
[12:14:41] <Werdnum>	of course.
[12:14:47] <Duesentrieb>	jeroenvrp: deleting users is a very bad idea.
[12:14:58] <jeroenvrp>	Duesentrieb: and why is that
[12:15:10] <Duesentrieb>	jeroenvrp: because it breaks referential integrity of the database.
[12:15:11] <Werdnum>	because they're referenced as foreign keys through the database
[12:15:19] <Duesentrieb>	user records are referenced from logs, revision history, etc
[12:15:24] <jeroenvrp>	its a provate wiki
[12:15:33] <jeroenvrp>	private wiki
[12:15:44] <jeroenvrp>	anf those users may not have read access anymore
[12:15:53] <Duesentrieb>	doesn't matter
[12:16:05] <Duesentrieb>	your database is inconsistent now
[12:16:10] <Duesentrieb>	bad things may happen
[12:16:16] <jeroenvrp>	well how do I do prevent those users from reading
[12:16:17] <Duesentrieb>	they probably won't, but they may
[12:17:16] <Duesentrieb>	jeroenvrp: good question - the normal "block"-option doesn't apply to read access. the simple answer is: prevent them from logging in. that is, garble their password (and eamil!) in the database.
[12:17:35] <Duesentrieb>	mediawiki is not build for preventing read access. it shows in cases like this.
[12:17:44] <jeroenvrp>	Duesentrieb: ok, thats possible - allthough allready deleted the users
[12:18:03] <Duesentrieb>	well, you shouldn't
[12:18:13] <jeroenvrp>	what can go wrong
[12:18:17] <Duesentrieb>	the wiki will not explode, but you may get strange result on some special pages, etc
[12:18:22] <Duesentrieb>	maybe missing entries, even
[12:18:34] <jeroenvrp>	I checked that, but that is not the case
[12:18:45] <jeroenvrp>	they are still isted in the history
[12:18:47] <Duesentrieb>	jeroenvrp: you checked all special pages, in all possible modes?
[12:18:57] <Duesentrieb>	yes, in the history. 
[12:19:06] <Duesentrieb>	as i said, the wiki will not explode. but your db is inconsistent now.
[12:19:10] <jeroenvrp>	they are still there
[12:19:22] <jeroenvrp>	oh well, I will remember that for the next time
[12:20:03] <jeroenvrp>	I also can still see the contributions for the deleted usersa
[12:20:31] <Duesentrieb>	a block-option to prevent locking would be usefull, though, for wikis on which anons don't have many rights...
[12:20:51] <Werdnum>	AAA
[12:20:55] <Werdnum>	more blocking options!
[12:21:02] <Werdnum>	blocking options make brion cry.
[12:22:12] <jeroenvrp>	oh well, I don't see any problems so far
[12:22:26] <Werdnum>	what do you mean "to prevent locking"?
[12:22:58] <VoiceOfAll>	heh
[12:25:08] <Duesentrieb>	Werdnum: damn typos. "prevent login"
[12:25:43] <Duesentrieb>	kind of like disabling an account (temporarily)
[12:27:02] <jeroenvrp>	Duesentrieb: yes that would be great idea
[12:27:17] <jeroenvrp>	there a lot of wikis that are not used as public wikis
[12:27:24] <Duesentrieb>	well, it's pointless for real wikis, where anons can edit
[12:27:30] <Duesentrieb>	that'S why it doesn't exist.
[12:27:34] <jeroenvrp>	yes of course
[12:28:16] <Duesentrieb>	but i have put it on my "when i'm bored" list 
[12:28:28] <jeroenvrp>	but there are private wikis, for small groups
[12:28:31] <Duesentrieb>	(which i probably get around to in a couple of years)
[12:28:50] <jeroenvrp>	I admin 4 of those wikis
[12:29:40] <Duesentrieb>	write yourself a script that sets the user password and email to an empty string. that should do it.
[12:30:14] <Duesentrieb>	that will probably not invalidate running sessions, though, i think.
[12:30:26] <jeroenvrp>	Duesentrieb: yes, but one problem though - those users still have access when their cookie is not expired yet
[12:31:16] <Duesentrieb>	yep. you can probably also kill the "permanent cookie" thing by manipulating the db (not sure how). 
[12:31:26] <Duesentrieb>	for the current session cookie... not sure how to go about that.
[12:32:48] <Jack_Phoenix>	Duesentrieb or VoiceOfAll: what should be done to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Inputbox ? Is it a copyvio or not? it uses content from meta, but since it's not a help: page...complicated thing. =/
[12:34:40] <Duesentrieb>	Jack_Phoenix: huh? meta is GFDL. all but Help: on mediawiki.org is GFDL. no problem
[12:34:50] <Jack_Phoenix>	ah, thank you :)
[12:34:53] <Duesentrieb>	Jack_Phoenix: it'S the otehr way around: you can't import stuff from meta into the help namespace
[12:35:50] <Ace_NoOne>	are namespaces an appropriate method to create a separate section - e.g. to separate content for regular users (main ns) from instructions for developers ("Dev:" ns)
[12:35:56] <Jack_Phoenix>	so you can import stuff into extension namespace from Help: ns at meta...thanks for your help. :)
[12:36:52] <Duesentrieb>	Ace_NoOne: yes.
[12:37:06] <MinuteElectron>	Help namespace on MediaWiki.org is PD.
[12:37:09] <Duesentrieb>	Ace_NoOne: or use categories. which is more appropriate is up to you.
[12:37:30] <Duesentrieb>	MinuteElectron: yep. that's why you can't freely import *into* it.
[12:37:33] <Ace_NoOne>	Duesentrieb: got a source I could cite (e.g. a wiki that uses namespaces like this)? it'd help me resolve a dispute
[12:37:41] <MinuteElectron>	Duesentrieb: yeah.
[12:38:02] <Duesentrieb>	Ace_NoOne: mediawiki.org has the main namespace vs. Manual vs. Help
[12:38:12] <Ace_NoOne>	Duesentrieb: good point
[12:38:26] <Duesentrieb>	Help is for users. Manual is for people who run a wiki, and for developers.
[12:38:44] <Duesentrieb>	the main namespace is for... stuff. it's a mess, really.
[12:38:54] <Jack_Phoenix>	shush ;)
[12:39:11] <Jack_Phoenix>	There Is No Cabal  - or mess. <g>
[12:41:33] <Ace_NoOne>	hah
[12:43:04] <CIA-15>	03aaron * r25406 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: 
[12:43:06] <CIA-15>	*Fix var name typo
[12:43:08] <CIA-15>	*Make userpage requirement optional
[12:43:12] <CIA-15>	*Add optional time spacing requirements
[12:48:40] <Werdnum>	Duesentrieb: ew
[12:48:46] <Werdnum>	Duesentrieb: extra blocking flags suck
[12:48:59] <Werdnum>	Duesentrieb: also, I'm doing some blocking changes after my exams anyway
[13:08:37] <Duesentrieb>	Werdnum: the notion of "disabling" an account seems sensible though. it should be possible.
[13:09:37] <Ace_NoOne>	can I (as admin) somehow track which IP created a particular account
[13:10:05] <Jack_Phoenix>	Ace_NoOne: you should know... http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CheckUser ...
[13:10:29] <Ace_NoOne>	Jack_Phoenix: yes, but that's post-hoc now
[13:11:02] <Ace_NoOne>	i.e. that extension doesn't work retroactively, does it?
[13:11:59] <Jack_Phoenix>	worked for me, IIRC
[13:12:04] <Ace_NoOne>	cool, thanks
[13:12:05] <Jack_Phoenix>	when I checked JtV socks
[13:12:27] <Ace_NoOne>	JtV?
[13:13:03] <Jack_Phoenix>	Johnny the Vandal...
[13:13:14] <Jack_Phoenix>	I didn't have checkuser installed, installed it and got results
[13:13:15] <Ace_NoOne>	oh right
[13:13:16] <Jack_Phoenix>	simple :)
[13:13:22] <Ace_NoOne>	cheers Jack
[13:13:28] <Jack_Phoenix>	rar
[13:15:09] <Jack_Phoenix>	heya Tim :)
[13:15:19] <TimStarling>	hello
[13:16:23] <Ace_NoOne>	see, Jack_Phoenix, if you had waited just a bit longer with recommending that extension, you would have gained bonus points with TimStarling ;)
[13:16:37] <Jack_Phoenix>	:]
[13:32:58] <TimStarling>	why can't you put a block-level element inside an inline-level element?
[13:33:01] <TimStarling>	I want to
[13:34:19] <Ace_NoOne>	it's invalid
[13:34:26] <alnokt0a>	TimStarling, hello, is it set in stone that we cannot use commons from another wikis ?
[13:34:30] <Ace_NoOne>	what do you wanna do, TimStarling 
[13:34:43] <flyingparchment>	i think he's asking _why_ it's invalid
[13:34:51] <Ace_NoOne>	 because it's logical
[13:34:55] <TimStarling>	it is not
[13:35:06] <TimStarling>	you can embed anything you want inline in an MS word document
[13:35:18] <TimStarling>	why not in HTML?
[13:35:29] <Ace_NoOne>	please, don't tell me you're comparing logical HTML to MS Word
[13:35:33] <TimStarling>	alnokt0a: no
[13:35:42] <TimStarling>	Ace_NoOne: I'm saying that MS Word is better
[13:35:49] <TimStarling>	is that a problem?
[13:35:57] <Ace_NoOne>	hold on, I gotta jump out of the window for a second
[13:35:58] <Jack_Phoenix>	hah - take that Ace_NoOne ;P
[13:36:02] <TimStarling>	bye
[13:36:09] <alnokt0a>	TimStarling, good :)
[13:36:21] <Ace_NoOne>	TimStarling: seriously though, you could always use display: block;
[13:36:47] <TimStarling>	what, to make an inline element look like a block element?
[13:37:00] <Ace_NoOne>	act like one
[13:37:26] <TimStarling>	that would be fine if it wasn't the opposite to what I am talking about
[13:37:37] <TimStarling>	I want to make a block element flow with inline text
[13:37:51] <TimStarling>	except I don't want it to be a "block element"
[13:38:02] <TimStarling>	I want it to be an "element" because I don't understand the point of the whole distinction
[13:38:21] <Ace_NoOne>	could you give me a practical example of what you're trying to achieve
[13:39:02] <Ace_NoOne>	the distinction is kind of(!) like the distinction between paragraph and character formatting in Word
[13:40:10] <TimStarling>	not really
[13:40:38] <TimStarling>	it's about flow, not about formatting
[13:40:38] <Ace_NoOne>	yarly :P
[13:40:43] <Ace_NoOne>	well, yeah
[13:40:53] <TimStarling>	a block element generates a containing block
[13:41:12] <Ace_NoOne>	could you give me a practical example of what you're trying to achieve
[13:41:15] <TimStarling>	whereas an inline element flows from line to line, word-wrapped
[13:41:47] <TimStarling>	alright
[13:41:52] <TimStarling>	I have a video player
[13:41:55] <TimStarling>	it generates a block
[13:42:07] <TimStarling>	some poor wikipedians might want it to flow with text
[13:42:22] <Ace_NoOne>	use float?
[13:42:27] <TimStarling>	but they are screwed because it won't work
[13:42:34] <TimStarling>	float does not make something flow with text
[13:42:38] <TimStarling>	it makes text flow around it
[13:42:42] <Ace_NoOne>	what do you mean "flow with the text"
[13:42:44] <TimStarling>	don't you even understand HTML?
[13:42:52] <Ace_NoOne>	whoa easy boy
[13:43:06] <TimStarling>	I mean if I type "a <video> b c" then the video will be in between the a and the b, on the same line?
[13:43:18] <Ace_NoOne>	display: inline; does that
[13:43:46] <TimStarling>	hm, does it now?
[13:43:46] <Ace_NoOne>	though I can't imagine why you'd ever want that
[13:44:07] <Ace_NoOne>	<li style="display: inline;">I'm an inline element now</li>
[13:45:17] <TimStarling>	hehe
[13:45:43] <TimStarling>	that's all very well, except that the video doesn't generate a box anymore
[13:45:54] <TimStarling>	so its controls are all messed up, instead of being in a nice neat box
[13:45:56] <Ace_NoOne>	of course not - because it's an inline element
[13:46:46] <TimStarling>	why should there be any relationship between box generation and flow?
[13:47:07] <Ace_NoOne>	this should be discussed in #css 
[13:47:19] <TimStarling>	uh huh
[13:47:34] <TimStarling>	I'd better kick myself then
[13:47:45] <Ace_NoOne>	that's not what I meant
[13:47:52] <Ace_NoOne>	I meant you'll get a better explanation there
[13:48:06] <Ace_NoOne>	because honestly, I'm not sure how to explain it
[13:48:34] <TimStarling>	you have failed in your mission as CSS evangelist
[13:48:38] <Duesentrieb>	TimStarling: display:table-cell or something?
[13:48:44] <Ace_NoOne>	of course you could read http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/
[13:48:49] <Duesentrieb>	but iirc, different browsers handle that differently.
[13:48:58] <Ace_NoOne>	TimStarling: it has little to do with CSS, it has to do with HTML
[13:49:11] <TimStarling>	I've read both specs
[13:49:52] <TimStarling>	they make sense in their own special way, they're just poorly designed, that's all
[13:51:28] <AzaTht>	TimStarling: A question, on my wiki, using trunk, I'm getting following error when querying revisions from the API: Notice: Undefined property: ApiQueryRevisions::$fld_len in /home/azatoth/public_html/srcwiki/includes/api/ApiQueryRevisions.php on line 239
[13:51:50] <AzaTht>	do you know if it's an error in SVN or something probably wrong locally at me
[13:52:32] <TimStarling>	probably in svn
[13:52:42] <TimStarling>	have you tried reproducing it on wikimedia?
[13:52:49] <AzaTht>	no
[13:53:44] <TimStarling>	what's the URL?
[13:54:03] <AzaTht>	http://aza.nehle.net/~azatoth/srcwiki/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=User_talk%3AAzatothws&rvlimit=50&rvprop=ids|timestamp|user|comment&format=xmlfm
[13:54:35] <AzaTht>	it was added by yurik at r24693
[13:54:42] <AzaTht>	API: Added size property (rev_len)
[13:54:50] <TimStarling>	Duesentrieb: display:table-cell just works like display:block
[13:54:57] <TimStarling>	maybe if I used an actual table...
[13:54:57] <AzaTht>	2007-08-09
[13:55:01] <TimStarling>	nah
[13:55:55] <TimStarling>	AzaTht: reproduced
[13:57:35] <TimStarling>	I think it's meant to be fld_size
[14:00:08] <AzaTht>	ok
[14:00:24] <CIA-15>	03tstarling * r25407 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryRevisions.php: Fixed typo, fld_len -> fld_size
[14:01:08] <AzaTht>	fixed
[14:11:02] <TimStarling>	I'll tell you something interesting: iframe is an inline element
[14:11:17] <TimStarling>	so maybe there's hope yet
[14:18:27] <TimStarling>	I think I will have an inline mode and a block mode
[14:19:08] <TimStarling>	and in the inline mode you'll get a simple horizontal layout suitable for audio
[14:35:21] <AzaTht>	TimStarling: could this patch be applied? http://pastey.net/73298
[14:35:45] <TimStarling>	what does it do?
[14:36:08] <AzaTht>	adding some ids to the diff titles, and change to div instead of br
[14:36:52] <AzaTht>	as many want to add things there, it's easly getting crowded
[14:41:39] <TimStarling>	does it look the same?
[15:16:44] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) add new french translation in /languages/messages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11155 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (bertrand.grondin)
[15:27:05] <AzaTht>	TimStarling: almost
[15:27:35] <AzaTht>	if there is no edit summary, that line isn't visible
[15:27:46] <AzaTht>	but for me, it looks better that way anyway
[15:28:55] <Adriaan_>	Anybody feeling like helping me with a little mediawiki issue?
[15:29:00] <[PRDS]MrShlee>	Any eta for the 1.11.0 release?
[15:29:29] <AzaTht>	MrShlee: the MWFE rel?
[15:30:06] <AzaTht>	MWF*
[15:30:38] <[PRDS]MrShlee>	well the next stable.
[15:31:42] <AzaTht>	(was a pun on MediaWiki Forever)
[15:31:49] <Adriaan_>	Ok, well if anybody ever feels like helping, please try to find the error I am causing on http://af.wikiquote.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js. There is a search keyboard implemented that is supposed to show up on the search page (http://af.wikiquote.org/wiki/Spesiaal:Search), but which fails to. Any help is extremely appreciated
[15:32:34] <joachim-n>	Looking at the example on namespace protection here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#Restrict_editing_of_an_entire_namespace
[15:32:39] <joachim-n>	but where do I add that text?
[15:34:20] <ialex>	Adriaan_: a start of comment is missing before the line "== Small search keyboard =="
[15:34:52] <ialex>	and you can drop the <pre> tags
[15:35:01] <Adriaan_>	Okay...
[15:35:08] <Adriaan_>	I'll see if I can get that right
[15:35:17] <Adriaan_>	(im not too familiar with the whole mediawiki thing)
[15:35:23] <Adriaan_>	and javascript and all that
[15:35:41] <Adriaan_>	But thanks :P
[15:36:03] <Adriaan_>	is /* the start of the comment?
[15:36:07] <Adriaan_>	That I need to put in?>
[15:36:12] <Adriaan_>	in?*
[15:36:26] <ialex>	 /* yes
[15:36:26] <brown_cat>	heya everyone!
[15:36:41] <ialex>	hello brown_cat
[15:36:43] *brown_cat 	rubs up against ialex
[15:36:58] <brown_cat>	^^
[15:36:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option to not display [+] if no sub-category exists - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11132  (10webmaster)
[15:38:06] <ialex>	Adriaan_: now you can also delete the last line
[15:38:15] <Adriaan_>	Ok
[15:38:41] <Adriaan_>	The last line = /* ?
[15:39:06] <Adriaan_>	Sorry if I'm sounding like a noob... but that's really what I am
[15:39:11] <ialex>	yes
[15:39:24] <ialex>	:)
[15:39:28] <Adriaan_>	Lol ok
[15:39:33] <Adriaan_>	Checking if it works...
[15:40:25] <Adriaan_>	Still not showing up at http://af.wikiquote.org/wiki/Spesiaal:Search :(
[15:41:44] <Adriaan_>	ialex, if it helps to compare, I copied the code stuff from the polish Wikipedia at http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js
[15:43:54] <Adriaan_>	There is also a problem with the "extra toolbar buttons" thing not ever showing up, I just don't know what I'm doing wrong if I copied the stuff directly from en. and pl.
[15:45:09] <ialex>	Adriaan_: you need the first function in http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js
[15:45:40] <Adriaan_>	Ok, what is the first cuntion?
[15:45:44] <Adriaan_>	function*
[15:46:06] <Adriaan_>	this thing:?
[15:46:07] <Adriaan_>	function returnObjById( id ) 
[15:46:07] <Adriaan_>	{ 
[15:46:07] <Adriaan_>	    if (document.getElementById) 
[15:46:07] <Adriaan_>	        var returnVar = document.getElementById(id); 
[15:46:07] <Adriaan_>	    else if (document.all) 
[15:46:09] <Adriaan_>	        var returnVar = document.all[id]; 
[15:46:11] <Adriaan_>	    else if (document.layers) 
[15:46:13] <Adriaan_>	        var returnVar = document.layers[id];
[15:46:15] <Adriaan_>	    return returnVar; 
[15:46:19] <Adriaan_>	}
[15:46:21] <Adriaan_>	 
[15:46:23] <Adriaan_>	switch (skin)
[15:46:24] <Jack_Phoenix>	argh!
[15:46:25] <Adriaan_>	{
[15:46:27] <Adriaan_>	case "standard":
[15:46:27] <Cometstyles>	shhhhh >
[15:46:28] <Jack_Phoenix>	STOP
[15:46:29] <Adriaan_>	var skinBC = 'article';
[15:46:31] <Adriaan_>	break;
[15:46:33] <Adriaan_>	case "cologneblue":
[15:46:35] <Adriaan_>	case "nostalgia":
[15:46:37] <Adriaan_>	var skinBC = 'content';
[15:46:39] <Adriaan_>	case "chick":
[15:46:40] <Jack_Phoenix>	someone kick
[15:46:41] <Cometstyles>	.
[15:46:41] <Adriaan_>	case "monobook":
[15:46:43] <Adriaan_>	case "simple":
[15:46:45] <Adriaan_>	default:
[15:46:46] <Cometstyles>	.;
[15:46:49] <Adriaan_>	var skinBC = 'bodyContent';
[15:46:50] <Jack_Phoenix>	TimStarling: ping
[15:46:51] <Adriaan_>	break;
[15:46:52] <Cometstyles>	stop !!
[15:46:53] <Adriaan_>	}
[15:46:55] <Adriaan_>	var bodyContent = returnObjById(skinBC);
[15:46:57] <Adriaan_>	oops
[15:46:59] <Cometstyles>	Adriaan_,  STOP !!!
[15:46:59] <Adriaan_>	Sorry, but is that what you mean?
[15:47:01] <Adriaan_>	:$
[15:47:02] <Jack_Phoenix>	"Don't paste text to the channel, use http://mediawiki.pastey.net"
[15:47:03] <Adriaan_>	I didn't know it will do tha
[15:47:04] <Jack_Phoenix>	-topic
[15:47:05] <Adriaan_>	that*
[15:47:14] <Adriaan_>	ok
[15:47:14] <Cometstyles>	Adriaan_,  use http://mediawiki.pastey.net/
[15:47:22] <ialex>	Adriaan_: until "switch (skin)" not included
[15:47:28] <Adriaan_>	ok
[15:50:03] <ialex>	Adriaan_: seems to be working now
[15:50:16] <Adriaan_>	Wow cool, my internet is still loading the page lol
[15:50:21] <Adriaan_>	But thanks a lot for that!
[15:50:31] <ialex>	wiat a moment
[15:50:35] <ialex>	*wait
[15:50:43] <Wiredtape>	hello all
[15:50:53] <Adriaan_>	It's not adding the stuff into the search field
[15:51:17] <Adriaan_>	It's supposed to look like this: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specjalna:Szukaj?search=&fulltext=Szukaj
[15:53:21] <ialex>	Adriaan_: also this : http://mediawiki.pastey.net/73299
[15:53:28] <Adriaan_>	ok
[15:54:11] <Adriaan_>	Can I paste it anywhere, ialex?
[15:54:43] <ialex>	Adriaan_: i think
[15:54:50] <Adriaan_>	ok
[15:56:38] <Adriaan_>	Yay it working! Thank you very much, ialex :P
[15:56:52] <ialex>	Adriaan_: you're welcome
[15:56:58] <Adriaan_>	:D
[15:57:36] <[PRDS]MrShlee>	Any eta for the stable 1.11.0 release? I'm thinking about launching a wiki with 1.10.1.. I'm willing to wait
[15:57:39] <Jack_Phoenix>	hey TimLaqua, how's it going? :)
[15:58:05] <TimLaqua>	soso.  trying to get the LdapAuth plugin to behave.  ;-)
[15:58:30] <Jack_Phoenix>	<g>
[15:58:34] <TimLaqua>	I got on to see if Ryan was around.  it would appear not.
[16:03:12] <Simetrical>	[PRDS]MrShlee, no ETA.  How long are you willing to wait?
[16:04:12] <joachim-n>	how do I make $wgNamespaceProtection an OR-list of user groups instead of AND?
[16:08:21] <ialex>	joachim-n: instead you can create a new permission for editing the namespace and assign it by $wgGroupPermissions 
[16:08:40] <joachim-n>	thanks
[16:09:03] <Wiredtape>	is there an extension that can output a list of sub pages of an article?
[16:09:44] <ialex>	Wiredtape: {{Special:Prefindex/{{FULLPAGENAME}}}} ?
[16:09:54] <[PRDS]MrShlee>	Simetrical: I'm generally happy to upload 1.10 now and upgrade sooner
[16:10:01] <Wiredtape>	ialex, I want to expand it into an article
[16:10:04] <Wiredtape>	oh
[16:10:05] <Wiredtape>	sorry
[16:10:07] <Wiredtape>	forget it
[16:10:11] <Wiredtape>	Thank you ialex...
[16:15:36] <Wiredtape>	is there away to change the layout of {{special:prefixindex}} output? meaning... i want to put it into a nice box with a bullet listing
[16:16:08] <Wiredtape>	and is there such a thing (or is it possible) to do a subpage of a subpage? ie. article/bla1/bla2
[16:16:20] <Simetrical>	To #2, sure.
[16:16:43] <Simetrical>	To #1, you can use global stylesheet declarations, I guess.
[16:19:01] <Wiredtape>	Simetrical, thank you, how would I use global stylesheet declarations? Are we talking css, if so, does the output have some sort of tag I can use?
[16:22:49] <Simetrical>	Wiredtape, yes, CSS.  Look at the output, I don't know offhand what sort of selectors you might want to use.
[16:24:26] <Wiredtape>	Simetrical, Thank you...
[16:24:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oversight should be able to hide log entries as well - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7871  (10robchur)
[16:25:55] <Wiredtape>	one more question, do subpages auto-inherit their parents categories?
[16:26:33] <Wiredtape>	so on a category tree or other category display would they appear...?
[16:26:52] <Simetrical>	Wiredtape, no.
[16:27:31] <Wiredtape>	thank you once more.
[16:30:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Browser asks me to select application for opening file - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11153  (10robchur)
[16:31:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Some way to specify heading level for new sections - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9426  (10robchur)
[16:40:37] <CIA-15>	03robchurch * r25408 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Bug number
[16:43:47] <G_SabinoMullane>	There's a place in SpecialAllpages.php that's doing a 'select page_title from page limit 1' and relying on mysql's implicit sorting behavior to get the first title. Should I add an order by to the clause, and let mysql optimize it away (as seems indicated by the docs), or leave the query alone and only add the order by for other databases with a flag (e.g. implicitOrderby)?
[16:44:32] <G_SabinoMullane>	The two explain plans seem slightly different on mysql (order by adds a filesort), but I don't know enough about mysql to determine if this is a big difference or not for large page tables.
[16:46:49] <Untitled|afk>	hi
[16:47:44] <Untitled|afk>	i need some help
[16:48:20] <Untitled|afk>	Is it possible to make a log-in/password box for a website homepage to log into my media wiki with?
[16:48:32] <Pathoschild>	Yes, but I don't know how it's done.
[16:48:52] <Pathoschild>	I know the Mandriva Linux wiki does it, for example.
[16:49:43] <Untitled|afk>	How does the mandriva Linux wiki differ from media wiki?
[16:50:30] <Pathoschild>	MediaWiki is the software; Mandriva Linux wiki is a wiki about Mandriva Linux that uses the MediaWiki software.
[16:50:45] <Pathoschild>	They run a customized version of MediaWiki.
[16:51:51] <Untitled|afk>	Oh
[16:52:00] <Untitled|afk>	https://my.mandriva.com/login/ ?
[16:52:15] <Pathoschild>	I think so.
[16:52:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Some way to specify heading level for new sections - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9426  (10t.laqua)
[16:53:07] <Untitled|afk>	thats pretty much what i want although my one would need to be smaller and on the side bar of the main page. 
[16:53:49] <TimLaqua>	_Danny_B_, ;-)
[16:54:12] <Untitled|afk>	and why doesn;t mediawiki have an ACP?
[16:54:15] <TimLaqua>	I think the reason there are so many bugs is because the developers can't decide how any particular bug should be fixed.
[16:54:45] *Jack_Phoenix 	thinks you're right
[16:55:00] <Pathoschild>	Untitled|afk: ACP?
[16:55:12] <Untitled|afk>	admin control center
[16:55:17] <Pathoschild>	An American College of Physicians is pretty expensive.
[16:55:24] <TimLaqua>	Patch'n close, let the users decide if it's right.  ;-)
[16:55:28] <Untitled|afk>	like forums do etc
[16:55:46] <Pathoschild>	Untitled|afk: It's too complex; there is a variable-based configuration file called LocalSettings.php.
[16:56:02] <Simetrical>	Untitled|afk, it was made for Wikipedia, which is run by people who like configuration files.
[16:56:06] <Untitled|afk>	yeah i know. 
[16:56:14] <Untitled|afk>	lol
[16:56:23] <Simetrical>	Untitled|afk, it was only ever released to the public somewhat incidentally.
[16:56:32] <Simetrical>	That's also why you need shell access to run maintenance scripts.
[16:56:46] <Simetrical>	Because nobody bothered to write everything to work well for a wide audience.
[16:57:13] <Untitled|afk>	i could even get the default logo thing to work in localsettings.php. so i replaced the sauce for ther image
[16:57:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Formatnum and expr gives erroneous calculation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11156 normal; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (joanjoc)
[16:59:29] <Nikerabbit>	gah
[17:00:11] <Untitled|afk>	so any way of making a log-in thing for my wikipedia so uses can log in from the main site
[17:00:13] <Nikerabbit>	it's not a fri***ing calculator
[17:00:20] <TimLaqua>	lol
[17:02:47] <Simetrical>	Untitled|afk, what sort of login system do you use for the main site?
[17:03:48] <TimStarling>	AzaTht: still there?
[17:04:00] <thesnarky1>	Right now I'm trying to expand a parser that adds categories based on certain information. All that works, but I want to make the Category pages it links to into certain stubs... is it possible to generate that content using #ifexists?
[17:05:13] <TimStarling>	AzaTht: what name should I credit it to?
[17:08:08] <Untitled|afk>	like maybe just login: and password: fields and a Submit button
[17:08:50] <Simetrical>	Untitled|afk, what is the *underlying* system, which decides whether the login and password are correct?
[17:09:37] <Untitled|afk>	i have no idea. it's still in design form. i dont code. i need to know what the best road to go down to make it happen 
[17:10:22] <Simetrical>	You'll need to write an extension for MediaWiki to get it to work with a preexisting login system.
[17:10:32] <Simetrical>	Or you can use a standard solution like LDAP and use preexisting extensions.
[17:10:43] <Simetrical>	Or write your custom login system to use MediaWiki's system.
[17:10:52] <Simetrical>	#2 is quite possibly the best idea.
[17:11:12] <[PRDS]MrShlee>	Are Wikipedia planning to support openid?
[17:11:17] <Untitled|afk>	use a standard solution like LDAP and use preexisting extensions?
[17:11:20] <Simetrical>	[PRDS]MrShlee, eventually.
[17:11:25] <Simetrical>	Untitled|afk, yes, that might be best.
[17:11:39] <Untitled|afk>	whats LDAP
[17:11:40] <Untitled|afk>	lmao
[17:11:58] <Simetrical>	Untitled|afk, a standard user login system.
[17:12:18] <AzaTht>	TimStarling: no credit is required, but Carl Fürstenberg if necissary
[17:12:38] <Untitled|afk>	where can i get the LDAP?
[17:14:31] *Pathoschild 	pokes Untitled|afk with < http://www.google.ca/search?q=LDAP >
[17:14:58] <Untitled|afk>	:o
[17:15:06] <Cometstyles>	:O
[17:16:22] *Simetrical 	wants to purge <br /> from the software
[17:23:20] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: huh?
[17:23:39] <Simetrical>	You can't style it.
[17:23:55] <Simetrical>	<div>foo</div><div>bar</div> can be put on one line, or you can do whatever else you like, with CSS.
[17:24:00] <Simetrical>	foo<br />bar you can't touch.
[17:24:40] <omgs>	re:
[17:24:52] <Nikerabbit>	and where does that matter?
[17:25:06] <omgs>	Can anybody using IE test this url? http://www.omgs.net/~oscar/mediawiki/index.php/Tema5Biblioteca
[17:25:38] <omgs>	And please tell me if the counters for the TOC show "0" or the right numbers
[17:35:53] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, anywhere you want to tweak the look of something.
[17:36:45] <Nikerabbit>	like?
[17:37:50] <Simetrical>	Like whoever complained so as to provoke Tim's last commit.
[17:38:43] <Simetrical>	It's just good practice to make your HTML adjustable by CSS.
[17:42:00] <Nikerabbit>	ugh
[17:42:06] <Jack_Phoenix>	rar
[17:42:14] <Nikerabbit>	re acceskeys: I think we already have too much of them in default set
[17:43:02] <Jack_Phoenix>	accesskeys = stupid
[17:43:08] <Jack_Phoenix>	who uses them? not me
[17:43:20] <Nikerabbit>	don't be stupid then
[17:43:32] <Nikerabbit>	I frequently use r for recent changes
[17:43:39] <Nikerabbit>	sometimes x for random page
[17:43:41] *TimLaqua 	gets some popcorn
[17:43:42] <Nikerabbit>	but that's about it
[17:44:52] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) In Monobook, text wraps incorrectly around multiple images , hiding behind one. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11157 minor; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (tim.ivorson)
[17:56:37] *Simetrical 	always uses s, p, i, w
[18:03:23] <CIA-15>	03greg * r25410 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
[18:03:23] <CIA-15>	Add implicitOrderby() to make sure that SpecialAllpages uses an ORDER BY when needed.
[18:03:23] <CIA-15>	Made this an option rather than forcing the ORDER BY as testing show MySQL is
[18:03:23] <CIA-15>	faster without it for large tables.
[18:09:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Postgres database code does not support multiple schemas - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11136  +comment (10greg)
[18:09:53] <Nikerabbit>	how do I purge cached sitenotice?
[18:18:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Postgres database code does not support multiple schemas - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11136  (10gregory.murphy)
[18:20:23] <_Danny_B_>	Nikerabbit: purge mediawiki:sitenotice?
[18:22:45] <Nikerabbit>	didn't help
[18:23:36] <_Danny_B_>	Nikerabbit: and i suppose you cleared your browser's cache...
[18:23:44] <_Danny_B_>	what wiki? public?
[18:23:54] <CIA-15>	03greg * r25411 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: Correct comments about frequency of pruning.
[18:27:26] <_Danny_B_>	is the inner content of tags treated as plaintext? example: <tag><subtag>foo</subtag>bar</tag> - having extension1which handles <tag> and uses <subtag> as marker. then somebody installs extension2 which handles <subtag> (just because of same name) - so will i get plaintext or evaluated <subtag> while handling <tag>?
[18:28:05] <omoo>	hallo everyone, i have a problem with the fileupload. i want to upload a svg-file. this is not a legal format. how can i upload those files?
[18:32:15] <Pathoschild>	omoo: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgFileExtensions
[18:32:46] <Pathoschild>	You need to edit LocalSettings.php < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:LocalSettings.php >
[18:39:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Importing some pages fails because of deadlockLoop ( using postgres) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11080  (10greg)
[18:43:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create the group "test-sysop" for the Wikimedia Incubator - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10727  summary; +comment (10robin_1273)
[18:44:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Postgres database code does not support multiple schemas - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11136  (10greg)
[18:54:13] <AzaTht>	TimStarling: any problems?
[18:58:33] <omoo>	thanks parthoschild
[18:59:18] <Pathoschild>	Welcome.
[19:11:55] <facefaceface>	hi, dumb question here, but is it possible to use a template to categorize a page via a variable? I can't seem to make it work
[19:13:47] <Pathoschild>	It should be; just add [[Category:{{VARIABLE}}]] or some such to the template.
[19:14:06] <facefaceface>	Pathoschild, that is exactly what fails
[19:14:28] <facefaceface>	[[Category:{{{VARIABLE}}}]] I mean
[19:14:37] <Pathoschild>	Linky?
[19:14:43] <facefaceface>	moment
[19:15:07] <Malesca>	Two things I'd like for my wiki: a hierarchical structure, where the child page links back to the parent page; and displaying the entire hierarchy (or some subset) in the sidebar. Is http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Hierarchy my best bet or are there other candidates?
[19:15:27] <Simetrical>	Malesca, well, you can use ordinary subpages.
[19:15:39] <Simetrical>	If those are your only two requirements.
[19:16:18] <Malesca>	Simetrical: I'm not intimately familiar with MediaWiki. Is this pages named like "foo/bar"?
[19:16:46] <Simetrical>	Malesca, yes.  Subpages need to be enabled in the relevant namespace for that to imply subpage functionality like linkbacks, though.
[19:17:25] <Malesca>	Simetrical: Ah, cool. I tried naming a page like that but didn't see any linkback. So will look into enabling subpages in the relevant namespace. Thanks!
[19:18:02] <facefaceface>	Pathoschild, heh... the test I built works fine ;-)
[19:18:13] <Pathoschild>	:)
[19:23:04] <Simetrical>	. . . @ Ubuntu Wine package being 11 minor revisions out-of-date
[19:23:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Adding the sha1 to the imageinfo query - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11115  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[19:23:19] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Adding the sha1 to the imageinfo query - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11115  (10roan.kattouw)
[19:23:46] *Simetrical 	adds the WineHQ APT repository to his local list
[19:29:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special (Log) page for First Contribution date - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11147  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[19:31:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special (Log) page for First Contribution date - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11147  +comment (10fearow00)
[19:33:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Postgres database code does not support multiple schemas - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11136  (10gregory.murphy)
[19:50:07] <marchelly_>	re
[19:50:28] <marchelly_>	how to enable categories in my wiki ?
[19:50:45] <marchelly_>	I can't find good doc
[19:51:06] <marchelly_>	with all this stuff questions howto...
[19:53:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) format=jsonfm does not escape properly - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11158 15enhancement; lowest; MediaWiki: API; (Bryan.TongMinh)
[19:54:06] <mauran>	need some help in templates
[19:54:50] <Wayoshi>	what about them
[19:55:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) format=jsonfm does not escape properly - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11158  15enhancement->normal; lowest->normal (10robchur)
[19:55:37] <mauran>	 | '''a''' || [[:catagory:{{{a}}}|{{{a}}}]]
[19:55:42] <facefaceface>	marchelly, just add [[Category:Somesuch]] to your page
[19:55:47] <mauran>	this is one of the lines in my template
[19:56:01] <facefaceface>	mauran, hah!
[19:56:11] <facefaceface>	go on
[19:56:15] <mauran>	a value will create catagory automatically
[19:56:22] <facefaceface>	yes
[19:56:29] <mauran>	my problem is,
[19:56:34] <facefaceface>	yes...
[19:56:42] <mauran>	when i need to have more than one "a" value,
[19:56:47] <Wayoshi>	catagory?
[19:56:49] <mauran>	how can i handle it?
[19:56:51] <facefaceface>	like a list?
[19:56:58] <mauran>	this template is for books
[19:57:00] <facefaceface>	mauran, I don't think it is possible :(
[19:57:06] <marchelly>	facefaceface,  I saw on other wiki when editing the button "category" and other that is not inkludet in mine. how to add them ?
[19:57:09] <mauran>	a = author
[19:57:14] <facefaceface>	I think you need one template for each different number of a
[19:57:38] <mauran>	ok forget about the catagory
[19:57:43] <mauran>	its working well
[19:57:48] <facefaceface>	marchelly, add that page into the category by typing the text '[[Category:Somesuch]]'
[19:57:55] <facefaceface>	mauran, really?
[19:58:01] <mauran>	 i need to know, how to handle more than one value
[19:58:07] <facefaceface>	you can use lists in a template... oh
[19:58:07] <mauran>	yes
[19:58:25] <TimLaqua>	CIA-15 has been mighty quiet today
[19:58:26] <facefaceface>	I would guess if it is possible you can google
[19:58:27] <mauran>	can you direct me to a sample?
[19:58:39] <facefaceface>	mauran, I don't know 
[19:58:46] <facefaceface>	lemmy know if you find out!
[19:59:08] <mauran>	did you get my problem?
[19:59:18] <facefaceface>	anybody know how to handle list type variables?
[19:59:27] <facefaceface>	mauran, I think so, some book with more than one author
[19:59:30] <marchelly>	facefaceface, thanks. it helps. but how to add buttons to edit pages?
[19:59:49] <facefaceface>	you don't really want to pass '{{{variable}}}', but rather '{{{list}}}'
[19:59:50] <mauran>	when i need to add more than one authors, how can I do it in wiki page?
[20:00:02] <facefaceface>	marchelly, add buttons to edit pages?
[20:00:09] <facefaceface>	what are you talking about?
[20:00:27] <mauran>	let me explain in detail
[20:00:27] <facefaceface>	mauran, you could have variables a, b and c, and then some complex 'if' clauses
[20:00:33] <facefaceface>	please dont
[20:00:37] <Wayoshi>	adding buttons would require an extension of sorts
[20:00:39] <mauran>	:-)
[20:00:39] <facefaceface>	;-)
[20:00:59] <facefaceface>	mauran, only joking, but someone here may be able to help you.
[20:01:08] <facefaceface>	AFAIK its not trivial
[20:01:35] <mauran>	ok who is the "template person"? :-)
[20:01:45] <mauran>	I'll contact him privately
[20:01:49] <facefaceface>	but if you have >1 author, you would like to pass a list to the template and have multiple entries in your table and multiple categories for the page?
[20:01:53] <mauran>	bit nervous 
[20:01:58] <CIA-15>	03tlaqua * r25413 10/trunk/extensions/UserMerge/UserMerge.i18n.php: Changed \n to <br /> in messages - extension is using .addHTML, so characters aren't escaped properly. HTML BR is fine.
[20:02:29] <mauran>	to facefaceface: yes
[20:02:38] <facefaceface>	mauran, just idle on the channel and scream "CATEGORIES" every 30 minues
[20:02:48] <facefaceface>	so long, and good luck!
[20:02:58] <Wayoshi>	>.>
[20:03:51] <marchelly>	facefaceface, when editing some page in top of texsbox are located some buttons: bold, link, image, etc. in some mediawiki there also i saw button category, but in mine there is no button category
[20:04:27] <mauran>	(01:32:49 AM) facefaceface left the room (quit: "Leaving").
[20:04:44] <mauran>	who knows "templates" well?
[20:05:09] <_Danny_B_>	mauran: what do you need to know?
[20:06:14] <IIVQ>	hello
[20:06:22] <IIVQ>	Question: Is there a possibility to have the title of all categories show "foo" instead of "category:foo" (thus omitting the "category:") in a private wiki without php reprogramming?
[20:07:01] <_Danny_B_>	IIVQ: and the js method i told you isn't acceptable?
[20:07:29] <mauran>	i want to create a templates for books
[20:07:50] <mauran>	how can I add >1 authers
[20:07:52] <mauran>	in template
[20:07:59] <mauran>	*authors
[20:08:03] <IIVQ>	_Danny_B_: it needs to be so for all users, for all category: pages
[20:08:31] <IIVQ>	It's a question I got from a colleague - I allready told him it's likely not easy without reprogramming...
[20:08:53] <IIVQ>	mauran: how do you mean >1 authors?
[20:09:01] <mauran>	more than one authors
[20:09:02] <_Danny_B_>	IIVQ: can still be done with js using mediawiki:common.js
[20:09:16] <mauran>	some books has only one auth
[20:09:20] <mauran>	some has many
[20:09:24] <mauran>	how can i handle it
[20:09:28] <mauran>	in templates?
[20:09:55] <IIVQ>	cant you just do {{Book|title=A book|author=A. A. Aaron, B. C. Defgin}} ?
[20:10:19] <IIVQ>	_Danny_B_: how do you do that? An example of a similar case will do
[20:10:35] <IIVQ>	mauran: title above is for you
[20:10:42] <mauran>	m
[20:11:05] <mauran>	ohh
[20:11:11] <mauran>	users will add authors
[20:11:19] <mauran>	when edit pages
[20:11:32] <mauran>	template has to proide variable 
[20:11:34] <mauran>	thats it
[20:12:38] <IIVQ>	_Danny_B_? Any example?
[20:13:47] <_Danny_B_>	IIVQ: in general it would be something like if (wgNamespaceNumber == 14) { header=document.getElementsByTagName("h1")[0]; header.innerText = header.innerText.replace("Category: ", ""); }
[20:14:07] <IIVQ>	ok, cool
[20:14:08] <marchelly>	can I manualy edit EditPage.php to add some buttons ?
[20:14:09] <_Danny_B_>	it's just principle. check for crossbrowser compatibility and other issues
[20:14:20] *IIVQ 	has no experience whatsoever with javascript
[20:14:27] <marchelly>	or is the more simple way to do this ?
[20:14:30] <IIVQ>	I mean with Mediawiki+javascript
[20:15:08] <IIVQ>	_Danny_B_: only browser it will be used on is IE6 - unfortunately
[20:15:15] <IIVQ>	it's in a corporate environment
[20:15:28] <IIVQ>	but thanks! I hope it will work!
[20:15:55] <_Danny_B_>	IIVQ: therefore it's easier to handle ;-) i wrote it from head to show principle. not saying it will work exactly as it is
[20:16:01] <IIVQ>	mauran: did I answer your question? :-P
[20:16:38] <IIVQ>	_Danny_B_: ok. Thx... I just hope to find some example. Too tired now but will search on the corresponding javascript clauses to find an example
[20:16:56] <IIVQ>	Where exactly is the monobook.js?
[20:17:05] <IIVQ>	mediawiki:monobook.js?
[20:17:07] <_Danny_B_>	IIVQ: so am i, otherwise i gave you the exact solution. try to reach me tomorrow
[20:17:19] <_Danny_B_>	IIVQ: yes
[20:17:27] <IIVQ>	_Danny_B_: If I can't find it out tomorrow I'll contact you then!
[20:17:31] <IIVQ>	Thanks a lot anyway
[20:17:43] <_Danny_B_>	you'lll need to add it to onload hook
[20:17:47] <_Danny_B_>	let me find it
[20:27:24] <Malesca>	I find the process of adding images to my MediaWiki a bit bothersome. Go to upload page, upload it, remember/copy the filename, go to the page I want it on, include the markup. Am I doing things the wrong way or is this the usual workflow? Are there plugins/settings to make things more straightforward?
[20:28:39] <Malesca>	Ideally, I could click "include image" when editing an article, get a file dialog, upload it and have the proper markup inserted.
[20:31:41] <Pathoschild>	That's a good idea. Start coding. ;)
[20:32:44] <Malesca>	:)
[20:37:20] <IIVQ>	Malesca: A way to do it a little easier (in current situation) is: write article including image link, click "preview", see image as red link, open that link *IN NEW WINDOW*, upload image, close window and save other text with image now properly embedded
[20:37:28] <IIVQ>	no need to remember / copy image name
[20:38:51] <Platonides>	IIVQ, you can save it
[20:38:58] <Malesca>	IIVQ: Good idea, thanks!
[20:38:59] <Platonides>	and then click on all red links and upload the images
[20:39:23] <Platonides>	for the remove "Category:" there was a similar issue some time ago at the mailing list
[20:39:32] <IIVQ>	ok
[20:39:36] <Platonides>	but i think it touched the php code
[20:39:37] <IIVQ>	do you know what it's about?
[20:39:55] <Platonides>	sorry?
[20:40:20] <IIVQ>	Platonides: sometimes when saveing, then uploading the images you get caching problems, need to do a null edit before seeing the page
[20:40:34] <IIVQ>	did you know what the mailing list entry was about?
[20:41:01] <Platonides>	sorry, i'm speaking about the mail by heart
[20:41:05] <IIVQ>	or what mailinglist, even? :-P
[20:41:16] <IIVQ>	I'll do a search, soon
[20:41:17] <Platonides>	instead of anull edit, a purge probably also works
[20:41:29] <Platonides>	but shouldn't be needed :s
[20:41:40] <Platonides>	http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/
[20:43:17] <IIVQ>	ok
[20:43:23] <IIVQ>	ok
[20:43:31] <IIVQ>	I go to sleep now, will search tomorrow
[20:44:11] <I---^I>	bye all, thx Platonides and _Danny_B_ 
[21:03:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create the group "test-sysop" for the Wikimedia Incubator - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10727  (10cbrown1023)
[21:04:16] <TimLaqua>	What's up with spanish accent characters not working in i18n files?
[21:04:33] <TimLaqua>	I had to switch all the accent characters over to &*acute; to get it to work.
[21:04:50] <Jack_Phoenix>	O_o
[21:04:54] <Jack_Phoenix>	odd
[21:04:56] <TimLaqua>	very odd
[21:05:05] <TimLaqua>	then I looked at another extension that had a spanish translation
[21:05:14] <TimLaqua>	and they did the same &*acute; thing
[21:05:32] <Jack_Phoenix>	Tim: also, just out of curiosity...have you gotten time to play around with Special:SiteSettings yet? :)
[21:05:38] <TimLaqua>	negative
[21:05:45] <TimLaqua>	It's on my mind tho
[21:05:50] <Jack_Phoenix>	:D
[21:06:52] <TimLaqua>	I think most people like the idea of a sitesettings page - it's just tricky because then all the sudden you have two sets of preferences.
[21:07:03] <Jack_Phoenix>	yeah, right
[21:07:14] <TimLaqua>	so, as brion said the other day, the original theory was rewriting localsettings.php... which is insanity
[21:07:47] <Jack_Phoenix>	yeah, kinda
[21:08:01] <TimLaqua>	so if you're not rewriting that, then you have two sets of prefs.  and how frustrating would support be when you're telling someone to change stuff in localsettings.php and the whole time, they have another variable in sitesettings (the page) that's overriding it
[21:08:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Browser asks me to select application for opening file - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11153  +comment (10jamesrmaclean)
[21:08:34] <TimLaqua>	and then, you have to have an over-ride optioin, in case you break you wiki with bogus settings... so you can disable the page....  lol, i'm thinkin about it for sure.  ;-)
[21:12:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) format=jsonfm does not escape properly - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11158  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[21:14:43] <davidmccabe>	I would like to start lobbying for a distributed VCS. I wonder, is there any interest in this here already?
[21:21:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Browser asks me to select application for opening file - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11153  (10robchur)
[21:36:01] <CIA-15>	03tlaqua * r25416 10/trunk/extensions/ContributionScores/ContributionScores.i18n.php: i18n Update (es)
[21:36:14] <TimLaqua>	Anyone in here work with the i18n files much?  I'm trying to figure out where all this encoding is coming from
[21:38:29] <Duesentrieb>	TimLaqua: "all this encoding"?
[21:38:46] <Duesentrieb>	it is all utf-8 (or broken)
[21:39:35] <TimLaqua>	well, like í is represented as í
[21:39:49] <TimLaqua>	there's a wacky dash after the A thing
[21:40:23] <TimLaqua>	like glance at MessagesEs.php
[21:40:25] <Duesentrieb>	TimLaqua: your editor is using the wrong encoding. tell it to use utf-8
[21:40:43] <Duesentrieb>	TimLaqua: make sure it doesn't insert a BOM when saving, php doesn't like that
[21:41:32] <TimLaqua>	Umm....
[21:41:40] <TimLaqua>	what's a BOM
[21:41:58] <TimLaqua>	and where's the UTF-8 setting in notepad?
[21:42:04] <Duesentrieb>	"byte order marker". invisible characters at the start of files. some editor like to use it to say "this is unicode"
[21:42:08] <Duesentrieb>	php doens't like it
[21:42:17] <Jasio>	Don't use Notepad.
[21:42:24] <Duesentrieb>	:)
[21:42:24] <Jasio>	Use a reliable text-editor.
[21:42:25] <TimLaqua>	SciTE?
[21:42:28] <Jasio>	SciTE is great.
[21:42:33] <TimLaqua>	ok, i'm using SciTE
[21:42:35] <Jasio>	or Quanta if you're a linux user.
[21:42:38] <TimLaqua>	where' the unicode doodad?
[21:42:51] <Duesentrieb>	Kate for me, Quanta is overkill
[21:42:52] <Jasio>	Select 'Language'
[21:42:55] <Jasio>	Select 'PHP'
[21:43:07] <TimLaqua>	ummm... of course...
[21:43:28] <Duesentrieb>	Jasio: the encoding is there along with the highlight mode? that... odd.
[21:43:32] <Jasio>	Under File
[21:43:35] <Jasio>	Select Encoding
[21:43:38] <Duesentrieb>	ah :)
[21:43:40] <Jasio>	And Select UTF-8
[21:43:45] <TimLaqua>	awesome
[21:43:47] <Jasio>	Duesentrieb, no.
[21:43:54] <Jasio>	But I wanted the PHP language highlighting enabled :p
[21:44:07] <Jasio>	It's so pretty and colorful~
[21:44:16] <TimLaqua>	the file>encoding was what I needed - looks much nicer now
[21:44:22] <Jasio>	Indeed.
[21:47:19] <CIA-15>	03tlaqua * r25417 10/trunk/extensions/ContributionScores/ContributionScores.i18n.php: i18n works MUCH better as UTF-8. ;-) Fixed encoding for es.
[21:48:47] <omoo>	hallo everyone,
[21:49:28] <omoo>	i've a problem with svg-files. when i upload them they are demaged sometimes
[21:49:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Upload protection for new users at Russian Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11159 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (poss)
[21:49:52] <Duesentrieb>	omoo: the files are demaged? or they don't show like you expect them to?
[21:50:21] <omoo>	the files are ok, but the thumbs are demaged
[21:50:26] <Duesentrieb>	omoo: svg renderes have different quirks. the one your server is using might not like the svg you create
[21:50:32] <omoo>	http://ol-wiki.de/index.php?title=Bild:Kolv_logo.svg
[21:50:43] <omoo>	its only black
[21:51:03] <Duesentrieb>	omoo: mediawiki uses imagemagick per default for svg rendering. it's the one that's available allmost everywhere, but it's pretty bad.
[21:51:19] <Duesentrieb>	use rsvg instead if you can (or sodipodi, or Batik)
[21:52:34] <Duesentrieb>	omoo: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_thumbnailing#Image_thumbnailing
[21:52:58] <Duesentrieb>	omoo: note that you need to manually purge the rendered thumbnails after changing the renderer
[22:32:22] <CIA-15>	03tlaqua * r25418 10/trunk/extensions/ContributionScores/ContributionScores_body.php: Added plainlinks class to report tables for suppression of the lock icon over SSL connections.
[22:42:55] <_Danny_B_>	is the inner content of tags treated as plaintext? example: <tag><subtag>foo</subtag>bar</tag> - having extension1which handles <tag> and uses <subtag> as marker. then somebody installs extension2 which handles <subtag> (just because of same name) - so will i get plaintext or evaluated <subtag> while handling <tag>?
[22:43:28] <Duesentrieb>	_Danny_B_: text between extension text is literal. it is passed to the extension untouched.
[22:43:51] <Duesentrieb>	this means that no nested extension work, nor do templates, template parameters, etc
[22:44:01] <Duesentrieb>	...unless the extension handles all that explicitely.
[22:44:33] <Duesentrieb>	_Danny_B_: parserfunctions are smarter. they operate on wikitext.
[22:46:41] <_Danny_B_>	cool!!! because i'd like to do extension which would do one xslt transformation to render the output. so i wanted to be sure, i'll receive untouched text
[22:50:13] <Duesentrieb>	_Danny_B_: note that the resulting HTML is *not* passed through untouched. it may get mangeled.
[22:53:09] <Duesentrieb>	_Danny_B_: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extensions_FAQ#How_can_I_avoid_modification_of_my_extension.27s_HTML_output.3F
[22:58:50] <aton`>	what am i doing wrong when the users dont get emails after creating an account?
[23:09:58] <_Danny_B_>	Duesentrieb: thx for the link
[23:21:59] <Atlantiz>	hey guys i get an error: Not Acceptable
[23:21:59] <Atlantiz>	An appropriate representation of the requested resource /index.php could not be found on this server.
[23:22:07] <Atlantiz>	when i try to make a new entry
[23:22:12] <Atlantiz>	in the wiki page
[23:23:13] <Atlantiz>	this is my site http://doctorrescue.com
[23:23:28] <ataalto>	a question. Is it possible to have namespace-specific logos for mediawiki?
[23:24:37] <ataalto>	I'd like to use the logo space as a navigation aid, and having a different logo for a couple of "top level" pages would do the trick very nicely.
[23:33:58] <Atlantiz>	can anyone help please?
[23:36:01] <TimLaqua>	Atlantiz, what's the problem?
[23:36:09] <TimLaqua>	Atlantiz, looks like it's workin' fine
[23:36:20] <Atlantiz>	let me try to submit another entry
[23:36:50] <Atlantiz>	weird a minute ago it was having an error heh
[23:37:43] <Atlantiz>	it's when i make a bigger entry that that error shows
[23:37:53] <Atlantiz>	with <pre></pre> tags
[23:38:02] <Atlantiz>	maybe there is a limit in the size?
[23:38:34] <Atlantiz>	TimLaqua the error is: Not Acceptable
[23:38:35] <Atlantiz>	An appropriate representation of the requested resource /index.php could not be found on this server.
[23:39:31] <Atlantiz>	hmm i removed the <pre></pre> tags...i think it has to do with the size of the entry
[23:40:23] <Ruby>	hello, got a question about the wiki, i se some wiki's has "10 latest changes" and "10 latest added pages" on the frontpage of their wiki. how can i have that on mine ?
[23:40:40] <TimLaqua>	which wiki?
[23:40:50] <aton`>	Ruby, you have "recent changes" on the left in the menu
[23:42:08] <tty1>	i wish i could get inter liki winking to work :)
[23:42:35] <aton`>	yeah inter leaky pimpin 
[23:43:16] <Atlantiz>	TimLaqua my entry is a list of bash commands to show what they do maybe mediawiki is afraid of the commands?
[23:43:16] <tty1>	Woul anyone like to see a skintemplate i created for both mediawiki and php to make them look like part of one unified site? (im using it right now on my wiki)... d also welcome any design input
[23:43:35] <TimLaqua>	Atlantiz, dunno, that doesn't make much sense.  ;-)
[23:43:39] <tty1>	*skin/template
[23:44:06] <Atlantiz>	TimLaqua I copied an entry out wikipedia that was huge and it worked fine in preview...but my bash list doesn't work still lol
[23:44:18] <Simetrical>	Ruby, try {{Special:Newpages/10}} and {{Special:Recentchanges/10}}, or something.
[23:44:38] <TimLaqua>	holy moley, Newpages and Recentchanges are includable?
[23:45:01] <Atlantiz>	TimLaqua, here is the beginning of my bash command entry: An A-Z Index of the Linux BASH command line
[23:45:01] <Atlantiz>	alias    Create an alias
[23:45:01] <Atlantiz>	apropos  Search Help manual pages (man -k)
[23:45:01] <Atlantiz>	awk      Find and Replace text, database sort/validate/index
[23:45:13] <Atlantiz>	and the list continues
[23:45:20] <TimLaqua>	ya
[23:45:22] <Atlantiz>	maybe it doesn't like one of the commands?
[23:45:31] <TimLaqua>	it doesn't care waht you type in the article
[23:45:36] <Atlantiz>	weird
[23:45:49] <TimLaqua>	where'd you get the list from?
[23:46:07] <Untitled|afk>	how do i do it so only registed users can make new pages on my mediawiki?
[23:46:08] <Duesentrieb>	tty1: it would be nice to have such things on mediawiki.org - though i don't think we have a proper place for skin stuff yet. perhaps file it as an extension.
[23:46:10] <Simetrical>	TimLaqua, I think they are.
[23:46:17] <Duesentrieb>	Untitled|afk: read the faq
[23:46:41] <tty1>	Duesentrieb: im not sure its clean enough for that, it hasnt even been tested yet.
[23:47:08] <Atlantiz>	http://www.ss64.com/bash/
[23:47:17] <Atlantiz>	it's going to be similar
[23:47:20] <tty1>	Duesentrieb: also im not sure how id file it on the metawiki site, as it is fairly useless without its phpbb counterpart skin
[23:47:22] <Atlantiz>	I was just previewing it
[23:48:01] <Atlantiz>	take a look at it maybe something there wikimedia doesn't like?
[23:51:30] <TimLaqua>	Atlantiz, yeah, I get the same failure on your site - I ran it on my dev 1.10.1 site and it worked fine.
[23:51:35] <Ruby>	Simetrical thanks <3
[23:51:44] <Atlantiz>	weird eh
[23:52:32] <TimLaqua>	dunno.  any errors in your PHP logs?
[23:52:37] <Duesentrieb>	tty1: well, all i'm saying is this: if you want others to use it and/or comment on it, put it somewhere where it can be found.
[23:53:00] <tty1>	Duesentrieb: im not sure i know of such a place
[23:53:18] <Atlantiz>	Tim I don't have access to them
[23:53:27] <TimLaqua>	owch
[23:53:32] <TimLaqua>	makes it hard to troubleshoot.
[23:53:53] <Atlantiz>	let me double check
[23:54:43] <Ruby>	siebrand, another one. is there one to count how many articels there is in total on the wiki or do i have to do that trou the sql table ?
[23:55:37] <Atlantiz>	TimLaqua, i have cpanel but can't find anything there
[23:55:53] <Atlantiz>	is there a particular place there I can look?
[23:56:08] <Atlantiz>	the standard error log just shows the old favicon.ico missing
[23:56:50] <Simetrical>	Atlantiz, look for "error logs".
[23:56:59] <Simetrical>	Atlantiz, that should include PHP errors too, I think.
[23:57:32] <Simetrical>	Atlantiz, also, you can enable display_errors in LocalSettings.php: <?php ini_set( 'display_errors', '1' ); error_reporting( E_ALL );
[23:57:37] <Duesentrieb>	tty1: "somehwere" on mediawiki.org. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning could be a place to start looking.
[23:57:59] <tty1>	Duesentrieb: ill check it out
[23:58:14] <Atlantiz>	Sun Sep  2 19:38:03 2007] [error] [client 212.146.55.218] File does not exist: /home/drescue/public_html/404.shtml
[23:58:14] <Atlantiz>	[Sun Sep  2 19:38:03 2007] [error] [client 212.146.55.218] File does not exist: /home/drescue/public_html/favicon.ico
[23:58:21] <Atlantiz>	always that same error