[00:08:05] <CIA-51>	03brion * r35521 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.body.php Collection.i18n.php): 
[00:08:05] <CIA-51>	* Convert some HTML messages to wiki
[00:08:05] <CIA-51>	* HTML escaping tweaks
[00:08:05] <CIA-51>	* formatting tweaks
[00:24:42] <Lenoxus>	Hello, I'd like to make a MediaWiki feature proposal…
[00:24:59] <Soxred93>	Bugzilla
[00:25:05] <Lenoxus>	thanks
[00:25:19] <Lenoxus>	I was going to ask if that's the right place
[00:25:37] <Lenoxus>	Will I easily be able to find out whether the proposal's been made before?
[00:26:20] <Splarka>	not "easily" but you can search for it
[00:26:24] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/query.cgi?format=advanced
[00:26:30] <Splarka>	what is your general proposal?
[00:26:36] <Simetrical>	Lenoxus, you can just make it here, to start with.
[00:28:19] <Sasoriza>	jlerner: In a sense
[00:28:25] <CIA-51>	03erik * r35522 10/trunk/tools/planet/en/config.ini: +3
[00:29:09] <jlerner>	Sasoriza: is there some trick i've missed all this time, to formatting templates in a maintainable way?
[00:29:43] <jlerner>	i want to clean this up: http://organizedwisdom.com/Template:Action?action=raw
[00:29:46] <Lenoxus>	well, since I've probably aroused curiosity, it's just this: full rendering of redirect pages. Does that come up a lot? What are the software limitations that allow only categories to show (at least on 'kpedia)?
[00:30:16] <Sasoriza>	that extension works if you have, say, {{#if:{{{this}}}|{{{that}}}|{{{somethingelse}}}, but with line breaks after each conditional
[00:30:36] <jlerner>	right
[00:30:41] <Simetrical>	Lenoxus, it should be pretty easy to do this, I imagine.  #redirect doubtless just short-circuits the parser output somehow.
[00:31:01] <jlerner>	i guess i could try for this:http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Cite_news&action=edit
[00:31:27] <jlerner>	with a ton of html-style comments
[00:32:07] <Lenoxus>	Well, I'll go ahead and propose it and see what comes up
[00:32:58] <Sasoriza>	jlerner: can you use pastebin to show the code?
[00:33:01] <Splarka>	Lenoxus: well, search first for it
[00:33:11] <Sasoriza>	You're omitting something
[00:33:45] <Splarka>	by "full rendering" what do you mean?
[00:34:16] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=927
[00:35:03] <jlerner>	Sasoriza: http://pastebin.com/d1a07e4e2
[00:37:11] <jlerner>	bbias
[00:37:21] <Splarka>	Lenoxus: there are some reverse parts of this bug floating around, like https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2333
[00:37:39] <Splarka>	in that the preview shows up like a normal article, instead of like an actual redirect page
[00:38:13] <Splarka>	927 is the closest I can find though, but it was closed as fixed (even though it was mostly the newline issue)
[00:42:19] <Splarka>	heh, protected function viewRedirect() is very minimal
[00:43:41] <Lenoxus>	Thanks Splarka! Funny, the reverse one is something I never noticed as a problem (The fact that it previews as "1. redirect (LINK).").
[00:44:01] <Lenoxus>	On 927, Tim Starling's comment is indeed correct, as far as I can tell.
[00:44:36] <Lenoxus>	Text after the first line is just as much ignored as on any other, unless it happens to be a category. I think I even remember when the change occurred, but I'm not positive.
[00:44:43] <Splarka>	shh, don't let it go to his head
[00:46:30] <CIA-51>	03erik * r35523 10/trunk/tools/planet/en/config.ini: change tag for Lar
[00:48:00] <Splarka>	Lenoxus: you can render a redirect with &diff=next too
[00:48:26] <Lenoxus>	where do I put that?
[00:48:36] <Splarka>	after redirect=no
[00:49:40] <Splarka>	or, hmm, sometimes it works
[00:50:23] <Sasoriza>	sigh. Where is that new version page layout in the trunk?
[00:50:26] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Interacting_binary_stars&redirect=no&diff=next
[00:51:28] <Lenoxus>	That one's funny, Spacepotato moved the page instead of typing in "#redirect"
[00:51:54] <Splarka>	Sasoriza: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=30608  that?
[00:52:30] <Lenoxus>	Whoops I completely take back my last comment
[00:52:37] <Lenoxus>	urrrgh I'm in stupid mode
[00:57:06] <Chobbit>	I have a question about mediawiki, is there a dev on?
[00:57:15] <Alexfusco5>	Chobbit: 
[00:57:16] <Alexfusco5>	!ask
[00:57:16] --mwbot--	Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[00:57:42] <Alexfusco5>	Chobbit: just ask your question please :)
[00:57:50] <Chobbit>	Well, then I apologize completely.  Ok my question is...
[00:59:31] <Lenoxus>	(the suspense!)
[01:00:02] <Chobbit>	We want to have data in an OO representation.  Ie, an Item will have a name and a number of variables.  We want to be able to dynamically call these items into certain pages.  Ie one page would have a list of these items, that are sortable by 3 different variables, and another page has a list of only items that have a certain value in one of the variables... Is this at all doable in mediawiki?
[01:00:49] <Chobbit>	Ie, instead of having to hard code all that information on thousands of pages, just link to the item and the wiki will pull out the information it needs.
[01:04:18] <Sasoriza>	jlerner: left a note on your paste
[01:04:24] <jlerner>	tx
[01:06:41] <Sasoriza>	that'd just be a template, wouldn't it?
[01:06:47] <derwin>	Chobbit: that sort of thing is doable, via templates.
[01:07:00] <derwin>	Chobbit: however, you should bear in mind that Mediawiki is NOT A PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE
[01:07:03] <Splarka>	a big #switch for example, heh
[01:07:30] <derwin>	Chobbit: so, while you probably *can* do your task with mediawiki, it is not necessarily the best information management paradigm for your issue
[01:07:34] <Splarka>	Template:Number2Name with contents {{#switch:{{{1}}}|00=foo|01=bar|02=baz|#default=unknown}}
[01:07:36] <derwin>	Chobbit: then again, it may be.
[01:08:17] <derwin>	btw, hey splarka.. :)
[01:08:24] <jlerner>	Sasoriza: thanks for looking
[01:08:28] <Splarka>	rar
[01:08:34] <jlerner>	there's not really a problem as it is - except that it's hard to read...
[01:09:11] <Chobbit>	Well, overall for the general information, a wiki is the best choice, but there are a couple lists of items that would be much less tedious if there was a more dynamic way to present them
[01:09:15] <Sasoriza>	Ah. Thought it was the expression error that was a problem.
[01:12:48] <Simetrical>	This is neat.  I wish I'd known about it when it started: http://treasurehunt.appspot.com/
[01:13:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Redirect pages should render all text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14323 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Redirects; (lenoxuss)
[01:14:39] <derwin>	Chobbit: usually, that is when templates come in handy. if you try to over-generalize your data in mediawiki, you will find madness soon.. but if you apply templates strategically for subsets of your content which need it.. it is "for the win"
[01:15:10] <derwin>	Chobbit: you might wish to also look into namespaces, if it makes sense to logically seperate (for search, for example) the data-accessed-via-templates from the data-access-via-normal-means
[01:16:15] <Chobbit>	derwin: Sounds like a plan, I'll look up templates and namespaces now~
[01:17:12] <derwin>	Chobbit: it may not necessarily be obvious how you should use templates and transclusion (other key concept) but the key is, imo, that you can pass arguments to templates, and the templates can transclude or link to other pages based on those arguments
[01:18:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Deleted tlh.wikt blocks SUL process - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14300  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[01:18:58] <Chobbit>	derwin: hmm, and the data to be stored... how would that fit in?  Can I just make a data page for the item with "name, 1, 27, "string", 12" and have the template understand after which comma the data should come from... or...?
[01:19:30] <derwin>	I'm not sure I understand your question
[01:19:38] <derwin>	but, lets say you had a bunch of widgets
[01:19:44] <Chobbit>	o.O
[01:19:45] <derwin>	"data for x case" data for y case etc
[01:19:51] <Chobbit>	ok
[01:19:53] <derwin>	as single, manually created wiki pages
[01:20:05] <derwin>	as splarka mentioned above, you could call them via a template with a "switch" in it
[01:20:43] <derwin>	but it depends.. do you need to link that page
[01:20:51] <derwin>	or do you need to include its content in another page?
[01:21:25] <Chobbit>	include it's content in another page, I believe if I understand the question properly
[01:21:33] <derwin>	right, so "transclude"
[01:21:40] <Splarka>	heh, there is a trick to do both...
[01:21:55] <Sasoriza>	don't confuse him, Splarka :)
[01:22:35] <Splarka>	<includeonly>{{#switch:{{{1}}}|all|00=First page}}{{#switch:{{{1}}}|all|01=Second page}}... </includeonly><noinclude>{{{{FULLPAGENAME}}|all}}</noinclude>
[01:22:37] <Splarka>	</confuse>
[01:22:40] <Chobbit>	lol, I love programming for a reason, and it's the confusion! xD
[01:23:15] <derwin>	chobbit : for example, I have a usage of mediawiki where I have "process widgets" which are only ever included into "process" wiki pages. process pages live in "proc" namespace (custom namespace) and widgets are in "procw" and I transclude via template called Template:Procw which contains something like {{Procw:{{{1}}}}}
[01:23:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Rename "be-x-old" to "be-tarask" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9823   +shell; summary (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[01:23:36] <Chobbit>	I see
[01:23:51] <derwin>	the {{{1}}} is the first positional argument, so if I call Procw as {{Procw|Page Name}} it will transclude the page from procw namespace and optionally wrap it, or etc.
[01:24:27] <Chobbit>	ok
[01:24:45] <derwin>	that is an example of how you can pass-through using templates
[01:24:59] <derwin>	not quite the example you are asking about, but a simple example which I think might help you understand the concept :)
[01:25:44] <Sasoriza>	The best learning method is hands-on. Experiment, see what happens. Just don't break anything. :)
[01:25:47] <Chobbit>	heh, soon as I understand the basics to get your concept :) I seriously need a "Teach Yourself Wiki in 21 Days" book, lol
[01:26:45] <derwin>	Chobbit: fwiw, I have found this channel _super_ helpful.. they helped me accomplish a wiki information design task in a few weeks time that I would have been hopeless to accomplish otherwise, esp. because mediawiki is good at documenting the various features but not how you might apply them.
[01:27:10] <Chobbit>	yeah
[01:27:28] <derwin>	the best pieces of advice I can give are the following :
[01:27:37] <derwin>	1) mediawiki is not a programming language.
[01:27:51] <derwin>	2) do not try to copy templates, especially complicated ones, from en.wikipedia.
[01:29:30] <Chobbit>	lol, 1) I figured that, but it turns out I thought it was less of a programming language than it is ;D and 2)  I tend to stay away from copying complicated solutions... i prefer to figure them all out on my own (as painful as that sometimes can be)
[01:29:57] <Krimpet>	copying templates from en.wiki or elsewhere is usually possible as long as you've got the appropriate extensions installed, and copy everything under "Pages transcluded onto the current version of this page:" too
[01:29:59] <derwin>	yeah, basically you can learn some interesting techniques but.. many pages use deep voodoo
[01:30:21] <derwin>	Krimpet: the problem is that those pages also include other templates. and you end up manually copying templates in "template hell"
[01:30:23] <Chobbit>	I originally was looking for a way to get an sql like database to hook up with a wiki, but since reserching turned up that it was a bad idea, i decided to simplify my questions
[01:30:28] <derwin>	like "dependency hell"
[01:30:31] <Krimpet>	derwin: ah, true.
[01:30:57] <derwin>	most en.wikipedia templates seem to ultimately include an unlimited/bounded number of templates once unwrapped :)
[01:31:10] <derwin>	at least most not-totally-simple ones
[01:31:10] <Sasoriza>	too true
[01:32:01] <Sasoriza>	not sure which is worse, that or trying to transclude templates into each other
[01:32:33] <Sasoriza>	include/exclude certain arguments, etc.
[01:32:39] <Krimpet>	hmm, a toolserver tool that analyzes a template's dependencies so you can copy it might be nice
[01:34:27] <Sasoriza>	I still haven't figured out how to use #relabs to transclude via path only a portion of a page
[01:34:42] <Simetrical>	Krimpet, I think Special:Export allows that automatically.
[01:35:00] <Krimpet>	Simetrical: ohh, it does
[01:36:44] <Sasoriza>	I'd give my right arm if someone had a solution for that (hint hint)
[01:41:55] <Chobbit>	Woot, newb demonstration time:  The widgets usable in a wiki, as derwin was mentioning; How do I create one?  The widget page just lists how to use them.
[01:44:10] <Sasoriza>	Is it actually widgets you want to transclude?
[01:44:39] <Chobbit>	I'm not sure yet... I want to see what it is I can create when creating a widget and determine if that helps me in what I'd like to do
[01:48:01] <Chobbit>	basically, in OO terms, I have a class Monst { string name; int lvl; string[ ] itemlist ; bitmap image; string[ ] locations }  and some pages (like location page) will just display the image, lvl, and name and link to a different page that is specifically about that Monst, that lists everything, and the itemlist string all the strings are converted to links to the item specific pages, etc~
[01:51:23] <Chobbit>	This whole part of it would be so much easier if just done in a programing language, but this functionality only accounts for a minor part of the total project which is better suited to a wiki. :/  hence the delimma and myself getting stuck going back and forth between all these pages making sure the data matches up >.<
[01:56:03] <Sasoriza>	Well, a template will transclude whatever you tell it to transclude. Widgets, text, anything.
[01:56:20] <Chobbit>	I am looking at this page: http://www.mediawikiwidgets.org/Widget:Ohloh_Developer and it appears to be able to do exactly what I'd want my data to do.  The only problem is I don't know how he created his widget 
[01:58:09] <Chobbit>	I'm pretty sure I know what derwin was talking about, going from having a widget to the final output... now my main concern is getting to the widget... i'm not exactly sure what it is :/
[01:58:30] <Sasoriza>	Do you have shell access?
[01:59:00] <Sasoriza>	Well wait, do you want the widget, or the extension that manages the widget?
[01:59:26] <Chobbit>	what do you mean?
[01:59:51] <Sasoriza>	If you have access to your database, where the mediawiki files & folders are located, you can install http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Widget
[02:00:30] <Chobbit>	ok, and assuming that get's installed, where do I go from there?
[02:00:38] <Sasoriza>	and then call #widget: like Sergey specifies
[02:01:28] <Chobbit>	with {{#widget:WidgetName|etc|etc}}, yeah
[02:01:36] *Sasoriza 	nods
[02:02:07] <Chobbit>	however, how would I create teh widgit "chobbitswidget" so that I can use {{#widget:chobitswidget|var|var}} in the wiki?
[02:02:12] <Chobbit>	the*
[02:03:37] <Sasoriza>	MW won't tell you how to build widgets (if it does, it's news to me)... You'd need to google for tutorials
[02:04:25] <Chobbit>	I figured, but all the links i get are for creating rss aggregators >.<;  I'll just keep looking then
[02:13:35] <derwin>	btw
[02:13:38] <derwin>	chobbit, I'm sorry
[02:13:54] <derwin>	I use the word "widget" to mean something that mediawiki might not use it for
[02:14:25] <Chobbit>	oh?
[02:14:32] <derwin>	I use "widget" to describe "a page which exists only to be included in other pages"
[02:14:47] <derwin>	ie, not a content node, something which is included in other content nodes
[02:14:54] <Chobbit>	i see
[02:15:01] <Splarka>	did you mean "template"?
[02:15:02] <derwin>	it is probably not a correc tusage in mediawiki context, as there is probably something called "widgets"
[02:15:29] <derwin>	splarka : well, in the case of a template as a pass-through, the template allows you to wrap widgets
[02:15:31] <Chobbit>	so that page would in my case be just a list of the data, and other pages would include parts of it?
[02:15:55] <derwin>	Chobbit: in my case, that page is the atomic unit of data for a particular thing
[02:16:36] <derwin>	Chobbit: ie, if the process needs to say "kickstart a host" and all process which say "kickstart a host" want to have the same underlying data which chcanges in all o fthem when it is updated
[02:17:07] <derwin>	Chobbit: then I put the "kickstart a host" info in the widget custom namespace, and include it via a template which includes things in that namespace with wrapping
[02:17:22] <derwin>	the base level atomic information page is still a standalone page
[02:17:36] <derwin>	so if I understand your task, there might be a lot of base level pages
[02:17:46] <Chobbit>	hmm
[02:17:51] <derwin>	if you are asking if you can put all that info on one page
[02:18:00] <derwin>	and switch between sections
[02:18:13] <derwin>	I am pretty sure the answer is no, because, not least, mediawiki page limit size concerns
[02:18:30] <Chobbit>	i see
[02:18:42] <derwin>	the template allows you to pass-through one-to-many without manually creating all the links, for example
[02:18:59] <Chobbit>	right
[02:19:15] <derwin>	but the end level page still has to be an atomic page only containing its information
[02:19:24] <Chobbit>	hmm
[02:20:38] <derwin>	wow, that widget extension uses smarty
[02:20:42] <derwin>	that's one way to do it
[02:20:46] <Chobbit>	yeah i'm looking more for a many-many relationship
[02:20:47] <Chobbit>	oh?
[02:20:59] <Chobbit>	first, what's smarty? and second, how does that help? xD
[02:21:58] <derwin>	sorry for confusing the matter with the word "widget" :)
[02:22:23] <Chobbit>	lol, not a problem~
[02:22:36] <derwin>	smarty is a php templating system
[02:22:45] <derwin>	seperate from mediawiki style templates
[02:22:59] <Chobbit>	though that widget I linked to, looks like what I want to be able to do, ie send the widget data and a 'type' and depending on 'type' depends on what kind of output you get back
[02:23:35] <derwin>	yes, {{Template Name|TYPE=mytype}}
[02:23:56] <derwin>	and then parserfunctions style tests, etc.
[02:24:10] <derwin>	I would suggest against trying ot use Extension:Widget unless you really need it
[02:24:12] <Chobbit>	and the data you send, determines which of a thousand items it takes it's data from to return to you certain parts of that data
[02:24:14] <derwin>	as it adds the smarty layer
[02:24:20] <Chobbit>	lol, ok
[02:24:36] <derwin>	but yes, the template page can act as a switch/pass-through
[02:24:43] <derwin>	as an example, I use parserfunctions #ifexists
[02:25:01] <derwin>	in the case that a per-cluster doc exists, with name Page Name (CLUSTER) it uses that.. if not, it uses Page Name
[02:25:05] <derwin>	for example
[02:25:29] <derwin>	more simple parameter pass-throughs are even more straightforward
[02:25:59] <Chobbit>	hmm, is there a working example that i could go look to that you know of?
[02:26:12] <derwin>	my stuff is all internal, unfortuantely
[02:26:25] <Chobbit>	I figured
[02:26:28] <Chobbit>	:)
[02:26:51] <derwin>	but, essentially, parserfunctions will allow you to do certain types of logical tests on variables passed to your templates
[02:27:17] <derwin>	which seems like it will allow you to use templates to connect between pages including that template and the back-end data pages
[02:27:17] <Chobbit>	yeah, I was looking at those, the #if, #foreach, etc
[02:27:43] <derwin>	but I am not 100% clear on what you are doing exactly, and am also not really a mediawiki expert, so.. grains of salt! :)
[02:27:52] <Chobbit>	lol
[02:27:54] <derwin>	I am definitely not a mediawiki expert compared to many regulars here
[02:28:10] <derwin>	(many of whom actually wrote the thing!)
[02:28:13] <Chobbit>	lol
[02:28:39] <Chobbit>	(probably many of which are wondering why i'm trying to break their program so badly~)
[02:29:24] <Chobbit>	well, I could show you kind of what i'm doing... not sure if it's ok to send a bunch of links that almost nobody cares about on this chat, if you want to see would pm'ing be a better idea?
[02:29:56] <derwin>	I am on vacation and likely about to go to sleep, sadly :)
[02:30:08] <derwin>	otherwise I'd be glad to :)
[02:30:17] <Sasoriza>	Chobbit: pastebin
[02:30:55] <Chobbit>	derwin: lol, no problem, but thanks for all your help
[02:31:01] <Chobbit>	Sasoriza: eh?
[02:31:18] <Sasoriza>	or, if you have a page to look at...
[02:31:39] <Sasoriza>	if not, http://rafb.net/paste/
[02:31:43] <derwin>	Chobbit: hopefully I have pointed you in some directions which might help.. and have not lead you too far astray.. :D
[02:32:16] <Chobbit>	derwin: with programing even the oddest tangents are fun to travel~
[02:32:22] <Sasoriza>	templates are actually very simple to intuit, once you understand what function is doing what
[02:34:15] <derwin>	yeah the key is to understand how your data relates to each other, and what the atomic units are
[02:34:41] <derwin>	after that, it's just some syntax weirdness/tweaking, and understanding what things you can and can't nest inside each other, which is not necessarily obvious :)
[02:35:20] <Chobbit>	Sasoriza: The basic data is here http://www.mytrickster.net/wiki/index.php/Monster21#Fanta_Fish  and many pages use the info (obviously this page uses all the info to display the monster), then for each of the locations, a page like: http://www.mytrickster.net/wiki/index.php/Beach_Field_5_-_Sand_Palace is linked to, and if you note, on the page is a link back... however it's changing so that the link back also includes a picture.  T
[02:36:16] <Chobbit>	What I want to do is have the info only recorded once, and each of the pages that uses part of the info to dynamically get it
[02:36:42] <Chobbit>	so that if one piece of info is changed (say the Location) then all other pages would automatically update
[02:36:54] <Chobbit>	instead of going to 50 pages and hardcoding the changes
[02:37:16] <derwin>	that is a perfact case for transclusion and templates :)
[02:37:24] <Chobbit>	This is all very intuitive to me from and OO standpoint, it's just getting the wiki to do what it is I want that i'm having trouble with
[02:37:35] <Chobbit>	sounds like I need to go to transclusion & templates 101 then :D
[02:38:04] <Sasoriza>	right.. so if your template was called "monster", you'd place {{monster}} on each of those 50 pages, along with whatever conditionals you want specified, and then just make changes to the template as needed
[02:38:23] <Sasoriza>	Hmm. "The server at www.mytrickster.net is taking too long to respond."
[02:38:35] <Sasoriza>	And I'm on DSL.
[02:38:37] <Chobbit>	>.>
[02:38:40] <Chobbit>	lol
[02:38:50] <Chobbit>	I say refresh and try again?
[02:39:19] <Chobbit>	i'm currently modifying pages at the moment (going from [[Coin]] to [[Image: Coin.gif]] [[Coin]] )
[02:39:42] <Chobbit>	for each of a thousand items, and repeating for each page >.>;
[02:39:50] <Chobbit>	hence my motivation for finding an alternative
[02:40:38] <derwin>	chobbit, fwiw
[02:40:47] <derwin>	the pages in the mediawiki are pretty flat in the db
[02:41:07] <derwin>	you could probably do some mojo on the stuff in the "pages" table to change all those links in a semi-automated fashion :)
[02:41:18] <Chobbit>	o.O?
[02:41:22] <flyingparchment>	except text is in the 'text' table
[02:41:38] <derwin>	heh, sorry, yes.
[02:42:21] <derwin>	alright, idling off now :)
[02:42:24] <derwin>	good luck, chobbit!
[02:42:27] <Chobbit>	thanks a lot derwin!!
[02:43:37] <Sasoriza>	If I understand correctly... You want the fantafish table to be transcluded onto other pages?
[02:43:49] <hoggwild5>	I'
[02:43:51] <hoggwild5>	I
[02:44:35] <Sasoriza>	(just using that as an example)
[02:45:19] <Chobbit>	well, some pages just use the image and name, other pages just the name, etc
[02:45:51] <Chobbit>	also if possible to have a page that does the ordering be dynamic so it can be ordered by lvl, experience or defence, etc
[02:46:55] <Chobbit>	so... yes?
[02:47:04] <hoggwild5>	I'm getting an error message when I set $wgEmailConfirmToEdit = true in the latest version 1.13alpha SVN download...when it's set to true and an anonymous user tries to create a new account, they get a Permissions error stating "You do not have permission to create new user accounts, for the following reasons:  You must confirm your e-mail address before editing pages.  Please set and...
[02:47:06] <hoggwild5>	...validate your e-mail through your user preferences."  Do I need to do a Bugzilla report on this?
[02:49:17] <Mike_lifeguard>	That sounds to me like a problem with your user rights.
[02:50:01] <Mike_lifeguard>	You must allow all (*) to create accounts without being emailconfirmed
[02:50:37] <Chobbit>	I'm going to bed, thanks for all the help
[02:51:36] <hoggwild5>	I did not change any user rights for (*) other than to set $wgGroupPermission ['*']['edit'] = false and $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createpage'] = false.
[02:52:12] <hoggwild5>	And, I've disabled all extensions and I'm still getting the same message.
[02:55:08] <Mike_lifeguard>	just for the fun of it, try $wgGroupPermissions['*'    ]['createaccount']   = true;
[02:55:20] <hoggwild5>	ok, hang on...
[02:56:30] <CIA-51>	03tstarling * r35524 10/trunk/phase3/languages/Names.php: * No need for a slash yet in hif: variant support has not been implemented for this language, and the Wikipedia edition is only in latin script.
[02:57:31] <hoggwild5>	Mike_lifeguard:  no dice...still get the same error message.
[02:57:55] <hoggwild5>	I think this is a bug....this works with no problem in version 1.11.2.
[03:05:23] <hoggwild5>	?
[03:07:52] <CIA-51>	03aaron * r35525 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/maintenance/ (updateLinks.inc updateLinks.php): Remove orphaned include data too
[03:10:19] <hoggwild5>	:/
[03:22:46] <CIA-51>	03aaron * r35526 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: Remove unused var
[03:27:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) $wgEmailConfirmToEdit is broken... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14324 major; normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (hoggwild5)
[03:29:11] <leonardo>	hi all, i'm not dev but i was discussing with an extension developer about have static window like gmail chat one
[03:29:21] <leonardo>	he said mediawiki do not support ajax
[03:29:35] <leonardo>	the extension is
[03:29:36] <leonardo>	http://www.gizmogarden.com/index.php?title=Ajax_whos_online&diff=1660&oldid=1659
[03:29:41] <leonardo>	is it true?
[03:31:27] <TimStarling>	mediawiki uses ajax in several places
[03:31:29] <Splarka>	mediawiki supports ajax for a limited number of operations in core, but has mostly seamless non-ajax fallbacks 
[03:32:06] <Splarka>	oop *defers to t*
[03:32:18] <TimStarling>	not really ajax actually, XML sucks
[03:32:25] <AaronSchulz_>	:(
[03:32:45] <TimStarling>	the places where we use XmlHttpRequest use either HTML or JSON as an output format
[03:34:44] <leonardo>	ok
[03:36:57] <Splarka>	ajah
[03:38:07] <Splarka>	Tim: what do you think about using less XmlHttpRequest and using more dynamic <script> tag generation? is that supported by as many (or even more?) browsers? (we tested importScript it from IE5.5 to IE8, and many opera, firefox, mozilla)
[03:38:37] <Splarka>	obviously there is a limit to it on a given page, but for things like adding/removing from watchlist it should work once or twice fine
[03:44:57] <CIA-51>	03raymond * r35527 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ImagePage.php: 
[03:44:57] <CIA-51>	* (bug 14146) Wrap usage section on imagepages into <div>s.
[03:44:57] <CIA-51>	Follow up to r35516. Wrap this section to.
[03:45:24] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Replace classes mw-imagepage-duplicates and -linktoimage with ids on image description pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14146  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[03:46:09] <CIA-51>	03tstarling * r35528 10/trunk/extensions/BoardVote/voterList.php: Voter list script
[04:08:01] <Nickle`>	Can someone tell me what this means and how to fix it? http://rafb.net/p/MlWqzD39.html
[04:12:24] <CIA-51>	03tstarling * r35529 10/trunk/extensions/BoardVote/voterList.php: Add edit count, and bot and indefblocked flags.
[04:26:16] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Admin functions for (autoconfirmed) users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14325 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page protection; (millosh)
[04:44:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Deleted tlh.wikt blocks SUL process - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14300  (10spacebirdy)
[04:48:24] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Bot related issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14326 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (millosh)
[04:53:03] *Surfer59 	Visit http://www.FakeMagazineCover.com (upload pic make mag) - http://www.SillyWebcam.com (play with webcam online) - http://www.Is-A-Jerk.com (insulter/anon email) - http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com (fun) - http://www.BodySwitcher.com (put your face on funny body) - http://www.MedChecker.com (health) - http://www.Canuckster.com (Canada eh) - http://www.Nerdful.com (geeks)
[04:53:41] <str4nd>	ban?
[04:57:12] <Pathoschild>	str4nd: no need, if it's a one-time thing.
[04:57:55] <str4nd>	okay
[04:58:07] <Pathoschild>	(Not that I'm an op in this channel anyway.)
[05:01:48] <AaronSchulz>	meh, prolly
[05:05:47] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) User groups - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14327 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (millosh)
[05:20:48] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Ease SVG map's tranlation : better integration of translator-scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14320  +comment (10hugo.lpz)
[05:48:05] <jdownie>	we have a subset of pages in out mediawiki instance that I have put into one category. I would like to come up with a custom search page that takes the user's search string and only searches within those pages. any tips?
[05:48:42] <jdownie>	i can write the form that composes a HTTP GET url, but i don't know hot to limit to one category
[06:04:15] <jdownie>	can anybody help me with my search question?
[06:34:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Rename "be-x-old" to "be-tarask" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9823  +comment (10Gerard.meijssen)
[06:37:55] <CIA-51>	03rotem * r35530 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Update.
[06:40:05] <Titoxd>	so, does anybody mind doing a quick translation commit?
[06:41:01] <Nikerabbit>	Titoxd: about what?
[06:41:15] <Titoxd>	CentralAuth
[06:41:28] <Titoxd>	[[MediaWiki:Newuserlog-autocreate-entry]] in es
[06:42:06] <Titoxd>	it should be "cuenta creada automáticamente"
[06:42:58] <Nikerabbit>	ugh
[06:43:05] <Nikerabbit>	that's newuserlog, not centralauth
[06:43:30] <Nikerabbit>	and it's not translated at all
[06:43:35] <Nikerabbit>	http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ATranslate&task=view&group=ext-newuserlog&language=es&limit=250
[06:44:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  You do not get logged out on the wiki you have logged in if you log out at other project - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14301  +comment (10tstarling)
[06:45:37] <Nikerabbit>	Titoxd: so.. why don't you get your gloves and start translating properly :)
[06:45:45] <Titoxd>	heh
[06:45:49] <Titoxd>	for BetaWiki?
[06:46:26] <Nikerabbit>	in Betawiki for everyone ;)
[06:46:53] <Titoxd>	I saw there's like 40 translators there
[06:47:00] <Titoxd>	is there like a limit or so?
[06:47:26] <Nikerabbit>	nope
[06:47:28] <Nikerabbit>	the fact is
[06:47:41] <Nikerabbit>	spanish localisation is not doing very well: http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Group_statistics
[06:48:12] <Pathoschild>	Nikerabbit: How easy would it be to get translator access to all languages?
[06:48:27] <Nikerabbit>	Pathoschild: what do you mean? :D
[06:48:47] <Titoxd>	eep
[06:50:27] <Nikerabbit>	Titoxd: the activity is pretty low too: http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&namespace=8&trailer=/es&cleanrc=1
[06:50:42] <Pathoschild>	Nikerabbit: So I can edit the messages for any language on translatewiki (for electcom/langcom). For example, we made some changes to boardvote that required updating a link in the messages, which I could easily have done right away. Non-globally, I wouldn't mind translating French occasionally or seeing the message documentation. :)
[06:51:04] <Titoxd>	yeah
[06:51:12] <Titoxd>	that's not that good
[06:51:17] <Titoxd>	so, how do I get started?
[06:51:20] <Nikerabbit>	Pathoschild: there is no technical restrictions once you are a translator
[06:51:40] <Pathoschild>	Ah, so a translator can edit any language?
[06:52:07] <Nikerabbit>	no technical restrictions, as I said
[06:52:10] <Pathoschild>	:D
[06:52:15] *Pathoschild 	wanders off to file a request.
[06:52:22] <Nikerabbit>	Titoxd: from the main page perhaps? http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Main_Page&setlang=es
[06:59:31] <Titoxd>	registered :)
[06:59:48] <Nikerabbit>	saw that :o
[06:59:54] <Titoxd>	what's Special:Magic?
[07:00:23] <Nikerabbit>	for translating other items than messages
[07:02:00] <Titoxd>	ah
[07:05:48] <CIA-51>	03raymond * r35531 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 
[07:05:48] <CIA-51>	* (bug 13826) MediaWiki:Defaultns accepts Wikicode now
[07:05:48] <CIA-51>	** 'Defaultns' moved from the legend of the fieldset into the fieldset as explanation text. Wikisyntax can now be used.
[07:05:48] <CIA-51>	** New message 'prefs-namespaces' for the legend
[07:05:48] <CIA-51>	* Tweak the search options a bit by adding a nice fieldset/legend (new message: 'prefs-searchoptions')
[07:06:26] <Nikerabbit>	Raymond_afk: yay!
[07:06:39] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) MediaWiki:Defaultns should accept Wikicode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13826  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[07:06:51] <Raymond_>	good morning :)
[07:07:34] <Nikerabbit>	Raymond_: hmm looks weird
[07:07:44] <Raymond_>	Nikerabbit: why?
[07:07:53] <Nikerabbit>	Raymond_: maybe because of modern skin
[07:08:46] <Raymond_>	Nikerabbit: hmmm yes.. but same on the date/time tab
[07:09:02] <Nikerabbit>	Raymond_: hmm
[07:09:19] <Nikerabbit>	indeed
[07:09:23] <Raymond_>	why does modern doesn't show a fieldset?
[07:09:31] <Nikerabbit>	no idea
[07:09:37] <Raymond_>	it's used in a lot of places
[07:09:37] <Nikerabbit>	someone should fix it
[07:09:54] <Nikerabbit>	Raymond_: why didn't you use xml::fieldset :)
[07:10:08] <Raymond_>	Nikerabbit: it exists?
[07:10:15] *Raymond_ 	looks
[07:11:32] <Nikerabbit>	Raymond_: I've been adding some shortcuts there once in a while :)
[07:11:35] <Raymond_>	hmm neat... but must be new... not seen before :(
[07:12:35] <Titoxd>	I think I filled up all the paperwork now :)
[07:13:33] <Nikerabbit>	Titoxd: great! if you want to, you can hang in #mediawiki-i18n 
[07:13:54] <Raymond_>	Nikerabbit: #preferences fieldset { margin-top: 0; 	border: none; } in modern/main.css...
[07:14:04] <Raymond_>	let me fiddle a bit
[07:14:09] <Nikerabbit>	Raymond_: cool
[07:16:29] <Duesentrieb>	bah, special:linksearch could really use a namespace filter
[07:17:11] <Raymond_>	Duesentrieb: it has an option but disabled for $misermode = true due to missing index :(
[07:17:29] <Duesentrieb>	uh? index missing on what?
[07:17:36] <Raymond_>	namespace
[07:18:00] <Duesentrieb>	err... but namespace,title is indexed?!
[07:18:23] <Raymond_>	dunno exactly. domas disabled it one year ago
[07:18:27] <Duesentrieb>	ok, it would need to consider two indexes. but is it that bad?
[07:18:31] <Duesentrieb>	hrm
[07:18:39] <Duesentrieb>	he could have added the index instead :P
[07:18:47] <Raymond_>	he could...
[07:19:13] *Duesentrieb 	hacks up a query for the toolserver
[07:25:47] <Titoxd>	so who do I need to poke now to handle requests? ;)
[07:29:49] <Nikerabbit>	Titoxd: hmm anybody hasn't yet?
[07:30:19] <Titoxd>	not on Betawiki:Translator
[07:40:08] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Separator in recent changes list is hardcoded - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5146  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[07:41:23] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35532 10/trunk/phase3/skins/modern/main.css: Bold for ".prefsection legend" after seeing r35531 in action
[07:48:29] <_wooz>	lo
[07:48:40] <Xiong>	ol
[07:50:40] <CIA-51>	03tstarling * r35533 10/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[07:50:40] <CIA-51>	* Fix CentralAuth logout, was mostly broken.
[07:50:40] <CIA-51>	* Allow the image returned by Special:AutoLogin to be customised. Feature in progress.
[07:52:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  You do not get logged out on the wiki you have logged in if you log out at other project - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14301  (10tstarling)
[08:03:43] <ierpe>	hi, im a bit noob with ajax, i made some before, but not with the wiki engine. I read the manual but still can't get it... Could someone redirect me on a good simple example of how to use ajax in mediawiki?
[08:07:26] <Splarka>	ierpe: to retrieve information, or to edit?
[08:08:00] <ierpe>	i am using jQuery and i want to make an onclick editable page
[08:08:16] <ierpe>	so to edit i suppose
[08:09:02] <ierpe>	i would just need couple of simple pages that do it so i can copy from it
[08:09:15] <ierpe>	and edit with db update
[08:09:23] <ierpe>	an*
[08:11:11] <Splarka>	well, first you have to enable API editing, which isn't fully tested...
[08:11:16] <Titoxd>	where is [[MediaWiki:Blockme]] used?
[08:12:09] <Splarka>	then you have to retrieve the page's current data, usually via action=query&prop=revisions&rvprop=content
[08:12:47] <Splarka>	for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&rvprop=content&titles=Foo
[08:13:24] <Splarka>	oh, you also need the timestamp, eg http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&rvprop=content|timestamp&titles=Foo
[08:13:42] <ierpe>	ok
[08:14:13] <Splarka>	you then get an edit token to edit the page, eg http://test.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=info&intoken=edit&titles=Foo
[08:14:41] <ierpe>	see thats what im going for: http://www.appelsiini.net/projects/jeditable
[08:14:47] <ierpe>	http://www.appelsiini.net/projects/jeditable/default.html
[08:15:01] <ierpe>	and like i have to use jQuery libs
[08:15:08] <ierpe>	and it sucks
[08:15:16] <Splarka>	and then... you have the content, timestamp, and a token...
[08:15:32] <ierpe>	yeah thx
[08:15:44] <ierpe>	i know how it should work! ^^
[08:15:52] <Splarka>	and with it, you submit it via action=edit
[08:15:52] <ierpe>	but i need an example
[08:16:03] <Splarka>	(which has to be sent via POST)
[08:16:10] <ierpe>	ok
[08:16:26] <Splarka>	sorry, I don't know of any actual examples doing this..  I haven't tried it yet myself, it is spooky
[08:16:31] <ierpe>	k
[08:16:53] <Splarka>	but it is pretty similar to an ajax edit to a normal action=edit form
[08:17:13] <ierpe>	see the links i copied
[08:17:28] <ierpe>	if you go to "Usage with Textile, Markdown, ReST, WiKi,..."
[08:17:40] <ierpe>	thats my solution there, but i dont get it
[08:19:46] <Splarka>	well, you just make ajax calls to the api.php to get the revision content, timestamp, and token... (can be combined I think), and then submit the data via POST, eg:
[08:19:59] <Splarka>	var postStatReq = new XMLHttpRequest();
[08:20:09] <Splarka>	postStatReq.open('POST', url, true);
[08:20:12] <ierpe>	because what happens when i do it, is that instead of updating the field that was modified, it try to display the page a second time in the page and it crashes
[08:20:31] <Splarka>	postStatReq.setRequestHeader('Method', 'POST ' + url + ' HTTP/1.1'); postStatReq.setRequestHeader('Content-type', 'application/x-www-form-urlencoded'); postStatReq.setRequestHeader('Content-length', data.length);  postStatReq.setRequestHeader('Connection', 'close'); postStatReq.send(data);
[08:21:03] <Splarka>	where data contains all the fields urlencoded
[08:21:10] <ierpe>	cool
[08:21:12] <ierpe>	thx! ^^
[08:21:16] <ierpe>	ill try that now
[08:40:54] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) jsMsg should accept objects as input - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14328 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (codeispoetry)
[08:41:19] <emil^>	hi
[08:41:25] <codeispoetry>	hi
[08:44:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) jsMsg should accept objects as input - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14328   +need-review +patch (10raimond.spekking)
[09:16:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Feature request: page layout templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2187  +comment (10david.mestel)
[09:31:52] <Danny_B>	if i update built-in skin css, is it necessary to set that different number after ? or is it done automatically?
[09:32:26] <Nikerabbit>	uh?
[09:32:37] <Nikerabbit>	is there a number? shouldn't it use $wgStyleVersion
[09:33:33] <CIA-51>	03raymond * r35534 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Tweak message to bit and let it use PLURAL.
[09:34:09] <Raymond_>	Danny_B: bump $wgStyleVersion in DefaultSettings.php
[09:34:20] <Danny_B>	just found it, thanks
[09:44:20] <Tex-Twil>	Hello
[09:44:57] <Tex-Twil>	I would like to set a bold text in a <pre> </pre> section .. is this possible ?
[09:48:58] <derwin>	do you want all of the text to be bold, or some of it?
[09:49:08] <derwin>	<pre> generally disables most markup.. but you can style certain kinds of pres..
[09:54:22] <Nikerabbit>	WTF PHP?!
[09:54:24] <Nikerabbit>	Note: Again, for portability, it is also strongly recommended that you re-write code that uses or relies upon the 't'  mode so that it uses the correct line endings and 'b' mode instead. 
[09:54:48] <Nikerabbit>	why should *I* know what is the correct line ending for the platform?
[09:56:04] <Nikerabbit>	and: If the open fails, the function an error of level E_WARNING is generated. You may use @ to suppress this warning.
[09:56:30] <Nikerabbit>	why theck it needs to throw a warning if I can check the return value?
[10:00:29] <CIA-51>	03danny_b * r35535 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 4 dirs): adding icon to irc:// links created by interwikis ([[irc:]], [[rcirc:]], [[ircrc:]], [[freenode:]])
[10:01:35] <Tex-Twil>	derwin, I just wanted a part of the text to be bold
[10:02:37] <Tex-Twil>	but I found a solution. Instead of using <pre> tag, I just leave a white space in the beginning of the line, this has the same effect as <pre> but the bol italics .. format is preserved
[10:04:41] <Raymond_>	Danny_B: you break with your commit UTF-8 characters
[10:05:11] <Raymond_>	-	 * MSIE on Mac OS 9 is teh sux0r, converts þ to <thorn>, ð to <eth>, Þ to <THORN> and Ð to <ETH>
[10:05:13] <Raymond_>	+	 * MSIE on Mac OS 9 is teh sux0r, converts þ to <thorn>, ð to <eth>, Þ to <THORN> and � to <ETH>
[10:05:22] <Danny_B>	damned
[10:05:57] <Danny_B>	Raymond_: would you mind to fix it, pls?
[10:06:12] <Raymond_>	Danny_B: sure. one moment pls
[10:06:38] *Danny_B 	is submitting from windows which sometimes causes problems :-/
[10:06:48] <Danny_B>	thanks for fix
[10:11:05] <CIA-51>	03raymond * r35536 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: fix from encoding broken by r35535.
[10:11:46] <Danny_B>	Raymond_: so what exactly was wrong pls?
[10:12:30] <Raymond_>	Danny_B: I assume you use an editor with wrong encoding. 
[10:13:23] <Danny_B>	well, my editor supports pretty much all encodings, but i guess i've accidentaly changed it on save
[10:13:38] <Danny_B>	the deal is i don't know for sure from which to which
[10:13:40] <Raymond_>	prolly...
[10:13:52] <Raymond_>	UTF8 without BOM
[10:14:30] <Danny_B>	that's how i was saving it - utf-8 no-bom lf-only
[10:15:00] <Danny_B>	weird, i'll check what happened. thanks for noticing me
[10:26:54] <CIA-51>	03tstarling * r35537 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/ (CentralAuthHooks.php CentralAuthUser.php): 
[10:26:54] <CIA-51>	* Fix for previous commit
[10:26:54] <CIA-51>	* Fixed bug 14308: email authentication timestamp randomly set to the current date
[10:29:42] <CIA-51>	03raymond * r35538 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialSearch.php: 
[10:29:42] <CIA-51>	* Add a h2 header to the begin of the results
[10:29:42] <CIA-51>	* Reduce h2 to h3 for the subheaders (appears in MW standard installations only)
[10:29:42] <CIA-51>	* Looks now better for installations with LuceneSearch too, where a header was missed.
[10:29:43] <CIA-51>	* Improves navigation for screenreaders too (they need headers for a fast navigation by tab)
[11:53:13] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) unmerged username still can be created on unregistered wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14329 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (anon.hui)
[11:56:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) unmerged username still can be created on unregistered wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14329  (10anon.hui)
[12:00:53] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) unmerged username still can be created on unregistered wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14329  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[12:05:19] <xushi>	i seem to have restricted the "discussions" page only to users of the group "user".. how can i allow anonymous read/write to the discussions page?
[12:05:50] <xushi>	is it the `createtalk` ?
[12:09:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) unmerged username still can be created on unregistered wiki, and newly created username is not registered as global - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14329  summary; +comment (10anon.hui)
[12:12:56] <xushi>	i don't get how to only enable anonymous users to discussion edits, not article edits
[12:13:11] <xushi>	while logged in users that are only in the 'user' group can edit articles
[12:18:07] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) local timezone conversion / {{USERTIME}}, {{USERLOCALTIME}} for time formatting / signature time expansion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14286  +comment (10anon.hui)
[12:56:23] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX)  Could it be possible which form I use is depend on which the preload page I choose . - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11384  (10roc.no1)
[13:01:19] *ialex 	waves to Jack_Phoenix
[13:01:26] *Jack_Phoenix 	rars at ialex :)
[13:05:31] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) password on automatic created accounts does not work after sul deletion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14330 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (spacebirdy)
[13:15:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  password on automatic created accounts does not work after sul deletion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14330  (10spacebirdy)
[13:20:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Whitelist ISO/IEC 26300 (OpenDocument) file format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2089  (10ingo.thies)
[13:21:20] <xmasm1>	Hi, is anybody speak Czech in this channel? I would like to ask about how to set up MediaWiki for searching independent on special characters. Thanks
[13:21:54] <xmasm1>	like wikipwdia.cz has :)
[13:21:57] <CIA-51>	03yaron * r35539 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/ (4 files): Added arguments for two new timestamp parameters to sffPrintRedirectForm()
[13:22:17] <CIA-51>	03yaron * r35540 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/ (INSTALL includes/SF_GlobalFunctions.php): New version: 1.2.1
[13:28:05] <CIA-51>	03ialex * r35541 10/trunk/extensions/SiteMatrix/SiteMatrix_body.php: 
[13:28:05] <CIA-51>	Force SiteMatrix to load InitialiseSettings.php to be sure that $wgConf is populated so that checking wgReadOnly and wgReadOnlyFile should work. Currently, closed wikis aren't marked as closed.
[13:28:05] <CIA-51>	Note: $wmgPrivateWikis and $wmgFishbowlWikis should still not be set.
[13:29:51] <CEDL>	Hi, I changed the wiki logo to my own but it only shows on the login/logout page anybody know why?
[13:50:45] <CIA-51>	03rotem * r35542 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Update.
[13:52:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update Extension:BoardVote across site for 2008 election - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14274  normal->high; +comment (10ktc)
[14:08:25] <Danny_B>	anybody with shell access here willing to spend 5 mins on new wiki configuration please?
[14:08:43] <MinuteElectron>	#wikimedia-tech will get better response
[14:08:57] <MinuteElectron>	since there are more sysadmins there
[14:09:10] <Danny_B>	oups, wrong chan
[14:09:11] <Danny_B>	thx
[14:14:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Admin functions for (autoconfirmed) users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14325  (10semenik)
[14:26:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Interwikies sort in phonetic, site defined order (w/ patch) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2867  (10tim)
[14:30:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgEmailConfirmToEdit is broken... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14324  (10hoggwild5)
[14:32:17] <MarkusKroetzsch>	Hi all. When articles are saved, can I trust that LinkUpdates::doUpdate is always called before ArticleSafeComplete?
[14:32:40] <MarkusKroetzsch>	I ask since I need to hook to doUpdate, but wonder whether I still need to hook to ArticleSaveComplete.
[14:43:08] <CIA-51>	03ialex * r35543 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuthHooks.php: E_STRICT
[14:48:42] <AaronSchulz>	13:40, 29 May 2008 IAlex (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Parenting Teens" ‎ (Out of project scope) (restore)
[14:49:08] <AaronSchulz>	I thought most people coming here were looking for that kind of stuff
[14:50:14] <ialex>	O_o
[14:52:48] <xkahn>	hey all.  I'm the original Author of the Glossary extension
[14:53:03] <xkahn>	A version of which was recently checked into SVN
[14:53:20] <xkahn>	Unfortunately, the version that was checked in was quite old
[14:53:48] <xkahn>	And now I'm getting confused email from users
[14:54:08] <AaronSchulz>	not on our SVN
[14:54:16] <xkahn>	Ah.
[14:54:31] <xkahn>	Then I can blow away the "clean up" then.  :)
[14:54:41] <AaronSchulz>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/?sortby=date
[14:55:49] <xkahn>	It was checked into mediawiki.svn.sourceforge.net I see
[14:55:53] <ModemGuru>	Mornin all
[14:56:01] <xkahn>	So that's an independent project
[14:56:07] <flyingparchment>	uh... there is a "mediawiki" project on SF? 
[14:56:08] <xkahn>	Good to know
[14:56:20] <flyingparchment>	(that's not ours; our old SF project was "wikipedia")
[14:56:34] <ModemGuru>	I was wondering if anyone knows of a way to parse something in a template (like you would parse an article) so that I can use a randompages extension in my template itself.  The wikitext call is <randompages limit="10" namespace="true" levels="10" />
[14:56:37] <xkahn>	http://mediawiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/
[14:57:21] *flyingparchment 	wonders who jdupont is
[14:57:37] <mib_h0ksl7>	hey all i just installed mediawiki using php 5.2.4 / apache / mysql and i get a successfull installation with a blank main page
[14:58:02] <mib_h0ksl7>	possible php errors? maybe a new version of php?
[14:58:14] <ialex>	flyingparchment: he's sometimes here
[14:58:22] <xkahn>	Okay.  Can I revert the extension page to an older version?
[14:58:33] <xkahn>	It should be: http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension:Glossary&oldid=180403
[14:58:42] <xkahn>	Instead of http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension:Glossary
[14:58:54] <flyingparchment>	xkahn: go to history, view the revision you want, click 'edit', click 'save'
[15:00:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Feature request: page layout templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2187  (10David.Biesack)
[15:02:28] <ModemGuru>	Anyone have any ideas?  :-)
[15:08:00] <CIA-51>	03mkroetzsch * r35544 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/ (4 files): Minor updates of storage API (some parameters now optional); updated teststore to current API
[15:08:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Change logo on gan.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14331 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (bon_bon123)
[15:09:04] <ModemGuru>	Anyone around who's not afk that I can bug for a second with an extension/parsing/templating question?
[15:09:28] <AaronSchulz>	flyingparchment: wouldn't an extension dev know that? ;)
[15:09:35] <CIA-51>	03mkroetzsch * r35545 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_DataValueFactory.php: define a datatype for redirect special property, relevant for upcoming storage updates
[15:10:46] <ialex>	hello brion
[15:11:21] <ialex>	mib_h0ksl7: check the php error log
[15:11:36] <CIA-51>	03mkroetzsch * r35546 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (SMW_GlobalFunctions.php SMW_Hooks.php): Save data in LinkUpdates-Hook only, ArticleSaveComplete hopefully not required anymore
[15:12:02] <flyingparchment>	AaronSchulz: he di dask ;)
[15:20:52] <ModemGuru>	Anyone around who's not afk that I can bug for a second with a quick extension/parsing/templating question? 
[15:21:19] <Xiong>	i *may* be that person
[15:21:23] <Xiong>	at least i'm not afk
[15:21:29] <Xiong>	don't ask to ask, just ask
[15:21:53] <ModemGuru>	I was wondering if anyone knows of a way to parse something in a template (like you would parse an article) so that I can use a randompages extension in my template itself.  The wikitext call is <randompages limit="10" namespace="true" levels="10" /> 
[15:22:32] <Xiong>	do you wish to transclude the entire content of a random page where this template is used?
[15:22:47] <ModemGuru>	No, just a link to the article
[15:23:05] *Xiong 	fiddles
[15:23:09] <ModemGuru>	Trying to use http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Random_Pages to do it, but that extension is called from an article
[15:23:17] <ModemGuru>	But what I need to do is call it from the template level
[15:25:14] <Xiong>	do you wish to change the function of <randompages> ?
[15:25:41] <Xiong>	pay careful attention to my question
[15:25:58] <Xiong>	do you want to change the usage only?
[15:26:42] <ModemGuru>	I want to be able to use it in skins/MonoSpace.php
[15:26:58] <ModemGuru>	er
[15:27:00] <ModemGuru>	MonoBook
[15:27:01] <ModemGuru>	:)
[15:27:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVG handler uses an "uber-crappy hack" instead of a real XML parser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14268  +comment (10semenik)
[15:27:22] <Xiong>	whoa hoss
[15:27:39] <Xiong>	i work on binary answers to binary questions, almost exclusively
[15:27:43] <flyingparchment>	ModemGuru: are you talking about template pages or the monobook php template?
[15:27:54] <Xiong>	fp: i can fix this
[15:28:03] <Xiong>	i just need straight answers
[15:28:09] <flyingparchment>	i'm sure you can.  it's a public channel
[15:28:21] <Xiong>	modem: do you want to alter the function or the usage?
[15:28:28] <ModemGuru>	The usage
[15:28:33] <Xiong>	fine
[15:28:46] <Xiong>	do you want to alter the wikimarkup used to invoke it?
[15:29:08] <Xiong>	let's try again
[15:29:32] <ModemGuru>	I guess a better question might be "Can I use wikimarkup in a template?"
[15:29:44] <Xiong>	do you want to be able to place <randompages> inside a template and call it using template call syntax?
[15:29:48] <ModemGuru>	Because if so, I'd like to just do that.  If not, I need to figure out how to call the function without wikimarkup
[15:29:54] <ModemGuru>	Yes
[15:29:59] <ModemGuru>	Exactly.
[15:30:23] <Xiong>	{{#tag:randompages|parms}}
[15:30:51] <ModemGuru>	That should be from within <?php ?> tags, correct?
[15:31:15] <Xiong>	no, that is a template call, ordinary wikimarkup in an ordinary wiki page
[15:31:35] <Xiong>	you must have parserfunctions installed; you probably do
[15:32:52] <ModemGuru>	Is ParserFunctions an extension or does it come default?
[15:33:07] <Xiong>	i guess you don't
[15:33:12] <Xiong>	it's an extension
[15:33:16] <Raymond_>	!parserfunctions | ModemGuru 
[15:33:16] --mwbot--	ModemGuru: "Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!).  For help using parser functions, please see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Parser_function>. For details about the extension, see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions>.
[15:33:21] <Xiong>	very useful, quite stable
[15:33:31] <ModemGuru>	Awesome!  Thanks a bunch!
[15:33:56] <Xiong>	there does not, however, seem to be any documentation of {{#tag:
[15:34:57] <Xiong>	i'm using it to encapsulate calls to <flickr>, though, with good results
[15:35:28] <ialex>	{{#tag: is a function from MediaWiki itself, not from an extension
[15:35:38] <Xiong>	really?
[15:35:50] <Xiong>	it has a pf-like syntax
[15:35:59] <Xiong>	where are the docs?
[15:36:10] <ModemGuru>	When I tried using that (without installing parserfunctions) it just showed it as text on the webpage
[15:36:24] <Xiong>	(yeh, i'm not sold)
[15:36:35] <Xiong>	!tag
[15:36:35] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "tag". You might try: !csshideheader !dpl !poem !release !subversion 
[15:36:42] <Xiong>	!#tag
[15:36:42] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "#tag".
[15:37:04] <brion>	we like to think of mediawiki as a self-documenting system... if you can't find any documentation, you have to write it youself! ;)
[15:37:19] <Xiong>	brion you are the one who told me about this
[15:37:24] <Xiong>	and it does work
[15:37:24] <brion>	:)
[15:37:27] <flyingparchment>	ModemGuru: are you talking about template pagesm or the monobook php template?
[15:37:41] <Xiong>	is it part of pf?
[15:38:02] <Xiong>	if so, yes, i'll go scribble in a line on h:pf about #tag
[15:38:05] <ModemGuru>	the monobook php template
[15:38:34] <Xiong>	modem, you are contradicting yourself
[15:38:49] <Xiong>	anyway, monobook.php is part of a skin, not a template
[15:38:56] <Xiong>	worlds apart
[15:39:05] <CIA-51>	03aaron * r35547 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: More diff cleanup
[15:39:13] <ModemGuru>	Ahhh, blah.  Sorry, I want to include it in the skin  (used to most scripts where they call skins templates)
[15:39:27] <flyingparchment>	it actually is called MonoBookTemplate ;)
[15:39:36] <flyingparchment>	probably not the best choice of name
[15:39:51] <ModemGuru>	slightly confusing ;-)
[15:41:17] <Xiong>	i do not see anything called monobooktemplate in the mediawiki install
[15:41:22] <ModemGuru>	Sorry about that.  Is there a way to use the randompages function in the skin itself?
[15:41:36] <Xiong>	no such file exists
[15:41:48] <ModemGuru>	In the /skins/MonoBook.php:
[15:41:51] <ModemGuru>	$this->template  = 'MonoBookTemplate';
[15:42:17] <ModemGuru>	I think that is what he is referring to
[15:44:04] <Xiong>	ah
[15:44:10] <Xiong>	that file does not actually exist
[15:44:41] <eghjaytee>	Does anyone know of an extention or anything else that will allow me to http 301 redirect specific pages?
[15:45:24] <Xiong>	well modem you have officially paddled out into deeper water than i can help
[15:45:35] <ModemGuru>	doh
[15:45:57] <Xiong>	adding content -- as opposed to style -- to a template is risky business
[15:45:59] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Remove rollback link on own edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14332 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (church.of.emacs.ml)
[15:46:22] <Xiong>	adding content that requires the parser and other extensions to work is probably ill-advised
[15:46:29] <Xiong>	but perhaps a guru can help
[15:46:40] <Xiong>	correction
[15:46:49] <Xiong>	adding content -- as opposed to style -- to a *skin* is risky business
[15:47:14] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Remove rollback link on own edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14332  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[15:47:21] <ModemGuru>	Basically, I just want to display random article links in my footer.
[15:47:22] <Xiong>	for instance, i wanted to put adsense on every page
[15:47:27] <ModemGuru>	Is there a way to do that outside of the skin?
[15:47:37] <Xiong>	i hacked into a couple of skins but it was ugly
[15:47:49] <Xiong>	and i had to use the raw code
[15:48:32] <ModemGuru>	Weird, didn't have to change anything about my adsense code when I skinned it..
[15:48:45] <Xiong>	i didn't change anything about it
[15:49:04] <Xiong>	but i didn't get to paste it into a template:adsense page and transclude it, either
[15:49:24] <Xiong>	the only way for me to edit the adsense code is to hack into the skin.php files again
[15:49:25] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Userspace pages should be added to robots.txt list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14333 major; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (kelsington)
[15:49:48] <ModemGuru>	I have no problem with that.  I hacked the skin.php file to bits anyhow ;)
[15:50:18] <Xiong>	offhand, i'd say, you need to copy out the code from extension:random and paste it directly into your skin
[15:51:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Userspace pages should be added to robots.txt list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14333   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[15:51:47] <ModemGuru>	I have no problem with that.  Just need to figure out how to call the function
[15:52:06] <ModemGuru>	The function is function aoRandomPagesHook($text, $params, $parser)
[15:52:50] <ModemGuru>	Do I call it with a <?php aoRandomPagesHook('10', 'true', '10') ?> or something similar?
[15:53:11] <AzaTht>	no one even commonet on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14310 ?
[15:53:35] <ModemGuru>	HTML I can do, but don't know much bout php (I can edit/hack it here and there, but nothing substantial)
[15:57:59] <Xiong>	well
[15:58:08] <Xiong>	you would get it up top, not at bottom
[15:58:34] <Xiong>	but i imagine you could add a template call to mediawiki:sitenotice
[15:59:16] <Xiong>	ah
[15:59:19] <Xiong>	here's what you want:
[15:59:21] <Xiong>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension%3AHeader_Footer
[15:59:33] <ModemGuru>	checking
[16:00:37] <Xiong>	then, if you don't like the exact display you get, you can fiddle with the associated CSS class in each skin
[16:01:08] <Xiong>	note that you have to buy into jean-lou's stubmanager setup for this
[16:02:20] <ModemGuru>	hmm?  stubmanager?
[16:03:03] <Xiong>	jldupont has this scheme
[16:03:34] <Xiong>	he wrote extension:stubmanager (which has nothing to do with article stubs) as a sort of common code repository or framework
[16:03:45] <Xiong>	for a bunch of *other* extensions
[16:03:52] <Xiong>	most of his stuff depends on it
[16:04:08] <Xiong>	i have a philosophical issue with this
[16:04:28] <Xiong>	in order to get the function of one of his extensions, you have to install both
[16:04:59] <Xiong>	now, if you buy in, then subsequent extensions come more cheaply, in theory, because redundant code is eliminated
[16:05:05] <Xiong>	and at some level, i applaud
[16:05:40] <Xiong>	but at the "stupid" level of sysadmin, i think the better installer would quietly throw in this common code *once* if not found
[16:06:01] <Xiong>	suggest you ignore my quibbles
[16:06:31] <ModemGuru>	Will do  :-)  Going to try it out
[16:06:54] <Xiong>	key is simply that ext:hf will let you put pretty much anything you like on "every" page -- and pretty flexible about that, too
[16:07:11] <Xiong>	so you don't have the nightmare of content on every template page, eg
[16:07:41] <Xiong>	hm
[16:07:53] <Xiong>	might could, a fellow could do his adsense this way...
[16:11:41] <ronnyr>	??
[16:11:50] <Xiong>	!!
[16:11:50] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "!". You might try: !blankpage !cms !cooluris !credit !css !dataja !exclamation !export !footer !help !iframe !import !install !mwbot !parserfunctions !shorturl !test !welcome !wg !wikibugs 
[16:12:02] <ronnyr>	I can't ghost
[16:12:10] <flyingparchment>	services are down for an upgrade
[16:12:37] <ronnyr>	I know, didn't think NS would be too.
[16:12:49] <flyingparchment>	nickserv is a part of services :)
[16:13:13] <ronnyr>	I wish I'd have the same knowledge as you, River. I'd be a much better person.
[16:13:40] <flyingparchment>	don't feel bad.  we can't all be as perfect as me
[16:14:06] <ronnyr>	I hope I can get at least a part of your perfectness.
[16:14:24] <CIA-51>	03brion * r35548 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialSearch.php: 
[16:14:26] <CIA-51>	Revert r35538:
[16:14:28] <CIA-51>	* duplicated "Search results" header, looks bad
[16:14:32] <CIA-51>	* <h3> style on title & text subheadings doesn't look as clean; the <h2> has nice dividing lines in MonoBook
[16:15:56] <ModemGuru>	Xiong: You still around?
[16:17:20] <CIA-51>	03brion * r35549 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/parserTests.inc: Clear $wgForeignFileRepos on parser test run. Otherwise some of our test images that are supposed to be missing show up as existing if you have Wikipedia or Commons set up as a foreign repo. :)
[16:17:31] <ronnyr>	River: I am serious. If we had more people with the knowledge base of irc,mediawiki,squid,apache,etc., we'd be much more bugless and/or would have a better technical structure.
[16:17:41] <Xiong>	yes
[16:17:42] <Raymond_>	brion: as you reverted my SpecialSearch tweak: any other suggestion? IMO http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Suche?search=test&fulltext=Volltext needs a header between the first searchfield and the result list
[16:18:32] <Raymond_>	brion: the standard MW installation has a header too (titlematches and contentmatches)
[16:18:53] <brion>	Raymond_: it should have a header indicating matches
[16:19:09] <brion>	make sure it isn't being mistakenly totally removed
[16:19:21] <brion>	(though perhaps a generic header instead of "text" vs "title" specifically)
[16:19:52] <ModemGuru>	nm, I think I may have figured it out.  Having trouble figuring out exactly how to use the extension, but I might have it
[16:20:00] <Raymond_>	brion: thanks. 
[16:22:42] <ModemGuru>	Nope, don't have it after all
[16:23:04] <Xiong>	modem
[16:23:11] <Xiong>	you installed both extensions, yes?
[16:23:11] <ModemGuru>	So I think I'm mixed up on this.  I edited the page:  http://mysite.ext/wiki/MediaWiki:hf-footer to say "this is a test"
[16:23:13] <ModemGuru>	Yes
[16:23:28] <Xiong>	wait
[16:23:45] <ModemGuru>	Then I put a <div class="hf-footer"></div> in my MonoBook.php
[16:23:47] <ModemGuru>	kk?
[16:23:59] <ModemGuru>	I take it I started wrong with the entry edit?
[16:24:12] <Xiong>	delete that page
[16:24:31] <ModemGuru>	k
[16:24:31] <Xiong>	delete that change to monobook.php
[16:25:01] <ModemGuru>	done and done
[16:25:24] <Xiong>	create the page MediaWiki:hf-nsfooter-talk
[16:25:33] <Xiong>	and put some test text in there
[16:25:39] <Xiong>	then view a Talk: namespace page
[16:26:31] <Xiong>	if that doesn't work, you may need to create the page at MediaWiki:hf-nsfooter-TALK
[16:26:53] <Xiong>	it's not clear what jl means by ''namespace name''
[16:27:01] <Xiong>	or how to deal with main namespace
[16:27:07] <mib_h0ksl7>	no help on the blank main page from initial installation eh
[16:27:12] <Xiong>	i think he should have used ns numbers
[16:27:30] <Xiong>	well try it in talk space because that should be pretty straightforward
[16:27:35] <Xiong>	and you can see if you have a handle on it
[16:27:48] <Xiong>	then you can try harder for mainspace
[16:28:11] <Xiong>	you don't need to edit skin at all for this
[16:28:15] <ModemGuru>	Is User_talk considered to be in the talk mainspace?
[16:28:23] <Xiong>	if you do, you'll edit skin.css
[16:28:26] <Xiong>	no
[16:28:30] <ModemGuru>	k
[16:28:37] <Xiong>	it's in the user_talk: namespace
[16:28:48] <Xiong>	!namespace
[16:28:48] --mwbot--	For help with understanding and manipulating namespaces, please consult <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace>. See also !extranamespace
[16:29:05] <Xiong>	suggest you don't go there yet tho
[16:29:34] <Xiong>	create the page i suggested, then see your [[Talk:Main_Page]]
[16:30:05] <ModemGuru>	so mypage.ext/wiki/Talk:Main_Page    ?
[16:30:12] <Xiong>	sorry i can't read
[16:30:20] <Xiong>	For the 'main' namespace, just use blank i.e. no string.
[16:30:33] <ModemGuru>	So just Talk:
[16:30:50] <ModemGuru>	hmm
[16:30:52] <ModemGuru>	Bad Title
[16:31:00] <Xiong>	what is your wiki?
[16:31:19] <Xiong>	link me
[16:36:18] <mib_h0ksl7>	like shouldn't there be a page there telling me to configure my wiki or something
[16:39:07] <CIA-51>	03ialex * r35550 10/trunk/extensions/SiteMatrix/SiteMatrix_body.php: *stab*
[16:46:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Deleted tlh.wikt blocks SUL process - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14300  (10brion)
[16:48:01] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Differentiate entries in Special:Log/newusers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14334 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (spiritia)
[16:51:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please configure more global blacklists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14322  (10brion)
[16:54:25] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) #REDIRECT [[../]] does not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11965  +comment (10brion)
[16:54:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirect to parent page doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6151  +comment (10brion)
[16:55:42] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Perform %nn character, precombined character and other normalisations before rendering a redirect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4917  +comment (10brion)
[16:56:51] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) On redirect pages, "article" tab in top bar should lead to nonredirected page (&redirect=no) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3324  +comment (10brion)
[17:00:39] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) User groups - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14327  +comment (10brion)
[17:01:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) jsMsg should accept DOM objects as input - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14328  summary (10brion)
[17:03:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) unmerged username still can be created on unregistered wiki, and newly created username is not registered as global - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14329  (10brion)
[17:04:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  password on automatic created accounts does not work after sul deletion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14330  (10brion)
[17:06:25] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) some databases are locked; email and password might be out of date - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12097  +comment (10brion)
[17:06:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Deleted tlh.wikt blocks SUL process - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14300  +comment (10brion)
[17:07:20] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Userspace pages should be added to robots.txt list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14333  +comment (10brion)
[17:07:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add user talk namespace of En.Wikipedia to Robots.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13890  +comment (10brion)
[17:26:07] <CIA-51>	03mkroetzsch * r35551 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (SMW_GlobalFunctions.php SMW_Hooks.php jobs/SMW_UpdateJob.php): some code formatting, remove redundant include, minor fixes
[17:26:38] <CIA-51>	03mkroetzsch * r35552 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_Hooks.php: remove unused global
[17:27:38] <tekmosis>	Is there any particular reason users on my wiki would get the following message: "Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still doesn't work, try logging out and logging back in." ??
[17:30:37] <MONK3000>	when (roughly) is 1.13 going to be released?
[17:33:46] <MONK3000>	actually I just want to use the new /includes/CategoryPage.php but simply replacing it doesn't work so I seem to need more files as new functions are used there. So I guess there's no other way to wait for the full release.
[17:33:55] <mmcgrath>	Is there any way to remove the change password fields under a users profile?
[17:36:25] <ialex>	MONK3000: june
[17:37:24] <CIA-51>	03kim * r35553 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/includes/api/ (ApiWikiData.php ApiWikiDataFormatXml.php): 
[17:37:24] <CIA-51>	Updated ApiWikiData to support voctrainer...
[17:37:25] <CIA-51>	This is slightly dirty code still, I'll contact yuri for array format sometime soon.
[17:39:29] <ronnyr__>	argh
[17:43:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Activate Extension:Babel on nds.Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14207  (10robin_1273)
[17:44:25] <CIA-51>	03kim * r35554 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/includes/api/ApiWikiData.php: Erm, and minus the final debugging message now <brown paper bag>
[17:44:48] <CIA-51>	03mkroetzsch * r35555 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/jobs/SMW_UpdateJob.php: 
[17:44:48] <CIA-51>	Make jobs with subparses spare (at least some of) our globals! Passing information between hooks with globals
[17:44:48] <CIA-51>	calls for trouble, but what should we do?
[17:46:04] <tekmosis>	mmcgrath, I believe in /includes/AuthPlugin.php if you set the return value in the allowPasswordChange() function to false it will disallow users to change their passwords.
[17:47:24] <mmcgrath>	tekmosis: will that remove it from the profile or just disallow them when they try?
[17:47:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Feature request: page layout templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2187  (10david.mestel)
[17:48:18] <tekmosis>	mmcgrath, it should take the option out from their profile as well as disable the functionality of it
[17:48:27] <mmcgrath>	excellent, I'll give that a try.
[17:50:27] <CIA-51>	03ialex * r35556 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Title.php): (bug 14324) Creating an account is again possible with set to true
[17:50:57] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) $wgEmailConfirmToEdit is broken... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14324  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[17:52:03] <ialex>	*sigh*, forgot again to escape $
[17:52:18] <tekmosis>	heh
[17:52:41] <MONK3000>	ialex: oh thanks. from 1.12.0rc1 straight to 1.13? :D
[17:53:14] <ialex>	MONK3000: you'll need run update.php
[17:53:53] <MONK3000>	for 1.13? or replacing CategoryPage.php?
[17:54:12] <CIA-51>	03robh * r35557 10/trunk/tools/planet/en/config.ini: updated my blog info
[17:54:19] <CIA-51>	03brion * r35558 10/trunk/extensions/MWSearch/MWSearch.php: 
[17:54:20] <CIA-51>	Return null instead of false from LuceneSearchSet::newFromQuery() on network fetch error.
[17:54:22] <CIA-51>	This'll match the expected behavior for failed searches, avoiding a fatal error in the API search module.
[17:56:58] <ialex>	MONK3000: 1.13
[17:57:42] <tekmosis>	Does anyone have experience, or, insight on wiki farm/wiki family setups? More specifically the issue regarding the database structure. Looking on Manual:Wiki_family the only two ways I see used are individual databases or a single database with table prefixes for each wiki. Neither of these methods are too great with a wiki family of 100~+ wiki's; are there alternatives or which of the two would be the most scalable with ease of ma
[17:57:44] <MONK3000>	jep of course i / it will run update.php
[17:58:39] <ialex>	tekmos: your message was truncated
[17:58:47] <ialex>	*tekmosis
[17:58:56] <tekmosis>	aww, at which point? I'll c&p the part that was cut off :<
[17:59:48] <ialex>	[...] are there alternatives or which of the two would be the most scalable with ease of ma
[18:00:10] <tekmosis>	ease of management kept in mind too (this includes backups as well)
[18:00:58] <xkahn>	ARGH
[18:01:08] <xkahn>	Okay.  I need help with my extension page
[18:01:24] <xkahn>	I'm apparently now in a page war with someone else over my extension
[18:01:32] <xkahn>	I'm totally uninterested in, frankly.
[18:01:46] <xkahn>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension:Glossary&action=history
[18:02:33] <xkahn>	I don't mind making a new extension page
[18:02:44] <xkahn>	But I refuse to play reverts
[18:03:18] <xkahn>	Any advice?
[18:03:28] <xkahn>	Or should I just give up and leave it alone?
[18:03:46] <xkahn>	I'm tired of getting confused email from users
[18:05:23] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Change logo on gan.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14331  +comment (10brion)
[18:07:18] <xkahn>	Bah.  I'll just make a new extension page with the same extension
[18:08:05] <MONK3000>	doesn't look like a real edit war ;)
[18:08:55] <josch>	hrm...
[18:09:12] <xkahn>	MONK3000: it will be if I revert that one
[18:09:26] <josch>	i enabled htmltidy in my local wikipedia mirror
[18:09:36] <josch>	i can see that from a comment in each page
[18:09:36] <xkahn>	Frankly, I imagine this could all get worked out if I could actually find and talk with the other contributors
[18:09:39] <josch>	<!-- Tidy found serious XHTML errors -->
[18:09:43] <josch>	but
[18:09:50] <josch>	the xhtml is still not correct
[18:10:07] <josch>	i enabled htmltidy by using $wgUseTidy = true
[18:10:12] <josch>	am i missing something?
[18:13:45] <MONK3000>	xkahn: cannot help much with advises and even can't understand why normal users are able at all to edit extension pages which clearly belong the author.
[18:14:00] <CIA-51>	03mkroetzsch * r35559 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_SQLStore2.php: new MySQL storage engine for SMW (to be faster, stronger, simpler, cleaner ;), still very incomplete, not enabled yet
[18:14:19] <xkahn>	MONK3000: It's the wiki way.  :)
[18:14:29] <xkahn>	I just wish people would leave contact information
[18:15:04] <xkahn>	Even seeing:  "You suck!  I hate your stupid extension and all that you stand for!" would help me react appropriately
[18:15:17] <CIA-51>	03brion * r35560 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SearchEngine.php: Safety first... none of these *should* fail in an ideal world, but they in fact sometimes do. So.... :D
[18:15:52] <xkahn>	But more likely it's along the lines of:  "Your code isn't working when I try to _X_ and this older version does, so ..."
[18:16:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please configure more global blacklists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14322  (10mike.lifeguard)
[18:16:40] <flyingparchment>	xkahn: is it only 'your' extension?  seems several authors are listed
[18:16:50] <xkahn>	flyingparchment: it was originally my extension
[18:17:07] <xkahn>	flyingparchment: When I went back to the talk page some time later, others had written new versions there
[18:17:31] <xkahn>	flyingparchment: so I tested them all and combined them to get the best behavior that fixed all the issues I saw
[18:17:43] <xkahn>	flyingparchment: I put the new version up, crediting the people who worked on it
[18:18:09] <xkahn>	flyingparchment: then, I re-ported it back to PHP 4 so older versions worked as well
[18:18:16] <dportnoy>	could someone tell me how to create and/or edit wiki pages through extensions? if anyone knows a good tutorial on the topic, that would be appreciated.
[18:18:50] <xkahn>	flyingparchment: then, an old version was checked into sourceforge and the page was modified by another user to point to that version
[18:18:59] <xkahn>	Then users started emailing me.
[18:19:00] <xkahn>	:)
[18:19:47] <xkahn>	Ah well.  Making a new page is probably cleaner
[18:22:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  password on automatic created accounts does not work after sul deletion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14330  (10spacebirdy)
[18:24:42] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Deleted tlh.wikt blocks SUL process - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14300  +comment (10brion)
[18:26:14] <josch>	soo....
[18:26:25] <josch>	any idea what i forgot concerning htmltidy?
[18:29:53] <josch>	i now tried $wgAlwaysUseTidy
[18:30:02] <josch>	it now produces valid xhtml
[18:30:20] <josch>	but it destroys content as instead of a table the table html gets rendered
[18:30:57] <josch>	the table which was destroid was the part of the page not being correct xhtml so this is kinda expected
[18:31:09] <josch>	but this shouldnt happen should it?
[18:32:10] <josch>	whats the difference between wgusetidy and wgalwaysusetidy anyway?
[18:32:29] <josch>	as i can see here http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/CommonSettings.php.html wikipedia only uses wgusetidy
[18:35:47] <josch>	anybody? :(
[18:38:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVG handler uses an "uber-crappy hack" instead of a real XML parser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14268  (10brion)
[18:39:09] <josch>	okay maybe i explain it again
[18:39:09] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35561 10/trunk/extensions/Interwiki/ (3 files): Add $wgAvailableRights and message 'right-interwiki'
[18:39:41] <josch>	the issue i have happens for many articles but i took one article out of them to investigate this
[18:39:57] <josch>	this one article has a table with incorrect xhtml
[18:40:10] <josch>	there are useless closing tags </th></tr>
[18:40:26] <josch>	i expected those kind of errors to be fixed
[18:40:31] <josch>	by htmltidy
[18:40:45] <josch>	but it only fixes up the html when i use wgalwaysusetidy
[18:40:54] <josch>	and then it destroys the table
[18:41:03] <josch>	maybe this is even worse...
[18:43:24] <josch>	i also get <!-- Tidy found serious XHTML errors --> in a lot of places
[18:43:36] <josch>	what is the right way to get right xhtml?
[18:44:13] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Logging in to unified account using API not possible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14335 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (Bryan.TongMinh)
[18:44:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVG handler uses an "uber-crappy hack" instead of a real XML parser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14268  (10brion)
[18:44:49] <josch>	i also observed that i get no different output wether or not i have php5-tidy install from my ubuntu repository
[18:45:15] <josch>	and i see that the xhtml error comment is there a dozen times when i activate to always use tidy
[18:45:24] <josch>	if i dont there is only one of it
[18:47:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  password on automatic created accounts does not work after sul deletion - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14330  15enhancement->major (10jhsoby)
[18:48:57] <josch>	or can you tell me who i could ask about this problem?
[18:49:05] <josch>	have i overread some docs?
[18:49:15] <josch>	what am i missing?
[18:52:33] <AaronSchulz>	siebrand: hmm, 'Translation changes' could be put in the changes special page group
[18:55:58] <josch>	AaronSchulz, is my question too uncommon or something?
[18:56:21] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35562 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (43 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-05-29 20:34 CEST)
[18:57:19] <CIA-51>	03btongminh * r35563 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/User.php includes/api/ApiLogin.php): (bug 14335) Use proper $wgUser methods instead of using $_SESSION
[18:58:33] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Logging in to unified account using API not possible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14335  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[19:01:48] <josch>	maybe i should just shut up and stop asking stupid questions... :(
[19:03:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove rollback link on own edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14332  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[19:03:59] <AaronSchulz>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php?r1=35510&r2=35535&sortby=date
[19:04:00] <AaronSchulz>	lol
[19:07:21] <Raymond_>	AaronSchulz: I fixed this one commit later.
[19:10:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove rollback link on own edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14332  (10N/A)
[19:16:15] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35564 10/trunk/extensions/ (93 files in 92 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-05-29 20:34 CEST)
[19:19:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  password on automatic created accounts does not work after sul deletion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14330  +comment (10lar)
[19:19:59] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Logging in to unified account using API not possible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14335  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[19:23:49] <CIA-51>	03btongminh * r35565 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiLogin.php: Run UserLoginComplete hook from API
[19:24:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Feature request: page layout templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2187  (10David.Biesack)
[19:25:26] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35566 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.i18n.php: Some more fixes
[19:27:04] <jelle>	about user management: can I give some users readonly access, and other users read/write access? or is there only a difference in userrights between admin and normal users?
[19:30:38] <Simetrical>	!userrights | jelle 
[19:30:38] --mwbot--	jelle: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[19:38:25] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Logging in to unified account using API not possible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14335  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[19:38:45] <jelle>	thanks Simetrical , not sure if it does exactly what I want, but I'm reading along.
[19:40:45] <jelle>	can I just add my own group?
[19:42:13] <Simetrical>	jelle, yes, as many as you like.
[19:42:53] <jelle>	should I do this in localsettings.php or am I looking in the wrong direction?
[19:43:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New special page for most wanted images - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13702  +comment (1065s.mg)
[19:46:32] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Remove rollback link on own edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14332  +comment (10matthiasbecker1967)
[19:46:55] <CIA-51>	03simetrical * r35567 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: 
[19:46:55] <CIA-51>	RELEASE-NOTES should have human-readable information about bugs fixed, not
[19:46:55] <CIA-51>	descriptions of the cause only that make it impossible for even developers of
[19:46:55] <CIA-51>	the software to figure out what the problem was without checking the bug report.
[19:48:22] <jlerner>	anyone familiar with the redlink parameter to index.php? 
[19:48:24] <jlerner>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Parameters_to_index.php
[19:48:40] <jlerner>	how does it help to redirect a user, who doesn't have permission to edit the page in question
[19:48:52] <jlerner>	to redirect them to the empty article page
[19:49:04] <jlerner>	i think that still confuses...
[19:49:19] *jlerner 	goes to look for the old conversation about this
[19:50:45] <Splarka>	jlerner: it is a form of "do not bite the newbie", a user shouldn't get a blocked message unless they click the [edit] button
[19:51:17] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Remove rollback link on own edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14332  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[19:51:17] <jlerner>	sure- wouldn't it be even better if the link weren't there in the first place ? for users who don't have permission to edit the non-existent page
[19:51:23] <alnokta>	brion, there?
[19:51:34] <Splarka>	jlerner: that would break caching
[19:51:46] <Splarka>	you couldn't check permissions on every user's view of a page to generate every link
[19:52:05] <CIA-51>	03aaron * r35568 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Add more css levels
[19:52:14] <Splarka>	redlink=1 does it on demand
[19:52:23] <jlerner>	hmm
[19:52:36] <Splarka>	letting pages be static for all anon views
[19:52:58] <Splarka>	you could style all redlinks as plain text if you wanted to
[19:53:11] <Splarka>	a.new {text-decoration:none; color:black;} or such
[19:53:14] <jlerner>	for all users?
[19:53:22] <jlerner>	or just anonymous ones...
[19:53:27] <Splarka>	you could do it in JS to just get anon
[19:53:36] <jlerner>	i did just that on one site - i hope i didn't break caching
[19:53:46] <Splarka>	if(!wgUserName) appendCSS("a.new {text-decoration:none; color:black;}")
[19:53:53] <jlerner>	Splarka: tx
[19:54:08] <Splarka>	although you might need to be more specific than a.new, like #bodyContent
[19:54:20] <Splarka>	and appendCSS is very new (few weeks at most)
[19:54:28] <Splarka>	but that's the general idea
[19:58:05] <jlerner>	Splarka: so if you do the check in PHP - if ( !$wgUser->isLoggedIn() )  - it breaks all caching?
[19:58:59] <Splarka>	well, no... caching doesn't really apply to logged in users
[19:59:22] <Splarka>	because they can change their preferences and such, not least of which is the UI language
[19:59:44] <Wiredtape>	anyone know if #if parserfunction can check for boolean true? (or any other parser function?)
[19:59:58] <Wiredtape>	specifically i want to check for "checkbox" form element = true
[20:00:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove rollback link on own edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14332  +comment (10dan_the_man)
[20:01:20] <Splarka>	Wiredtape? where does a checkbox checked value intersect wikicode?
[20:02:39] *jlerner 	needs to learn more about MediaWiki caching
[20:03:00] <Wiredtape>	Splarka, in semanticforms... there is a way to auto-generate articles based on forms... 
[20:03:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove rollback link on own edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14332  (10roan.kattouw)
[20:03:33] <Splarka>	ew
[20:03:57] <Wiredtape>	Splarka, specifically I want a conditional statement to check for a "true" boolean property (semantic property)
[20:04:29] <Splarka>	well it depends on what sf returns
[20:04:57] <Wiredtape>	Splarka, right, but for now, I'm only interested in ParserFunctions #if... does it have a boolean option?
[20:04:58] <Splarka>	if it returns plain text, then #ifeq:whatever|true, if it returns an integer.. #ifexpr...
[20:05:03] <Splarka>	erm
[20:05:09] <Splarka>	#if ONLY checks for nullity
[20:05:22] <Splarka>	so if you're only interested in #if, you're only interested in nullity
[20:05:45] <Simetrical>	"The following 200 pages are in this category, out of 512 total."
[20:05:45] <Wiredtape>	well.. i'm interested in any parserfunction that can check true/false
[20:05:49] <Simetrical>	On [[en:Category:Non-free media]].
[20:05:50] *Simetrical 	sighs
[20:06:02] <Simetrical>	Why do things have to be so stupid sometimes?
[20:06:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove rollback link on own edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14332  (10JSchulz_4587)
[20:06:29] <alnokta>	it is a fact of life 
[20:06:39] <Wiredtape>	i agree with alnokta...
[20:06:48] <Splarka>	Wiredtape, well it depends what *kind* of true or false is returned
[20:06:53] <Splarka>	which is limited in wikicode/html
[20:07:03] <Simetrical>	There are more than that that just begin with non-alphanumeric characters.
[20:07:13] <Splarka>	what happens on the naked expression? true? "true"? -1? 0?
[20:07:18] <Wiredtape>	Splarka, yeah, i know :) 
[20:07:20] <Simetrical>	In fact, more that begin with characters that ASCIIbetically sort before alphanumerics.
[20:07:53] <Wiredtape>	Splarka, it should correspond to php true/false... with a parser function just sending a form input to the server and getting a response..
[20:07:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove rollback link on own edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14332  (10matthiasbecker1967)
[20:08:16] <Wiredtape>	which would mean: true, 1 = TRUE and false, 0 = FALSE
[20:10:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove rollback link on own edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14332  (10N/A)
[20:10:45] <jelle>	if I set conflicting permissions for two groups ('emailconfirmed' and 'readonlyusers') , which will be used? does the order in localsettings matter?
[20:11:37] <Simetrical>	jelle, the user will get the permission if any of their groups has it.
[20:11:38] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Remove rollback link on own edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14332  +comment (10matthiasbecker1967)
[20:12:11] <Splarka>	14332 looks to be a fun wheelwar eh
[20:13:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New special page listing missing files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13702  summary; +comment (10danny_b)
[20:13:59] <Splarka>	.mw-rollback-link a[href*="from=Splarka"] {display:none;}
[20:14:06] <Simetrical>	Splarka, it's not a wheel war if one side is unprivileged.  :P
[20:14:15] <ialex>	Splarka: one against all devs :)
[20:15:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove rollback link on own edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14332  +comment (10herd)
[20:15:53] <Splarka>	WFM
[20:16:22] <Jack_Phoenix>	Splarka: the above? looks like WTF to me, honestly :P
[20:16:27] <Jack_Phoenix>	(also, hi ;-)
[20:16:34] <Simetrical>	Splarka, what about if you want to rollback SplarkaClone?
[20:16:46] <flyingparchment>	i revert my own edits all the time
[20:16:53] <Splarka>	"from=Splarka&"
[20:16:53] <jelle>	Simetrical: clear. thanks.
[20:16:56] <flyingparchment>	well, not all the time, but whenever i make a mistake
[20:16:58] <Splarka>	but I wouldn't be stupid enough to use this class
[20:17:03] <Splarka>	I roll myself back too
[20:17:14] <Jack_Phoenix>	me too...who doesn't, honestly?
[20:17:19] <Splarka>	this one guy, Jack
[20:17:28] *ialex 	too, when purging copyright violations
[20:18:02] <Splarka>	object with class "mw-rollback-link" and descendant tag type <a> with parameter href containing string "from=Splarka" (not "with love")
[20:18:11] <Splarka>	CSS 3 though
[20:18:22] <Splarka>	but Mozilla has supported it for at least 5 years
[20:18:36] <Jack_Phoenix>	we'll see about IE when IE8 comes out ;-)
[20:19:49] <ialex>	mark as WONTFIX, and say "Do not reopen"
[20:19:52] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Remove rollback link on own edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14332  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[20:20:21] <Simetrical>	ialex, did.
[20:21:01] <alnokta>	is there a website that generates cvs?
[20:22:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove rollback link on own edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14332  (10semenik)
[20:23:17] <CIA-51>	03vyznev * r35569 10/trunk/extensions/TitleBlacklist/TitleBlacklist.list.php: Disallow angle brackets within options, to avoid breaking regexps which contain '<'.
[20:32:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Something Strange with SVG - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14336 04CRIT; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (dasch_87)
[20:36:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Something Strange with SVG - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14336  04CRIT->normal (10brion)
[20:38:48] <Dantman>	^_^ Don't you just love this reply: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14332#c11
[20:39:39] <Dantman>	He starts off trying to argue against reverting your own edits... and says that it does make sense to rollback yourself on talkpages... heh
[20:39:44] <Dantman>	he contradicted himself
[20:40:01] <brion>	zing
[20:41:05] <AaronSchulz>	brion!
[20:41:30] <alnokta>	brion, what do you think of that? http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%AE%D8%AF%D9%85:AhmadSherif/ActivateExIcons 
[20:41:48] <Dantman>	btw, brion... Did you hear about crucially getting Varnish working with MW in place of Squid, for the most part...?
[20:42:39] <alnokta>	Dantman, that bug report needs protection :P
[20:42:45] <Dantman>	heh
[20:43:02] <Dantman>	Now if only mediazilla had a developers group like Mantis
[20:43:46] <Simetrical>	Dantman, well, it could.
[20:43:49] <Simetrical>	But nobody bothers.
[20:43:54] <Simetrical>	There are a couple of admins, that's it.
[20:44:02] <Simetrical>	After all, everyone has editbugs, so not much else to give out.
[20:44:08] <Dantman>	mhmm
[20:44:29] *Simetrical 	is going to get editbugs on bugzilla.mozilla.org one of these days!
[20:45:03] <Dantman>	The only think I dislike about mantis is the the use of child/parent instead of depends/blocks... Though, if you really wanted to, you could tweak that...
[20:45:56] <Dantman>	Custom fields even
[20:46:24] <alnokta>	isn't that like lang strings?
[20:46:29] <DIFTOW>	hi
[20:46:36] <alnokta>	(for easy changing}
[20:46:44] <alnokta>	hi DIFTOW 
[20:46:45] <DIFTOW>	my php files are .php5 due to my server
[20:46:53] <DIFTOW>	and i set up short url thing so that all links would be
[20:47:01] <Dantman>	The custom fields?
[20:47:04] <DIFTOW>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki
[20:47:16] <DIFTOW>	like it is there
[20:47:31] <DIFTOW>	as opposed to /index.php5?title=Main_Page
[20:47:36] <alnokta>	dant : the patent/child thing
[20:47:45] <DIFTOW>	but problem is, the file extension is .php5
[20:47:47] <alnokta>	NicDumZ|Zzz, sleeping early?
[20:47:54] <DIFTOW>	and it doesnt load automatically
[20:48:12] <DIFTOW>	if you go to the folder where my wiki is located, it wont come up automatically, because php5 extension
[20:48:19] <DIFTOW>	if the extension was .php, it would
[20:48:23] <DIFTOW>	how do i fix this?
[20:48:29] <NicDumZ|Zzz>	NicDumZ|Zzz, 11pm here, not-so-early and yes I have work to do tomorrow :)
[20:48:40] <NicDumZ|Zzz>	alnokta, ^
[20:48:45] <alnokta>	nightie :)
[20:48:53] <NicDumZ|Zzz>	see, I'm already too tired, I mix up names :)
[20:48:58] <DIFTOW>	is it possible to make the extensions just PHP while keeping it PHP5? Or is it possible to make it so PHP5 extensions load up auto?
[20:49:00] <alnokta>	yes
[20:49:10] <CIA-51>	03rainman * r35570 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/SearchEngine.php): 
[20:49:10] <CIA-51>	(bug 13034) can again use Go button to go to interwiki pages.
[20:49:10] <CIA-51>	Couldn't figure out what broke it in the first place however
[20:49:28] <Dantman>	Simetrical: Though perhaps, if we gave out developers groups, we could assign rights for creating components inside of the MediaWiki extensions projects... Then we wouldn't need to request additions for different extensions... It might even draw a few more people into having their extensions in SVN so they can match it up with MediaWiki's bugtracking to...
[20:50:01] <DIFTOW>	If it means anything, ive been trying for more than 24 hours to figure this out
[20:50:34] <DIFTOW>	and its been nothing but confusion
[20:50:42] <DIFTOW>	Can someone please just help me
[20:50:55] <Dantman>	DIFTOW: What did you use for setting up short urls?
[20:50:56] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) interwiki shortcuts on search is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13034  +comment (10rainman)
[20:51:20] <DIFTOW>	I added this to the localsettings
[20:51:20] <DIFTOW>	$wgScriptPath = '/w';         # Path to the actual files. This should already be there
[20:51:21] <DIFTOW>	$wgArticlePath = '/wiki/$1';  # Virtual path. This directory MUST be different from the one used in $wgScriptPath
[20:51:21] <DIFTOW>	$wgUsePathInfo = true;
[20:51:50] <Skizzerz>	!shorturl | DIFTOW 
[20:51:50] --mwbot--	DIFTOW: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[20:52:12] <DIFTOW>	I used that page
[20:52:17] <Skizzerz>	ok...
[20:52:26] <DIFTOW>	what do you want me to do, re do what i already did?
[20:52:29] <Skizzerz>	did you set up a .htaccess and/or an apache redirect?
[20:53:03] <Dantman>	You're also going to need to set $wgScriptExtension = '.php5';
[20:53:55] <DIFTOW>	i think that is set up already
[20:54:11] <DIFTOW>	$wgScriptPath       = "/w";
[20:54:11] <DIFTOW>	$wgScriptExtension  = ".php5";
[20:54:22] <DIFTOW>	and, my hosting is paid for, i dont own the server
[20:54:36] <DIFTOW>	so this whole apache thing doesnt sound like something i have access to.
[20:54:42] <DIFTOW>	so htaccess
[20:55:08] <Xiong>	you may very well be able to write .htaccess
[20:55:13] <Xiong>	or not
[20:55:21] <Xiong>	easiest way to find out is to try it
[20:55:24] <DIFTOW>	well, i have other .htaccess files
[20:55:33] <DIFTOW>	i assume if those exist 
[20:55:39] <DIFTOW>	then i can add more, lol
[20:56:04] <Xiong>	i got good short urls on a freehost
[20:56:18] <alnokta>	Simetrical, what do you think? [since bri on is busy] .. http://alnokta.arablug.org/rtlpatch.patch
[20:56:21] <Xiong>	although that's the exception
[20:56:58] <DIFTOW>	so what goes in the .htaccess file?
[20:57:23] <Xiong>	dantman, sorry, are you handling this?
[20:57:32] <Xiong>	or i will tell dif what i did
[20:57:41] <Dantman>	I don't do .htaccess short urls
[20:57:48] <Xiong>	fine
[20:57:57] <Xiong>	dif, i will point you the right way
[20:57:57] <Dantman>	My Short-url genious comes on nginx
[20:58:02] <Xiong>	or at least, a way
[20:58:09] <Xiong>	wait 1
[20:58:19] <alnokta>	nginx mediawiki 
[20:58:24] <Dantman>	alnokta: Custom field "Foo" http://bugs.nadir-point.com/view.php?id=3
[20:58:40] <DIFTOW>	ok so
[20:58:45] <DIFTOW>	what does silence mean
[20:58:52] <DIFTOW>	that i put nothing in it
[20:58:55] <Skizzerz>	DIFTOW: the methods are on the page that I linked you to earlier
[20:59:33] <alnokta>	Dantman, ah 
[20:59:35] <Dantman>	alnokta: Yup... I have nginx with MediaWiki working using action paths
[20:59:53] <Xiong>	do this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access
[21:00:14] <Simetrical>	alnokta, rtl.css should die.  Nobody remembers to maintain it.  Using .rtl #bodyContent in main.css seems more profitable.
[21:00:17] <alnokta>	Dantman, i didn't think it would work with it
[21:00:20] <Xiong>	if you are on shared virtual hosting and you can write .htaccess, that will work fine
[21:00:46] <Xiong>	also, easy to do
[21:01:14] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Can't delete images with postgres backend - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14337 major; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (reallifesim)
[21:01:15] <Dantman>	alnokta: ^_^ If you use my trick... And trust me, it's beautifull, It's not even an ugly hack... http://wiki-tools.com/formedit/Infobox:WikiVid
[21:03:41] <alnokta>	Dantman, it seems to run very fast
[21:03:50] <Dantman>	Oooohh... that's good
[21:04:02] <Dantman>	^_^ I've got SMW enabled even
[21:04:06] <alnokta>	AhmadSherif, did you read what Simetrical  said?
[21:04:14] <Dantman>	Memcached is a beauty
[21:04:26] <AhmadSherif>	alnokta, yes
[21:04:52] <alnokta>	Dantman, but memcached slows it than using eaccelerator ?
[21:05:03] <Dantman>	Eh?
[21:05:18] <Dantman>	Well I'm using eAccelerator for an optcode cache of course
[21:05:25] <Dantman>	memcached for caching in MediaWiki
[21:05:58] <alnokta>	both? i try one at a time ;)
[21:06:09] <Dantman>	They have different purposes
[21:06:28] <Dantman>	eAccelerator caches compiled PHP so that it doesn't get recompiled on each view
[21:07:00] <Dantman>	memcached is a storage cache MediaWiki uses to cache various things it doesn't need to query for all the time
[21:07:16] <AaronSchulz>	why do diffs have rollback links for uneditable pages?
[21:07:26] <Dantman>	I don't like using the storage parts of optcode cache's like eAccelerator
[21:07:43] *alnokta 	hates captchas 
[21:07:54] <Dantman>	It could use a little tweaking ya
[21:08:20] <Dantman>	I just don't have a public userbase, so I haven't gotten any tips to help me pick out what settings to use
[21:08:29] <alnokta>	http://wiki-tools.com/wiki/Wiki-Tools:General_disclaimer
[21:08:58] <Dantman>	Meh...
[21:09:21] <Dantman>	Well... actually it's not enabled for editing
[21:09:39] <alnokta>	it was taking sometime to save, it was preparing me a captcha :(
[21:10:07] <Dantman>	Primarily link adding, page creation, and I also added a little trick to give a captcha when someone trys to blank a page
[21:10:53] <Dantman>	I'll probably pull out the captcha on page creation for community wiki... But for these wiki, it's not something random people need to do... So, captcha
[21:11:43] <alnokta>	it doesn't say in recent chnage s that a page was created
[21:11:59] <Splarka>	AaronSchulz: probably because no one figured there'd be anyone with 'rollback' that didn't also have 'protect' (and protection levels above the group with 'protect' are silly), no?
[21:12:15] <Splarka>	assumptions for the lose
[21:12:19] <JordanC>	Hey there folks - in mediawiki templates, are you able to perform integer operations like subtraction, multiplication and so on?
[21:12:27] <Simetrical>	!parserfunctions | JordanC 
[21:12:27] --mwbot--	JordanC: "Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!).  For help using parser functions, please see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Parser_function>. For details about the extension, see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions>.
[21:12:30] <Dantman>	alnokta: Items in RC dissapear when a page is deleted
[21:12:33] <JordanC>	Thanks very much Simetrical
[21:12:53] <Jack_Phoenix>	Dantman: fun...Special:LinkedVideos shows under "other special pages" but whenever I click on it, I get "No such special page" error :/
[21:12:54] <JordanC>	I've not used MediaWiki for a while, so I'm a bit rusty :)_
[21:13:32] <Dantman>	alnokta: Using optcode caches like eAccelerator instead of memcached for MediaWiki's caches also limits you to a single server...
[21:13:44] <Dantman>	Jack_Phoenix: Hmmm
[21:14:23] <Jack_Phoenix>	MW 1.13alpha (r35543), PHP 5.2.4, MySQL 5.0.51
[21:14:23] <CIA-51>	03aaron * r35571 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DifferenceEngine.php: Don't temp users with rollback links to uneditable pages
[21:14:33] <Dantman>	O_o wait... didn't I add those to the media section
[21:14:50] <Jack_Phoenix>	according to your svn, you did
[21:14:51] <JordanC>	Hmm, Simetrical - are there ways of comparing dates within a template?
[21:14:52] <alnokta>	Dantman, but if you are already limited :) [like on dreamhost]
[21:15:03] <AaronSchulz>	grrr, *temp
[21:15:09] <Dantman>	Meh...
[21:15:10] <AaronSchulz>	*temp/tempt
[21:15:10] <Jack_Phoenix>	Export pages 
[21:15:11] <Jack_Phoenix>	Linked Videos List 
[21:15:11] <Jack_Phoenix>	List redirects 
[21:15:16] <JordanC>	I've checked the page you gave, which was helpful indeed - but just wanted a little further clarification :)
[21:15:16] <Jack_Phoenix>	under "other special pages"
[21:15:26] <Simetrical>	JordanC, try looking at the #date function.
[21:15:31] <Jack_Phoenix>	likewise, Special:LinkVideo is busted too
[21:15:32] <JordanC>	Thank you
[21:15:33] <Dantman>	IMHO you can't make use of MW's real potential without at least a VPS
[21:16:05] <Simetrical>	AaronSchulz, we need proper checking in userCan( 'rollback' ).  Currently we repeat a check for userCan( 'edit' ) everywhere manually, which is teh suck.
[21:16:07] <Dantman>	Hmm... wait... Maybe this has something to do with my recent standards fixes, and switching to autoloads
[21:16:18] <Splarka>	JordanC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Age for a working example
[21:16:36] <JordanC>	Splarka: I'll check if my way works first, then if it doesn't I'll check that
[21:16:40] <AaronSchulz>	Simetrical: maybe I should have just edited userCan ?
[21:16:48] <AaronSchulz>	have it require 'edit' there
[21:16:56] <Simetrical>	AaronSchulz, yes, and then remove all the bloody duplication elsewhere.
[21:17:02] <Splarka>	(although that just uses #ifexpr...)
[21:17:08] <AaronSchulz>	sounds like a job for simetrical ;)
[21:17:09] <Splarka>	(er #expr)
[21:17:16] <DIFTOW>	How do I make a .php5 extension display automatically when you access the directory its in?
[21:17:22] <DIFTOW>	such as index.php5
[21:17:39] <Simetrical>	DIFTOW, you mean like going to yoursite.com/w/ should redirect to w/index.php5?
[21:17:42] <DIFTOW>	Because index.php5 will not display automatically like index.php or index.html would. You have to actually type in the full URL
[21:17:44] <Xiong>	(better answer him now before he gets even angrier)
[21:17:45] <Simetrical>	DIFTOW, what web server, Apache?
[21:17:47] <DIFTOW>	yes
[21:17:56] <DIFTOW>	Actually, im not sure what kind of web server
[21:18:29] <DIFTOW>	How would I determine that, because i dont have access to this server other than FTP, MySQL and a control panel via my hosts website
[21:18:40] <Simetrical>	DIFTOW, can you link to your site?
[21:18:45] <DIFTOW>	yes
[21:18:50] <DIFTOW>	jurassicparkmod.com is the site
[21:19:04] <Simetrical>	(Man, I love all the wacky websites people come in here with.)
[21:19:08] <DIFTOW>	http://jurassicparkmod.com/w/index.php5?title=Main_Page is the wiki in question
[21:19:16] <Simetrical>	Server	Apache/1.3.34 Ben-SSL/1.55
[21:19:23] <Simetrical>	Do you have a .htaccess file?
[21:19:36] <Dantman>	Jack_Phoenix: Special pages fixed... Some of the strings had a 'Special' at the start that didn't belong there... Though I need to add in some wfLoadExtensionMessages to get the i18n stuff in.
[21:19:38] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Rollback has link to rollback in diff when not editrights to page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14155  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[21:19:47] <Jack_Phoenix>	whee
[21:20:13] <DIFTOW>	i did
[21:20:24] <DIFTOW>	but i just now realized that the .htaccess file was blocking my splash page from loading
[21:20:30] <DIFTOW>	cause i was told to move it to my root directory
[21:20:50] <DIFTOW>	So i moved it back into the /w/ directory where the wiki is located
[21:21:00] <Simetrical>	DIFTOW, try adding this to your .htaccess on a line of its own, at the bottom: DirectoryIndex index.php5 index.php index.html
[21:21:18] <Simetrical>	That will tell it to look for the files in that order when told to open a directory.
[21:22:08] <Simetrical>	Or should.
[21:22:10] <Jack_Phoenix>	Dantman:     global $wgMessageCache, $wgParser, $wgHooks, $wgExtraNamespaces, $wgScriptPath;
[21:22:10] <Jack_Phoenix>	 -- you could probably remove the $wgMessageCache declaration too, as that's not needed when using wfLoadExtensionMessages(); ..I'll try to work on Finnish i18n some day ;-)
[21:22:11] <Simetrical>	You might try asking in #apache.
[21:22:38] <Dantman>	i18n fixed... I'll do the minor cleanup now
[21:22:46] <alnokta>	they don't like people thrown to them :P
[21:23:01] <DIFTOW>	i added that to the .htaccess
[21:23:10] <DIFTOW>	no luck
[21:23:58] <alnokta>	whats wrong in long urls alnokta don't know
[21:24:08] <DIFTOW>	well lets see
[21:24:13] <DIFTOW>	if someone comes to my site
[21:24:16] <DIFTOW>	they have to type
[21:24:23] <DIFTOW>	jurassicparkmod.com/INDEX.PHP5
[21:24:36] <DIFTOW>	unless i create a splash page that goes directly to that page for them
[21:24:53] <DIFTOW>	its quite a bitch
[21:25:11] <DIFTOW>	id rather not use php5 and just use 4
[21:25:26] <Dantman>	Eww noooo... php4 has reached end of life
[21:25:41] <Jack_Phoenix>	php4 is gross...you can't have anything modern with it
[21:25:42] <DIFTOW>	well, mediawiki is not as complicated as extracting firmware in linux
[21:25:46] <DIFTOW>	cause thats the last time i was this confused
[21:25:51] <Jack_Phoenix>	you need php 5 for MW 1.7+
[21:25:56] <Dantman>	It's ugly for development, and pretty soon it's going to be insecure
[21:26:18] <DIFTOW>	i can install any forum, any CMS, no issue no confusion. Mediawiki.. issues. Perhaps its just my server that it doesnt like
[21:26:24] <Dantman>	well, in the fact they aren't going to be releasing security fixes one of these days
[21:26:40] <Jack_Phoenix>	Dantman: btw, just out of curiosity...are you gonna give outsiders commit access to your svn repo too? ^_^
[21:26:51] <DIFTOW>	But motivation to do something like this quickly drains when you are constantly discouraged
[21:26:52] *Jack_Phoenix 	would love to add this Finnish i18n to WikiVid before it gets forgotten...again
[21:27:10] <DIFTOW>	Its not like im modding the damn mediawiki, im trying to get it to just function like any normal wiki
[21:27:29] <Dantman>	Yes... once I tweak it properly so that people can only use SVN, that's the one thing I haven't worked on stopping that
[21:28:06] <DIFTOW>	Well if mediawiki is not going to work, then perhaps there is a way that you can help
[21:28:27] <Dantman>	T_T I wish php had lambda functions like cl
[21:28:41] <DIFTOW>	My site has to display 3 things on its front page. The last 5 posts of the forum, news, and a random spotlight article
[21:28:55] <DIFTOW>	Obviously I need a database for this sort of thing, a basic CMS atleast.
[21:29:22] <DIFTOW>	MediaWiki seemed like the best answer, but if it can't work, I need an alternative
[21:29:47] <Dantman>	ack...
[21:30:01] <Simetrical>	DIFTOW, MediaWiki is not a CMS, don't try to use it like one.  Only use MediaWiki if you want a wiki, i.e., something that a large number of people can edit.
[21:30:21] <DIFTOW>	I like the way mediawiki works
[21:30:21] <Simetrical>	For a CMS, try looking over the possibilities in various web comparisons.
[21:30:35] <DIFTOW>	the programs that are actually classified as CMS, suck balls
[21:30:40] <DIFTOW>	and i tried that free one Joomla
[21:30:47] <DIFTOW>	holy shit was that a horrible CMS D:
[21:31:05] <DIFTOW>	The programmer must have been on some really heavy drugs
[21:31:51] <DIFTOW>	But I wanted to be able to have an encyclopedia in my database, mediawiki is the only one that does that neatly
[21:32:15] <alnokta>	Simetrical, mw is easier than most cmses 
[21:32:23] <DIFTOW>	exactly
[21:32:37] <DIFTOW>	and it is obvious what it is capable of. Look at the front page of wikipedia.
[21:32:46] <DIFTOW>	They have all kinds of tables of information.
[21:33:10] <alnokta>	and the install process cannot get any easier
[21:33:21] <DIFTOW>	well
[21:33:26] <DIFTOW>	i installed it properly, and it was easy
[21:33:37] <DIFTOW>	the install process into the problem
[21:33:49] <DIFTOW>	isnt*
[21:34:00] <DIFTOW>	Its the PHP5 extension, created because of the server.
[21:34:08] <alnokta>	fix the server then
[21:34:18] <DIFTOW>	How am I supposed to do that?
[21:34:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) by default, every user should see the newest revision at german wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14306  (10Complexwikipedia)
[21:34:28] <alnokta>	or learn how to use rewrite rules
[21:34:35] <Simetrical>	DIFTOW, what's in your web root directory?
[21:34:52] <DIFTOW>	My webroot directory does not have the stuff like public_html and such
[21:34:57] <DIFTOW>	im restricted basically
[21:35:29] <DIFTOW>	I pay to have my site hosted on a server by some company
[21:35:49] <DIFTOW>	So they have the access to advanced controls of the server, not me
[21:36:02] <alnokta>	thats most shared hosts
[21:36:04] <DIFTOW>	Is it possible for a file to be created in the directory of the wiki.. that says in .PHP file is PHP 5?
[21:36:15] <DIFTOW>	because if so, i could revert the file extensions back to .PHP
[21:36:23] <DIFTOW>	which would allow them to load properly in the browser :O
[21:36:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Deleting image larger than 32767 bytes fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14338 major; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (reallifesim)
[21:36:36] <DIFTOW>	I hope I'm not dreaming too much here :O
[21:38:11] *AaronSchulz 	lols at b 14338
[21:38:23] <DIFTOW>	damn this provider for having too much legacy support
[21:40:16] <Simetrical>	DIFTOW, your web root is the directory that corresponds to 
[21:40:28] <DIFTOW>	you know what
[21:40:31] <Simetrical>	DIFTOW, your web root is the filesystem directory that corresponds to the contents of http://jurassicparkmod.com/.  What's there?  Your wiki?
[21:40:32] <DIFTOW>	i think i know what the problem is
[21:40:37] <DIFTOW>	no
[21:40:41] <DIFTOW>	jurassicparkmod.com/w/
[21:40:48] <Simetrical>	Okay.
[21:40:50] <DIFTOW>	there is an index.php file with the index.php5
[21:40:57] <DIFTOW>	i bet that is the problem
[21:41:01] <CIA-51>	03aaron * r35572 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: It helps not to force the wrong index
[21:41:12] <DIFTOW>	nope
[21:41:20] <DIFTOW>	cant remove that
[21:41:29] <Simetrical>	Whoa, wait, it works onew.
[21:41:30] <Simetrical>	now.
[21:41:49] <DIFTOW>	yeah because i got rid of that htaccess and the localsettings shit
[21:41:55] <DIFTOW>	i reverted back before the short url garbage
[21:41:59] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35573 10/trunk/extensions/Nuke/SpecialNuke.i18n.php: Add mesage 'right-nuke'
[21:42:12] <DIFTOW>	but, i think the reason the directory doesnt load the index file
[21:42:18] <DIFTOW>	is because its loading index.php instead of index.php5
[21:42:38] <DIFTOW>	and no shit, of course its going to load that first
[21:42:55] <DIFTOW>	so wtf is that index.php file doing with the index.php5 file? wtf man, thats stupid ;o
[21:44:18] <DIFTOW>	oh god this makes no sense
[21:44:39] <Dantman|afk>	Nope... that's the way it's supposed to be... index.php is the main entrypoint, unless you're under the non-standard configuration with php5
[21:44:39] <Skizzerz>	index.php5 is just a shell for index.php on hosts that have both PHP 4 and PHP 5 so that it forces PHP 5 to be used
[21:44:52] <DIFTOW>	ok
[21:44:58] <Dantman>	You should use a rewrite if you need the .php5 used
[21:45:15] <Dantman>	For the most part you could just rewrite any .php file into .php5
[21:46:21] <DIFTOW>	omg
[21:46:37] <DIFTOW>	why is it set up that way, how fuckin stupid
[21:46:44] <Skizzerz>	please watch your language
[21:46:49] <DIFTOW>	so i renamed the index.php to .php5, and got rid of the other file
[21:46:55] <DIFTOW>	and now if i go to /w/ it works
[21:47:21] <Skizzerz>	just make sure that $wgScriptExtension is '.php5' so you don't get any issues editing, etc
[21:47:22] <DIFTOW>	but for every file that is php.. there is one of these "rewrite" or w/e you call them
[21:47:52] <DIFTOW>	i bet short urls will work now :P
[21:47:55] <DIFTOW>	watch
[21:48:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Whitelist ISO/IEC 26300 (OpenDocument) file format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2089  +comment (10cormaggio)
[21:50:10] <DIFTOW>	http://jurassicparkmod.com/wiki/Main_Page
[21:50:18] <DIFTOW>	thats working
[21:50:27] <DIFTOW>	but its weird. the url in the browser reverts back to
[21:50:35] <DIFTOW>	http://jurassicparkmod.com/w/index.php5?title=Main_Page
[21:51:45] <DIFTOW>	the htaccess is causing just going to jurassicparkmod.com, to take you to the wiki
[21:51:50] <DIFTOW>	which i didnt actually want
[21:52:10] <alnokta>	Simetrical, what do you think? http://alnokta.arablug.org/maincss.patch
[21:54:00] <Simetrical>	alnokta, better to intersperse them, maybe, using .ltr as well, so that they're more noticeable and not stuck at the end.  Also so you don't have to repeat so much to override stuff.
[21:54:09] <DIFTOW>	this htaccess file in my root directory is blocking my splash page
[21:54:16] <DIFTOW>	and directing from the root folder to the /w/ folder
[21:54:19] <DIFTOW>	wtf
[21:54:28] <Simetrical>	alnokta, and *MAKE SURE TO TEST THIS* on various combinations of wiki and user interface directionality.  Because I don't recall exactly when .rtl is triggered (content or user lang?).
[21:54:54] <DIFTOW>	what a hassle
[21:55:05] <alnokta>	Simetrical, http://alnokta.arablug.org/miscwiki/index.php?title=%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%A6%D9%85%D8%A9_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%AA_%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%B1%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%A9
[21:55:57] <alnokta>	Simetrical, i didn't make the code, AhmadSherif did 
[21:57:14] <Jack_Phoenix>	Dantman, sent the Finnish i18n patch to your email along with a couple of suggestions & questions - have fun :)
[21:57:35] <DIFTOW>	how can i make it
[21:57:41] <DIFTOW>	so that this htaccess is not in the root folder?
[21:57:47] <DIFTOW>	because it sucks
[21:58:43] <DIFTOW>	it causes my domain url
[21:58:44] <Dantman>	:/ What did I say about video services... After
[21:58:49] <DIFTOW>	to go straight to wiki
[21:59:11] <DIFTOW>	and i dont want that
[22:00:39] <Simetrical>	DIFTOW, er, why can't you move it?
[22:00:50] <alnokta>	Simetrical, is that the correct behaviour? http://alnokta.arablug.org/chemistrywiki/en/index.php?title=Test
[22:00:58] <Simetrical>	alnokta, bleh, I don't know.
[22:01:12] <DIFTOW>	move what?
[22:01:34] <MinuteElectron>	alnokta: sure, why not?
[22:02:00] <DIFTOW>	yeah you know what
[22:02:06] <DIFTOW>	i dont think i care about short urls anymore
[22:02:09] <DIFTOW>	i just dont give a f
[22:02:35] <DIFTOW>	i already have to heavily mod the skin so that it doesnt look like wikipedia
[22:02:43] <alnokta>	MinuteElectron, checking on unedited wiki to make sure
[22:02:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Deleted tlh.wikt blocks SUL process - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14300  (10spacebirdy)
[22:03:01] <DIFTOW>	apparently mediawikis complications are too great for its skilled users
[22:03:20] <DIFTOW>	so ill conclude that there is nothing further you are capable of providing in helpful information in reference to short urls
[22:03:47] <DIFTOW>	the definitive answer to short urls is thus the wiki page on mediawikis site, and if it is obsolete than any solution is probably non existant
[22:04:15] <Simetrical>	Most users are able to set up their wiki without any problem.
[22:04:16] <DIFTOW>	my wiki atleast loads if i access the /w/ directory, which is good enough for me.
[22:04:20] <Simetrical>	URL rewrites are admittedly trickier.
[22:04:42] <Simetrical>	That isn't something we can wholly fix, since it's in large part the web server's problem.
[22:04:53] <Dantman>	Jack_Phoenix: I added the finish, but you're likely going to need to update it later...
[22:04:55] <Simetrical>	A 404 handler might be more reliable.  I've been thinking of writing one.
[22:05:09] <alnokta>	Simetrical, exact behaviour, i will commit that if there is no objections? http://alnokta.arablug.org/ksd/en/index.php?title=Test 
[22:05:12] <DIFTOW>	well, im done worrying about it.. it looks ugly, ahats about it
[22:05:16] <Jack_Phoenix>	Dantman: ok, thanks (and it's with two n's...heh ;-)
[22:05:17] <DIFTOW>	thats*
[22:05:22] <DIFTOW>	it doesnt effect the usage of the wiki
[22:05:50] <Simetrical>	alnokta, well, best to have RTL wiki users commit RTL-related stuff, probably.  :)
[22:05:53] <DIFTOW>	Does anyone have the skin "MonoCMS"?
[22:06:18] <Simetrical>	I barely ever use RTL wikis, so don't ask me.  Talk to Rotem or Huji or someone, maybe.
[22:06:32] <DIFTOW>	Apparently the authors websites were shut down. She must be doing illegal things
[22:06:38] <alnokta>	i will annoy huji if i see him :)
[22:06:50] <DIFTOW>	but anyways, her skin or him, if its a him with a female name
[22:06:59] <DIFTOW>	Its skin, MonoCMS
[22:07:01] <Simetrical>	DIFTOW, most of the people giving help here are developers, not users.  Mostly this isn't a great place to ask about custom stuff not maintained in the official repo, although you're welcome to try.
[22:07:05] <DIFTOW>	Is perfect
[22:07:13] <Simetrical>	mwusers.com might be better, I dunno.
[22:07:56] <DIFTOW>	Does anyone know of a skin that has a full header for a banner. ;p
[22:08:04] <DIFTOW>	like my site jurassicparkmod.com/site/english
[22:09:43] <DIFTOW>	The skin im trying to find looks like this
[22:09:44] <DIFTOW>	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/meta/6/67/MonoCMS1.gif
[22:13:38] <CIA-51>	03alnokta * r35574 10/trunk/phase3/skins/monobook/ (main.css rtl.css): Enable external link icon again on RTL wikis after correcting its behavior. Correct the other link icons too (by mirroring its LTR code).
[22:15:32] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Email confirmation date resets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14308  +comment (10tstarling)
[22:16:03] <Xiong>	will somebody please send me about $1000 so i can buy a real computer?
[22:16:04] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  You do not get logged out on the wiki you have logged in if you log out at other project - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14301  (10tstarling)
[22:16:20] <Xiong>	i'm tired of crashing
[22:17:55] <CIA-51>	03aaron * r35575 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/OldReviewedPages_body.php: * Make css slightly more consistent, remove extra checks
[22:18:11] <DIFTOW>	of all the skins 
[22:18:14] <DIFTOW>	the one i need
[22:18:18] <DIFTOW>	is on a site that expire
[22:18:21] <DIFTOW>	d*
[22:18:48] <DIFTOW>	and this "Lhridley" has no emails or IMs that i can find
[22:24:20] <josch>	is now somebody there that
[22:24:36] <josch>	can help me with my xhtml/tidy problem?
[22:25:10] <Simetrical>	alnokta, why is it 13px instead of 12px?
[22:25:16] <Simetrical>	Oh, wiat.
[22:25:17] <Simetrical>	wait.
[22:25:20] <Simetrical>	They're different widths, sorry.
[22:25:53] <tekmosis>	josch, you should just say what it is you need help with rather than asking if someone can help you (: if someone knows they'll interject with a reply
[22:26:16] <josch>	tekmosis, i explained it a few hours ago
[22:26:21] <josch>	but here again:
[22:26:34] <josch>	i have a local wikipedia mirror and my problem is
[22:26:44] <josch>	that some pages wont render as correct xhtml
[22:26:56] <josch>	for example there are too many closing tags for a table
[22:27:14] <josch>	i used $wgUseTidy = true but that didnt fix it
[22:28:12] <josch>	when i tried $wgAlwaysUseTidy it got proper xhtml but destroyed my table by escaping the < and > chars so that the table html gets presented to the user
[22:28:40] <josch>	i had a look at the wikipedia config here http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/CommonSettings.php.html
[22:28:50] <josch>	but they also only use $wgUseTidy
[22:29:15] <josch>	and surprisingly when i open the exact same version of the article on the net as i have it locally
[22:29:23] <josch>	it gets rendered as i expect it to
[22:29:53] <josch>	now i need to know what i am missing to get proper xhtml for my dump?
[22:33:17] <tekmosis>	I'm not familiar with what wikipedia has done; are they using a non customized, base install of medaiwiki? It sounds like they've taken off a htmlspecialchars() somewhere (possibly in their skin template). I had to do something similar for personal urls.
[22:35:15] <josch>	i just wonder why the exact same wikitext (i checked with diff) is obviously rendered differently on my local machine and in the net
[22:35:26] <josch>	it would even suffice to have someone to ask
[22:35:49] <josch>	but as far as i see the situation just nobody knows how this stuff works
[22:35:53] *tekmosis 	looks a brion ;D
[22:37:27] <Simetrical>	tekmosis, josch, Wikipedia is using a number of extensions and non-default config options.
[22:37:54] <Simetrical>	josch, what version are you using?
[22:37:59] <josch>	svn
[22:38:11] <Simetrical>	Hmm, not aware of anything that could cause your problem.
[22:38:13] <tekmosis>	If you're seeing differences between your local machine and another server (be it accessable to the net or a second local server) it could be different settings in Apache/PHP, ie: magic quotes being turned off on one and on, on another
[22:38:31] <Simetrical>	Magic quotes make no difference.
[22:38:46] <josch>	i enabled all extensions i deemed useful
[22:38:46] <Simetrical>	We reverse their effect if they're on for some godforsaken reason.
[22:39:09] <josch>	and you can also view some of wikipedia's mediawiki config from the net
[22:39:25] <josch>	i just dont rly know where to search because
[22:39:43] <josch>	i though htmltidy would be the only requirement for correct xhtml
[22:40:10] <tekmosis>	Simetrical, nicely done :P good to know that bit of info
[22:43:36] <josch>	would visiting another channel help?
[22:43:39] <Simetrical>	tekmosis, every major PHP project is forced to do that.
[22:43:50] <Simetrical>	josch, no, no other channel to visit, really.
[22:43:56] <josch>	:/
[22:44:54] <josch>	sry but i dont want to be an annoyance with a problem that nobody can solve
[22:45:24] <CIA-51>	03brion * r35576 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/ForeignDBViaLBRepo.php: 
[22:45:24] <CIA-51>	Hack around borkage with findFiles() on ForeignDBViaLBRepo by copying newFileFromRow() from ForeignDBRepo.
[22:45:24] <CIA-51>	Probably this is all wrong, and both classes should be ripped out a bit and told to use the defined factory functions?
[22:47:20] <LA2>	hi folks. The Aramaic version (arc.wikipedia) of Mediawiki has some problems with RTL writing being messed up on RecentChanges. Apparently Arabic (ar.wikipedia) and Farsi (fa.wikipedia) does it right. So adding ?uselang=ar to the URL is a workaround.
[22:48:01] <DIFTOW>	how do i purge templates in my wiki
[22:48:03] <LA2>	You can look at http://arc.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?uselang=ar  and then you remove the ?uselang=ar
[22:48:04] <DIFTOW>	cause this is a mess 
[22:48:15] <DIFTOW>	i was trying to make wikipedias crap work
[22:48:20] <DIFTOW>	and it is just a confusing mess
[22:48:53] <Mike_lifeguard>	DIFTOW: what do you mean "purge" -- do you want to delete them?
[22:49:00] <LA2>	DIFTOW, you have your own installation, right? You need some background worker thread that updates the templates. On a small wiki it should happen real fast.
[22:49:24] <DIFTOW>	?
[22:49:26] <DIFTOW>	http://jurassicparkmod.com/w/index.php5?title=Template:Infobox_Book
[22:49:30] <DIFTOW>	i added this template from wikipedia
[22:49:35] <DIFTOW>	and look, its screwed man :O
[22:49:41] <DIFTOW>	and yes, purge as in delete
[22:49:44] <tekmosis>	Simetrical, do you have any insight on wiki families and the most scalable method with the database setups? Two methods I've seen mentioned on Manual:Wiki_family uses individual db's or one db with table prefixes. With 100 wikis 100db's isn't too appealing and one db with 100xtables~n isn't as well
[22:49:45] <LA2>	in what way is it screwed?
[22:49:50] <DIFTOW>	look at it
[22:49:53] <DIFTOW>	#if:|{{#if:|}}| {{#if:|}} }} }}{{#if:|| {{#if:|{{#if:|}}| {{#if:|}} }} }}{{#if:|| {{#if:|{{#if:|}}| {{#if:|}} }} }}{{#if:|| {{#if:|{{#if:|}}| {{#if:|}} }} }}{{#if:|| {{#if:|{{#if:|}}| {{#if:|}} }} }}{{#if:|| {{#if:|{{#if:|}}| {{#if:|}} }} }}{{#if:|| {{#if:|{{#if:|}}| {{#if:|}} }} }}{{#if:|| {{#if:|{{#if:|}}| {{#if:|}} }} }}{{#if:|| {{#if:|{{#if:|}}| {{#if:|}} }} }}{{#if:|| {{#if:|{{#if:|}}| {{#if:|}} }} }}{{#if:|| {{#if:|{{#if:|}}| {{
[22:49:58] <DIFTOW>	WTF is that crap?
[22:50:00] <LA2>	lol
[22:50:05] <LA2>	it's a programming language
[22:50:05] <Mike_lifeguard>	DIFTOW: We can see it, no need to copy-paste
[22:50:17] <alnokta>	oh many ifs
[22:50:25] <Simetrical>	tekmosis, what's wrong with 100 DB's?  Wikimedia has probably close to a thousand now.
[22:50:25] <Mike_lifeguard>	you need to install parserfunctions
[22:50:26] <DIFTOW>	too many
[22:50:37] <Mike_lifeguard>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ParserFunctions
[22:50:37] <DIFTOW>	meh
[22:50:43] <DIFTOW>	all i want to do is get an info box
[22:50:46] <DIFTOW>	like in wikipedia
[22:50:50] <DIFTOW>	thats it lol
[22:50:59] <LA2>	you keep on knocking, but you can't come in
[22:51:26] <TimStarling>	DIFTOW: you can use Special:ExpandTemplates on wikipedia to get rid of all the #if stuff
[22:54:08] <CIA-51>	03catrope * r35577 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuthHooks.php: E_WARN: Passing something that might not be an array to in_array()
[22:56:40] <CIA-51>	03brion * r35578 10/trunk/phase3/skins/monobook/ (main.css rtl.css): 
[22:56:40] <CIA-51>	reverting r35574 for the moment...
[22:56:40] <CIA-51>	* adds a whopping 3kb to main.css, most of which seems to be duplicated code
[22:56:40] <CIA-51>	* appears to be applying RTL-specific styles to general classes like .link-mailto
[22:59:02] <Majorly>	http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2008-May/027458.html lol wrong list?
[22:59:41] <CIA-51>	03kim * r35579 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/includes/api/ApiWikiData.php: add collection list
[23:00:01] <DIFTOW>	oh jesus man
[23:00:13] <DIFTOW>	how does this expand templates work because
[23:00:15] <DIFTOW>	i used it
[23:00:19] <DIFTOW>	and i still have major problems
[23:00:33] <CIA-51>	03tstarling * r35580 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuthHooks.php: A couple more reasons not to disable local cookies
[23:00:35] <DIFTOW>	http://jurassicparkmod.com/w/index.php5?title=Jurassic_Park
[23:00:40] <DIFTOW>	should be like this
[23:00:47] <DIFTOW>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurassic_Park
[23:00:50] <DIFTOW>	without the images
[23:07:45] <alnokta>	brion, a pointer on how to avoid duplicating the code?
[23:12:09] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Incomplete RTL handling in Aramaic (arc) Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14339 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (lars)
[23:12:25] <LA2>	that was me submitting bug report 14339
[23:12:43] <alnokta>	hi LA2 
[23:12:48] <LA2>	hi
[23:13:17] <LA2>	i tried to register for Wikimania today, but I failed to reach the payment form
[23:14:22] <alnokta>	did you ask on #wikimania?
[23:14:43] <LA2>	yes, I asked
[23:15:05] <LA2>	but only iffietsanders was there
[23:16:26] <CIA-51>	03aaron * r35581 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.php flaggedrevs.css): CSS color tweak
[23:17:59] <CIA-51>	03river * r35582 10/trunk/tools/smf/ (fisheye.xml method-fisheye method-roller roller.xml): 
[23:17:59] <CIA-51>	- fisheye method is child type, not transient
[23:17:59] <CIA-51>	- add manifest for Apache Roller
[23:18:05] <alnokta>	LA2, send a message to registration at wikimedia.org then 
[23:19:38] <alnokta>	btw, arcwiki looks fine to me, though lacking proper localization 
[23:21:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  password on automatic created accounts does not work after sul deletion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14330  +comment (10kalathalann)
[23:21:37] <LA2>	alnokta, what browser do you use?
[23:22:06] <alnokta>	LA2, ff3 some nightly build
[23:25:23] <Oberoten>	Hola. 
[23:30:32] <LA2>	alnokta, have you got any idea where the problem with arc.wiki should be addressed? In Mediawiki software, in localization at betawiki, or in local installation messages?
[23:31:55] <Splarka>	LA2: watching -tech?
[23:37:10] <alnokta>	Splarka, whats happening there?
[23:42:20] <fxcp>	hi folks. which is the most advanced mediawiki skin? i need a clear skin looking really nice.
[23:44:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Closure of several Wikimedia projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13967  (10dotkorg)
[23:44:35] <alnokta>	fxcp, you already have it, monobook
[23:45:31] <fxcp>	alnokta: hm, i've read something about fratman but cannot find a recent version of it. i dont really like the monobook look
[23:45:43] <Dantman>	What about modern?
[23:48:15] <flyingparchment>	what does 'most advanced' skin mean?
[23:48:25] <brion>	all mediawiki skins are bad :D
[23:48:36] <Dantman>	^_^ I can agree on that one
[23:48:38] <flyingparchment>	yeah, we need a proper web 2.0 skin
[23:48:47] <Dantman>	Especially the ones which aren't part of core
[23:48:52] <Splarka>	most advanced != clean != looking really nice
[23:48:55] <Mike_lifeguard>	"web 2.0" 9_9
[23:49:11] <Dantman>	All those are normally missing fairly important features
[23:49:11] <flyingparchment>	you know, with shading and not having borders and shit
[23:49:36] <Dantman>	^_^ I did have a nice experiment which used a fair bit of fancy JS
[23:49:43] <Splarka>	wait for Web 2.1
[23:49:44] <flyingparchment>	but not like wikia's, that's confusing and lame
[23:49:45] <Mike_lifeguard>	I know what you mean, but using the words "web 2.0" makes me snicker ;)
[23:50:07] <Dantman>	I was even partway to a nice animated login bar...
[23:50:19] <flyingparchment>	mike: that's why i use it ;)
[23:50:40] <alnokta>	brion, alnokta> brion, a pointer on how to avoid duplicating the code [in main.css for rtl]?
[23:51:09] <Mike_lifeguard>	You're forgiven as long as you're being ironic :DD
[23:51:20] <DIFTOW>	This is a mess
[23:51:29] <DIFTOW>	How do I remove ALL the templates ive added
[23:51:53] <Mike_lifeguard>	"remove" == "delete"?
[23:51:58] <alnokta>	nuke yourself :P
[23:52:11] <DIFTOW>	YES
[23:52:14] <DIFTOW>	DELETE
[23:52:28] <DIFTOW>	Hold on, let me elaborate
[23:52:32] <Mike_lifeguard>	batch deletion script, use nuke if one user created them recently, perhaps a script in /maintenance (I don't know what's in there)
[23:52:51] <fxcp>	flyingparchment: most advanced == ajax stuff ;-)
[23:52:57] <DIFTOW>	�verb (used with object), -let�ed, -let�ing.
[23:52:58] <DIFTOW>	to strike out or remove (something written or printed); cancel; erase; expunge
[23:53:04] <Betacommand>	Mike_lifeguard: the Special:Nuke
[23:53:06] <Mike_lifeguard>	or just click the delete tab on each one
[23:53:41] <Betacommand>	Mike_lifeguard: [[Special:Nuke]]
[23:53:52] <Mike_lifeguard>	DIFTOW: no need to be smarmy
[23:54:11] <fxcp>	ok, i've found fratman 1.7. any experiences/recommendations using it as skin?
[23:54:15] <Mike_lifeguard>	I've never actually used Special:Nuke
[23:54:36] <Mike_lifeguard>	someone go make bad pages so I can give it a whirl! ;)
[23:54:39] <DIFTOW>	so mediawiki
[23:55:12] <DIFTOW>	its easy to add stuff to it
[23:55:37] <DIFTOW>	but where it lacks is managing things already added
[23:55:50] <Mike_lifeguard>	you can delete them if you have sysop rights
[23:55:50] <DIFTOW>	there is no control panel for admins
[23:56:02] <Mike_lifeguard>	if you have many, I can provide a javascript to make it easier
[23:56:09] <DIFTOW>	dude
[23:56:17] <DIFTOW>	im having issues with just the basic mediawiki
[23:56:28] <DIFTOW>	nothing is displaying properly
[23:56:33] <DIFTOW>	and all im trying to do is create tables
[23:56:35] <DIFTOW>	TABLES
[23:56:43] <Mike_lifeguard>	I know you are. The easiest thing is to install parserfunctions, which Wikipedia uses to make fancy things
[23:56:49] <DIFTOW>	i can do that easily in PHP and HTML, in mediawiki, its rocket science
[23:57:11] <flyingparchment>	you know you can use HTML table syntax in mediawiki?
[23:57:12] <Mike_lifeguard>	without parserfunctions wikipedia template code is not highly likely to work properly
[23:57:36] <MrZ-man>	and Wikipedia's CSS as well
[23:57:48] <Splarka>	nor with tidy disabled...
[23:57:56] <Splarka>	(though he mentioned enabling it earlier)
[23:58:13] <Mike_lifeguard>	those are not as critical, I think... I have neither on my wiki and things work mostly
[23:58:19] <DanielTahar>	how do I edit the main namespace template?
[23:58:49] <MrZ-man>	and some templates rely on a dozen other templates, that's a huge pain
[23:58:53] <flyingparchment>	DanielTahar: what do you mean by 'main namespace template'?
[23:59:03] <DIFTOW>	i just tried to use html
[23:59:05] <DIFTOW>	that doesnt work
[23:59:21] <DIFTOW>	screw this
[23:59:46] <DIFTOW>	the abomination was deleted from my database and server