[00:02:43] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r29091 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/MessageGroups.php: Fix bugs introduced in previous commits (incorrect export format)
[00:12:14] <CIA-40>	03aaron * r29092 10/trunk/extensions/Makesysop/SpecialMakesysop_body.php: Fix double escaping...this caused "technical difficulties" errors to show on wikipedia
[00:12:55] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r29093 10/trunk/extensions/ (29 files in 28 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2007-12-31 0:35 CET)
[00:23:00] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r29094 10/trunk/extensions/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki
[00:53:26] <Neox>	spricht hier jemand deutsch?
[01:01:53] <qsheets>	Neox: Tut mir leid, ich spreche nur Englisch und spanisch
[01:02:37] <qsheets>	Ich hatte für die Nutzung von Google ^^
[01:04:51] <CIA-40>	03aaron * r29095 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ConfirmAccount.i18n.php: Tweak
[01:17:25] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Change project name for vo.wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12460 minor; normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (malafaya)
[01:20:35] <animum>	Is there a way per the API to return the id of the revision you're viewing?
[01:23:11] <Splarka>	animum: you mean, the top revision id# of the article you are viewing?
[01:23:22] <Splarka>	or the article id# of an arbitrary revision id# ?
[01:23:46] <animum>	The ID of the revision you're currently viewing
[01:23:53] <animum>	Be it the current revision or not
[01:24:05] <Skizzerz>	oh... uh
[01:24:07] <Splarka>	give an example of how you can you be viewing it if you don't already know it?
[01:24:29] <Splarka>	unless you refer to the top revision of a given page, eg: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=Main_Page&rvlimit=1
[01:24:32] <Skizzerz>	check for existance of oldid in the URL, and if it isn't there use Title::getLatestRevID
[01:25:27] <animum>	But the revision of an article you're viewing in a diff screen would be a part of the diff parameter, right? 
[01:25:44] <Skizzerz>	yes
[01:25:50] <animum>	So what if diff=prev
[01:25:53] <animum>	or diff=next?
[01:26:00] <Skizzerz>	it still uses oldid as the base
[01:26:07] <animum>	Could you use the API to solve these problems?
[01:26:14] <animum>	(and get the diff #)
[01:26:16] *Skizzerz 	isn't an expert on the API...
[01:26:21] <Splarka>	yes
[01:26:32] <Splarka>	probably with:
[01:26:33] <Splarka>	rvstartid      - from which revision id to start enumeration (enum)
[01:26:38] <Splarka>	rvdir          - direction of enumeration - towards "newer" or "older" revisions (enum)
[01:26:48] <animum>	ooo cool
[01:26:55] <animum>	Can I please have an example? :-)
[01:26:58] <Splarka>	you still need an oldid, as a base point, which you'd assign to the startid
[01:27:04] <animum>	yea
[01:27:05] <Splarka>	and then select a direction and limit
[01:27:21] <Splarka>	well, lesse...
[01:27:27] <Skizzerz>	animum: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Query_-_Revisions has some examples in it :)
[01:27:33] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=168691686
[01:27:34] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=next&oldid=168691686
[01:28:10] <animum>	splarka, examples of the API URL for the rvstartid?
[01:28:15] <animum>	(et al)
[01:28:19] <Splarka>	constructing, patience 
[01:28:19] *animum 	is an API n00b
[01:28:25] <animum>	sorry :-)
[01:28:37] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=Main%20Page&rvstartid=168691686&rvdir=newer&rvlimit=2
[01:28:56] <Splarka>	gives you <rev revid="168691704">
[01:29:06] <Splarka>	which is the next revision in the main page after <rev revid="168691686"
[01:29:51] <Splarka>	if you do something silly like...
[01:30:07] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=prev
[01:30:21] <Splarka>	then it only shows the top edit anyway, so you just use http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=Main_Page&rvlimit=1
[01:31:01] <Splarka>	animum: is that sufficient?
[01:31:10] <animum>	Ah - and diff=cur?
[01:31:29] <Splarka>	bah! why would anyone do that
[01:31:42] <Splarka>	the history page doesn't use that syntax anymore
[01:32:59] <Splarka>	besides
[01:33:14] <Splarka>	diff=cur would be the oldid= parameter, and the current, returnable by  http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=Main_Page&rvlimit=1
[01:33:33] <animum>	Thx :-)
[01:33:40] <Splarka>	if no oldid was specified, eg someone just did diff=0 or diff=cur...
[01:33:42] <Splarka>	then you'd, um..
[01:34:04] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=Main_Page&rvlimit=2
[01:34:20] <Morbus>	hrm.
[01:40:22] <Splarka>	hmm, 9 possible (sufficiently different) combinations of oldid and diff...
[01:46:02] <animum>	hrm
[01:48:37] <Splarka>	all are easy to find, except &diff=next with no oldid=
[01:49:51] <Splarka>	although it could just be the main page being messed up
[01:50:13] <Splarka>	yah, the enwp main page has some revisions out of order
[01:50:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) It' s not possible to overwrite CSS rules declared in other CSS files with a CSS gadget - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12461 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Gadgets; (apper)
[01:50:18] <Splarka>	hah
[01:52:54] <Splarka>	animum: http://p.defau.lt/?VEDRW1j0iRqQzlTgtkKrbw
[01:53:47] <Splarka>	should be all possibilities: oldid, oldid&diff=#, oldid&diff=next, oldid&diff=prev, oldid&diff=cur, diff=#, diff=prev, diff=next, diff=cur
[01:54:11] <animum>	Thanks! :-D
[01:54:18] <Splarka>	note that the top revision is the same as the method for diff=Prev, eg http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=PAGENAME&rvlimit=1
[01:54:28] <Splarka>	and also note, that coming soon, may be something to foul you up in this
[01:54:56] <Splarka>	FlaggedRevisions, which allows the top revision to be displayed as the last one verfied by a user, rather than the last one chronologically
[01:57:49] <Skizzerz>	yes, but then I'd assume there would be some method of getting the current flagged revision as well as the top chronological one
[01:58:43] *Skizzerz 	just patiently waits until the API stops become passive and actually allows you to do stuff
[01:59:00] <Splarka>	right, but I can't anticipate that
[01:59:04] <Splarka>	so I can't help them with it 
[02:29:24] <carl-m>	I noticed a strange behavior recently. 
[02:29:46] <carl-m>	This link works: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=fr:Main_page
[02:29:51] <carl-m>	this link does not: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=mw:Main_page
[02:30:51] <Skizzerz>	fr: is an interlanguage prefix, mw: is an interwiki prefix
[02:31:32] <Skizzerz>	there are slight variations on how the two work/are parsed/etc.
[02:31:36] <carl-m>	is there an important reason that they are treated differently in that way?
[02:31:45] <carl-m>	I think that both used to work
[02:32:17] <Skizzerz>	interlanguage prefixes generally stay within their own project, interwikis are used for linking to entirely different sites
[02:32:39] <carl-m>	yes.  just wondering if it was intentional
[02:32:53] <Skizzerz>	I don't know the answer to that :P
[02:33:07] <carl-m>	I'll file a bug; just checking first
[02:35:14] <Wiredtape>	carl-m, this probably has relevance to the way the interwiki table is setup.. (ie. o/1 for local/non-local and trans)
[02:36:28] <carl-m>	so I should file it as a wikimedia bug instead of a mediawiki bug? 
[02:36:55] <carl-m>	I would expect that both links should work (least surprise)
[02:37:27] *TimLaqua 	shrugs
[02:37:29] <TimLaqua>	i'd disagree
[02:37:42] <TimLaqua>	languages are not places.  they're links to the same project
[02:37:44] <TimLaqua>	sort of...
[02:38:10] <TimLaqua>	mw: is another project, while fr: is same project, different language
[02:38:21] <carl-m>	TimLaqua: both would work if input as links on a wiki page
[02:38:32] <carl-m>	and both work out of the search box
[02:38:38] <TimLaqua>	true enough
[02:38:55] <carl-m>	that's why I was surprised when only some stopped working when I type them on the URL bar
[02:39:57] <TimLaqua>	when did it stop working?
[02:40:26] <carl-m>	I can't say exactly
[02:40:46] <TimLaqua>	k.  then I guess id' have to agree w/ the bug.  ;-)
[02:41:06] <carl-m>	my main question is whether to file it under mediawiki, or under wikimedia
[02:41:48] <TimLaqua>	mediawiki would be fine.
[02:42:09] <Splarka>	"both would work if input as links on a wiki page", not in the same way though
[02:42:21] <carl-m>	Splarka: yes, but that difference is invisible to the user
[02:42:22] <TimLaqua>	someone will reclassify it if it can't be reproduced outside of the context you found the bug.
[02:42:22] <Splarka>	you have to colon-escape interlang links or they just add to the languages sidebar
[02:42:34] <Splarka>	invisible to the user = confusing?
[02:42:44] <Splarka>	[[fr:foo]] vs [[:fr:foo]] vs [[mw:foo]]
[02:43:00] <Splarka>	they are inherently different in that respect at least
[02:43:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use date format preference on unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  +comment (10voyagerfan5761)
[02:43:04] <carl-m>	true, there is that issue. But both links then link to the right place - neither gives an error message
[02:44:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) pages with interwiki prefixes cannot be passed directly to index.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12462 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (cbm)
[02:44:40] <Splarka>	it is also interesting to compare:
[02:44:40] <Splarka>	[[:fr:mw:foo]]
[02:44:40] <Splarka>	[[mw:fr:foo]]
[02:44:58] <TimLaqua>	yikes
[02:45:10] <Splarka>	you can make infinite redirect chains using languages
[02:45:12] <carl-m>	Splarka: apparently you can do routing with them
[02:45:15] <Splarka>	yes
[02:45:29] <Splarka>	it is not a bug, it is a feature
[02:45:47] <Splarka>	however, you cannot do routing with interwiki links
[02:46:01] <Splarka>	so, the behavior you're noticing may be intentional, to stop off-site routing
[02:46:05] <carl-m>	I didn't realize that, but it makes perfect sense
[02:46:20] <Splarka>	while on-site routing (or, on project anyways, in the sense of languages) is allowed
[02:46:33] <Splarka>	you'd have to query tim on that though
[02:46:38] <carl-m>	however, if there is only one colon in the title, then there is no routing 
[02:46:53] <Splarka>	right, the link is changed at the source
[02:47:07] <Splarka>	however, in order to link to a page in another language, on another project, the routing trick was required
[02:48:29] <Splarka>	say I want to link to my user page on fr.wikiversity from en.wikipedia: [[v:fr:User:Splarka]] works
[02:48:35] <carl-m>	which php file is responsible for this?
[02:49:30] <Splarka>	but [[:fr:v:User:Splarka]] doesn't, but at least one does, and the more normal (the interwiki first, then the lang, so the lang doesn't have to be escaped) indicates some intention
[02:49:43] *Splarka 	is arguing intelligent design behind this behavior
[02:50:02] <carl-m>	Splarka: typing 'fr:v:User:Splarka' into the search box gives a link that works
[02:50:10] <carl-m>	It goes to http://fr.wikiversity.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Splarka from enwiki
[02:50:33] <Splarka>	well, maybe the search is smarter?
[02:50:45] *Splarka 	shrugs
[02:50:54] <carl-m>	that's the issue - there is some redundant code
[02:50:56] <Splarka>	it seems like you used to be able to chain interwikis
[02:52:11] <carl-m>	actually, both of those work from the URL bar
[02:52:16] <Splarka>	http://wikia.com/wiki/uncyclopedia:wikia:uncyclopedia:foo
[02:52:21] <carl-m>	fr:v:Sparkla and v:fr:Sparkla
[02:53:32] <Splarka>	that's.. odd. it didn't a minute ago
[02:54:39] <carl-m>	they both work, but not wikia:Main_page
[02:54:53] <Splarka>	ahh
[02:55:27] <Splarka>	there are 3 things at work here
[02:55:33] <Splarka>	interlang, interwiki, and interproject
[02:55:50] <Splarka>	the interlangs are the language varients, eg fr: en: de:
[02:56:11] <Splarka>	the interprojects are the project prefixes, eg: w: v: s: q:
[02:56:32] <Splarka>	the interwiki are the rest: mw: meta: testwiki: wikia: and are listed: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Interwiki_map
[02:56:48] <carl-m>	I can't find "interproject" in the source code
[02:57:27] *Splarka 	shrugs
[02:57:41] <carl-m>	I pulled out Title.php to look for where this is coming from
[02:57:45] <Splarka>	anyway, they work like interlang, the interwiki don't
[02:58:20] <Splarka>	and create a nice 301
[03:20:00] <becks`>	hi, after upgrading to the newest mediawiki, i get a "Index.php" page when clicking "login", here's my htaccess and LocalSettings: http://rafb.net/p/AasmJe85.html
[03:20:50] <carl-m>	what is the right URL for the index page?
[03:22:00] <becks`>	index.php i think :)
[03:24:21] <qsheets>	becks`: the login page should be index.php/Special:Userlogin
[03:24:44] <becks`>	ah, it's index.php?title=Spezial:Anmelden&returnto=Hauptseite
[03:24:58] <qsheets>	that works too
[03:25:38] <becks`>	then it shows a new wiki page named "Index.php" (Diese Seite enthält momentan noch keinen Text)
[03:25:49] <qsheets>	link?
[03:26:26] <becks`>	http://veg-tv.info/index.php?title=Spezial:Anmelden&returnto=Hauptseite
[03:27:59] <qsheets>	becks`: apparently you have a rewrite script
[03:28:24] <becks`>	yes, the one in http://rafb.net/p/AasmJe85.html
[03:29:12] <qsheets>	one sec
[03:29:19] <becks`>	okay :)
[03:30:39] <qsheets>	you did it in the worse possible way
[03:31:27] <becks`>	why? it worked in 1.9.0 :)
[03:32:50] <qsheets>	you got lucky
[03:33:48] <qsheets>	... and $wgArticlePath has changed
[03:35:17] <Warpath>	Pinky, ? O_O
[03:36:09] <qsheets>	becks`: change your article path to this if you want to continue doing it that way... $wgArticlePath = "$wgScript?title=$1";
[03:36:26] <Warpath>	" this is Splarka " !! :D
[03:36:29] *Warpath 	hides
[03:36:35] <Skizzerz>	xD
[03:36:47] *Splarka 	kicks Warpath down a convenient pit
[03:37:04] <qsheets>	lol
[03:37:27] *Warpath 	falls crashing down...ouch O_o
[03:40:33] <qsheets>	becks`: just curious, do you have access to httpd.conf
[03:40:35] <qsheets>	???
[03:43:33] <becks`>	qsheets yes, and i just saw that there is another $wgArticlePath in localsettings which is $wgArticlePath = "/$1";
[03:43:52] <becks`>	i thought it's the best way for having the article names without /wiki/
[03:44:23] <qsheets>	becks`: having that /wiki/ in is greatly prefered
[03:44:37] <becks`>	i know.. but i don't like it ;)
[03:44:57] <qsheets>	w/e good luck
[03:49:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  pages with interwiki prefixes cannot be passed directly to index.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12462  (10cbm)
[04:02:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use date format preference on unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10tony1)
[04:07:43] *qsheets 	wonders if brion-away is actually away or can help one person??
[04:08:12] *brion-away 	depends
[04:08:50] *qsheets 	is having a problem with the Cite.php extension and the Special:Version Page
[04:09:11] <Skizzerz>	is it registering the extension credits properly? 
[04:09:20] <qsheets>	if cite is enabled, then Version is blank
[04:09:55] <brion-away>	qsheets: there used to be a number of problems with special:version code which have since been fixed
[04:10:01] <brion-away>	is this current dev trunk or an older release?
[04:10:19] <qsheets>	1.11.0 full release
[04:11:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use date format preference on unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10l8qjvx002)
[04:14:09] <qsheets>	... but it is the current release of Cite.php
[04:17:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  summary; +comment (10voyagerfan5761)
[04:18:36] <MZMcBride>	where is the rollback code stored?
[04:19:24] <brion-away>	qsheets: not at my dev machine sorry
[04:19:31] <qsheets>	kk
[04:19:57] <Splarka>	MZM: which bit?
[04:20:14] <checkers>	I'm trying to upload a PNG to my mediawiki install, but getting this error: `The file is corrupt or has an incorrect extension. Please check the file and upload again.` I've just saved the image from photoshop CS3, and I can't find anything else that detects an error, are there issues with photoshop pngs?
[04:20:47] <checkers>	it's  24bit with 8bit alpha
[04:20:56] <MZMcBride>	Splarka: i'm trying to see if werdna changed rollback so that it didn't have to have the ability to hide edits in RC
[04:21:01] <MZMcBride>	i'm pretty sure he did...
[04:21:08] <Splarka>	well
[04:21:16] <Splarka>	he split off the ability into a new user right
[04:21:29] <Splarka>	since giving regular users rollback would also give them the ability to use &bot=1 in the old code
[04:21:31] <Skizzerz>	'botrollback' IIRC
[04:21:54] <MZMcBride>	ah, that makes sense
[04:22:05] <checkers>	GIF and JPEG are both working fine
[04:22:19] <Skizzerz>	what version of mediawiki?
[04:22:32] <Splarka>	'markbotedits' Skizzerz
[04:22:45] <Skizzerz>	Splarka: yeah, that :P
[04:23:02] <MZMcBride>	there we go; thanks :)
[04:23:13] <Splarka>	MZM http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php?view=annotate
[04:24:20] <Skizzerz>	which reminds me...
[04:26:38] <CIA-40>	03shinjiman * r29096 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): 
[04:26:38] <CIA-40>	* Update Chinese translations
[04:26:38] <CIA-40>	* Update Cantonese translations
[04:26:38] <CIA-40>	* Update Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese translations
[04:26:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10l8qjvx002)
[04:27:17] <Skizzerz>	yay, the joy of your mediawiki being out of date two minutes after you update it >_>
[04:27:47] <Skizzerz>	meh, it's only a localisation update, no new features :P
[04:41:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10voyagerfan5761)
[04:43:06] <qsheets>	Splarka: should i release my extension on UTC New Year or EST New Year?
[04:52:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10tony1)
[04:52:01] <Splarka>	roll a D2
[04:58:32] <darkcode>	Skizzerz just write a bot to look for update messages and auto update ;)
[04:58:41] <Skizzerz>	meh
[04:59:03] <Skizzerz>	I just finished the grouppermissions manager (code-wise, still need to test it out)
[04:59:40] <MZMcBride>	Skizzerz: congrats
[04:59:51] <Warpath>	^_^
[05:00:07] <Warpath>	now Skizzerz  sell it to mediawiki XD XD
[05:00:10] <Skizzerz>	this should be amazingly fun to bugfix...
[05:00:23] <Skizzerz>	Warpath: I don't think it will ever become part of core
[05:01:36] <qsheets>	Splarka: ???
[05:01:42] <Skizzerz>	because it restricts where GroupPermissions can be defined if you want it to work properly, and it requires that a subdirectory of where the extension is stored be writable by the webserver
[05:01:45] <Splarka>	qsheets: flip a coin, if there are two choices ^_^
[05:02:01] *qsheets 	is getting a vote
[05:09:18] <^demon>	Anyone got a few minutes who can look at a pastebin and figure out why it says my variables don't exist?
[05:10:27] <twincest>	^demon: don't ask to ask, just ask
[05:11:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Edit section bug - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12459  (10michaeldaly)
[05:12:00] <^demon>	http://pastey.net/79826 - When I invoke $lang->setMessages('whatever'), I get undefinied variable whatever.
[05:14:01] <twincest>	what is $lang, and what is the complete error?
[05:14:38] <^demon>	$lang is the initialized class, this is a method within it. Everything else within the class works perfectly.
[05:14:50] <twincest>	okay, and the error?
[05:15:05] <^demon>	Notice:  Undefined variable: output in /www/kalopedia/test2/includes/Lang.php on line 64
[05:15:18] <^demon>	'output', 'search', whatever I pass to setMessages().
[05:15:27] <twincest>	is line 64 in your paste?  which is it?
[05:17:15] <^demon>	Line 64 is the same as line 13 in the paste.
[05:18:30] <twincest>	so ${$section} means 'the variable whose name is stored in $section', i.e. $output.  do you have a variable called $output?
[05:19:17] <^demon>	Yes.
[05:19:29] <twincest>	where?
[05:19:37] <twincest>	i mean, where is it set
[05:19:49] <^demon>	In the file being required()
[05:20:12] <^demon>	The variables are set, and it dynamically calls one of them based on what is passed.
[05:21:57] <twincest>	please paste an example of one of those files (trim the irrelevant messages if it's large)
[05:22:08] <eugo>	hmm ok can somebody give me general directions on how to produce a custom login.php that auths with the internal db, so basically, a login page with nothing but a login form
[05:22:47] <^demon>	Paste an example of the variable in the required file?
[05:23:40] <twincest>	the entire file, minus the irrelevant parts.  at least enough to see the structure
[05:23:49] <^demon>	Ok.
[05:24:20] <eugo>	i did copy the processLogin function from SpecialUserlogin.php, but how do i call it?
[05:24:46] <twincest>	^demon: alternatively: produce a minimal test case showing the problem
[05:27:36] <^demo1>	It's basically a collection of arrays, here's the paste of a sample.
[05:27:37] <^demo1>	http://pastey.net/79828
[05:28:39] <^demon>	And I want to call one of them based on what is passed to this method.
[05:30:14] <twincest>	^demon: is it possible that you already included this file for a different set of messages, which causes require_once to ignore it on the second call?
[05:30:31] <^demon>	...that might be it.
[05:30:34] <^demon>	Let me try that.
[05:31:56] <^demon>	You are a gentleman and a scholar.
[05:32:04] <^demon>	Thank you so much.
[05:33:39] <twincest>	i wish HTML had a <form> element which was a textbox combined with a drop-down (like you see in GUI programs)
[05:34:19] <^demon>	I've seen it done with Javascript hacks, but it would be nice by default.
[05:36:39] <Splarka>	mmm, combo
[05:37:35] <Splarka>	you could probably do it with css trickily, using an :active z-order and slight overlap
[05:37:41] <Splarka>	z-index even
[05:51:18] <twincest>	Splarka: but i don't think you could allow selecting an existing value then editing it with pure css
[05:51:25] <twincest>	(requiring js is lame :( )
[05:51:42] <Splarka>	well, true
[05:52:35] <Splarka>	JS should only ever be an enhancement
[05:53:03] <Splarka>	eg, have an inputbox, and make a totally optional dropdown list of predefined defaults
[05:54:52] <twincest>	i was thinking about the edit counter project list, a user might like to type 'zh.' and select the rest from a list
[05:55:05] <twincest>	which of course could be done with optional JS, except that then non-JS users would have no drop-down at all
[05:55:24] <twincest>	maybe it could use s <select> by default, but replace it if JS is enabled..
[05:55:30] <Splarka>	well, for something like that, you'd go the reverse way
[05:55:30] <Splarka>	yah
[05:55:40] <Splarka>	have a dropdown, and an optional indexOf filter
[05:55:45] <Splarka>	in a text input
[05:56:16] <Splarka>	all depends on priority
[05:57:00] <Splarka>	there'd be cases where a JS combobox would have to js-free degrade gracefully to an <input type="text">, others where it'd have to be a <select>, and some cases where you'd have to have both
[05:57:28] <Splarka>	say, for the duration on block messages
[06:00:21] <chuck>	hi, mediawiki is making new image upload directories with permissions 700, so the webserver is having trouble accessing the uploaded image
[06:00:25] <chuck>	is there a way to fix this?
[06:00:49] <twincest>	chuck: in your LocalSettings.php, write this: umask("022");
[06:00:58] <twincest>	sorry, umask(022);
[06:03:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10l8qjvx002)
[06:05:29] <jbaby445>	does anyone know where to get help with my hermes htc
[06:06:52] <MZMcBride>	hermes htc?
[06:07:06] <chuck>	twincest: thanks a ton, it works perfectly now
[06:07:06] <jbaby445>	yea
[06:07:54] <jbaby445>	i just tried flashing a new rom and now it wont get passed the initial windows mobile screen when i turn it on
[06:08:29] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Please enable email notification on en arbcom wiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12457  +comment (10brion)
[06:09:55] <MZMcBride>	jbaby445: well, this channel is for help with the MediaWiki software...
[06:15:13] <chuck>	now, what is a recommended way of farming mediawiki?
[06:16:13] <Splarka>	twincest: insane but viable idea, you could do it without javascript, using the browser's formhistory
[06:16:22] <MZMcBride>	!farm | chuck 
[06:16:22] --mwbot--	chuck : To run multiple wikis, you do not need anything more than to run one wiki. You simply install them in different folders, and if possible using seperate databases. If you only have one database, simply use a different table prefix. For more advanced setups, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family>
[06:16:48] <Splarka>	if for some reason they'd at some point entered all those language variant combinations into a form with the same name, then they'd see them in a dropdown (in firefox for example) when typing in a prefix
[06:17:16] <Splarka>	now you'd just have to find a way to get them to prefill their form history <3
[06:18:04] <Splarka>	<sub>futile exercise in speculation</sub>
[06:23:18] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Please enable email notification on en arbcom wiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12457  +comment (10FT2.wiki)
[06:58:44] <qsheets>	how do i get $IP in the form of a URI
[06:59:33] <twincest>	$IP might not be web-accessible, so that's probably a bad idea
[06:59:40] <twincest>	what are you trying to do?
[07:00:05] <qsheets>	There's your sign
[07:00:13] <qsheets>	<(^^,)>
[07:00:20] <qsheets>	get $IP in the form of a URI
[07:00:42] <qsheets>	then it will be web-accessible
[07:01:50] <twincest>	not if it's not in the web server document root
[07:02:21] <qsheets>	do you not get it??
[07:04:06] <qsheets>	nvm... I'll make the installer person enter that in
[07:07:17] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r29097 10/trunk/phase3/languages/ (Names.php messages/MessagesSrn.php): Add srn/Sranan Tongo
[07:10:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Blocking-Bug - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12454  (10wiki)
[07:15:54] <mfranklin>	Hey, can someone help me set up a <META NAME="ROBOTS" CONTENT="NOINDEX"> tag on every single page in my wiki ?
[07:16:21] <mfranklin>	I have read http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Header_Footer    but it is too confusing and it doesn't look like what I need
[07:17:21] <mfranklin>	???
[07:18:01] <Splarka>	why not disallow all in robots.txt ?
[07:18:34] <Splarka>	User-agent: *
[07:18:35] <Splarka>	Disallow: /
[07:18:58] <mfranklin>	I have done that, but when I test the robots.txt file in google, and I feed it an address in the wiki, it says "Not in domain" meaning the wiki part of the domain is not considered part of the domain by google... but Yahoo is indexing it
[07:19:14] <mfranklin>	So I want that tag built into the header of each page. Surely this is easily possible? 
[07:19:19] <Splarka>	heh, yahoo sucks
[07:19:27] <mfranklin>	Surely META tags are easily adjusted in mediawiki?
[07:20:13] <Splarka>	hmm
[07:20:37] <mfranklin>	Look there's a chance now that I've put the disallow in the robots.txt that yahoo will behave, but since the wiki is not part of the root domain, and is instead a subfolder in the website i.e. www.example.com/mywiki I'd prefer to put META tags everywhere
[07:20:54] <Splarka>	$wgNamespaceRobotPolicies in your settings should do that I think
[07:21:25] <mfranklin>	a search for "robots" in LocalSettings.php finds nothing
[07:22:10] <Splarka>	remove the s
[07:22:25] <Splarka>	in DefaultSettings.php on the svn:
[07:22:26] <mfranklin>	still
[07:22:29] <mfranklin>	oh
[07:22:33] <Splarka>	/**
[07:22:33] <Splarka>	 * Robot policies per namespaces.
[07:22:33] <Splarka>	 * The default policy is 'index,follow', the array is made of namespace
[07:22:33] <Splarka>	 * constants as defined in includes/Defines.php
[07:22:33] <Splarka>	 * Example:
[07:22:33] <Splarka>	 *   $wgNamespaceRobotPolicies = array( NS_TALK => 'noindex' );
[07:22:35] <mfranklin>	I'll check DefaultSettings.php
[07:22:36] <Splarka>	 */
[07:22:37] <Splarka>	$wgNamespaceRobotPolicies = array();
[07:22:39] <Splarka>	oop, spammy
[07:23:09] <mfranklin>	hehe Don't paste text to the channel, use http://rafb.net/paste/ 
[07:23:22] <Splarka>	I mean, the default is for most actions of pages on a wiki to be noindex and no follow
[07:23:30] <mfranklin>	hmm.. looking for DefaultSettings.php,can't find it yet
[07:23:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10tony1)
[07:23:53] <Splarka>	what version?
[07:24:58] <mfranklin>	hmm I'll have to look.
[07:25:08] <mfranklin>	(not sure where to look :)
[07:25:31] <Splarka>	Special:Version
[07:25:40] <mfranklin>	I don't find $wgNamepsaceRobotPolicies (or "Robot") in includes/Defines.php
[07:26:11] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=14559
[07:26:13] <mfranklin>	MediaWiki: 1.6.9 
[07:26:18] <Splarka>	was added 18 months ago
[07:26:22] <Splarka>	ahh, that's an older version
[07:26:35] <mfranklin>	yeah
[07:26:42] <Splarka>	upgrade or hack it ^_^
[07:26:51] <mfranklin>	and I don't want to upgrade because I only have ...
[07:26:52] <mfranklin>	PHP: 4.4.1 (apache) 
[07:26:52] <mfranklin>	MySQL: 4.0.16 
[07:27:01] <Splarka>	eg, find in the code where it decides to set that meta tag, and then make it always set that meta tag
[07:27:10] <Splarka>	well, what revision of 1.6.9 are you on? 
[07:27:31] <mfranklin>	what "revision" ? I don't know
[07:27:48] <mfranklin>	the install file is mediawiki-1.6.9.tar
[07:28:11] <mfranklin>	okay, as per your advice I will try the hack
[07:28:14] <Splarka>	* #  MediaWiki: 1.6.9 (r#####) 
[07:28:31] <Splarka>	does it have a long r-number after the version?
[07:28:40] <mfranklin>	nope
[07:28:48] <mfranklin>	I copy and pasted it from the special:version page
[07:28:54] <mfranklin>	MediaWiki: 1.6.9 
[07:29:09] <mfranklin>	I downloaded 1.6.9 after 1.7 had been released
[07:29:51] <mfranklin>	here's the interesting part, the mainpage has "<meta name="robots" content="noindex,follow" />"
[07:30:09] <mfranklin>	no wait
[07:30:15] <mfranklin>	that's wrong. sorry the special page had that
[07:31:00] <mfranklin>	hmm now I think hacking wont' be so easy
[07:33:08] <mfranklin>	Splarka> Damn it, the revision that allows wgNamespaceRobotPolicies was only hadded past my version. 
[07:33:36] <Splarka>	heh
[07:33:55] <Splarka>	mfranklin, how about going to Article.php and finding  $wgOut->setRobotpolicy( 'index,follow' );
[07:33:59] <Splarka>	and well, hacking that bit
[07:35:17] <mfranklin>	That should do it: )
[07:35:19] <mfranklin>	Thanks!
[07:36:47] <Splarka>	"enjoy", as bri-on might say
[07:40:25] <mfranklin>	Cool, it worked!
[07:40:34] <mfranklin>	Thanks a lot dude, that's one thing off my to-do-list 
[07:40:37] <mfranklin>	Have a Happy New Year
[07:40:44] <Splarka>	that was fun, what's next?
[07:41:00] <mfranklin>	What's next? Help me hack wikipedia and ban all the deletionists :D
[07:41:02] <mfranklin>	;)
[07:41:43] <mfranklin>	and the rouge admins
[07:41:54] <Splarka>	take away their red powder
[07:42:03] <domas>	=)
[07:42:10] *domas 	sets godmode bit on mfranklin 
[07:42:15] <mfranklin>	hehe
[07:43:14] <Splarka>	all mediawiki admin actions should be controlled by a Doom daemon interface
[07:43:42] <mfranklin>	eh? So what you need the BFG to do anything?
[07:43:49] <Splarka>	stewards get BFGs, bureaucrats get rocket launchers, admin get shotguns, users get fists, vandals get nuthin
[07:44:00] <Splarka>	editors get to stay out of the way
[07:44:02] <mfranklin>	Hmmm
[07:44:32] <mfranklin>	sounds like a plan
[07:44:56] <mfranklin>	RDSPOSPOPD (walk through walls, I think)
[07:45:28] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDSPISPOPD
[07:45:45] <mfranklin>	lol
[07:47:15] <mfranklin>	One redirect that surprised me was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AidepikiW
[07:47:22] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Please enable email notification on en arbcom wiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12457  +comment (10brion)
[07:47:26] <mfranklin>	One redirect that surprised me was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aidepikiw
[07:47:32] <domas>	and no IDDQD
[07:47:40] <domas>	for mee
[07:47:43] <Splarka>	{{sofixit}}
[07:47:50] <domas>	IDDQD+IDKFA = domasmode
[07:48:04] <domas>	bwhahaha
[07:48:20] <mfranklin>	darn... looks like the deletionists took aidepikiw away :(.
[07:48:42] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Aidepikiw
[07:49:07] <mfranklin>	only recently, too
[07:49:24] <mfranklin>	I suppose I can see their point on this one
[07:49:43] <mfranklin>	I mean, it was taking up 0.000000000000000000000000000000000001% of their diskspace
[07:49:58] <Splarka>	it is taking up more space, now
[07:50:02] <Splarka>	but less bandwidth
[07:50:07] <mfranklin>	ah yes
[07:50:28] <mfranklin>	"patent nonsense"
[07:50:36] <mfranklin>	it isn't patent nonsense, but close enough
[07:56:15] <mfranklin>	If they had to allow backward keywords for "Wikipedia" they would then have to allow them for all keywords, and that would be stupid. 
[07:57:06] <Splarka>	well, unless there was a good reason
[07:57:12] <mfranklin>	Yeah
[07:57:27] <Splarka>	like a media outlet mentioning a Wikipedia "mirror" meme linking to that page on enwp
[07:57:31] <Splarka>	or something equally silly
[07:57:35] <mfranklin>	hehe
[08:03:08] <CIA-40>	03shinjiman * r29098 10/trunk/tools/planet/ (8 files in 8 dirs): +fr planet link
[08:05:23] <CIA-40>	03grondin * r29099 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[08:05:23] <CIA-40>	Fix a bug on MySql requests
[08:05:23] <CIA-40>	* create a wrong column in TABLE account_credentials acd_id i/o acr_id
[08:05:23] <CIA-40>	* fix a syntax error in creation TABLE account_credentials
[08:05:23] <CIA-40>	Fix french messages
[08:05:38] <CIA-40>	03huji * r29100 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Added Persian translations
[08:05:56] <qsheets>	enough yet?
[08:07:05] <qsheets>	so... Who want's a preview at IRC Chat Version 2.01
[08:07:11] <qsheets>	?????
[08:19:00] <mfranklin>	err?
[08:19:10] <qsheets>	??
[08:22:19] <mfranklin>	Since when did IRC have a version? I'm using mIRC v6.21
[08:31:45] <qsheets>	mfranklin: extension
[08:32:09] <qsheets>	"IRC Chat" = name of extension
[08:32:12] <mfranklin>	:P
[08:32:23] <qsheets>	<(^^,)>
[08:32:47] <mfranklin>	I er, knew that. ... Was just testing you.
[08:32:59] <mfranklin>	you're ligit :)
[08:33:00] <qsheets>	yeah, sure
[08:35:20] <mfranklin>	well, I'm off, Splarka, thanks again :D
[08:42:42] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r29101 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/messages.inc: Add 'userrights-groupsremovable'
[08:53:46] <CIA-40>	03nikerabbit * r29102 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (SpecialMagic.php SpecialTranslationChanges.php): * Fixed a bug in translationchanges and a export bug in magic
[08:56:25] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r29103 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (18 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2007-12-31 9:36 CET)
[09:20:08] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r29104 10/trunk/extensions/ (39 files in 37 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2007-12-31 9:36 CET)
[09:28:07] <CIA-40>	03aaron * r29105 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ (3 files): Add $wgConfirmAccountContact. Send email here if set when people confirm their email address (based on patch by schweny)
[09:31:29] <CIA-40>	03aaron * r29106 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ConfirmAccount.i18n.php: typo
[09:52:29] <Hideous>	Hello?
[09:54:15] <Hojjat>	hi
[09:54:40] <Hideousno2>	I'm having a bit of trouble with session handling on my part >_>
[09:54:50] <Hojjat>	let's see if I can help
[09:55:25] <CIA-40>	03nikerabbit * r29107 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/MessageGroups.php: * Append newline to extension export
[09:56:12] <Nikerabbit>	fact of the day: in the terms of characters, mediawikis is half php code and half i18n :)
[09:56:30] <Hideousno2>	Okay, so I keep getting logged out of my account, on my newly established wiki
[09:56:36] <Hojjat>	Nikerabbit: not sure if it is half-to-half1
[09:57:03] <Hojjat>	Hideousno2 can you post the URL to me (in private if you like)
[09:57:13] <Nikerabbit>	Hojjat: it is, I just measured (including the extensions) :D
[09:57:27] <Hideousno2>	Right
[09:57:41] <Hojjat>	Nikerabbit: well I thought (or hoped?) the lion share is for i18n
[09:57:42] <Hideousno2>	Not very used to IRC - How do I send a private message >_>
[09:57:56] <Hojjat>	nikerabbit: or it will become, as soon as other lanugages are added for all extensions
[09:58:10] <Hojjat>	Hideousno2: type this: /query Hojjat
[09:58:14] <Hojjat>	then paste there
[09:58:22] <Hojjat>	(in the new window/tab that opens)
[09:58:38] <Nikerabbit>	325065 characters = 1185853 words = 9823274 lines of php code vs. 310620 characters = 1845740 words = 19469053 lines of i18n stuff
[09:58:45] <Hojjat>	Hojjat: okay got it
[09:59:27] <Hojjat>	Nikerabbit: you see, i18n has more lines1
[09:59:29] <Hojjat>	:p
[09:59:33] <Nikerabbit>	double :D
[09:59:52] <Nikerabbit>	but characters are more reliable :)
[10:00:09] <madness_>	right click on that users name I think...
[10:00:17] <madness_>	it depends which irc client your using
[10:00:25] <Hojjat>	Hideousno2: okay I'm at your wiki now
[10:00:28] <Hideousno2>	Okay
[10:01:31] <Hojjat>	yeah, it logs you off!
[10:01:46] <Hideousno2>	Or if it doesn't
[10:01:55] <Hideousno2>	You can't edit anything
[10:02:02] <Hideousno2>	Because of a loss of session data
[10:03:05] <Hojjat>	well, I compared the cookies to that of some other wikis I'm logged to
[10:03:16] <Hojjat>	apparently, an item named wikiToken is missing
[10:03:16] <Hideousno2>	Yeah?
[10:03:23] <Hideousno2>	Hm
[10:03:39] <Hojjat>	in your settings, it will be named wikibaseToken, I guess
[10:03:53] <Hojjat>	but I can't tell what the problem exactly is
[10:04:11] <Hojjat>	This may be a PHP issue (like no suport of sessions on your server or something)
[10:04:24] <Hideousno2>	I'm guessing on that
[10:04:39] <Hojjat>	I think it'd be a good idea to run a phpinfo on your server
[10:04:41] <Hojjat>	you know how, don't you?
[10:04:48] <Hideousno2>	Not at all :)
[10:05:52] <Hojjat>	Create a file in your web server root, name it something.php
[10:06:21] <Hojjat>	edit it (with a text editor) and make sure the only content of the file is this:   <?php phpinfo(); ?>
[10:06:40] <Hojjat>	save it, then browse it in your browser (http://domain.com/something.php)
[10:06:58] <Hojjat>	see if sessions are enabled for you
[10:07:51] <Hideousno2>	Okay, will do
[10:09:36] <Hojjat>	Hideousno2: I have to go now. With that information, another person can help you tackle the problem too. Good luck
[10:09:53] <Hideousno2>	Okay, thanks
[10:12:09] <Hideousno2>	Anyone else here? It seems that session support IS enabled for me.
[10:15:07] <Hideousno2>	It seems my session.cookie_lifetime is set to 0 in both master and local - Is it supposed to be like that?
[10:18:36] <Hideousno2>	Okay, so am I the only one online >_>
[10:24:43] <Hideousno2>	heeeelp D:
[10:27:47] <JSharp>	someone having session problems?
[10:31:29] <CIA-40>	03nikerabbit * r29109 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/TranslatePage.php: * Fix 'all in this page' condition
[10:37:05] <Hideousno2>	Oh finally :P
[10:37:11] <Hideousno2>	Jsharp
[10:37:13] <Hideousno2>	Yes
[10:37:50] <Hideousno2>	I'm having problems with sessions on my wiki, but another wiki on the same server has no problems
[10:38:00] <JSharp>	ah, I see
[10:38:27] <Hideousno2>	So I keep getting logged out
[10:39:23] <JSharp>	mmm, can you pastie logs of your webserver for the broken mediawiki install?
[10:39:39] <Hideousno2>	Uh
[10:39:46] <Hideousno2>	How? >_> I'm kind of new to this
[10:40:09] <JSharp>	ah, what httpd are you running? apache?
[10:40:28] <Hideousno2>	I believe so
[10:40:30] <Hideousno2>	Lemme check
[10:40:39] <Hideousno2>	well
[10:40:56] <Hideousno2>	_SERVER["SERVER_SOFTWARE"] is Apache/2.2.4 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.2.3-1ubuntu6.2
[10:41:35] <JSharp>	mmm
[10:42:15] <JSharp>	and your session.save_path ?
[10:42:55] <Hideousno2>	It's /var/lib/php5
[10:43:13] <JSharp>	okay, is that path writable by your httpd?
[10:43:34] <Hideousno2>	... And how would I figure that out?
[10:43:44] <Hideousno2>	(I feel like a complete moron)
[10:43:57] <JSharp>	hmm, do you have command-line access for your server
[10:44:50] <Hideousno2>	I have absolutely no idea
[10:45:13] <JSharp>	hmm, then probably not
[10:45:27] <JSharp>	how did you install mediawiki then?
[10:45:53] <Hideousno2>	Uploaded via FTP
[10:45:58] <Hideousno2>	Ran the install script
[10:46:03] <JSharp>	ah, I see
[10:48:25] <Hideousno2>	Kind of running out of ideas here
[10:50:14] <JSharp>	well, without shell access it's hard to debug
[10:50:33] <Hideousno2>	Hmm
[10:51:39] <Splarka>	does anonymous editing work? what is the session.save_path of another wiki on the server that does work?
[10:52:06] <Splarka>	have you paid your sanity tax lately?
[10:53:22] <Hideousno2>	Anonymous editing does work
[10:53:36] <Hideousno2>	I have no idea what the other wikis path is
[10:53:43] <Hideousno2>	And what the hell, sanity tax?
[10:56:25] *qsheets 	and Bot245 (some channels) will be back up by 6:30 am EST (11:30 am UTC)
[10:57:15] <Hideousno2>	Splarka?
[10:57:30] <Splarka>	just a passing possibility
[10:59:01] <Hideousno2>	I'm really just clueless here
[11:01:03] <madness_>	Hideousno2: do you have cpanel?
[11:02:28] <madness_>	Ignore my question, I thought it would help, but my idea wouldn't work out!
[11:14:00] <Hideousno2>	I think I might check if forums and such on the same host are working
[11:17:28] <Splarka>	kloeri: dot ^_^
[11:18:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Edit section bug - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12459  (10roan.kattouw)
[11:18:43] <madness_>	it could be a problem with a particular server, this only applies if the host has multiple servers!
[11:20:06] <Hideousno2>	Ok, so all the MySQL using stuff on the server are having MySQL problems, so I can't check what's happening
[11:20:41] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID)  pages with interwiki prefixes cannot be passed directly to index.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12462  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[11:22:20] <Hideousno2>	Madness_: What do you mean? Or is that even referring to my problem?
[11:22:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page listed under incorrect namespace in watchlist editor - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12463  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[11:23:48] <madness_>	Well if you have a very large host and decide to test someone elses forum or wiki, their forum or wiki could be on another server owned by that host.
[11:25:41] <Hideousno2>	I don't think so
[11:25:49] <Hideousno2>	It's a friends server
[11:26:41] <Hideousno2>	It's at illemonati.com if you wanna take a look
[11:26:53] <Hideousno2>	the working wiki is wiki.illemonati.com
[11:27:06] <Hideousno2>	Mine is at hideous.illemonati.com/wiki
[11:27:19] <Hideousno2>	From what I remember he only has one server.
[11:27:59] <twincest>	i suggest asking your friend for support, tell him that your php sessions are not working
[11:28:05] <twincest>	it's most likely a server configuration problem
[11:28:41] <CIA-40>	03rotem * r29110 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Update; please keep the same messages order in messages.inc and MessagesEn.php.
[11:35:34] <Hideousno2>	I'll have to wait for him to come online then.
[11:42:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page listed under incorrect namespace in watchlist editor - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12463  (10huji.huji)
[11:42:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Page listed under incorrect namespace in watchlist editor - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12463 normal; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (huji.huji)
[11:42:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add [[Special:History/Page]] and [[Special:Edit/Page]] as functional internal wiki links - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11456  +comment (10webboy)
[11:56:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add [[Special:History/Page]] and [[Special:Edit/Page]] as functional internal wiki links - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11456  (10magnusrk+wiki)
[12:04:55] <Dashiva>	Is there a way to do a null edit in a single page load? (As opposed to edit page + submit page)
[12:06:11] <Splarka>	&action=purge or waiting for job queue not enough?
[12:07:21] <Dashiva>	purge is pretty useless, and the job queue is way too slow (on this particular wiki, at least)
[12:07:39] <Splarka>	you could do an ajax post...
[12:07:47] <Dashiva>	That's what I'm trying to avoid :)
[12:08:17] <Splarka>	or possibly fake an anonymous null edit (the edittoken is static for anon, and the starttime/edittime might be fakeable...
[12:08:25] <Dashiva>	Hmm
[12:08:48] <Splarka>	would still require a method=post though
[12:10:12] <Dashiva>	I made a separate action=null on my private wiki, but I doubt I'll get that into the trunk :P
[12:10:27] <domas>	&amp;action=... \o/
[12:10:47] *Splarka 	swats domas
[12:10:52] <VasilievVV>	Dashiva: you may make it an extension
[12:12:49] <Splarka>	Dash: does it operate the same as action=purge? requiring a separate POST if the user is anon?
[12:13:36] <domas>	apparently I broke some broken code by blocking it
[12:13:37] <domas>	:)
[12:14:51] <Dashiva>	Splarka: Was only accessible to sysops
[12:15:29] <Dashiva>	The purpose is to cause link tables to rebuild and all that other stuff purge doesn't do, so I didn't want it available to random (ab)use
[12:20:11] <Splarka>	Dashiva: ahh, also, one needs to submit the same page contents to create a null edit...
[12:20:19] <Dashiva>	Yes
[12:20:28] <Splarka>	so, no, requires hack or ajax, or bot
[12:21:01] <Dashiva>	Suppose an extension hooked on AlternateEdit could work
[12:32:02] <Splarka>	Dashiva: you should submit a bugzilla request (something like "allow blind GET method null edits akin to action=purge"), and better yet, a patch to go along with it. And you could make it parallel to purge with a bit more security to prevent abuse (POST for anon, throttle). And you could have it integrate with the job queue (eg, remove the page from the queue if it was on it, (probably not efficient ^_^))
[12:33:06] <domas>	mmmm
[12:33:17] <domas>	can anyone think of why stripping cache-control headers is bad idea? :)
[12:33:22] <domas>	probably noone.
[12:33:23] <domas>	good.
[12:33:45] <Dashiva>	I'm not entirely into the job queue, but I'm a bit sceptical. One case is a four-deep nested page inclusion, and I don't know how long the job queue will take to reach the outermost
[12:35:04] <Splarka>	I don't think the job queue is 100%...
[12:35:23] <Splarka>	I don't think, for example, it updates images in templates that are transcluded via a redirect
[12:36:38] <Splarka>	eg, if you have [[Image:Foo.jpg]] in Template:Foo which has a #redirect:[[Template:Foo]] to it at Template:FOO, then the pages with {{FOO}} might not notice if you exchange it with Image:Foo.svg, (last time I tried anyhow)
[12:36:55] <Dashiva>	Yah
[12:37:29] <Dashiva>	For the purposes of efficiency, it might well be slower to scan the queue to remove an item than to actually perform the item in duplicate
[12:37:51] <Splarka>	prolly
[12:39:04] <domas>	well, queue is indexed, I guess
[12:51:23] <qsheets>	there goes our server
[13:02:34] <CIA-40>	03grondin * r29111 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesPt.php: Localisation updates for extensions from Betawiki (2007-12-31 12:59 UTC)
[13:10:04] <SPQRobin>	In revision 28650 the permission "userrights-interwiki" has been added. I don't know if this is the intention, but it is not added to the rights in DefaultSettings.php.
[13:10:06] <SPQRobin>	Could someone with commit access add this? (maybe commented out because it should not be activated by default)
[13:11:13] <domas>	thats because interwiki doesn't happen too often in regular world %)
[13:12:18] <SPQRobin>	I would add it because then MediaWiki users know the right exists
[13:15:04] <domas>	file a bug!
[13:15:25] <SPQRobin>	pff :-S
[13:15:36] <SPQRobin>	in that case...
[13:15:43] <domas>	what?
[13:16:07] <domas>	why is everyone so pushy about that 'now' thing
[13:16:19] <SPQRobin>	I just report this, but I don't want to file a bug
[13:16:27] <MinuteElectron>	why not?
[13:17:56] <SPQRobin>	I don't know, I thought this was a simple thing
[13:19:11] <domas>	indeed
[13:19:22] <domas>	thats why it can be picked up by people emptying bugs queue
[13:19:23] <domas>	:)
[13:19:49] <domas>	well, at least I'm doing no more work for wikipedia this year.
[13:20:02] <domas>	maybe it would be safe to revoke my keys 
[13:20:09] <domas>	but... well... there's nobody else to do that for me ;-)
[13:20:27] <domas>	sad, eh?
[13:23:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) The right "userrights-interwiki" is missing in DefaultSettings.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12464 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (robin_1273)
[13:23:22] <SPQRobin>	ok, bug added
[13:23:43] <domas>	\o/
[13:23:45] <domas>	thankyou!
[13:23:54] <domas>	yawn.
[13:23:57] <domas>	I lack sleep.
[13:24:02] <domas>	and crazy night ahead
[13:25:35] <checkers>	is it possible to make mediawiki internal links use unescaped characters?
[13:25:46] <domas>	unescaped characters?
[13:25:57] <domas>	as in, not use %.. ?
[13:25:58] <domas>	or what?
[13:26:23] <domas>	use a browser that unescapes them for you
[13:26:27] <domas>	safari \o/
[13:27:31] <checkers>	yeah, I meant that
[13:28:07] <domas>	are they encoded now? 
[13:28:11] <domas>	heee, never noticed
[13:28:38] <checkers>	I guess you and the 550 daily page requests from safari browsers are lucky then :P
[13:28:50] <checkers>	for the rest of us.... ;-)
[13:29:06] <domas>	mhm :)
[13:30:12] <domas>	well
[13:30:16] <domas>	you can hack Title::escapeLocalURL()
[13:30:43] <domas>	to escape just & 
[13:30:51] <domas>	and maybe few other control chars
[13:31:35] <checkers>	the best solution is to implement it on the client side though tbh
[13:31:49] <checkers>	it will screw up my reporting if random ? and & start appearing in my urls :p
[13:34:32] <MinuteElectron>	domas: No more work this year? You mean, you won't be doing any work for wikipedia in the next <14 hours, or do you mean all of 2008?
[13:35:23] <twincest>	i don't think this year is 2008 in europe
[13:35:33] <domas>	MinuteElectron: next 9 hours
[13:35:45] <domas>	but I consider 2008 too  :)))
[13:35:55] <domas>	there's nothing useful I can do :(
[13:36:00] <domas>	people start writing efficient code
[13:36:14] <domas>	load doesn't rise
[13:36:24] <domas>	etc
[13:36:25] <domas>	;-)
[13:36:25] <Forrester>	hey. could someone help me? we at de.wikipedia.org blocked the fileupload for new accounts (>4 days registered). Will mediawiki show those guys [[MediaWiki:Uploadnologintext]] if they try to upload a file?
[13:36:40] <MinuteElectron>	domas: :D
[13:36:42] <domas>	Forrester: did you try?
[13:36:56] <Forrester>	domas: i did not create a new account...no
[13:37:18] <MinuteElectron>	twincest: It isn't...
[13:37:18] <domas>	well, so try it :)
[13:37:32] <Forrester>	lol
[13:37:35] <Forrester>	k
[13:37:42] <Forrester>	just did not want to creata a new aaccount.....
[13:45:04] <CIA-40>	03mkroetzsch * r29112 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_SQLStore.php: Use makeTitle instead of newFromText where possible.
[13:45:28] *Morbus 	wanders in. 
[13:45:30] <Morbus>	g'day.
[13:46:41] <CIA-40>	03mkroetzsch * r29113 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_DV_WikiPage.php: Add query results to LinkCache directly if their (non-)existence is known to SMW.
[14:17:50] <CIA-40>	03mkroetzsch * r29114 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (SMW_QP_List.php SMW_QP_Template.php): Use "number=" syntax for ordered template parameters, more robust than omitting = completely
[14:19:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10voyagerfan5761)
[14:20:22] <CIA-40>	03mkroetzsch * r29115 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_Settings.php: 
[14:20:22] <CIA-40>	Modified default setting: link all pages that appear in query results (these links add almost no load to
[14:20:22] <CIA-40>	MedaiWiki since SMW pre-fills the LinkCache now)
[14:22:55] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Template parameters and constants do not work inside semantic queries - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11442  +comment (10mak)
[14:26:44] <deltaray2>	CURRENTWEEK is returning 1 today.  That's not right, it should be 53.
[14:26:58] <Morbus>	yeah, i've been seein that a lot.
[14:27:05] <Morbus>	the six weeks thing is affecting other apps too.
[14:27:39] <Morbus>	i've yet to be able to trace it down to php version or toolkit though.
[14:27:53] <Morbus>	as i've asked a few others, and they can't reproduce.
[14:28:17] <deltaray2>	six weeks?  What's that?
[14:28:24] <Morbus>	six weeks in december, not 5.
[14:28:34] <Morbus>	it's an oddity.
[14:29:07] <Morbus>	i've seen it manifest in one particular apps as showing a calendar of december only going to the 30th.
[14:29:39] <deltaray2>	Its a PHP problem.  That's rediculous.
[14:30:06] <Morbus>	well, it's possible - another person with the same calendar on a different server couldn't reproduce it.
[14:30:19] <Morbus>	i was unable to get any further stats from him, and in a day or so, I won't much care ;)
[14:31:01] <LordAnubis>	hello there, anyone knows how i can change the top left logo on my wiki ?? is it something in mediawiki:common.css or something ?
[14:31:11] <Morbus>	see the FAQ, LordAnubis.
[14:31:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10voyagerfan5761)
[14:31:19] *qsheets 	likes his calendar then
[14:31:40] <qsheets>	6 weeks showing++
[14:31:57] <Morbus>	yeah, i forgot all about it until deltaray2 mentioned it.
[14:32:06] <Morbus>	more "widespread" than i though.
[14:33:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Adding talk page to watchlist displays same message as watching content page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11665  (10voyagerfan5761)
[14:35:41] <LordAnubis>	Morbus, faq says i need to edit php file, but i want to do it from inside a wikipedia version, how.
[14:35:50] <Morbus>	you don't.
[14:36:05] <Morbus>	well, i suppose you could via CSS. i see.
[14:36:08] *Morbus 	thinkgs.
[14:36:18] <Morbus>	hold.
[14:36:18] <LordAnubis>	ye, <-- sysop here
[14:36:45] <Morbus>	#p-logo { background-image: url(); }
[14:36:49] <Morbus>	in a CSS should do it.
[14:37:17] <Morbus>	untested. just took a quick look at The Source.
[14:38:16] <LordAnubis>	I found it Morbus 
[14:38:33] <LordAnubis>	Morbus, just upload it as Wiki.png in your wikipedia/ wikimedia project
[14:40:12] <LordAnubis>	thanks for your help tho
[14:43:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add a music wikimodule - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189  +comment (10naelwiki)
[14:47:09] <CIA-40>	03mkroetzsch * r29116 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/ (SMW_SQLStore.php SMW_Store.php): 
[14:47:09] <CIA-40>	Support retrieval of all values of some property via function getPropertyValues (used with NULL subject).
[14:47:09] <CIA-40>	Feature request from Bug 12163.
[14:47:59] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) SMWStore "getAllPropertyObjects()" function needed - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12163  +comment (10mak)
[14:48:18] <CIA-40>	03catrope * r29117 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: (bug 12464) Added commented-out userrights-interwiki right to DefaultSettings.php
[14:48:26] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) The right "userrights-interwiki" is missing in DefaultSettings. php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12464  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[14:49:35] <CIA-40>	03mkroetzsch * r29118 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_DataValueFactory.php: 
[14:49:35] <CIA-40>	+ namespace check for property type cache to prevent misleading cache entries after wrong calls with
[14:49:35] <CIA-40>	non-property titles.
[14:49:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10l8qjvx002)
[14:50:35] <Morbus>	is it ill-advised to run the pywikipedia bot as your own user?
[14:50:41] <Morbus>	own *MW user
[14:50:50] <VasilievVV>	Yes
[14:50:54] <Morbus>	why?
[14:50:55] <VasilievVV>	You shouldn't
[14:52:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Ghost entries in bgwiki.categorylinks; wanted categories affected - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12168  15enhancement->trivial (10b.manolov)
[14:58:55] <CIA-40>	03mkroetzsch * r29119 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (SMW_QueryProcessor.php SMW_Settings.php): Changed symbol for LIKE comparator from % to ~ as discussed on the mailing list.
[14:59:46] <CIA-40>	03mkroetzsch * r29120 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/specials/QueryPages/SMW_SpecialUnusedProperties.php: + missing variable initialisation
[15:00:45] <Morbus>	VasilievVV: are there any guidelines for enforcing proper template usage? I'm attempting such at
[15:00:45] <Morbus>	http://www.videounderbelly.com/w/index.php?title=Template:Media&action=edit
[15:01:58] <Morbus>	but my indenting is causing the output to be pre'd.
[15:07:01] <chuck>	twincest: i read on the php site about umask, and it said it wasn't suitable for multithreaded webservers. should i not be using umask(022); on apache2?
[15:07:02] <Morbus>	hrm. maybe i shouldnt' display errors at all, but instead default to generic results.
[15:17:27] <Morbus>	anyone getting call-time pass-by-reference errors in SpamBlacklist?
[15:23:59] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r29121 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/TranslateUtils.php: *squash*
[15:25:46] *Morbus 	scratches head.
[15:25:59] <Morbus>	i don't understand where this extra space is coming from....
[15:43:43] <CIA-40>	03catrope * r29122 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/includes/api/ApiEditPage.php: ApiEdit_Vodafone: Major identation cleanup in ApiEditPage, using self::CONSTANT rather than CONSTANT
[15:44:02] <chuck>	i want to try out like the first version of mediawiki, where can i download it?
[15:46:40] <Morbus>	how would I debug a MediaWiki that just sits there? I've got the processor log on, and it stops right at Parser cache: MediaWikiBagOStuff
[15:48:12] <FreeNom>	re
[15:50:02] <Morbus>	i am noticing that BitmapHandler and File::transform are doing stats at a double slash...
[15:50:10] <Morbus>	httpdocs/w//sites/videounderbelly.com.wiki/
[15:51:13] <eAi>	I know you can export every article in a category - can you also delete every article in a category?
[15:51:22] <Morbus>	but fixing that doesn't fix the slowodwn.
[15:57:35] <Morbus>	huh, interesting.
[15:57:38] <Morbus>	it appears to be firefox related.
[15:57:46] <Morbus>	i'm doing the same thing in Safari and it's working fine.
[15:57:53] <Morbus>	but in the Firefox window, it's sitting there waiting forever for a load.
[15:58:22] <CIA-40>	03catrope * r29123 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/ (101 files in 12 dirs): ApiEdit_Vodafone: Merging latest revisions from trunk
[15:59:26] <Morbus>	ah, there it goes in Safari.
[15:59:31] <Morbus>	man, this is annoying.
[16:00:20] <Morbus>	it seems code related, somehow. if i turn off MySQL and request the page again, it still sits there twiddling thumbs, never yelling about sql errors.
[16:00:24] <Morbus>	or db missing.
[16:01:00] <Morbus>	and continues to stick at Parser cache: MediaWikiBagOStuff
[16:15:51] <Morbus>	is there any reason why the additional toolbar buttons (like redirect, strike, etc.) aren't shipped with MediaWiki soruce?
[16:34:31] <Morbus>	gah. did it again. i just don't get it.
[16:35:31] <CIA-40>	03mkroetzsch * r29124 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Updated docu files for SMW 1.0
[16:37:29] <qsheets>	lol
[16:38:09] <Morbus>	?
[16:38:30] *qsheets 	has seen that b4...
[16:38:42] <Morbus>	seen what?
[16:39:01] <qsheets>	are you using FF3b2 or FF2
[16:39:05] <Morbus>	2
[16:39:13] <qsheets>	awww...
[16:39:15] <Morbus>	but, i've had it happen in Safari once so far.
[16:39:34] <qsheets>	i wanted to know if they fixed it in 3b2
[16:39:42] <Morbus>	what was it?
[16:39:56] <qsheets>	the hang time
[16:40:14] <Morbus>	do we know anything more about it? is it specific to 1.11? i've never seen it before, save recently.
[16:40:39] *qsheets 	has seen it once in 1.10.2
[16:41:05] <Morbus>	when it's happening on Wiki A, I can go to Wiki B on the same server in another tab, and it's going fine.
[16:41:41] <qsheets>	it could be the host
[16:42:00] <Morbus>	well, I have a dedicated (non-virtual) server.
[16:42:06] <Morbus>	So, I'm the host, per se.
[16:43:59] <CIA-40>	03mkroetzsch * r29125 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_SQLStore.php: Typo
[16:49:13] <CIA-40>	03mkroetzsch * r29126 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/languages/SMW_LanguageKo.php: Removed label for not-yet-included "historical date" datatype
[16:50:20] <Morbus>	just happened in Safari again.
[16:50:44] <qsheets>	7:09:15 till UTC New Year
[16:50:46] <Morbus>	and i can hop right over into Firefox and it's dandy.
[16:51:03] <Morbus>	it seems to be happening before MW even hits the db, per my pathetic attempts to test, above.
[16:55:29] <Morbus>	can i include the contents of another page, or MUST it be a Template?
[17:00:15] <Dashiva>	Morbus: Any page, it just defaults to template namespace
[17:00:36] <Morbus>	so, I'd have to do {{Main:PAGENAME}}?
[17:01:15] <Dashiva>	Just :
[17:01:30] <Morbus>	thanks.
[17:11:49] <CIA-40>	03aaron * r29127 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Tweak UI for consistency. Always show comment input, remove watch checkbox.
[17:14:13] <StealthCP>	hehe, Freenode has everything :P
[17:14:23] <StealthCP>	I need a bit of help, if it's no bother
[17:15:40] <Simetrical>	!ask | StealthCP 
[17:15:40] --mwbot--	StealthCP : Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[17:16:07] <StealthCP>	I'm quite used to DokuWiki, however a new documentation wiki I have started have decided to use mediawiki
[17:16:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add [[Special:History/Page]] and [[Special:Edit/Page]] as functional internal wiki links - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11456  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[17:16:35] <StealthCP>	for many reasons, as Dokuwiki just isn't flexible enough
[17:16:51] <StealthCP>	The problem lies with one page, "Software Changelog"
[17:17:02] <domas>	dokuwiki rocks!
[17:17:11] <StealthCP>	yeah, it does :)
[17:17:24] <StealthCP>	but for what I need, MediaWiki does it a little bit better
[17:17:39] <StealthCP>	only one problem - I can't seem to get the table of contents, not to be numbered.
[17:18:10] <StealthCP>	It's done itself with 1, then 1.1 and 1.2, I don't want it numbered, only leveled, unordered list like
[17:18:24] <StealthCP>	this possible?
[17:20:17] <matx2pt0>	StealthCP, i dont see why it shouldnt be
[17:20:26] <VasilievVV>	__FORCETOC__
[17:20:51] <StealthCP>	I'll try that, didn't think it would make a difference though
[17:20:54] <VasilievVV>	oh, i didn't finsh reding the question
[17:21:23] <VasilievVV>	Really, the only think you may do is modify parser
[17:21:40] <StealthCP>	hmm, enlighten me
[17:22:08] <Barnerd>	Something broke after an upgrade to 1.11.0
[17:22:27] <Barnerd>	$wgWhitelistRead = array( 'Main Page','Special:Userlogin');
[17:22:32] <Simetrical>	StealthCP, not hard to do using CSS.
[17:22:38] <Simetrical>	To do it properly you'd have to modify the parser.
[17:22:41] <matx2pt0>	what did you upgrad from Barnerd 
[17:22:45] <Barnerd>	worked before, but now i can only get the Main page...
[17:22:49] <StealthCP>	will that affect all pages?
[17:22:58] <Simetrical>	StealthCP, you can make it affect whatever pages you want.
[17:23:11] <Simetrical>	StealthCP, let me get you a link, just a moment.
[17:23:16] <Simetrical>	Or instructions anyway.
[17:23:16] <StealthCP>	np
[17:23:19] <matx2pt0>	i noticed a few changes in mw 1.11 tht seems to break random things
[17:23:31] <Barnerd>	matx2pt0: Great!
[17:23:58] <Barnerd>	Hadn't been using it for a while but kept up with new versions without proper testing
[17:24:03] <matx2pt0>	but its fixable if you know where to look, i spent my time doing n upgrade from 1.4 for company i work for
[17:24:06] <Simetrical>	StealthCP, div.nonumbertoc span.tocnumber { display: none; } in MediaWiki:Common.css, then use <div class="nonumbertoc">__TOC__</div> to place the TOC.
[17:24:25] <Simetrical>	1.4 to 1.11, a fair number of things will break, yes.
[17:24:38] <matx2pt0>	^_^ i plugged them all
[17:24:46] <StealthCP>	I'll give that a shot, thanks :)
[17:25:16] <Barnerd>	matx2pt0: That'll be 1.11.1 soon?
[17:25:28] <matx2pt0>	possibly
[17:25:46] <matx2pt0>	but, i didnt need to commit any code
[17:25:48] <Barnerd>	Hmmmm. even /wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit fails
[17:26:15] <matx2pt0>	it was mainly extension patching and grab some files of svn
[17:27:31] <Barnerd>	Basically a private wiki so I have $wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] = false; $wgGroupPermissions['emailconfirmed']['read'] = true;
[17:28:16] <StealthCP>	Simetrical, thanks a lot
[17:28:20] <Barnerd>	So I need to make some pages available via wgWhitelistRead
[17:28:29] <StealthCP>	may I ask where you got that code snippet from?
[17:28:38] <StealthCP>	Might be good to bookmark
[17:30:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add a music wikimodule - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[17:31:46] <Simetrical>	StealthCP, just some discussion on Wikipedia.  Actually I pulled it off my own wiki for reference, but I could have easily come up with it again just by inspecting the TOC structure.
[17:32:01] <Simetrical>	As I did when I added it to my wiki, I think.
[17:32:05] <Simetrical>	It's a simple bit of CSS.
[17:32:30] <StealthCP>	it is indeed.
[17:34:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikimedia should migrate to new user rights assignment scheme - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11645  +comment (10lar)
[17:37:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikimedia should migrate to new user rights assignment scheme - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11645  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[17:38:35] <Barnerd>	Let's see what happens if I downgrade to 1.10.2
[17:41:04] <Nikerabbit>	hmm
[17:41:06] <Nikerabbit>	      3 PHP Notice:  Undefined index:  edit in /var/www/w/includes/ProtectionForm.php on line 183
[17:41:47] <dungodung>	Nikerabbit!
[17:43:17] <Nikerabbit>	 25715     werdna               $edit_restriction = $this->mRestrictions['edit'];
[17:46:30] <Barnerd>	Grmbl. mediawiki-1.10.2 works as expected
[17:46:43] <Fly-Man->	Afternoon all
[17:46:55] <Fly-Man->	Any experts on the DPL extension here ?
[17:50:41] <Skizzerz>	Fly-Man-: depends on how much expertise defines an expert :)
[17:51:36] <matx2pt0>	:( i not used it
[17:55:54] <AaronSchulz>	Nikerabbit: fix it? ;)
[18:16:28] <Nikerabbit>	AaronSchulz: nah, don't want to know
[18:24:45] <TimLaqua>	anyone familliar w/ dumpHTML.php?  every time I run it it gets through 1500 or so articles and says "cannot modify header information blah, blah, blah"
[18:24:53] <TimLaqua>	and bombs out
[18:26:35] <TimLaqua>	hmm... ok, it doesn't get through 1500 articles, it just explodes.
[18:28:46] <domas>	turn off error reporting %)
[18:28:55] <TimLaqua>	clever....
[18:29:03] <TimLaqua>	i like your style, sir.
[18:30:52] <Simetrical>	TimLaqua, Tim Starling has been fiddling with that lately.
[18:31:12] <TimLaqua>	did it work at one point?
[18:32:08] <Simetrical>	If you knew how to use it, I think so, yes.
[18:32:18] <TimLaqua>	there's a trick to using it?
[18:32:20] <Simetrical>	If you just naively tried to run it and assumed it would work, I think no.
[18:32:29] <TimLaqua>	ya, that's what I did
[18:33:08] <TimLaqua>	any idea on what the trick is?
[18:33:10] <Simetrical>	As far as I can observe, it seems to be more of a "let me whip up some quick hack to do this thing for me, I may as well commit it" than "let's create a mechanism for wiki administrators to create HTML dumps".
[18:33:20] <Simetrical>	I've never used it.
[18:33:26] <Simetrical>	Tim is the better person to talk to.  The other Tim.
[18:33:44] <TimLaqua>	ya, I figured talking to myself wouldn't be very productive
[18:34:49] <TimLaqua>	thx for the info, I'll ask Tim next time I see him on
[18:37:56] <StealthCP>	for a ceratin page (in fact the same one as earlier)
[18:38:16] <StealthCP>	I want the TOC to only go as deep as Headings with ==
[18:38:21] <StealthCP>	so = and ==, not ===
[18:38:25] <StealthCP>	or after.
[18:38:44] <StealthCP>	I can only find the variable that affects the global limit, once again I need it per page
[18:38:45] <Simetrical>	StealthCP, you have to use a similar CSS trick.
[18:38:54] <StealthCP>	thought so :P
[18:38:56] <Simetrical>	Since there's no per-page way to adjust that right now.
[18:39:15] <StealthCP>	though this must be documented, I presume?
[18:39:32] <StealthCP>	I'd have thought they might crop up often.
[18:40:54] <Simetrical>	StealthCP, somewhat.
[18:41:11] <Simetrical>	StealthCP, I think the English Wikipedia has some CSS rules for this kind of thing, probably along with other big wikis.
[18:43:25] <AlexSm>	StealthCP: Meta added this kind of CSS a couple of days ago:
[18:43:26] <AlexSm>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&curid=72321&diff=809508&oldid=781480
[18:56:27] <StealthCP>	thanks Simetrical and AlexSm :)  Well now that I've seen those files I'll have a look to see if there is anything else useful to me.
[18:56:56] <StealthCP>	that code worked perfectly though.. I'm wondering why MediaWiki doesn't contain any of these files with it
[18:57:15] <StealthCP>	Same for DokuWiki, I needed to go and manually get any CSS tweaks and pages
[19:00:13] <Simetrical>	StealthCP, for the first one, I agree.  For the second one, it's kind of messy to have TOCs have different levels on different pages.
[19:00:19] <Simetrical>	Not really clean.
[19:00:29] <Simetrical>	A better solution might be one that's more automated and consistent.
[19:00:37] <StealthCP>	Of course.
[19:01:08] <StealthCP>	but for te case of a software changelog, having x number of versions down the TOC is quite messy and long, bare looking
[19:01:16] <StealthCP>	it's the only page I will use it
[19:01:46] <StealthCP>	I'll show you the page when done, it's easier to see than to talk about what I'm trying to do
[19:02:51] <StealthCP>	for the rest of it I'm mainly following wiki standards, just some things are messy when you try and put them in a wiki, part of the reason I'm not using DokuWiki for this project
[19:03:18] <jameszhao>	hi
[19:04:16] <jameszhao>	i've a quick question. right now i've a protected category page; however it's also protecting all the pages in that category. can i make it so only the category page is protected and not the pages in that category?
[19:05:26] <VasilievVV>	It shouldn't protect all pages in category
[19:05:38] <VasilievVV>	Perhaps you enabled cascade protection
[19:06:05] <jameszhao>	ok i'll check that out thanks :)
[19:09:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikimedia should migrate to new user rights assignment scheme - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11645  (10rotemliss_public)
[19:11:42] <Steev43230>	Any one know where to muck with the code (preferably in Common.css or some such place) to increase the length of the Search box? I want it to be long enough so that when I change the box title from "search" to "search (context sensitive!)," the text is not cut off. Thanks.
[19:24:19] <jamasi>	Steev43230, you can edit the css of your skin to increase the size of the form elements
[19:24:52] <Steev43230>	OK, that's good - that's what I'd hoped for. Any idea what element the search box is?
[19:25:36] <MinuteElectron>	input.searchInput
[19:25:51] <Steev43230>	Awesome.
[19:26:55] <Steev43230>	Is CSS is there any difference between "padding" and "margin" in an html "p" element/object/tag?
[19:26:55] <jamasi>	.portlet #searchform input {width: 120px;} or .portlet #searchform .searchButton {width: 58px;}
[19:27:07] <Steev43230>	kewl
[19:27:11] <Steev43230>	will try that right away
[19:27:12] <jamasi>	those are the ones I'm using
[19:30:35] <Simetrical>	Steev43230, yes, there is a big difference between padding and margin.
[19:30:49] <Steev43230>	Entering :::      .portlet #searchform input {width: 150px;}      ::: into Common. css didn't make a change on hard refresh.
[19:30:54] <Simetrical>	Margins collapse, padding doesn't.  Margins are outside the border, padding is inside.  Backgrounds overlay the padding but not the margin.
[19:31:11] <Steev43230>	Collapse?
[19:31:11] <Simetrical>	And more.
[19:31:13] <Simetrical>	Yes.
[19:31:38] <Simetrical>	If you put margin: 1em; on a bunch of elements and stack them, there will be one em of space between consecutive elements.
[19:31:57] <Simetrical>	That is, the greater of the two margin values is used; the margins don't simply add.
[19:32:00] <Simetrical>	Padding just adds.
[19:32:03] <Steev43230>	OIC
[19:32:07] <Simetrical>	There are other differences too, some fairly subtle.
[19:32:16] <Simetrical>	I recommend reading the CSS 2.1 specification for more info.
[19:34:04] <Steev43230>	What I am trying to do is increase the spacing between paragraphs, as would be done in Word 2003 -> Format -> Paragraph -> Space After. But applying to "p" only doesn't affect the last item in a list so I thought I would apply it to h2, h3 and h4 also, but not getting consistent results when last <li> is followed by <h2>
[19:36:37] <Steev43230>	Entering   input.searchInput {width: 150px;}    into Common.css doesn't have any effect either. What am I doing wrong?
[19:39:27] <Simetrical>	Steev43230, to increase the vertical spacing as you want, add margin to all desired block-level elements.  Your results should be consistent.
[19:39:49] <Simetrical>	You want input#searchInput, not input.searchInput.
[19:40:04] <Steev43230>	That's what I'm tyring to do - or think I'm trying to do
[19:40:07] <Steev43230>	Thanks
[19:40:34] <Filnik>	Hello
[19:41:19] <Simetrical>	Steev43230, be aware that the entire sidebar is fixed-width, so you may have a bunch of rejiggering to do.
[19:42:05] <Steev43230>	Ah! Well, that would explain it.
[19:42:12] <StealthCP>	you know what I find annoying?  I can't even make footnotes.  Must I go to Wikipedia and copy 9 template files for EVERY thing I want to do?
[19:42:54] <StealthCP>	hmm, just found the Cite Extension.
[19:43:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page listed under incorrect namespace in watchlist editor - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12463  (10huji.huji)
[19:44:04] <Steev43230>	Sim,     input#searchInput {width: 3px;}      didn't shorten it. Just trying to zero-in on the right code at this point; I doub't I'll be able to purse this.
[19:45:03] <Simetrical>	Steev43230, works for me as expected.  Did you clear your cache?
[19:45:17] <Steev43230>	Yes, I do a hard refresh each time to test
[19:45:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10s.r.e.turner)
[19:46:22] <Simetrical>	Steev43230, is the wiki public?  Can you link to it?
[19:46:59] <Steev43230>	http://olr.freemason.com/wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css
[19:48:00] <Simetrical>	Steev43230, // doesn't work to make a comment in CSS.  You need to do /* ... */.
[19:48:07] <Steev43230>	rats
[19:48:11] <Steev43230>	ok lemme fix that
[19:48:26] <Simetrical>	It makes the immediately following statement malformed, so it's thrown out.
[19:49:04] <Steev43230>	Do I gotta end each line with */ or just each comment block?
[19:49:26] <Simetrical>	Steev43230, it works like C comments.  The comment goes from /* until the next */, whatever line that may be on.
[19:49:50] <Simetrical>	Steev43230, it might be helpful to install the SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi extension, which will syntax-highlight CSS pages so you can see if you mess up.
[19:52:03] <brion>	VasilievVV: can you revert r28986 and friends for now?
[19:52:37] <Steev43230>	OK. Thanks. That was the problem. Every time I troubleshoot I learn again the lesson: Is the computer turned on... Is the computer plugged in... etc.
[19:52:48] <Simetrical>	brion, awww.  Doesn't work properly or what?
[19:53:08] <brion>	i don't want to have to deal with another surprise schema change whatever while i'm in the middle of reviewing ten other things that are much more urgent
[19:59:30] <AaronSchulz>	brion: heh, when you say "suprise schema change" I think of scaping, then getting loud DB errors on page view saying "By the way, upgrade teh schema, kthx bye"
[19:59:57] <brion>	:D
[20:01:02] <AaronSchulz>	brion: and some dev would sign the message
[20:01:02] <AaronSchulz>	which would of course seal his doom
[20:02:03] <Dantman>	O_o 3 nicknames... Aaron, you to good for us, or?
[20:02:05] <Dantman>	lol
[20:02:20] <Dantman>	^_^ Bad connection?
[20:02:40] <AaronSchulz__>	I'll breach the max name length soon
[20:02:43] <AaronSchulz__>	too many _s
[20:02:53] <AaronSchulz__>	I wonder what the client will do
[20:02:56] <Dantman>	lol
[20:19:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10voyagerfan5761)
[20:19:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page listed under incorrect namespace in watchlist editor - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12463  (10roan.kattouw)
[20:21:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10l8qjvx002)
[20:25:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10voyagerfan5761)
[20:27:06] <CIA-40>	03brion * r29128 10/trunk/phase3/ (8 files in 5 dirs): 
[20:27:06] <CIA-40>	Revert for now r28986, 28987, 28992 - image redirects.
[20:27:06] <CIA-40>	Would prefer to properly review how this works and how it interacts with current and future image behavior, rather than being surprised by it in the middle of ten other things being reviewed.
[20:28:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10l8qjvx002)
[20:29:20] <MZMcBride_>	Simetrical: do you know if there's any particular reason why move and undelete aren't &action's?
[20:29:39] <Simetrical>	MZMcBride_, because they were added after special pages first existed.
[20:30:27] <MZMcBride_>	hmm... i saw your comments about Special:Action/ and that's what made me think of it
[20:30:47] <MZMcBride_>	it really would make more sense for undelete and move to be actions
[20:31:03] <Simetrical>	No, it would make more sense for all the others to be special pages.  :)
[20:31:12] <Simetrical>	They would be, if they hadn't been added before special pages existed.
[20:31:41] <Simetrical>	I would use title=Article_title only for views.
[20:31:47] <Simetrical>	That would be the cleanest way, I think.
[20:31:59] <MZMcBride_>	hmm... interesting
[20:32:15] <MZMcBride_>	well movepage could be switched to Action/move/
[20:32:42] <Simetrical>	Or action=edit could be switched to Special:Edit.
[20:32:51] <MZMcBride_>	yep
[20:33:02] <Simetrical>	I used to think there *was* a Special:Delete, it confused me.
[20:33:21] <Simetrical>	If we could say, "everything other than viewing is done through special pages", the situation would be simpler.
[20:33:22] <MZMcBride_>	though i think unifying all the actions would be nicer than a lot of separate special pages...
[20:33:37] <MZMcBride_>	well, i guess technically, there's also action=view
[20:33:48] <Simetrical>	Unifying them in what sense?  Adding an extra word to the URL unifies them?
[20:34:05] <MZMcBride_>	well at least they appear contained that way
[20:34:13] <MZMcBride_>	Special:Action/edit vs. Special:Edit
[20:34:45] <Simetrical>	Yes, but then should every action that could be done to a page be moved to Special:Action?
[20:34:56] <Simetrical>	Why should delete be under Special:Action when oversight is not?
[20:35:18] <MZMcBride_>	well oversight's an extension, and hopefully won't be around for much longer :)
[20:37:13] <MZMcBride_>	i suppose you could have Special:Action/deleterevision/...
[20:42:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10s.r.e.turner)
[20:48:23] <Steev43230>	Simetrical said, "the entire sidebar is fixed-width, so you may have a bunch of rejiggering to do." I found that changing /wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Search from "Search" to "Search (case sensitive) fitted exactly and that entering div#p-search { font-size: .95em; } and input#searchInput {width: 150px;} into Common.css made everything fit just right given my default page font size.
[20:48:45] <Simetrical>	Steev43230, might break on other browsers, especially with px size units.
[20:48:47] <Steev43230>	"Search (case sensitive)" I mean
[20:48:55] <Simetrical>	Using em may be better, since the sidebar's width is specified in em.
[20:48:59] <Steev43230>	Understood
[20:49:06] <Simetrical>	Search isn't case-sensitive, by the way, or not properly so.
[20:49:16] <Steev43230>	I thought em was only for vertical. Live and learn
[20:49:19] <Simetrical>	It's sort of case-sensitive.
[20:49:28] <Steev43230>	Understood.
[20:49:38] <Simetrical>	"FoO" will not find the article "Foo", but "FOO" will, and so will "foo".
[20:49:50] <Simetrical>	Maybe even "FoO" will.
[20:49:52] *Simetrical 	tries it
[20:50:01] <Steev43230>	Most of my guys will be looking for page titles.
[20:50:05] <Simetrical>	Right, it will.
[20:50:33] <Simetrical>	The only problem is if the page is called FoO or something, then you have to enter FoO or foO to find it, because the software won't guess medial capitals.
[20:50:40] <Steev43230>	What is the width of 1em? Same as lower case "m"?
[20:50:46] <Simetrical>	In the future we should hopefully move to some more case-insensitive thing.
[20:51:02] <Simetrical>	An em is defined as the height of the line box.  This may or may not be approximately the width of the letter "m".
[20:51:22] <Steev43230>	That would make sense type-setting-wise.
[20:51:24] <Simetrical>	It's the distance from the base to top of, say, an h, as I recall.
[20:51:35] <Steev43230>	No - I mean width.
[20:51:58] <Simetrical>	It's the same distance, just turned sideways.
[20:52:05] <Simetrical>	Width and height are commensurable.
[20:52:08] <Steev43230>	OK. In typesetting, m = 1em, n- 1en.
[20:52:28] <Steev43230>	As in dashes, m-dashes, and n-dashes.
[20:53:49] <ziff>	Hello... anyone around
[20:54:04] <Simetrical>	!ask | ziff 
[20:54:04] --mwbot--	ziff : Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[20:54:16] <ziff>	lol ok
[20:54:30] <ziff>	Was wondering where I could get mediawiki themes/skins
[20:54:39] <Skizzerz>	google
[20:54:52] <ziff>	Tryed that.. maybe i'm just googleing the wrong thing
[20:54:55] <Skizzerz>	hmmm
[20:55:18] <Skizzerz>	you're trying to get custom skins, correct? (just making sure I understood you)
[20:55:35] <Simetrical>	There's no official central repository of skins or themes.  You'll have to look around, I guess.
[20:56:02] <ziff>	Doesn't have to be custom.. just kinda look pretty
[20:56:29] <AlexSm>	ziff: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles
[20:56:30] <Skizzerz>	and I know a lot of places using custom skins don't release the skin's files as they want to be as original with their skin as possible
[20:56:37] <Simetrical>	Well, there are about six that aren't custom, and the only one that arguably looks pretty is the default one.
[20:56:46] <Steev43230>	WFM:   input#searchInput {width: 11.5em;}
[20:57:32] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Redirects (multiple names) for image inclusions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4470  +comment (10brion)
[20:57:42] <Steev43230>	That's the truth. For 1.11 only monobook looks very nice.
[20:58:05] <Simetrical>	Mm, Ubuntu actually takes severity classifications seriously, doesn't it?  Open bugs: 38,652.  Critical: 19 (down by 1 from last week).
[20:58:10] <ziff>	:p the all look kinds poopie. I guess I'll have to photoshop my own.
[20:58:17] <ziff>	\kinda
[20:58:29] <Simetrical>	Photoshop's not so helpful for this, I don't think.  You need CSS skillz.
[20:59:03] <Skizzerz>	(and PHP skillz, if you want an entirely custom one)
[20:59:23] <Steev43230>	Possible to delete skins available to users on my wiki?
[20:59:35] <ziff>	I'll design a web2.0 in photoshop then css it.
[21:00:00] <Skizzerz>	Steev43230: yes, it is. Although it might be better to just restrict what skins they can use instead of deleting the skins entirely
[21:00:04] <ziff>	Oh also have one more question.
[21:00:16] <ziff>	is there a admin demo somewhere?
[21:00:19] <Steev43230>	Where to restrict?
[21:01:10] <Skizzerz>	ziff: admin demo being?
[21:01:33] <ziff>	I want to view the features in teh admin panel without installing the script
[21:02:04] <Skizzerz>	? are you talking about on your webhost or whatnot?
[21:02:13] <ziff>	yes
[21:02:32] <ziff>	Usually when you see script online there's a demo for you to check out.
[21:02:35] <ziff>	s
[21:02:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10voyagerfan5761)
[21:02:58] <ziff>	I know what the user side looks liek.. but what baout the admin side?
[21:03:00] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Checkuser results omit information? - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12447  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[21:03:22] <Skizzerz>	ziff: pretty much the same as the user side, just with a few more tools
[21:04:11] <ziff>	is there a place where I can see these tools?
[21:04:12] <Steev43230>	anyone know of a cool {{Bad Link}} Template. I saw one & dunt remember where 'twas.
[21:06:23] <ziff>	*cough
[21:07:15] <Steev43230>	**Gesundheit**
[21:09:42] <Simetrical>	ziff, the admin tools, in the common sense, feature editing a configuration file.
[21:09:44] <Simetrical>	That's about it.
[21:09:48] <Simetrical>	Not much to show in the way of a video.
[21:09:55] <CIA-40>	03brion * r29129 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Skin.php includes/SkinTemplate.php): 
[21:09:55] <CIA-40>	* (bug 12446) Permissions check fix for undelete link
[21:09:55] <CIA-40>	Patch by Alexandre Emsenhuber - http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=4483
[21:09:59] <Simetrical>	Could put up a ttyrec, maybe, and save some size.  :)
[21:10:04] <ziff>	I just hope it's easy to admin.
[21:10:14] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Fix permissions check when displaying "Undelete n edits" tab - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12446  +comment (10brion)
[21:17:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirects (multiple names) for image inclusions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4470  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[21:19:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) deleting the user and / or user_talk page(s) =?UTF-8?Q?=20should=20trigger=20the=20E?= =?UTF-8?Q?mail=20notification=20for?= =?UTF-8?Q?=20=C2=AB=20E=2Dmail=20me=20when=20my?= =?UTF-8?Q?=20user=20talk=20page=20is=20ch?==?UTF-8?Q?anged=20=C2=BB=20etc?= . - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4101  summary (10gangleri)
[21:19:20] <CIA-40>	03grondin * r29130 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (56 files): Localisation updates for core from Betawiki (2007-12-31 19:00 UTC)
[21:19:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Preview in new section mode without edit toolbar is missing margin clear; floating pictures mess layout - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12450  summary; +comment (10brion)
[21:20:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New:=?UTF-8?Q?=20renaming=20an=20user=20sho?= =?UTF-8?Q?uld=20trigger=20the=20Email?= =?UTF-8?Q?=20notification=20for=20=C2=AB=20?= =?UTF-8?Q?E=2Dmail=20me=20when=20my=20use?= =?UTF-8?Q?r=20talk=20page=20is=20change?==?UTF-8?Q?d=20=C2=BB=20etc?=. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12465  (10N/A)
[21:21:35] <Betacommand>	VasilVV|NewYear: you about?
[21:22:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Preview in new section mode without edit toolbar is missing margin clear; floating pictures mess layout - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12450  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[21:22:10] <StealthCP>	just added the line require_once( "/extensions/Cite/Cite.php" );
[21:22:24] <StealthCP>	to the end of my LocalSettings.php
[21:22:34] <StealthCP>	the whole wiki is down
[21:22:58] <Simetrical>	StealthCP, the path is wrong.  You probably want to omit the initial slash.
[21:23:01] <Simetrical>	See also:
[21:23:03] <Simetrical>	!errors
[21:23:03] --mwbot--	 To see PHP errors, add this to the very top of LocalSettings.php: error_reporting(E_ALL); ini_set("display_errors", 1);  Fatal PHP errors usually go to Apache's error log - also check the error_log setting in php.ini (or use phpinfo). For more details in wiki error reports, set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; and $wgShowSQLErrors = true; For full debug output, set $wgDebugLogFile to some path you like.
[21:23:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Log entries for user and / or user_talk page(s) =?UTF-8?Q?=20should=20trigger=20the=20E?= =?UTF-8?Q?mail=20notification=20for?= =?UTF-8?Q?=20=C2=AB=20E=2Dmail=20me=20when=20my?= =?UTF-8?Q?=20user=20talk=20page=20is=20ch?==?UTF-8?Q?anged=20=C2=BB=20etc?= . - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4101  summary; +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[21:23:26] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Moving user/=?UTF-8?Q?user=20talk=20page=20should?= =?UTF-8?Q?=20trigger=20the=20Email=20no?= =?UTF-8?Q?tification=20for=20=C2=AB=20E=2Dm?= =?UTF-8?Q?ail=20me=20when=20my=20user=20t?= =?UTF-8?Q?alk=20page=20is=20changed=20=C2?==?UTF-8?Q?=BB=20etc?=. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12465  summary; +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[21:23:26] <StealthCP>	you know, just before I clicked back to XChat, I sort of guessed that :P
[21:23:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Log entries for user and / or user_talk page(s) =?UTF-8?Q?=20should=20trigger=20the=20E?= =?UTF-8?Q?mail=20notification=20for?= =?UTF-8?Q?=20=C2=AB=20E=2Dmail=20me=20when=20my?= =?UTF-8?Q?=20user=20talk=20page=20is=20ch?==?UTF-8?Q?anged=20=C2=BB=20etc?= . - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4101  (10roan.kattouw)
[21:23:39] <StealthCP>	just one of those days :/
[21:23:55] <StealthCP>	Too tired to go out either, so I'm working on a Wiki that wants to go party too
[21:24:35] <VasilVV|NewYear>	Betacommand: yes
[21:24:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Log entries for user and / or user_talk page(s) should trigger the Email notification for " E-mail me when my user talk page is changed" etc. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4101  summary (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[21:25:12] <VasilVV|NewYear>	Even considering local time (0:24)
[21:25:51] <Betacommand>	VasilVV|NewYear: were you the dev that was thinking about creating a special:edit or that bug?
[21:25:56] <CIA-40>	03grondin * r29131 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesKy.php: Commit request from Betawiki for deleting a message : SPQRobin
[21:26:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) action=delete; action=undelete; action=protect; action= unprotect should generate an entry in the history - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4172  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[21:26:47] <VasilVV|NewYear>	Betacommand: yes. I've created patch, but you should discuss it with brion first
[21:27:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Log entries for user and / or user_talk page(s) should trigger the Email notification for " E-mail me when my user talk page is changed" etc. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4101  (10gangleri)
[21:29:47] <Skizzerz>	pwmned
[21:29:49] <Skizzerz>	*pwned
[21:33:01] <Betacommand>	VasilVV|NewYear: Ive got a new Idea that brion might like better
[21:33:33] <VasilVV|NewYear>	which one?
[21:34:09] <Betacommand>	VasilVV|NewYear: create a option for linksearch so that it ignores links that are transcluded
[21:44:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Disallow lowercase-initial titles in User and User_talk namespaces regardles of the $wgCapitalLinks setting - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5134  summary (10gangleri)
[21:45:21] <VasilVV|NewYear>	Betacommand: the problem is in GoogleBotet al
[21:45:38] <Betacommand>	VasilVV|NewYear: ??
[21:46:59] <VasilVV|NewYear>	They will follow Special:Edit/.. links will be at "/wiki/" path, not on "/w/", so Google will follow and (unlikely) fix it
[21:47:49] <Betacommand>	VasilVV|NewYear: that is why you use my other idea
[21:48:22] <VasilVV|NewYear>	How is linksearch related to google?
[21:48:31] <Betacommand>	just have an option on Special linksearch that hides links that are caused by page transclusion
[21:49:20] <Betacommand>	VasilVV|NewYear: that will also serve the reason for the new Special:Edit page that I was looking for
[21:49:31] <VasilVV|NewYear>	Google is absolutely unrelated to Special:Linksearch. Special:Linksearch is a tool for looking up external link usage by pattern
[21:54:39] <Betacommand>	VasilVV|NewYear: the special:Edit was a request that I made as a hack around linksearch, IE removing the edit links from linksearch. 
[22:05:45] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Biography Sting(Singer) Sting(Wresler) shows the Bio of Sting wresler. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12453  +comment (10brion)
[22:24:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add a music wikimodule - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189  (10naelwiki)
[22:24:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page listed under incorrect namespace in watchlist editor - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12463  (10brion)
[22:24:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) namespaceDupes.php should check archive table - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10171  +comment (10brion)
[22:24:17] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Deleted pages with prefix matching new namespace aren' t noticed by namespaceDupes.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8050  +comment (10brion)
[22:29:55] <mfranklin>	Hi All.
[22:31:15] <mfranklin>	I have media wiki  1.6.9, and am trying to add a google search, which has html markup on the Main Page, but it doesn't seem to allow HTML
[22:33:08] <mfranklin>	hi Xerol. can you help me with enabling html?
[22:33:34] <Skizzerz>	!html | mfranklin 
[22:33:34] --mwbot--	mfranklin : For allowing any and all HTML, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgRawHtml>. This is of course VERY DANGEROUS. Safer options include <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HTMLets>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RawMsg> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SecureHTML>.
[22:34:19] <mfranklin>	Skizzerz> Thanks dude!
[22:34:29] <Skizzerz>	yw :)
[22:35:30] <mfranklin>	So there's people here. Isn't it almost new years? 
[22:37:23] <Skizzerz>	yeah, about 7 hours away for me :)
[22:41:44] <MinuteElectron>	mfranklin: Some people simply couldn't give a shit. ;)
[22:42:10] <MinuteElectron>	Others just leave their client on even when they aren't using their computer.
[22:42:36] <MinuteElectron>	Others go away for a few minutes at midnight and then come back. :D
[22:42:52] <mfranklin>	yeah, I'm one of those people that simply couldn't give a shit. I stayed home, went to bed at 23:15
[22:42:54] <mfranklin>	:p
[22:43:00] <CIA-40>	03brion * r29132 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/AjaxFunctions.php): * (bug 12451) AJAX title normalization tweaks
[22:43:03] <MinuteElectron>	heh
[22:43:07] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Title canonicalisation in AjaxFunctions.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12451  +comment (10brion)
[22:43:35] <MinuteElectron>	To be fair, why are we celebrating it?
[22:43:45] <mfranklin>	yeah, we should mourn it
[22:43:51] <MinuteElectron>	lol
[22:44:59] <Skizzerz>	indeed
[22:45:11] <Skizzerz>	think of all the great things we're leaving behind in 2007
[22:46:00] <MinuteElectron>	We've already left them behind...
[22:46:03] <mfranklin>	hey can you help me with this line: For example, calling {{#rawmsg:test-pattern}} would grab the content of [[MediaWiki:rawmsg-test-pattern]] and insert the content directly into the page.
[22:46:15] <mfranklin>	this part: [[Mediwiki:rawmsg-test-pattern]]
[22:46:34] <mfranklin>	How do I "put content" at For example, calling {{#rawmsg:test-pattern}} would grab the content of [[MediaWiki:rawmsg-test-pattern]] and insert the content directly into the page.
[22:46:51] <mfranklin>	please excuse... I was saying: how do I put content at [[Mediwiki:rawmsg-test-pattern]]
[22:47:14] <mfranklin>	(on my wiki)
[22:47:51] <Skizzerz>	you edit that page
[22:48:07] <Skizzerz>	but you need to be a sysop (or any group with the 'editinterface' permission)
[22:48:14] <mfranklin>	yes, what's the name of the page
[22:48:53] <Skizzerz>	MediaWiki:rawmsg-test-patter
[22:48:54] <mfranklin>	this page: http://example.com/MyWiki/index.php/Mediawiki:rawmsg-test-pattern
[22:48:56] <Skizzerz>	*pattern
[22:48:59] <Skizzerz>	yes, that page
[22:49:05] <mfranklin>	okay, thanks 
[22:49:30] <mfranklin>	seemed a bit odd to me, but okay
[22:54:42] <mfranklin>	okay well http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RawMsg isn't working for me, so I'm just going to enable HTML wiki-wide, cos it's a private wiki anyway
[22:54:54] <mfranklin>	(was probably a version issue(
[22:59:37] <mfranklin>	tada! worked
[23:02:35] <CIA-40>	03brion * r29133 10/trunk/extensions/TitleBlacklist/TitleBlacklist.list.php: Use wfMemcKey() rather than hardcoding database name.
[23:05:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikimedia should migrate to new user rights assignment scheme - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11645  (10lar)
[23:34:18] <CIA-40>	03grondin * r29134 10/trunk/extensions/ (38 files in 33 dirs): Localisation updates for extensions from Betawiki (2007-12-31 19:00 UTC)
[23:39:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add a music wikimodule - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[23:40:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Preview in new section mode without edit toolbar is missing margin clear; floating pictures mess layout - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12450  (10gangleri)
[23:41:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) message missingarticle get' s merged into wpTextbox1 on recreate (sometimes) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11290  (10gangleri)
[23:50:51] <Simetrical>	Bugger.
[23:50:59] <CIA-40>	03simetrical * r29135 10/trunk/phase3/ (11 files in 8 dirs): Add userrights-text message to display at all times on Special:Userrights, like makesysoptext, per request on bug 11645.
[23:51:00] <Simetrical>	I hate it when I commit more than I meant to.
[23:52:05] <CIA-40>	03simetrical * r29136 10/trunk/phase3/ (11 files in 8 dirs): Revert last commit, unintended things were committed.
[23:54:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikimedia should migrate to new user rights assignment scheme - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11645  (10lar)
[23:55:13] <CIA-40>	03simetrical * r29137 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Add userrights-text message to display at all times on Special:Userrights, like makesysoptext, per request on bug 11645.
[23:57:41] <CIA-40>	03simetrical * r29138 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): After all that the message ALREADY EXISTS, userrights-summary. Sigh. Reverting self again.
[23:57:48] <VasilVV|NewYear>	Simetrical: :)
[23:57:57] <VasilVV|NewYear>	Happy new year :)
[23:58:06] <Simetrical>	Ack, GNOME is now remembering my passphrase.
[23:58:09] <Simetrical>	Bad GNOME!
[23:58:12] *Simetrical 	hits it with a newspaper
[23:58:19] *Simetrical 	looks for how to turn off its interference in SSH